Only $60 ? Luxury! I think it's $110 in Australia. Oddly $AU is worth very similar to $US at the moment (per Xe, 1.00 AUD
=0.933400 USD) which should make it $65 over here, even with rounding up.
Even then I bet *we* get the crappy MA15 version since some idiot attorney general over here thinks 15 year olds should be able to play GTA.
Yes, lots of people have paid for it. Great.
How many are actually *playing* it ? I'd suggest a significant portion of their record sales have come from currently *unhappy* customers.
Ah the peanut gallery speaks. Learn to type your name, shill! There's significantly more PEOPLE these days too. If 1% of a given population is musical, then more people = more music. Same as there's more pollution, higher food requirements and all the rest that goes with a larger population. Did you even -think- before posting ? I bet not.
"It could easily become very expensive and a greater revenue source for Murdoch."
Pfft. LOL! If it's valueless now, why will an arbitrary price tag make it worth more ? Just means less people will see his vomit.
Here's the top 5 items from the news.com.au feed on iGoogle at the moment :
Breast cancer hope from pigs (a pig has been forced to grow breasts .. eww)
'Get off the boat and we'll resettle you' (This site implies the new offer's OK but the Australian a paper owned by the same company is quoted as saying it's been rejected.)
Parking inspector bitten in the face (the only extra detail is a location and car type)
Man forced girl, 11, to 'abort after rape' (a Fritzl type case)
Shark-on-shark attack shocks aquarium (no mention of the fact it was pregnant in the headline and had babies after)
Based on those headlines, I saw no need to click a link, but I did to show the dross the site vomits onto my screen.
Yes it's all really indepth stuff. The world would be better off without it. In fact I just removed the news.com.au gadget from igoogle.
"How about this one? Is a flea market liable if a vendor in the market is repeatedly selling counterfeit goods? After of course multiple warnings about the vendor have been provided to the flea market?"
Err .. what are the police supposed to be doing at the time ? I mean you're typing with counterfeit logic there, dleather - should your ISP get sued because you're using their bandwidth to provide a counterfeit item?
As I've stated many times, most people posting as 'anonymous coward' or similar are ignored by me and presumably many others.
"despite capping broadband connections at 250 gigs/month"
Poor dears. I have a 35Gb/month cap, and that's considered large to most people I know near me in Australia. I don't often go near it but there are times I do.
To keep on topic though, the ISP should provide some form of monitoring tool. My ISP (iiNet) provide a sweet set of tools for managing your account and viewing usage.
Oddly my rather long comment on this on news.com.au didn't get published on there.. :) Anyway they ran with a survey of about 6K people in Europe+US and used those results to assume a staggering number of people would pay as their reasoning for a paywall on an *Australian* news site. Like other posters, if a news (or any) site requires my rego to read it, it can get stuffed. I like to get to know a site before I give my info, and if I can't get what I want, I will go elsewhere.
Admittedly the web's full of 'unreliable' sources but this aura the papers think they have of being reliable is a farce, a good proportion hastily reword bits of copy pasted releases from other sources, especially online. In that regard they've devalued themselves completely. Few news websites are taken seriously on their own, I believe most people browse the same story on several sites to get 'all the interpretations' not all of the facts.
We need to read between the spin to see the truth in most online papers these days and readers realise this. The last time I looked at a physical newspaper was last month when I packed to move.. the last time I bought one ? Ages back, and that was only for the free copy of Spore's creature creator..
Far as I'm aware the original purpose of bittorrent was to reduce overhead, you can grab bits of files from anywhere, and -reduce- traffic at the server level. In theory, the server may send downloaded file once only, but 500 people end up with a complete copy.
Being able to download a portion of a file from anywhere meant you could also pick a file up at your connection's full speed, theoretically faster than the hosting server could provide it on its own.
It was never intended for piracy, but neither were telephones lines, or the postal service. Things get used to do what they're good at doing. Bit torrent is good at distributing and that's something piracy needs, is a good method of distribution.
As for ISPs offering unlimited bandwidth, well you reap what you sow. If you offer to bend over for customers, expect some of them to get the lubricant out. Where I live, 25Gb's a fairly large limit. The 53Gb I'd get if ADSL2 was available (same $) would be nice but alas I can't at this address for some reason. I'm not in the US.
The whole argument is bizarre - who is liable for ram raiders ? The vehicle makers, whoever built the road and/or footpath, whichever company made the clothes they were wearing ? How about the petrol station they bought the petrol from ?
To say iiNet are doing anything wrong by the way their handling it is unfair. They could advise a customer the allegation has been received I guess but legally they're not empowered to actually -act- on the allegation. Like all crimes, the police, or proper relevant authority should handle it.
If they give out the customer's information, that technique can be used in many ways to get someone's information for other purposes. Cutting off their internet access on a single allegation isn't fair either.
That said I don't believe we have the equivalent 'safe harbour' the US has, so iiNet may well wind up in a bad position - considering that AFACT claims to have set up 'honeytorrents' and then requested details of specific IP addresses.
There has to be a better way for this sort of thing to work but it seems most are insistent on not moving forwards.
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Re: Re: Re: iiNet (as Yeebok)
Sorry Mike !
I had honestly not recalled seeing a story about it. Apologies for the error.
Re: Activison and Steam Suck! (as Yeebok)
Only $60 ? Luxury! I think it's $110 in Australia. Oddly $AU is worth very similar to $US at the moment (per Xe, 1.00 AUD
=0.933400 USD) which should make it $65 over here, even with rounding up.
Even then I bet *we* get the crappy MA15 version since some idiot attorney general over here thinks 15 year olds should be able to play GTA.
Re: Re: lots of boycott (as Yeebok)
Yes, lots of people have paid for it. Great.
How many are actually *playing* it ? I'd suggest a significant portion of their record sales have come from currently *unhappy* customers.
Re: Re: Re: (as Yeebok)
Steam : Glowing reviews.. where on here !?
Steam is the whole reason I have not installed HL2 or CS:S on my last 4 PCs.
Re: (as Yeebok)
Steam sucks arse. Have you tried Stardock's smaller but much friendlier Impulse system ?
I remember buying HL2 and then finding it was 2 days before the downloads finished, after the installs.
Sins of a Solar Empire and the expansions .. installed and playable as soon as the disc stopped spinning.
Re: iiNet (as Yeebok)
I mention the iiNet case on here a few times but it seems since it's not US centred it doesn't get a look in.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: (as Yeebok)
You, buddy, are an idiot. See "b) Puts the item in question into the complete control of the thief."
Re: Re: You can't legislate or bribe creativity (as Yeebok)
Ah the peanut gallery speaks. Learn to type your name, shill! There's significantly more PEOPLE these days too. If 1% of a given population is musical, then more people = more music. Same as there's more pollution, higher food requirements and all the rest that goes with a larger population. Did you even -think- before posting ? I bet not.
Re: You're all misunderstanding Murdoch's strategy (as Yeebok)
"It could easily become very expensive and a greater revenue source for Murdoch."
Pfft. LOL! If it's valueless now, why will an arbitrary price tag make it worth more ? Just means less people will see his vomit.
They post crud though (as Yeebok)
Here's the top 5 items from the news.com.au feed on iGoogle at the moment :
Breast cancer hope from pigs (a pig has been forced to grow breasts .. eww)
'Get off the boat and we'll resettle you' (This site implies the new offer's OK but the Australian a paper owned by the same company is quoted as saying it's been rejected.)
Parking inspector bitten in the face (the only extra detail is a location and car type)
Man forced girl, 11, to 'abort after rape' (a Fritzl type case)
Shark-on-shark attack shocks aquarium (no mention of the fact it was pregnant in the headline and had babies after)
Based on those headlines, I saw no need to click a link, but I did to show the dross the site vomits onto my screen.
Yes it's all really indepth stuff. The world would be better off without it. In fact I just removed the news.com.au gadget from igoogle.
Re: Re: Re: Re: (as Yeebok)
Because you're an idiot ? Australians, generally aren't fascist, communist or evil. Agreed with Big Al, it irks me to admit he's an Aussie too.
Err .. ads ? Where ? (as Yeebok)
I haven't seen one on here - ever.
Wonder what happens if I turn adblock off .. nah ..
Let me know when this passes (as Yeebok)
I want to patent the first line of VB I write afterwards.
You've gotta wonder though, will that mean you have to get your for each loops cleared with a lawyer ?
I can see some really long variable names in the future..
Re: Re: ISP or infringer? (as Yeebok)
That's the whole problem there - these ISPs are getting letters from Vilains. Your surname's threatening them. Joking, of course.
Re: Re: Re: shell gas analogy...Re: Re: (1) not quite so cut-and-dried (2) failure to read RFC 2142 (as Yeebok)
"How about this one? Is a flea market liable if a vendor in the market is repeatedly selling counterfeit goods? After of course multiple warnings about the vendor have been provided to the flea market?"
Err .. what are the police supposed to be doing at the time ? I mean you're typing with counterfeit logic there, dleather - should your ISP get sued because you're using their bandwidth to provide a counterfeit item?
Do people hit that cap ? (as Yeebok)
As I've stated many times, most people posting as 'anonymous coward' or similar are ignored by me and presumably many others.
"despite capping broadband connections at 250 gigs/month"
Poor dears. I have a 35Gb/month cap, and that's considered large to most people I know near me in Australia. I don't often go near it but there are times I do.
To keep on topic though, the ISP should provide some form of monitoring tool. My ISP (iiNet) provide a sweet set of tools for managing your account and viewing usage.
I submit 2 apps then (as Yeebok)
10 app$ = "My first app"
20 print app$
30 goto 10
10 app$ = "My second app"
20 print app$
30 goto 10
I mean each one of them is distinct .. err .. very similar ..
lol @ apple.
Won't work (as Yeebok)
Oddly my rather long comment on this on news.com.au didn't get published on there.. :) Anyway they ran with a survey of about 6K people in Europe+US and used those results to assume a staggering number of people would pay as their reasoning for a paywall on an *Australian* news site. Like other posters, if a news (or any) site requires my rego to read it, it can get stuffed. I like to get to know a site before I give my info, and if I can't get what I want, I will go elsewhere.
Admittedly the web's full of 'unreliable' sources but this aura the papers think they have of being reliable is a farce, a good proportion hastily reword bits of copy pasted releases from other sources, especially online. In that regard they've devalued themselves completely. Few news websites are taken seriously on their own, I believe most people browse the same story on several sites to get 'all the interpretations' not all of the facts.
We need to read between the spin to see the truth in most online papers these days and readers realise this. The last time I looked at a physical newspaper was last month when I packed to move.. the last time I bought one ? Ages back, and that was only for the free copy of Spore's creature creator..
oh for unlimited bandwidth (as Yeebok)
Far as I'm aware the original purpose of bittorrent was to reduce overhead, you can grab bits of files from anywhere, and -reduce- traffic at the server level. In theory, the server may send downloaded file once only, but 500 people end up with a complete copy.
Being able to download a portion of a file from anywhere meant you could also pick a file up at your connection's full speed, theoretically faster than the hosting server could provide it on its own.
It was never intended for piracy, but neither were telephones lines, or the postal service. Things get used to do what they're good at doing. Bit torrent is good at distributing and that's something piracy needs, is a good method of distribution.
As for ISPs offering unlimited bandwidth, well you reap what you sow. If you offer to bend over for customers, expect some of them to get the lubricant out. Where I live, 25Gb's a fairly large limit. The 53Gb I'd get if ADSL2 was available (same $) would be nice but alas I can't at this address for some reason. I'm not in the US.
as an iiNet customer (as Yeebok)
The whole argument is bizarre - who is liable for ram raiders ? The vehicle makers, whoever built the road and/or footpath, whichever company made the clothes they were wearing ? How about the petrol station they bought the petrol from ?
To say iiNet are doing anything wrong by the way their handling it is unfair. They could advise a customer the allegation has been received I guess but legally they're not empowered to actually -act- on the allegation. Like all crimes, the police, or proper relevant authority should handle it.
If they give out the customer's information, that technique can be used in many ways to get someone's information for other purposes. Cutting off their internet access on a single allegation isn't fair either.
That said I don't believe we have the equivalent 'safe harbour' the US has, so iiNet may well wind up in a bad position - considering that AFACT claims to have set up 'honeytorrents' and then requested details of specific IP addresses.
There has to be a better way for this sort of thing to work but it seems most are insistent on not moving forwards.