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<pubDate>Tue, 6 Sep 2011 08:15:07 PDT</pubDate>
<title>e360's $11 Million Win Against Spamhaus... Now Reduced To Just $3 (Not $3 Million, But Just $3)</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110903/00560215803/e360s-11-million-win-against-spamhaus-now-reduced-to-just-3-not-3-million-just-3.shtml</link>
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<description><![CDATA[ For about five years now, we've been following the bizarre case of email marketer e360 vs. Spamhaus.  As you may know, e360 sued Spamhaus for defamation (and a few other things) for listing e360 as a spammer.  You may have heard about e360 winning over $11 million dollars.  You may have also heard about it asking for $135 million.  And then there was a greatly reduced award of $27,000.  Except now, the court has <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2011/09/seventh_circuit_2.htm" target="_blank">reduced the award down to $3</a>.  Yes, <b>three</b> whole dollars.  It would appear that a court was not particularly impressed with e360.  Let's review the history.
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 The whole lawsuit was silly, because Spamhaus' spam list is an opinion, not a factual statement.  However, being a UK organization, Spamhaus (after initially engaging) decided to simply ignore the US judicial process, which resulted in the court <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20060915/022826.shtml">granting a default judgment for over $11 million</a> to e360.  e360 then tried to force Spamhaus to shut down on the basis of that ruling, but the effort <a rhef="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20061019/190216.shtml">was rejected</a>.
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Around this time, Spamhaus decided to get back involved, asking for the default judgment to be set aside.  The appeals court refused to do that, but did send the ruling back to the district court to figure out a way to more accurately determine damages.  That resulted in the following, as summarized by Venkat Balasubramani at the link above:
<blockquote><i>
Back at the district court, e360 was left with the task of proving up its damages, but it suffered a slew of discovery foibles. e360's principal failed to appear for his deposition as scheduled and failed to respond to Spamhaus's interrogatory requests. Spamhaus moved to dismiss on the basis of e360's discovery failures, and the trial court gave e360 another opportunity to address the discovery issues. e360 supplemented its previous responses but added a slew of new witnesses. It also increased its damages estimate from $11.7 million to a "whopping $135 million." It also sought to reopen discovery. The trial court said no dice and struck the new witnesses listed by e360 and struck e360's requested damage award to the extent it exceeded the initial $11.7 million request.
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The court then reduced the award from $11 million <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100616/0137529843.shtml">down to $27,002</a>.  That didn't go over well with either party, and both appealed.  Things definitely looked bad for e360 from the beginning of the appeal, with the respected Judge Posner <a href="http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/06/appeals-judges-berate-spammer-for-ridiculous-litigation.ars" target="_blank">positively berating e360's damages claims</a>:
<blockquote><i>
"I have never seen such an incompetent presentation of a damages case," Posner said. "It's not only incompetent, it's grotesque. You've got damages jumping around from $11 million to $130 million to $122 million to $33 million. In fact, the damages are probably zero."
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That certainly provided a hint of what was to come.  The award was reduced from the $27,002, down to a mere $3.  Honestly, $3 seems even more mocking than if the court had taken it down to $0.  The ruling details e360's incompetence in handling this lawsuit, especially the damages claims, which appear to have been made up entirely by the guy who runs e360 using a formula he himself created.  It then rejects even the $27,000, saying that even damages of that amount do not appear to be supported by the evidence, and so concludes that the only reasonable award is a "nominal" award of $1 for each of the three charges, making the grand total $3.  The judge even points out that e360's own conduct in the case resulted in "snatch[ing] defeat from the jaws of certain victory."
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By failing to comply with its basic discovery obligations, a party can snatch defeat from the jaws of certain victory. After our earlier remand, all e360 needed to do was provide a reasonable estimate of the harm it suffered from Spamhaus&rsquo;s conduct. Rather than do so, however, e360 engaged in a pattern of delay that ultimately cost it the testimony of all but one witness with any personal knowledge of its damages. That lone witness lost all credibility when he painted a wildly unrealistic picture of e360&rsquo;s losses. Having squandered its opportunity to present its case, e360 must content itself with nominal damages on each of its claims, and nothing more. We VACATE the judgment of the district court and REMAND this matter with instructions to enter judgment for the plaintiffs in the amount of three dollars.
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Priceless.  Or, well, three bucks.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110903/00560215803/e360s-11-million-win-against-spamhaus-now-reduced-to-just-3-not-3-million-just-3.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110903/00560215803/e360s-11-million-win-against-spamhaus-now-reduced-to-just-3-not-3-million-just-3.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110903/00560215803/e360s-11-million-win-against-spamhaus-now-reduced-to-just-3-not-3-million-just-3.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Wed, 4 Aug 2010 14:26:08 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Spamhaus Asks Court To Dump Even The $27,000 Award To Spammer</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Back in June we wrote about how the <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20060915/022826.shtml">years-long</a> lawsuit between "email marketing" (i.e., "spam") company e360 and anti-spam group Spamhaus concluded with a judge <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100616/0137529843.shtml">reducing an $11 million award down to just $27,000</a> for e360.  If you don't recall, e360 sued Spamhaus for naming it on its top spammers list -- despite an awful lot of evidence that e360 does, in fact, engage in spam.  Spamhaus, which is based in the UK, ignored the proceedings, which is why it got hit with the $11 million award.  While, e360 can't be happy about the lower award (one has to imagine its legal costs were much greater than that), $27,000 is still a lot of money for an operation like Spamhaus -- especially when the organization was just stating an opinion -- and one that it backed up with plenty of evidence.
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So now, <a href="http://twitter.com/InternetLaw/statuses/19969254289" target="_blank">Michael Scott</a> points us to the news that Spamhaus <a href="http://www.circleid.com/posts/20100729_spamhaus_motion_to_reconsider/" target="_blank">has filed a motion to reconsider even the $27,000 award</a>, noting that it believes there are some errors in determining the $27,000 number. The filing notes that such motions are rarely successful, but lays out the reasons why it makes sense in this case.  Specifically, the method for calculating the award was not one of the methods that e360 asked for, meaning Spamhaus had no chance to point out problems with the methodology.  Spamhaus also makes it clear that if the court does not reconsider the $27,000, it will likely appeal the case back up to an appeals court.  I can understand why Spamhaus is doing this, but it could backfire. I would imagine that asking the court to reconsider could potentially lead to a judge reconsidering in the other direction as well...<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100802/02071910447.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100802/02071910447.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100802/02071910447.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:12:13 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Spammer's $11 Million Win Against Anti-Spammer Spamhaus, Reduced To $27,000</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Many years back, an "email marketing" company called e360 Insight got upset that the anti-spam advocacy group Spamhaus included e360 on its list of biggest spammers -- a list that many service providers used for spam filtering.  So, it sued claiming defamation.  What followed was a bit silly, as Spamhaus (based in the UK) initially responded, but then started ignoring the lawsuit, claiming that a US court meant nothing to the UK-based operation.  Because of that, a court awarded a default judgment to e360, and simply took its word on how much "damage" being on the list had caused.  The end result?  An award of <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20060915/022826.shtml">$11 million</a> for simply putting e360 on a list of spammers.
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Spamhaus initially ignored the whole thing, again claiming US courts had no jurisdiction over it.  However, after e360 sought an injunction to get Spamhaus shut down for failure to pay, Spamhaus got involved.  Thankfully, a judge <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20061019/190216.shtml">refused to shut down</a> Spamhaus, and while an appeal didn't buy many of Spamhaus' arguments, it did <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070903/163226.shtml">throw out the $11 million award</a>, and send it back to the lower court to recalculate the damages.
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So, now, four years after the initial $11 million ruling, the court has <a href="http://blog.ericgoldman.org/archives/2010/06/e360_prevails_a_1.htm" target="_blank">reduced the damages award to $27,002</a>.  Quite a difference, huh?  I would have to guess that e360's legal bills cost a hell of a lot more than $27k.  It turns out that there were a bunch of problems for e360, and once it had to actually <i>prove</i> how much damage being on the list had done, suddenly it wasn't so interested in giving a straight answer or, at times, answering at all.  As Venkat Balasubramani notes:
<blockquote><i>
 Despite litigating the case vigorously up to this point, when it came to damages, e360 seemed to muster a lot less energy. According to the court, e360 was "slow to provide information requested by Spamhaus . . . [and] missed several [d]eadlines." I'll spare readers a detailed discussion on damages, but the court's take can be summed up as follows:
<blockquote>
    The unreliability of [e360's] approaches is unmistakably demonstrated by the profound differences in claimed damages profferred at various points during these proceedings. Finally, it strains credulity that a company that made only a fraction of the profits [e360] asks for over the course of its five-year lifespan would have garnered profits in the amounts [e360] set out in [its] testimony or documentary evidence. The profit and loss statement [e360 provided] sets out the company's overall profits at $332,000. . . . .
<br /><br />
    At the time of default judgment, the damages claimed were $11,715,000. During discovery, Exhibit 5 was proffered reflecting damages of $135,173,577. At trial, proffered Exhibit 5(a) showed damages of $122,271,346. During final argument, the claimed amount was $30,000,000.
</blockquote></i></blockquote>
Yeah, if you've made a total of $332,000 in profits over the course of five years, perhaps don't claim $11 million in damages just because some company (most likely accurately) put you on a list of spammers.
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As for that big question of whether or not the company was involved in spamming.  Well, others have certainly thought so.  In the past, we've noted that the company had been <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070326/004819.shtml">sued for violating CAN SPAM</a>, and in another lawsuit e360 filed (against Comcast for filtering its spam), the judge stated pretty clearly that e360 <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080411/150256827.shtml">fit the description</a> of a spammer.  On top of that, in the blog post above, Venkat points out that, just in going through this lawsuit, e360 appears to have now put on public record an awful lot of evidence that its activities fall under the definition of what most people would consider spam:
<blockquote><i>
Ironically, through litigating this dispute, e360 caused to be memorialized in a court order, facts about its email practices (and the email marketing industry in general) that I'm guessing it would prefer not be in the public eye. Two facts jumped out at me from the order. First, e360 sent out 6.6 billion (!) emails through the course of its five year existence. Second, there were some familiar faces among the list of its customers: SmartBargains and Optinbig. 
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<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 17:10:22 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Court Tells Spammer That It's Not Illegal For An ISP To Filter Its Emails</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ If the name e360 sounds familiar to you, it may be because it was the company that <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20060915/022826.shtml">sued</a> Spamhaus for including it in its spam filter list.  e360 insists it's not a spammer and anyone filtering its messages is somehow infringing on its rights.  Of course, there seems to be ample evidence that e360 has been spamming, and the company has been <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070326/004819.shtml">sued directly</a> as well.  e360's latest lawsuit was against Comcast for filtering its emails, but as <a href="http://it.slashdot.org/it/08/04/11/1511255.shtml">Slashdot</a> lets us know, <a href="http://www.spamsuite.com.nyud.net/index.php?q=node/387" target="_new">a judge has tossed that suit out of court</a> while also declaring in no uncertain terms that e360 is a spammer.
<blockquote>
Plaintiff e360Insight, LLC is a marketer. It refers to itself as an Internet marketing company. Some, perhaps even a majority of people in this country, would call it a spammer.
</blockquote>
The key in this case was that the judge relied on section 230 of the CDA -- a section of the law that we often talk about for shielding service providers against the actions of its users.  In this case, it's a different part of section 230, which also shields ISPs from liability for "good faith" efforts to block objectionable content -- and then the court says that it's clear that Congress and the courts have determined that spam is objectionable content.
<br /><br />
This isn't the first time we've seen cases like this.  A few years back a series of courts all <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20050803/164233.shtml">ruled against</a> a spam company which claimed that it had followed the "rules" in CAN SPAM, so filtering its spam was illegal.  It's nice to see the courts recognize that's simply not true.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080411/150256827.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080411/150256827.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080411/150256827.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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