I'm sure it's been said before, but if you have a problem with Google, don't use Google. I am well aware of the amount of information that Google has about me, (see: google.com/dashboard) and I am willing to give them that information in exchange for their services. This is a decision I have made.
You really need to understand that Google is completely optional, and thus, not as scary as you seem to believe.
They're taking you DNA because you were arrested, the same reason they take a fingerprint.
Now, if that DNA database were shared with outside organizations, or used to determine medical health, etc, then I agree with you that this is unacceptable, but that's a problem with the database, not the act of taking DNA to identify a person.
Your analogy makes no sense. If you're arrested for burglary and your fingerprints match those found on a bloody axe from a crime 4 years ago, you shouldn't be questioned about the bloody axe?
The fact that your DNA is matched with DNA found at an unrelated crime scene is a *fact*. There can be a logical explanation for it, of course, but it's still a new piece of evidence in a crime, and should be investigated. *Exactly like fingerprints.*
For this to matter, your DNA would have to be at the scene of the crime. Combined with the fact that the mere presence of DNA isn't an automatic guilty sentence, but just another form of evidence, and I really fail to see the problem here.
No matter *how* racist the cop, you'd still need to have your DNA at the scene of a crime for this to hurt you; and if your DNA is at the scene of a crime, the cops *should* question you about it.
Two kids found a security flaw in one of those electronic billboards... and the company, DPC, gave them ipads and invited them to come talk about security.
...in Serbia.
What did the DPC have to say about the hacking?
“This has never happened before, but we appreciate the fact that these guys have, in a charming way, pointed us to this huge problem. Now it is clearer than ever that we need to protect ourselves better,” DPC’s manager Slobodan Petrovic commented.
and
According to DPC’s [the billboard company] manager the two students are lucky to be in Serbia, as things may have ended differently in other countries. “In more developed countries, these actions are unthinkable because of severe sanctions,” he said.
When did things get so out of hand, here in America?
Never have I felt more personally ashamed of my country and its government than the actions revolving around wikileaks and Bradley Manning. No action taken has been reasonable, thoughtful, or just; merely vindictive, cruel, and petty. It has become clear that those people who claim to represent us, who claim to support ideals of truth, justice, and liberty are no more than petty tyrants who know they have done wrong, and will trample the liberty of anyone who dares push back, who dares suggest that a government of the people, by the people, and for the people, must also be visible to the people, not cloaked beneath "Classified".
I don't know what worries me more: that one day my daughter will return home from school and ask me why we let the government treat Bradley Manning so unjustly, or that she never knows his name, because the government sweeps this all under the rug, and the world forgets about a brave man who saw injustice and tried to stop it.
I am a veteran, and I personally believe that anyone who has sworn an oath to support and defend the US Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic, should support Bradley Manning as the hero he is.
I think someone should make an app that restores the phone to default if a specific security pin/pattern is entered. So, I would have a pin to unlock my phone, and another one to wipe it.
Cop asks for the phone, wipe it quickly before handing it over. It probably wouldn't stop an in depth search of the phone hardware, but I bet it would stop their little hacking tool.
Is there a penalty for submitting false reports? Is the system automated?
Gee, it would be a shame if some anonymous group started submitting thousands of accusations at randomly chosen IP addresses, thus shooting the false positive ratio through the roof, and showing what a horrible, expensive, badly implemented idea this is. Why, in that event, you wouldn't be able to know what was a "real" accusation, and what was a false one, and the whole system would collapse.
However they should be held accountable because they played a fairly big role in putting a huge pressure upon Aaron and we can assume quite accurately that this was one of the factors that weighted in his decision to take his life.
Held accountable *how*? What law would you charge them with?
Every time I read an article about Canadian Copyright Trolls seeking mass IP addresses of ISP customers for allegedly downloading something illegally, I'm shocked that they have electricity in Canada.
Re: Re: Re: Anything that can't be checked: DON'T TRUST.
There is no problem with my logic. If you don't trust Google with your data, don't give them your data. Again, using Google is optional.
Re: Anything that can't be checked: DON'T TRUST.
I'm sure it's been said before, but if you have a problem with Google, don't use Google. I am well aware of the amount of information that Google has about me, (see: google.com/dashboard) and I am willing to give them that information in exchange for their services. This is a decision I have made.
You really need to understand that Google is completely optional, and thus, not as scary as you seem to believe.
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They're taking you DNA because you were arrested, the same reason they take a fingerprint.
Now, if that DNA database were shared with outside organizations, or used to determine medical health, etc, then I agree with you that this is unacceptable, but that's a problem with the database, not the act of taking DNA to identify a person.
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They're not considering taking *only* DNA, are they?
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Go home, AC, you're drunk.
Your analogy makes no sense. If you're arrested for burglary and your fingerprints match those found on a bloody axe from a crime 4 years ago, you shouldn't be questioned about the bloody axe?
The fact that your DNA is matched with DNA found at an unrelated crime scene is a *fact*. There can be a logical explanation for it, of course, but it's still a new piece of evidence in a crime, and should be investigated. *Exactly like fingerprints.*
Where is the police state?
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This is nonsense.
For this to matter, your DNA would have to be at the scene of the crime. Combined with the fact that the mere presence of DNA isn't an automatic guilty sentence, but just another form of evidence, and I really fail to see the problem here.
No matter *how* racist the cop, you'd still need to have your DNA at the scene of a crime for this to hurt you; and if your DNA is at the scene of a crime, the cops *should* question you about it.
Where's the police state part come in?
Meanwhile...
Two kids found a security flaw in one of those electronic billboards... and the company, DPC, gave them ipads and invited them to come talk about security.
...in Serbia.
What did the DPC have to say about the hacking?
and
When did things get so out of hand, here in America?
Shame
Never have I felt more personally ashamed of my country and its government than the actions revolving around wikileaks and Bradley Manning. No action taken has been reasonable, thoughtful, or just; merely vindictive, cruel, and petty. It has become clear that those people who claim to represent us, who claim to support ideals of truth, justice, and liberty are no more than petty tyrants who know they have done wrong, and will trample the liberty of anyone who dares push back, who dares suggest that a government of the people, by the people, and for the people, must also be visible to the people, not cloaked beneath "Classified".
I don't know what worries me more: that one day my daughter will return home from school and ask me why we let the government treat Bradley Manning so unjustly, or that she never knows his name, because the government sweeps this all under the rug, and the world forgets about a brave man who saw injustice and tried to stop it.
I am a veteran, and I personally believe that anyone who has sworn an oath to support and defend the US Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic, should support Bradley Manning as the hero he is.
Re: I guarantee you they won't get a thing from mine.
You can further thwart the police by not having a house to search, by living on the streets. That'll show them.
Hint: you're missing the point, old timer.
Re: I wonder if there'd be a market for...
I think someone should make an app that restores the phone to default if a specific security pin/pattern is entered. So, I would have a pin to unlock my phone, and another one to wipe it.
Cop asks for the phone, wipe it quickly before handing it over. It probably wouldn't stop an in depth search of the phone hardware, but I bet it would stop their little hacking tool.
Re: @ Mike: I ask you to state that the first out_of_the_blue is false.
Make an account: Problem solved.
Anonymity works both ways.
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Is there a penalty for submitting false reports? Is the system automated?
Gee, it would be a shame if some anonymous group started submitting thousands of accusations at randomly chosen IP addresses, thus shooting the false positive ratio through the roof, and showing what a horrible, expensive, badly implemented idea this is. Why, in that event, you wouldn't be able to know what was a "real" accusation, and what was a false one, and the whole system would collapse.
It would be just horrible, I say.
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Name one right that copyright grants an author that he can't do without copyright.
Note: Avoid "rights" that take away someone else's right.
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However they should be held accountable because they played a fairly big role in putting a huge pressure upon Aaron and we can assume quite accurately that this was one of the factors that weighted in his decision to take his life.
Held accountable *how*? What law would you charge them with?
Re: Re: Interesting!
The Hopper: Some bigwig CEO doesn't want you to have it, so you know you need it.
It's aboot freedom?
Every time I read an article about Canadian Copyright Trolls seeking mass IP addresses of ISP customers for allegedly downloading something illegally, I'm shocked that they have electricity in Canada.
;-)
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Maybe I'm confused. How can it be a natural right if it requires a government for it to exist?
Perhaps I don't understand what a natural right is, but I thought it was a right that needed no government to give it.
Re: Re: As a general rule
It's obvious that he means that we shouldn't make decisions when we're all emotionally polarized.
Unless you knew that, and just wanted to dismiss his perfectly valid point.
Re: A question
Postal, and Postal 2?
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They also provide tools for protecting a market, and are especially useful for reigning in small agile innovative companies ...
You don't say? Well, that sounds exactly like what we want! Something to slow down innovative companies!