The arguments about an app (no matter how stupid or trivial) is an app if it is sold separately.
As an owner of a G1, what I find interesting is the number of apps that the App Store has that are not free that are free in the Android Marketplace. I work with an iPhone fanatic and he is always showing off apps he "bought for $0.99". Then I go and get the same app, or at least an app with the same functionality for free.
The number people should focus on is the number of downloaded apps. I read recently, but cannot remember where, that of all of the apps only about 10 - 15% are downloaded with any level of significance. Not sure if there is any merit to that. But if Apple wants to put out a billion useless, crappy apps and claim they have over a billion apps, who cares? Only people I can see having issue are the iPhone/iPod fans and the sheeple that gravitate to the iPhone/iPod because "everyone has one".
I am all for getting free content, but the last place I want to deal with ads is in my reading.
I bought a Kindle a couple of months ago and I love it. I would likely not make use of a free/reduced price catalog if it meant ads were going to interrupt the flow of the book I am reading.
I would like to see Amazon implement a policy whereby purchase of a hardcover book qualified for a reduced price Kindle version. I own a few dozen hardcover books of authors I enjoy. However, a first read of any book for me entails carrying it with me to work, on the bus, etc. A hardback just is not suited to that. However, a re-read is something, at times, done more leisurely. When I contacted Amazon asking about reduced Kindle versions with purchase of a hardcover, I was told that was not an option.
if companies like Sony realize that this could hurt them.
If some one buys a CD but wants to listen to the music on an MP3 player, they are breaking the law in ripping the disk.
This puts companies that make the players in a position to either promoting electronic distribution models or avoiding the realization that they are potentially promoting illegal activities (at least in Japan).
Nothing to be ashamed about. I am a Linux advocate. Sure it is a form of DRM, but it is not like they are saying, "No Apps" or trying to claim copyright infringement for a jailbreak phone.
No reason to have a Dev-G1 unless you are a dev. Then, ask yourself, is it necessary to have those paid apps on the handset?
As it is, a lot of the apps have free alternatives.
It is not that it is unlocked. It is that the dev-G1 allows access to the protected storage that paid apps are stored in, thus being able to copy them and distribute them.
Also, the Android Marketplace allows for uninstalls/refunds within 24 hours. So, with a dev-G1, one could conceivably purchase, copy, uninstall to get the refund and then restore the program.
There is no restrictions on the use of the G1 in an unlocked state. The Marketplace is run by Google, not Tmobile. Tmobile will supply the unlock codes if you have had the G1 for more than 6 months.
Getting it 100% functional on a different network is another story entirely. I have an unlocked G1 (not a dev phone) and have it on AT7T. All is working excep 3G and MMS. AT&T uses a non-standard 3G frequency. As to the MMS, not sure why that is not working.
I cannot express my utter befuddlement with your statement.
*nix was indeed designed as a secure system.
While it is true that the creation of exploits/virii/worms has target windows due to its popularity, that is not the entire picture. Windows exploits exist primarily due to the fact that the preferred operating model of the OS is inherently insecure. In a *nix environment you may need to be root to install an app, but except for certain system apps and for the launching of server processes, you need not be root to run them. However, on windows there are more apps than you can shake a stick at that require you to have admin privileges to run them. So what, you might say. Well, the problem lies in that this makes for a greater likelihood that the end user on a windows box is an admin. If that end user executes code, it runs with admin privileges. Due to these facts, there is a plethora of "workbenches" that can lead nearly anybody through a process to build a virus or trojan.
And don't even get me started on the issues with ActiveX and implied security.
What it sounds like to me is a content cache device that would allow access of Internet content in locations where Internet access is not an option for one reason or another.
Problem is that with so much of the internet being data driven, the flexibility is limited to sites whose content is static. Good for research or teaching material, if presented correctly.
That is true. Not because they were all saints though, just because the technology didn't exist. For me, in High School in the 80s, it was Polaroids.
I abhor the thought of government coming in to "parent" our kids. They cannot even manage their own affairs. And to the chastity belts, I don't even know where to start with that.
So, then it is totally acceptable for your employer to search through your cell phone, briefcase, etc. I think most would take exception to that. I know I would, and I work as a contractor to the DoE which has more stringent restrictions than private sector.
While I agree with some of what has been said, I think that at times it goes too far and becomes detrimental.
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Hmmm.... (as Jeff)
I guess I should look in to suing Krylon as well as the masonry company that laid the wall for the graffiti on the walls outside that says I'm a dick.
Re: I see the point, but... (as Jeff Dierking)
err, fraqgment alert...
The arguments about an app (no matter how stupid or trivial) is an app if it is sold separately is a valid argument.
I see the point, but... (as Jeff Dierking)
The arguments about an app (no matter how stupid or trivial) is an app if it is sold separately.
As an owner of a G1, what I find interesting is the number of apps that the App Store has that are not free that are free in the Android Marketplace. I work with an iPhone fanatic and he is always showing off apps he "bought for $0.99". Then I go and get the same app, or at least an app with the same functionality for free.
The number people should focus on is the number of downloaded apps. I read recently, but cannot remember where, that of all of the apps only about 10 - 15% are downloaded with any level of significance. Not sure if there is any merit to that. But if Apple wants to put out a billion useless, crappy apps and claim they have over a billion apps, who cares? Only people I can see having issue are the iPhone/iPod fans and the sheeple that gravitate to the iPhone/iPod because "everyone has one".
Ads? No thanks! (as Jeff Dierking)
I am all for getting free content, but the last place I want to deal with ads is in my reading.
I bought a Kindle a couple of months ago and I love it. I would likely not make use of a free/reduced price catalog if it meant ads were going to interrupt the flow of the book I am reading.
I would like to see Amazon implement a policy whereby purchase of a hardcover book qualified for a reduced price Kindle version. I own a few dozen hardcover books of authors I enjoy. However, a first read of any book for me entails carrying it with me to work, on the bus, etc. A hardback just is not suited to that. However, a re-read is something, at times, done more leisurely. When I contacted Amazon asking about reduced Kindle versions with purchase of a hardcover, I was told that was not an option.
We'll see where this goes.
I wonder... (as Jeff)
if companies like Sony realize that this could hurt them.
If some one buys a CD but wants to listen to the music on an MP3 player, they are breaking the law in ripping the disk.
This puts companies that make the players in a position to either promoting electronic distribution models or avoiding the realization that they are potentially promoting illegal activities (at least in Japan).
Re: But unlike software solutions.. (as Jeff)
Don't give them any ideas.
And yes, it is 20. (2 each for the 8 pawns and the 2 knights)
Re: Re: Sob (as Jeff)
Not entirely:
Apple does not offer an unlocked iPhone for developers. As such, the only way to do that level of development on another network is to jailbreak it.
As such, comparing Google to Apple is like comparing apples to oranges.
If they were to do this exclusion to unlocked, non-Dev-G1 phones, then it would be the same.
Re: Sob (as Jeff)
Nothing to be ashamed about. I am a Linux advocate. Sure it is a form of DRM, but it is not like they are saying, "No Apps" or trying to claim copyright infringement for a jailbreak phone.
No reason to have a Dev-G1 unless you are a dev. Then, ask yourself, is it necessary to have those paid apps on the handset?
As it is, a lot of the apps have free alternatives.
Re: Re: Let's clarify... (as Jeff)
That is my next foray. :)
Re: Sooooo... (as Jeff)
If you are not on the Dev-G1, then it is a moot point.
Re: Re: Re: Let's clarify... (as Jeff)
Can you tell me what your APN settings are for that then as I have gone round and round trying to get it set.
Re: Let's clarify... (as Jeff)
Not entirely.
It is not that it is unlocked. It is that the dev-G1 allows access to the protected storage that paid apps are stored in, thus being able to copy them and distribute them.
Also, the Android Marketplace allows for uninstalls/refunds within 24 hours. So, with a dev-G1, one could conceivably purchase, copy, uninstall to get the refund and then restore the program.
There is no restrictions on the use of the G1 in an unlocked state. The Marketplace is run by Google, not Tmobile. Tmobile will supply the unlock codes if you have had the G1 for more than 6 months.
Getting it 100% functional on a different network is another story entirely. I have an unlocked G1 (not a dev phone) and have it on AT7T. All is working excep 3G and MMS. AT&T uses a non-standard 3G frequency. As to the MMS, not sure why that is not working.
Re: Re: If we're talking about current OS' (as Jeff)
I cannot express my utter befuddlement with your statement.
*nix was indeed designed as a secure system.
While it is true that the creation of exploits/virii/worms has target windows due to its popularity, that is not the entire picture. Windows exploits exist primarily due to the fact that the preferred operating model of the OS is inherently insecure. In a *nix environment you may need to be root to install an app, but except for certain system apps and for the launching of server processes, you need not be root to run them. However, on windows there are more apps than you can shake a stick at that require you to have admin privileges to run them. So what, you might say. Well, the problem lies in that this makes for a greater likelihood that the end user on a windows box is an admin. If that end user executes code, it runs with admin privileges. Due to these facts, there is a plethora of "workbenches" that can lead nearly anybody through a process to build a virus or trojan.
And don't even get me started on the issues with ActiveX and implied security.
(as Jeff)
What it sounds like to me is a content cache device that would allow access of Internet content in locations where Internet access is not an option for one reason or another.
Problem is that with so much of the internet being data driven, the flexibility is limited to sites whose content is static. Good for research or teaching material, if presented correctly.
Re: (as Jeff)
This is not Obama's doing. I have discussed this very issue 6 - 12 months ago with colleagues. We knew it would be pushed back, yet again.
Re: Re: (as Jeff)
Don't put us all in that basket.
Re: Re: Re: (as Jeff)
Interesting formula. Never heard this one.
I like it.
Starts looking at 23 year olds in a new light.
Re: Re: Re: (as Jeff)
Kids didn't do crap like this back in the 50s...
That is true. Not because they were all saints though, just because the technology didn't exist. For me, in High School in the 80s, it was Polaroids.
I abhor the thought of government coming in to "parent" our kids. They cannot even manage their own affairs. And to the chastity belts, I don't even know where to start with that.
Re: Re: As another thought (as Jeff)
I agree wholeheartedly.
When I was in school, it was Polaroids rather than cell phone pics, but it still happened.
As long as the person receiving/possessing the images is within the same immediate age range as the subject of the photos, where's the crime?
At worst, I see a detention/suspension for inappropriate behavior on campus, but nothing more. Unless the parents choose to do so.
Re: Re: Re: Re: As another thought (as Jeff)
So, then it is totally acceptable for your employer to search through your cell phone, briefcase, etc. I think most would take exception to that. I know I would, and I work as a contractor to the DoE which has more stringent restrictions than private sector.
While I agree with some of what has been said, I think that at times it goes too far and becomes detrimental.