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<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:15:00 PST</pubDate>
<title>French Court Forcing Google To Remove Word 'Scam' From Google Suggest</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Last year we wrote about two contradictory rulings in France involving lawsuits by companies <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090724/0407145647.shtml">upset about how Google Suggest works</a>.  As you probably know, as you type a query into Google, it tries to "suggest" the rest of the query, based on common searches beginning with what you typed.  This is all done automatically and is an algorithmic function of what people are actually searching on.  The "problem" was that in one case, people were searching for the name of a company, Centre National Prive de Formation a Distance (CNFDI), and one of the most popular searches, meaning one of the suggested searches, was to follow CNFDI with "arnaque," which means "scam."  In one case, from a company called Direct Energie, the court ruled that it was Google's fault -- and oddly blamed the fact that the results were not alphabetical to suggest Google was at fault.  The better ruling came in the CNFDI case where the court pointed out that search engines are "important tools for the free circulation of ideas and information," and the fact that many people were questioning whether CNFDI was a scam was, in fact, important and potentially useful information, and thus not libelous by itself.  It also said that the burden on free speech would be too great if Google were forced to remove the suggestion.
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So much for that ruling.  Reader Mike Read has sent in the news that an appeals court <a href="http://www.bigmouthmedia.com/live/articles/google-scam-suggestion-condemned-by-high-court.asp/6680/" target="_blank">has reversed the CNFDI ruling</a> and found Google liable.  Its reasoning is that Google lets people alert the company to "offensive" terms in Google suggest, and it believes that "scam" is an offensive term.  I have to question that logic.  If people are legitimately concerned that there are scams going on, why shouldn't that be expressed?<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100113/0914057731.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100113/0914057731.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100113/0914057731.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<slash:department>public-interest?</slash:department>
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<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 10:29:49 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Two Separate Rulings In France Split Over Whether Google's Suggestion Algorithm Can Be Libelous</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Reader Yann alerts us to an interesting set of lawsuits and decisions in France, both concerning the Google Suggest feature.  One case involved a company named <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pcinpact.com%2Factu%2Fnews%2F51967-google-suggest-direct-energie-suggestion.htm&#038;sl=fr&#038;tl=en&#038;hl=en&#038;ie=UTF-8" target="_new">Direct Energie</a> and the other with a company named <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pcinpact.com%2Factu%2Fnews%2F52001-cnfdi-google-suggest-arnaque-injure.htm&#038;sl=fr&#038;tl=en&#038;hl=en&#038;ie=UTF-8" target="_new">CNFDI</a> (both links to the Google translation of the news).
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In both cases, the companies were upset that when people started searching on their company names, the first suggestion was their company name followed by the word "arnaque," which means "scam."  Of course, as you probably know, Google Suggest works by finding the most common searches on what you've typed and letting you know.  So, all this really meant was that an awful lot of people were doing searches questioning whether or not these two companies were scams.  But, is Google liable for its algorithm <i>accurately</i> suggesting the most common searches associated with those company names?  It appears the courts split on that decision (it's worth noting that there was one major difference between the lawsuits: Direct Energie sued under civil code, while CNFDI sued for libel -- which apparently makes it a criminal case in France.
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With Direct Energie, the judge seemed to not really understand Google Suggest or how it worked, declaring that no algorithm could justify the prejudice caused by Google.  He then got confused, saying that it was clearly Google's fault because the search on "direct energie arnaque" was not the first alphabetically in the list, nor did it have the highest number of results.  Despite it being explained by Google, the judge seems to have totally ignored the reason why it was at the top of the list (the number of people searching for it).  Because of this, he said it's no limit on free speech to force Google to change the results, and ordered Google to do so (though, did not allow for any damages to be awarded).  This seems to get the basic facts backwards, and it seems quite ridiculous to find Google guilty of such a charge when all its actually doing is <i>accurately</i> counting up what people are legitimately searching for.
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The CNFDI ruling, seems much more reasonable.  There was one oddity (though it's probably got more to do with French law than with the judge), and that is that the judge ruled that Google <i>could</i> be liable for libel because the company had been informed by CNFDI of the issue, thereby removing any safe harbors.  In the US, Section 230 safe harbors on libel <i>thankfully</i> do not get waived if you've been informed.  Instead, they take the much more logical position that a third party service provider should never be blamed for actions of its users.  Thus, it would be flat-out ridiculous to blame Google for the phrases people are searching for.  But, even having lost its local "safe harbor" protections, the judge properly recognized that the suggestion came from the algorithm looking at what people were searching for, and noted that the suggestion was based on "a valid observation."  On top of that, he pointed out that search engines are "important tools for the free circulation of ideas and information," and the fact that many people were questioning whether CNFDI was a scam was, in fact, important and potentially useful information, and thus not libelous by itself.  Finally, the court also noted that forcing Google to remove such a suggestion would be too big a burden on free speech and citizens' rights.
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It should be no surprise that I think the second ruling is much more sensible, while the first ruling makes little sense, and appears to have been decided without a full understanding of what Google's Suggest feature is or how it works.  Still, I imagine we'll be seeing similar cases around the world... and hopefully they'll find themselves in front of judges more like the one that dealt with the CNFDI case...<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090724/0407145647.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090724/0407145647.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090724/0407145647.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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