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<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 11:47:55 PDT</pubDate>
<title>NY Company Threatens 800Notes Via UK In Legal Comedy Of Threats &#038; Errors</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ We've recently had our own run-in with a <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100825/02002110771.shtml">ridiculous threat</a> of a libel lawsuit from the UK, in what appeared to be a clear attempt to intimidate us, rather than an action with any serious legal basis.  As we mentioned in that post, thankfully, the US recently passed an important and broad <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100811/00361310577.shtml">anti-libel tourism law</a> that protects US websites against overreaching foreign libel claims that go against US laws, such as Section 230 safe harbors for service providers.
<br /><br />
So, we're always interested in hearing about other similar threats, and here's a doozy that gets more ridiculous the further you read.  It starts off with just such a libel tourism attempt, but then devolves into a true comedy of threats and errors, involving misaddressed threats, ridiculous claims of confidentiality and implied threats of copyright lawsuits on publishing the letters that reveal this comedy of errors.  Make sure you read through the whole thing.
<br /><br />
It starts out with a NY-based company, GDS Publishing, who was apparently upset about the <a href="http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-212-920-8181" target="_blank">complaints about its telemarketing practices</a> found on the website 800notes.com, specifically calling out the NY-based phone number (212 area code) used by GDS.  After GDS complained to Julia Forte, who runs the site, she removed the comments that violated the site's terms of service, but left plenty of the other (non-violating, but still complaining) comments up, which GDS apparently did not appreciate.  It then <a href="http://pubcit.typepad.com/clpblog/2010/10/gds-publishing-provides-a-timely-reminder-of-why-we-needed-the-libel-tourism-law.html" target="_blank">had a UK law firm threaten to sue her in the UK</a> under UK libel laws.  Now, it is true that GDS's parent company is based in the UK, but Julia and 800notes are in the US, and thus protected by Section 230 and the libel tourism law.  And, while it doesn't even matter, given 800notes' status, this was about actions by the subsidiary, which is incorporated in New York, and all of the actions and complaints concerned that NY company (using a NY phone number).
<br /><br />
Already, this seems like a classic case of over-aggressive lawyering, perhaps from someone unaware of the SPEECH Act, or from someone who simply hoped to intimidate an American website into compliance.  However, the story gets even more ridiculous.  First, the lawyer in question, one <a href="http://www.gillhams.com/lawyers/leighellis.cfm" target="_blank">Leigh Ellis</a> of <a href="http://www.gillhams.com/" target="_blank">Gillhams Solicitors LLP</a> in the UK, apparently made a typo when copying the email address of Ms. Forte from the whois page for 800notes, resulting in him sending the initial complaint to a totally different Julia Forte (who happened to be a lawyer) based in NY, rather than the 800notes Julia Forte (who happens to live in North Carolina).  Oops.  
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After the NY lawyer Julia Forte told Ellis of his mistake, rather than recognizing that he made a mistake, Ellis appears to have both emailed the same (wrong) Julia Forte again, <i>and</i> interpreted the email from the NY lawyer Julia Forte to mean that the North Carolina 800notes Julia Forte was denying her association with the site -- even though the NY lawyer Julia Forte <i>told Ellis</i> that he had the wrong email address.  So, instead of correcting the mistake and emailing the correct Julia Forte, he <a href="http://www.citizen.org/documents/GillhamstoSoftlayer.pdf" target="_blank">sent a letter to 800notes' webhost, SoftLayer Technologies</a> (pdf), claiming that the content on 800notes was defamatory, and saying that Forte "has informed us that she is not associated with the Website," and asking SoftLayer to confirm that Ms. Forte really is the account holder, and also demanding that SoftLayer take down the content GDS doesn't like, or face defamation charges itself.
<br /><br />
Ah, the comedy of errors.  Of course, it was the wrong Julia Forte who <i>accurately</i> denied being associated with the website. The correct Julia Forte has no problem standing behind her site.  Thankfully, SoftLayer is well aware of the legal issues involved here, and well aware of Section 230 and the SPEECH Act that protects it, as well as Julia Forte, so it passed along the letters to Forte's lawyer, Paul Levy.  If only the comedy of threats and errors ended there.  But, it did not...
<br /><br />
Levy <a href="http://www.citizen.org/documents/LevyEllis.pdf" target="_blank">responded in great detail to Ellis</a> (pdf), highlighting the specific legal realities of Section 230 and the SPEECH Act, as well as detailing Ellis' own mistakes in emailing the wrong person.  You should read the letter.  It gets better and better as it goes along (or just skip to page 3):
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Comedy of threats and errors over?  Not by a long shot.  After receiving Levy's letter, as well as an email correspondence in which Levy noted plans to publish Ellis's original letter to SoftLayer Technologies, Ellis' firm, Gillhams tried to warn Levy that <a href="http://www.citizen.org/documents/GillhamsCopyrightWarning.pdf" target="_blank">publishing the original letter would be "unlawful"</a> (pdf).  Specifically, the law firm claims that since the original letter said "NOT FOR PUBLICATION" across the top, he had no license to publish it, and since all of their emails have a boilerplate "confidentiality notice" at the bottom, it prevents publication.
<br /><br />
Of course, such things are simply not legally binding, leading Levy to (1) question whether or not Gillhams is charging GDS Publishing by the hour and (2) highlight how Gillhams appears to have misstated its own confidentiality clause <i>and</i> gotten confused over who might hold any copyright (and, thus, license-rights) to the letter in question.  His <a href="http://www.citizen.org/documents/LevyGillhampublishingemails.pdf" target="_blank">response is here</a> (pdf), though I'll restate the relevant paragraphs:
<blockquote><i>
My question about whether you have been charging GDS Publishing by the hour
is relevant because, in the criticism of your conduct that I am drafting for
publication, I am trying to figure out whether your misadventures in trying to send
correspondence to Forte, and your subsequent threats directed to SoftLayer,
reflect only incompetence, or rather reflect an effort to run the meter at your
client's expense. I'd be grateful, therefore, if you would respond to my question.
<br /><br />
Finally, I note your email referring to confidentiality notices that are contained in
your emails. Even if the emails purported to forbid publication, such notices do
not override fair use. Sad to say, however, you have misstated the fine print in
your own emails. I invite you to re-read that text. The disclaimer says that the
emails "may" contain privileged or confidential information, not that they do. I see
nothing in the emails that merits treatment as either privileged or confidential in
any event. Moreover, they instruct the recipients not to disseminate the emails if
they are NOT the intended recipients. By negative implication, these notices tell
the intended recipients that they ARE free to disseminate the emails. Your office
deliberately sent the emails to me, thus effectively giving me permission to
publish them.
<br /><br />
Your letter also states that your "clients" are reserving their rights about the
publication of your letter and emails. However, I see no reason to believe that
your clients own the copyright in your letters. The owner would be you and/or
your firm. If you choose to try to enforce the copyright by raising a claim of
infringement, you will have to do so in your own name.
</i></blockquote>
As Levy notes in his <a href="http://pubcit.typepad.com/clpblog/2010/10/gds-publishing-provides-a-timely-reminder-of-why-we-needed-the-libel-tourism-law.html" target="_blank">blog post</a> on the whole situation: "I invite Ellis to bring suit here in the United States and show us that he is right.  Ellis is also invited to use the comment feature to reply."<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101027/03321211603/ny-company-threatens-800notes-via-uk-in-legal-comedy-of-threats-errors.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101027/03321211603/ny-company-threatens-800notes-via-uk-in-legal-comedy-of-threats-errors.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20101027/03321211603/ny-company-threatens-800notes-via-uk-in-legal-comedy-of-threats-errors.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Mon, 20 Sep 2010 16:52:52 PDT</pubDate>
<title>How Long Until Joan Lunden Disassociates Herself From World Progress Report?</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Earlier this year, we wrote about the company called Vision Media TV, which was <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100122/0236407864.shtml">suing the site 800notes.com</a> after people on that site had written reports about Vision Media TV, questioning its sales techniques. It seems that Vision Media TV would go around contacting organizations, heavily talking up its association with former TV newscaster Hugh Downs, and suggesting (heavily) that the TV broadcast it would put together for the organization contacted would air on "public television."  Of course, to cover some basic "production costs," Vision Media TV just wanted a mere $20,000 to $30,000.
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Investigations into Vision Media TV suggested that the questions raised by people at 800notes were reasonable concerns.  The <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/16/us/16pitch.html?_r=1" target="_blank">NY Times</a> and <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126056182&#038;sc=emaf" target="_blank">NPR</a> have debunked many of the claims from Vision Media TV, noting that PBS had clearly claimed that it has no association with Vision Media and that the promises from the company were questionable at best.  From NPR:
<blockquote><i>
They are promised the shows will be educational in nature and reach an estimated 60 million American households on public television stations across the country.
<br /><br />
But the programs aren't documentaries; they're marketing segments that will cost the firms that are their subjects roughly $25,000 apiece. And the spots, created by Vision Media of Boca Raton, Fla., are likely to receive little airtime, if any, on local PBS member stations.
<br /><br />
"They are selling something that they generally cannot deliver," says Garry Denny, program director of Wisconsin Public Television and a past president of the professional association of programming officials for PBS member stations. "In fact, they are probably not carried by any public television station around the country."
<br /><br />
Officials at PBS and at PBS member stations in California, Colorado, Kentucky, New York, South Carolina and Virginia were all aware of the Hugh Downs spots. Yet not one knew of a concrete instance in which the spots featuring Downs appeared on their stations or those of others. PBS and its member stations say they adhere to guidelines banning marketing programming paid for by subjects of the programs.
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From the NY Times:
<blockquote><i>
 The caller suggests that the production will be shown on public television and major cable news stations. But the initial pitch, foundation representatives said, does not mention that the production would cost the university or foundation $20,000 or more.
<br /><br />
PBS, the national public broadcasting program provider, has had a warning on its Web site for the last three years that it "is not associated with and does not endorse, distribute programming for, review underwriting for or otherwise have any business relationship" with a list of productions companies that includes Vision Media Television.
<br /><br />
Lea Sloan, vice president for communications at PBS, said this week, "PBS has no actual knowledge of carriage of any Vision Media programming by any PBS member station."
</i></blockquote>
In defending 800notes against Vision Media TV's lawsuit, Paul Alan Levy dug up some interesting history on Vision Media TV, such as the fact that it had gone under <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100304/1742408426.shtml">a variety of other names</a>, such as WJMK and United Media -- using other famous personalities including Walter Cronkite and Mike Douglas, both of whom ended up suing the company over being misled.  Somewhere along the way, the company again changed its name to Great America HD.  However, after more press attention, Hugh Downs <a href="http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/04/are_fla_firms_videos_documenta.html?ft=1&#038;f=103943429" target="_blank">disassociated himself with the company</a>, with his representatives saying that his involvement hadn't gone very far, and that Downs was unaware of the company's practices:
<blockquote><i>
On Tuesday, Rick Hersh, Downs' agent, said he had been unaware of Vision Media's practices. "It's not great for Hugh, the way that you portrayed them. We didn't know about some of the stuff you reported."
<br /><br />
But Hersh said Downs' involvement was limited to a single day's shooting of generic introductions to the videos at a television studio in Phoenix two years ago. And Hersh said Downs bore no responsibility for how Vision Media sold the videos to clients or what they contained.
<br /><br />
As Downs' appearance was contractually limited to public television, Hersh said, "We took comfort in relying on public television not to put something on the air that they didn't find legitimate and honest and straightforward."
</i></blockquote>
Thankfully, the lawsuit against 800notes.com was <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100720/16440310295.shtml">dismissed</a>, and the increased press attention, as well as the loss of Downs' support, meant trouble for Great America HD.  However, Levy has continued to monitor the company and now notes that a brand new company, with remarkably similar content on its webpages and remarkably similar claims, <a href="http://pubcit.typepad.com/clpblog/2010/09/has-vision-media-tv-group-assumed-a-new-name-world-progress-report.html" target="_blank">has suddenly popped up under the name "World Progress Report,"</a> but this time the "celebrity" involved is former Good Morning America Host Joan Lunden.  Levy also notes that apparently the folks behind World Progress Report have decided to be <a href="http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-772-237-8518" target="_blank">more proactive</a> on their 800notes.com page, which has numerous posts from people talking up their wonderful experiences with the company, and quickly responding to comments that suggest this is a scam, by saying "there must have been a miscommunication."
<br /><br />
Given all of this, and the history involved, I have to wonder how long it will be until there's some press attention on World Progress Report, and how long until Joan Lunden follows the lead of Downs, Cronkite, Douglas and others, and decides to disassociate herself from the company.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100913/22015810996/how-long-until-joan-lunden-disassociates-herself-from-world-progress-report.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100913/22015810996/how-long-until-joan-lunden-disassociates-herself-from-world-progress-report.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100913/22015810996/how-long-until-joan-lunden-disassociates-herself-from-world-progress-report.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 19:08:57 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Vision Media's Bogus Lawsuit Dismissed; And Much More Attention Focused On Vision Media's Business Practices</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ We've written a few times in the past about the attempt by Vision Media TV to use legal tricks to <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100122/0236407864.shtml">force down critiques</a> of its business practice.  The company, as has been covered in detail <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100422/1626279148.shtml">by the press</a>, tends to focus on charities, suggesting that it will create a news report that may air on "public television" with "Hugh Downs."  But the reality is that they're expecting the organization to pay, and there's no evidence that the content ever gets on TV anywhere.  And Hugh Downs only participates in very, very limited cases.  The company -- or one very much like it, based from the same basic place -- has gotten into legal troubles in the past.  Even though the NY Times and NPR have covered Vision Media's method of doing business, Vision Media has not sued them, even though it  has claimed such articles are defamatory.
<br /><br />
Instead, it sued 800Notes.com, a website that highlights the details of various telemarketers, and claimed that it had tricks to get around the obvious Section 230 safe harbors the site faced.  Thankfully, before the case could get that far, it's been tossed out.  <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/profile.php?u=paulalanlevy">Paul Alan Levy</a> who helped Julia Forte and 800Notes defend against the lawsuit, lets us know that <a href="http://pubcit.typepad.com/clpblog/2010/07/vision-media-suit-over-criticism-on-800notes-dismissed.html" target="_blank">the case has been dismissed on jurisdictional grounds</a> even before the safe harbor questions came into play.
<br /><br />
However, more important is how this is a case study of how badly such a lawsuit can backfire.  The whole point of the lawsuit was to force one small site to hide criticism of Vision Media TV.  But, in the process, all it did was draw a <i>lot</i> more attention to Vision Media's practices.  As Levy notes:
<blockquote><i>
As a result of the litigation, half the hits on <a href="http://www.citizen.org/documents/Vision_Media_TV_Google.pdf">the first page of a Google search for "Vision Media TV"</a> now refer to the litigation and to the accusations against Vision Media.&nbsp; The litigation taught many prospective customers about the anonymous charges made against Vision Media -- that Vision Media promotes its video production services by cold-calling non-profits and deceptively suggesting that it can get them free airtime on public television.&nbsp; An experienced non-profit communications director, Jeff Cronin of the <a href="http://www.cspinet.org/">Center for Science in the Public Interest</a>, detailed the various<a href="http://www.citizen.org/documents/ForteCroninAffidavit.pdf"> tricks Vision Media and associated enterprises</a> had used to try to trick his group into buying its services.&nbsp;&nbsp; 
<br /><br />
Vision Media's counsel made a ham-handed <a href="http://pubcit.typepad.com/clpblog/2010/01/vision-media-requests-injunction-against-blogging-that-casts-it-in-a-negative-light.html">request for a gag order</a>, complaining that public discussion of the lawsuit had become embarrassing and was threatening its relationship with Hugh Downs -- a name that Vision Media sales representatives used as entree to non-profit targets who recall Downs' former broadcast roles with respect.&nbsp;&nbsp; And that attention led to a <a href="http://pubcit.typepad.com/clpblog/2010/04/vision-medias-claims-panned-by-npr-will-hugh-downs-stand-up-for-his-principles.html">story on National Public Radio</a>, embracing the anonymous accusations and reporting more detailed problems, as well as stories in the <a href="http://philanthropy.com/blogPost/Public-Stations-Raise/23322/">Chronicle of Philanthropy</a>.&nbsp; The Better Business Bureau withdrew its favorable rating; the <a href="http://www.bbb.org/south-east-florida/business-reviews/business-services/vision-media-tv-group-in-boca-raton-fl-92021936">rating</a> has since been downgraded to C-, and a representative of Hugh Downs, who had been allowing Vision Media to play on his name and reputation, <a href="http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/04/are_fla_firms_videos_documenta.html?ft=1&#038;f=103943429">publicly announced plans to cut his ties</a> with Vision Media.
<br /><br />
When a company has been attacked online, and believes that it has hard evidence that the attacks are false, it faces hard choices about how to respond to those attacks.&nbsp; What those companies don't need is the blandishments of lawyers who hope to make an easy buck by telling them that they can easily suppress criticism by suing the web sites where that criticism is hosted.&nbsp;&nbsp; 
<br /><br />

As for non-profits, Vision Media has already tried to perpetuate its business by adopting the new name <a href="http://pubcit.typepad.com/clpblog/2010/03/vision-media-tries-to-escape-consequences-of-its-frivolous-defamation-claims.html">Great America HD</a>. &nbsp; Non-profits should be on the lookout for this same operation adopting new sheep's clothing.&nbsp; At one point, Vision Media added the names of several staff members to the litigation.&nbsp; That listing can be found <a href="http://www.citizen.org/documents/Vision_Media_Amended_Complaint.pdf">here</a>.&nbsp;&nbsp; Non-profits who consider doing business with a TV production company employing any of these individuals -- be on your guard!
</i></blockquote>
We keep hearing that lawyers are finally realizing that filing frivolous lawsuits to try to silence critics can backfire badly -- but we keep seeing new examples to the contrary.  Hopefully, with each such example people realize that silencing criticism through bogus lawsuits is not a reasonable path to take.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100720/16440310295.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100720/16440310295.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100720/16440310295.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Mon, 8 Mar 2010 18:50:00 PST</pubDate>
<title>Vision Media's Attempt To Silence Critic May Be Exposing More Questionable Activities</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Earlier this year, we wrote about a company called Vision Media TV that was <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100122/0236407864.shtml">suing</a> the operator of 800Notes.com, a site where users had complained about Vision Media.  Vision Media, of course, has been <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/16/us/16pitch.html?_r=2" target="_blank">criticized in the NY Times</a> and other media publications for cold calling organizations, promising to put them on "public television," but not making it clear that all it seemed to do was send the program it would put together (after the organization paid somewhere around $20,000) to various public television stations, with no promise that it would get on TV.  Vision Media has been aggressive in trying to quiet any criticism, but with this latest lawsuit, not only is it getting some pushback, but others may be digging up some additional dirt on the company.
<br /><br />
<a href="http://www.techdirt.com/profile.php?u=paulalanlevy">Paul Alan Levy</a>, who is representing 800Notes, alerts us to the news that all of this attention has helped <a href="http://pubcit.typepad.com/clpblog/2010/03/vision-media-tries-to-escape-consequences-of-its-frivolous-defamation-claims.html" target="_blank">dig up other reports about the company</a>, including the fact that similarly questionable pitches have come from other companies with different names (WJMK, United Media, Vision Media and Great America HD)... but the very same address as Vision Media.  Rather than Hugh Downs, those other pitches involved media personalities like Walter Cronkite and Mike Douglas -- both of whom ended up suing the company over being misled.  This reminds me that we received a similar pitch ourselves a year or so ago, but I have no idea if it was from the same company (and tragically, I can't find that voicemail any more).
<br /><br />
Of course, none of this would be getting as much attention if the company wasn't trying to silence 800Notes and its users from saying why they felt the pitches were questionable.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100304/1742408426.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100304/1742408426.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100304/1742408426.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Mon, 1 Feb 2010 14:24:06 PST</pubDate>
<title>Vision Media Apparently Would Prefer No Public Discussion About Its Lawsuit</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ Last week, we wrote about how Vision Media TV was <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100122/0236407864.shtml">suing 800notes.com</a> over comments made by users on the way Vision Media TV does business -- a business method that has been <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/glogin?URI=http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/16/us/16pitch.html&#038;OQ=_rQ3D2&#038;OP=5187779fQ2F!Jgz!P)N6p))Q7DQ24!Q24,,Q5D!,Q5D!.l!Q3C6!.lw5Q7DNn(nQ7DfY" target="_blank">criticized in the pages of the NY Times</a> among others.  Of course, 800notes has a clear Section 230 defense, but Vision Media is trying to get around that.  Our post was based on a post by Paul Alan Levy, from Public Citizen, who is helping 800Notes in its defense.  He's also now let us know that Vision Media is upset about his own discussion of the lawsuit and that it has <a href="http://pubcit.typepad.com/clpblog/2010/01/vision-media-requests-injunction-against-blogging-that-casts-it-in-a-negative-light.html" target="_blank">asked the court for an injunction</a> barring Levy from posting documents from the case on his blog or discussing them -- despite the fact that the filings he posted were all public.  
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Vision Media seems to be claiming that just posting these public documents is defamatory, which seems quite odd.  Also odd is that Vision Media claims that all this publicity might hurt Hugh Downs most of all.  Downs, the former host of 20/20, apparently works with Vision Media and is part of the enticement to companies in trying to get them to pay to be on a Vision Media video program.  But, again, if Vision Media has done nothing wrong, then it's hard to see how a discussion of the lawsuit would harm its own reputation, or that of Downs.  Yet, using Downs' name in support of an attempt to silence a blog post would seem <i>more likely</i> to harm Downs' reputation than anything that Levy did in his own post.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100128/1558417967.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100128/1558417967.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100128/1558417967.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:41:00 PST</pubDate>
<title>New Attempt To Get Around Section 230 In Apparent Effort To Bury Small Site With Legal Expenses</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ We've seen all sorts of attempts to get around Section 230 safe harbors by various companies -- almost all of which have failed.  But they keep on trying.  <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/profile.php?u=paulalanlevy">Paul Alan Levy</a> alerts us to a new case, in which he (and Public Citizen) are helping out, that involves a company called Vision Media TV, whose business has been <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/16/us/16pitch.html?_r=1" target="_blank">heavily criticized in the press</a>.   According to the various reports, the company calls organizations to get them to take part in a TV show with a semi-famous host, which they claim will be shown on TV.  Eventually, the reports claim, it comes out that the "production costs" are over $20,000 and the TV coverage is either non-existent or significantly less than suggested.  I've actually received similar calls (though I don't know if it was from Vision Media).  It seems like it should be pretty common knowledge that if someone is asking you to pay to get on a TV program (especially one you haven't actually seen on TV), you should proceed with caution.
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However, Vision Media TV disagrees very much with those news reports, though it has not sued the likes of the NY Times that wrote them.  Instead, it has gone after <a href="http://www.inc.com/magazine/20081101/a-cold-call-a-blog-and-a-20-million-lawsuit.html" target="_blank">smaller players</a>.  The latest case, which Paul wrote about, involves the rather useful site <a href="http://800notes.com/">800notes.com</a>, which lets people discuss telemarketers.  There was a section of people discussing the calls from Vision Media, and so Vision asked 800notes to take them down.  Of course, 800notes is protected (reasonably) by Section 230 safe harbors.  Vision Media TV apparently responded by suggesting that <a href="http://pubcit.typepad.com/clpblog/2010/01/vision-media-tv-tries-to-evade-section-230-immunity-to-squelch-criticism.html" target="_blank">it knows how to get around Section 230 safe harbors</a> and later filed suit against the site, suggesting that it would be a lot less expensive to just remove the comments than to deal with the lawsuit.
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To get around Section 230, the company apparently tried a bunch of things.  Public Citizen summarizes in its brief:
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It pleaded claims for "false light," "tortious interference with business
opportunity," and "trade libel," and attached a potpourri of documents that were apparently intended
to show the loss of business that the message board postings had occasioned. In an effort to plead
around Forte's Section 230 immunity, Vision Media repeatedly but generally alleged that Forte had
authored some content on the web site, that she had deliberately removed favorable postings about
Vision Media to make it look worse, that she had "substantially alter[ed] and edit[ed' others[']
posts," and that she had "actively encourage[d] circumvention of legally binding agreements" that
forbade unidentified persons from disparaging Vision Media.... The complaint also mentioned
in passing Vision Media's trademark and used the terms "dilute" and "infringement," but did not
plead any claim under the trademark laws. Although the complaint went on for 16 pages and
included 20 pages of exhibits, the complaint neither set forth the allegedly defamatory (or false light)
posts nor specified the portions of posts that were allegedly authored by Forte.
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The point about her removing favorable posts is explained because Forte was alerted to about two dozen favorable posts about Vision Media that showed up at around the same time, but came from just two IP addresses -- so she made the reasonable assumption that they were spam and deleted them.  However, she did suggest to Vision Media that they identify themselves and respond to critics publicly -- which the company did, and those posts remain on the site, showing that she has no problem with positive posts, just not ones that appear to be spammy.
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Anyway, it appears that all of this is to hope that the company can at least get around a quick Section 230 dismissal to burden the site with legal costs, and Levy and the crew at Public Citizen are making the case that Section 230 obviously applies here.  Hopefully the judge agrees.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100122/0236407864.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100122/0236407864.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100122/0236407864.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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<pubDate>Wed, 9 Jul 2008 03:36:12 PDT</pubDate>
<title>Once Again: Do Not Send Legal Threats To Companies Because You Don't Like What A User Says</title>
<dc:creator>Mike Masnick</dc:creator>
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<description><![CDATA[ It's getting to be rather silly how many times we've posted about section 230 of the CDA, which protects websites from the actions of their users -- but it seems that there's no shortage of folks with quick legal trigger fingers, who figure that anything they dislike online must be illegal, and they can blame the site that hosted it.  The latest example, sent in by an anonymous reader, is that 800Notes, one of many websites that allows users to post notes on random callers (telemarketers and such) discovered that the owner of one company, mynutritionstore, whose phone number was listed on the site <a href="http://800notes.com/articles/News.aspx/dipAEP4wrADPrgjKpnNKaA" target="_new">sent an angry threat demanding it be taken down</a>, because someone had a negative experience with the company.  When 800Notes told the owner of mynutritionstore that it would not remove the negative reviews, he apparently threatened to sue 800Notes.  Public Citizen stepped in and sent him a quick legal lesson on the safe harbors provided by the CDA, how anti-SLAPP laws work and also pointed out that his claim that the posts were defamatory is clearly shown to be untrue by the fact that the same demand for a takedown claims that the content is proprietary to mynutrtionstore.  If it's proprietary than that would indicate that it's truthful, not defamatory.  It's not libel if it's the truth.
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So, once again, just because you dislike what someone has to say about you online, it doesn't mean that it's illegal.  Also, threatening to sue the service provider for content you dislike generated by users is bound to backfire -- often badly.  Hopefully, more people will learn this, and we'll stop seeing these sorts of threats.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080708/0038361619.shtml">Permalink</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080708/0038361619.shtml#comments">Comments</a> | <a href="http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20080708/0038361619.shtml?op=sharethis">Email This Story</a><br />
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