http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5485313n&tag=related;photovideo is a clip from that story. It shows this MPAA representative participating in a BitTorrent swarm as a demo to CBS. But he's not just downloading, he's uploading content as well. Note the graphic showing chunks flowing FROM the center to the red connected peers on the edge. That's uploading content TO the swarm.
When my group started gigging, we found that "free" was terrible for marketing and gigging. To put it bluntly, when we did free gigs, we were treated like we were doing free gigs. When we charged as little as $50 ($12.50 for each four singers and the gas to get there), we had just as many gigs but they were better attended, the performance was better appreciated, and we were less jerked-around in our schedule.
We weren't awesome, and we knew that. We felt bad for charging anything (and often donated it back if the gig was a non-profit and if it was appropriate). All we wanted was an audience. The idea to charge was a suggestion by another group who had realized the same frustrations, it worked for them. It worked for us. It was a lesson learned, and if I were gigging today, there would be a fee.
Consumers like free, but they may not value it.
I'm not sure any of this translates to newspapers, FWIW.
The studios have been winning the piracy wars lately as evidenced by year over year improvements of the proportion of streamed content versus peer-to-peer content (for the past 3 years). This isn't just the on-demand stuff, there's a real hoarding mentality that is satisfied by the knowledge that permanent legal online distribution is now available.
Does Hollywood really want to reverse that trend?
It's suicide to take something available and make it unavailable. It just drives people back to those "other" services. You know the ones, "just right over there..."
> This is an invasion of privacy and the
> teacher should not only be sued but fired.
Maybe. I think it depends on the situation. These are 14-year-old kids we're talking about, not adults. And while I hate her tactics, I'm not sure that they are so damning as to make her lose a successful teaching career.
I grew up in Cowboy, Arizona (population 12,000 -- now a suburban megopolis of about a quarter million). But even then, you had no privacy. The lockers were regularly searched. Bathroom stalls had no doors. Students had zero privacy.
Life is different in a small town. Life is different for young students. A small community does give its teachers a LOT of latitude, including the right to be the moral police off-campus.
I want to hear both sides before coming down on one side or the other.
> As in the teacher has not had a chance to say why
> it was ok to abuse their position?
A loaded question, but, yes.
Look, this is a school that still practices corporal punishment (spanking)*. If due process for high-school students in Pearl, Mississippi, is merely summary judgment by a school staff member before getting hit by that staff member, then can't we imagine that it's okay that a 14-year-old girl's notes aren't really private? How many of you had to read aloud the private note you were caught passing in class?
To be a cheerleader, you have to cooperate with the sponsor**. Now, based on the reading and my vivid imagination, I think that Ms. Jackson (a freshman) was in some kind of online backstabbing campaign against the Cheer Captain (probably a senior). To put an end to it, coach Tommie Hill said she was going to ask everyone for their passwords. She found messages in Jackson's inbox that did indeed show that the squad thought Ms. Cheer Captain was a beee-otch and perhaps that the teacher was no better. Teacher made an example out of Ms. Jackson in much the same way that most very fervent Football schools deal with this -- quite directly.
Now, I MADE ALL OF THE ABOVE UP. But these are the facts ... She's 14. She has few to no rights. Especially in places like Pearl, Texas where Football is king and the coaches are Gods.
The Internet blossomed with no content industries. It was a bunch of people fingering one another (ummm RFC742), a lot of gopher, some telnet resources, a fair amount of IRC. The number of users and bandwidth consumption grew year/year at an astronomical pace and there was nary a content industry in site.
For myself, I started a personal web page and learned how to scan my photos and put them on line (yes, a two-step process). I also signed something from the NSFNET that promised I wouldn't use it for commercial purposes.
You guys are the Johnnie-Come-Latey's, welcome, but don't forget your P's and Q's.
How do we charge Andrew Cuomo with "issue theft?" He's created so many feel-good non-issues, usually resulting in needless restrictions our net freedoms rather than fighting any crime.
This has to be some kind of DPI-based fakery. Some piece of Roger's gear is answering as if it were the destination website and either inserting HTML code or HTTP response codes to make this work.
ISPs must stay out of the content stream, DPI should be used to investigate problems and for lawful intercept -- not to push the ISP's services, regardless of how useful.
On the matter of "Did I mention they've turned off my phone until I pay?" ... one of the things we've criticized is that wireless companies let the bills mount up and then send a huge bill at the end of the month.
Apparently they're not doing that any more. I know Adam's angry right now, but keeping an $11,000 bill from becoming a $100,000 bill is probably a Good Thing(tm). Still, it doesn't solve the root matter of why these charges are so insanely high in the first place.
1.
And I got the "data is charged at .015 cents, or a penny and a half, per kb". About to try to explain the difference to them. Sigh.
3 minutes ago from web
2.
They're claiming I uploaded/downloaded 9 million kilobytes (9 gigs) while in Canada. Frakking impossible.
5 minutes ago from web
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@sleepingbri you read it right. $11,000.00
about 1 hour ago from web in reply to sleepingbri
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Did I mention they've turned off my phone until I pay? #attsucks
about 1 hour ago from web
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Almost forgot: Hey AT&T! I will fight this bullshit.
about 1 hour ago from web
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Text messaging fees are stupid robbery? (they are), AT&T is attempting to charge me 11k for a few hours of web surfing in Canada. Pls RT!
about 1 hour ago from web
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@virgiliocorrado I believe the RIAA to be a bunch of venal idiots. I don't think much of the MPAA either for that matter.
2:23 PM Jun 24th from TwitterFon
-- QUOTE --
Bandwidth is going to increase. Those who attempt to cap it or limit it are only going to make their own pipes significantly less valuable. However, those who recognize how empowering more bandwidth can be, and how approaching "infinite bandwidth" opens up the possibility for new services and apps that we can't even fathom today, will start to realize that providing ever more bandwidth increases value and clamping down on bandwidth kills value.
--- ENDQUOTE ---
Of course I agree with the above paragraph, but the line that preceded it, 'So, all these arguments over "net neutrality" and "metered billing" are missing the point.' is a problem.
The USA has moved from Internet leader to Internet laggard. We can't invent the future of tomorrow on the network of yesterday. It's hard to see the road ahead from last place.
If I'm developing an application for Asia, I have to imagine a low-end customer as having access to 20 Mbps on fiber. For the U.S., I don't have to imagine -- it's 1.5 Mbps on twisted pair. Have you seen those Asian social websites? They take a long time to load here in the U.S. because they're very bandwidth intensive (plus the distance-added latency which further affects speed).
Our broadband overlords are wasting time looking fondly at the past of CompuServe charging $12.50 an hour ($6 if you were at 300 baud). Their bumper sticker says, "As a matter of fact, I do own the God-damned Information Superhighway." That thinking is holding us back. We could ignore them if we could get some competition, but aside from having 14 different junction boxes on every home in America, these same overlords are in charge of the competition as well.
McDonald's has vicarious liability for the acts of its employees who are acting within the scope of their employment. McDonalds has a dining room where people go, sit, and eat. Sometimes, those customers leave things behind. Those facts puts dealing with customers' left-behind items in the scope of employment of McDonald's workers.
I think ringtones are the most awful representations of music available. Those tinny-sounding snippets do the concept of music a complete disservice. Whatever happened to a phone just ringing?
To call it a "public performance" is being gracious, but to do so in a court filing borders on perjury.
-- QUOTE--
Remove the record labels, and we are back to a society with tens of thousands of bar bands, nothing more - few will ever happen to get past that status.
-- ENDQUOTE --
Every year for the past many years, one of my favorite Seattle bands, The Coats http://www.thecoats.net/ would make a trip through Portland. I've purchased most of their recordings. They are unsigned. They've published 10 albums. (They're great, by the way.)
But think about those 10,000 bar bands. Do you really think that the first step to getting famous is to start selling CD's? HECK NO! Even if they can get one recorded, no one buys one until they can get heard. They start gigging until they get a few people willing to take home a CD for a few bucks (believe me, they are so thrilled that they feel a little guilty for selling them). But that income remains a side income for a very long time.
Selling your recordings is one of the later privileges in the music business. It's certainly not part of the music creation process, rather it is a result of it.
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Re: Let me get this straight? (as Robb Topolski)
Sorry, hit the Enter key in the subject box.
Did you say this was Wolfgang Werle and his half-brother Manfred Lauber? Those killers of Bavarian actor Walter Sedlmayr?
Good to know.
Let me get this straight? (as Robb Topolski)
Video Shows that MPAA itself contributing to Piracy (as Robb Topolski)
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5485313n&tag=related;photovideo is a clip from that story. It shows this MPAA representative participating in a BitTorrent swarm as a demo to CBS. But he's not just downloading, he's uploading content as well. Note the graphic showing chunks flowing FROM the center to the red connected peers on the edge. That's uploading content TO the swarm.
Nice.
Well, kinda it does ... (as Robb Topolski)
Consumers have a weird relationship with "free."
When my group started gigging, we found that "free" was terrible for marketing and gigging. To put it bluntly, when we did free gigs, we were treated like we were doing free gigs. When we charged as little as $50 ($12.50 for each four singers and the gas to get there), we had just as many gigs but they were better attended, the performance was better appreciated, and we were less jerked-around in our schedule.
We weren't awesome, and we knew that. We felt bad for charging anything (and often donated it back if the gig was a non-profit and if it was appropriate). All we wanted was an audience. The idea to charge was a suggestion by another group who had realized the same frustrations, it worked for them. It worked for us. It was a lesson learned, and if I were gigging today, there would be a fee.
Consumers like free, but they may not value it.
I'm not sure any of this translates to newspapers, FWIW.
Robb
Way to chase users underground! (as Robb Topolski)
The studios have been winning the piracy wars lately as evidenced by year over year improvements of the proportion of streamed content versus peer-to-peer content (for the past 3 years). This isn't just the on-demand stuff, there's a real hoarding mentality that is satisfied by the knowledge that permanent legal online distribution is now available.
Does Hollywood really want to reverse that trend?
It's suicide to take something available and make it unavailable. It just drives people back to those "other" services. You know the ones, "just right over there..."
Dumbasses.
They're not entitled, but it's a logical step ... (as Robb Topolski)
I can see a rights-holder encouraging the use of its art, but I think that's a good marketing thing to do and not some kind of entitlement.
What this has proven to me was that the people who have been saying that the music itself tends to promote the music have been proven right.
Re: Re: Re: Not Weighing In (as Robb Topolski)
Damn, the URL didn't work. Let's try http://tinyurl.com/ls8lym
Re: Unbelivable! (as Robb Topolski)
> This is an invasion of privacy and the
> teacher should not only be sued but fired.
Maybe. I think it depends on the situation. These are 14-year-old kids we're talking about, not adults. And while I hate her tactics, I'm not sure that they are so damning as to make her lose a successful teaching career.
I grew up in Cowboy, Arizona (population 12,000 -- now a suburban megopolis of about a quarter million). But even then, you had no privacy. The lockers were regularly searched. Bathroom stalls had no doors. Students had zero privacy.
Life is different in a small town. Life is different for young students. A small community does give its teachers a LOT of latitude, including the right to be the moral police off-campus.
I want to hear both sides before coming down on one side or the other.
Re: Re: (as Robb Topolski)
No, that was me who was not signed in. :)
Re: Re: Not Weighing In (as Robb Topolski)
> As in the teacher has not had a chance to say why
> it was ok to abuse their position?
A loaded question, but, yes.
Look, this is a school that still practices corporal punishment (spanking)*. If due process for high-school students in Pearl, Mississippi, is merely summary judgment by a school staff member before getting hit by that staff member, then can't we imagine that it's okay that a 14-year-old girl's notes aren't really private? How many of you had to read aloud the private note you were caught passing in class?
To be a cheerleader, you have to cooperate with the sponsor**. Now, based on the reading and my vivid imagination, I think that Ms. Jackson (a freshman) was in some kind of online backstabbing campaign against the Cheer Captain (probably a senior). To put an end to it, coach Tommie Hill said she was going to ask everyone for their passwords. She found messages in Jackson's inbox that did indeed show that the squad thought Ms. Cheer Captain was a beee-otch and perhaps that the teacher was no better. Teacher made an example out of Ms. Jackson in much the same way that most very fervent Football schools deal with this -- quite directly.
Now, I MADE ALL OF THE ABOVE UP. But these are the facts ... She's 14. She has few to no rights. Especially in places like Pearl, Texas where Football is king and the coaches are Gods.
Robb
*http://www.pearl.k12.ms.us/schools/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=%2BzVTWWLX9xc%3D&tabid =547&mid=1201 (page 24)
**page 31
Not Weighing In (as Robb Topolski)
A Google search tells me that "Tommie" is not a new teacher. I don't want to make guesses either way, but I read this as a one-sided story so far.
Content Industries? Where were you back in 1990? (as Robb Topolski)
The Internet blossomed with no content industries. It was a bunch of people fingering one another (ummm RFC742), a lot of gopher, some telnet resources, a fair amount of IRC. The number of users and bandwidth consumption grew year/year at an astronomical pace and there was nary a content industry in site.
For myself, I started a personal web page and learned how to scan my photos and put them on line (yes, a two-step process). I also signed something from the NSFNET that promised I wouldn't use it for commercial purposes.
You guys are the Johnnie-Come-Latey's, welcome, but don't forget your P's and Q's.
ThankQs.
(as Robb Topolski)
How do we charge Andrew Cuomo with "issue theft?" He's created so many feel-good non-issues, usually resulting in needless restrictions our net freedoms rather than fighting any crime.
So how are they doing this? (as Robb Topolski)
This has to be some kind of DPI-based fakery. Some piece of Roger's gear is answering as if it were the destination website and either inserting HTML code or HTTP response codes to make this work.
ISPs must stay out of the content stream, DPI should be used to investigate problems and for lawful intercept -- not to push the ISP's services, regardless of how useful.
Oh, yeah... and they cut him off (why this is probably good) (as Robb Topolski)
On the matter of "Did I mention they've turned off my phone until I pay?" ... one of the things we've criticized is that wireless companies let the bills mount up and then send a huge bill at the end of the month.
Apparently they're not doing that any more. I know Adam's angry right now, but keeping an $11,000 bill from becoming a $100,000 bill is probably a Good Thing(tm). Still, it doesn't solve the root matter of why these charges are so insanely high in the first place.
I love his twitter history... (as Robb Topolski)
(in reverse order)
Net Neutrality - Lead, Follow, or Get Out of the Way (as Robb Topolski)
-- QUOTE --
Bandwidth is going to increase. Those who attempt to cap it or limit it are only going to make their own pipes significantly less valuable. However, those who recognize how empowering more bandwidth can be, and how approaching "infinite bandwidth" opens up the possibility for new services and apps that we can't even fathom today, will start to realize that providing ever more bandwidth increases value and clamping down on bandwidth kills value.
--- ENDQUOTE ---
Of course I agree with the above paragraph, but the line that preceded it, 'So, all these arguments over "net neutrality" and "metered billing" are missing the point.' is a problem.
The USA has moved from Internet leader to Internet laggard. We can't invent the future of tomorrow on the network of yesterday. It's hard to see the road ahead from last place.
If I'm developing an application for Asia, I have to imagine a low-end customer as having access to 20 Mbps on fiber. For the U.S., I don't have to imagine -- it's 1.5 Mbps on twisted pair. Have you seen those Asian social websites? They take a long time to load here in the U.S. because they're very bandwidth intensive (plus the distance-added latency which further affects speed).
Our broadband overlords are wasting time looking fondly at the past of CompuServe charging $12.50 an hour ($6 if you were at 300 baud). Their bumper sticker says, "As a matter of fact, I do own the God-damned Information Superhighway." That thinking is holding us back. We could ignore them if we could get some competition, but aside from having 14 different junction boxes on every home in America, these same overlords are in charge of the competition as well.
They are in our way.
I side with the customer on this one... (as Robb Topolski)
McDonald's has vicarious liability for the acts of its employees who are acting within the scope of their employment. McDonalds has a dining room where people go, sit, and eat. Sometimes, those customers leave things behind. Those facts puts dealing with customers' left-behind items in the scope of employment of McDonald's workers.
(not a lawyer)
Wrong Tactic - ASCAP should be suing to force operators to stop using songs as ringtones (as Robb Topolski)
I think ringtones are the most awful representations of music available. Those tinny-sounding snippets do the concept of music a complete disservice. Whatever happened to a phone just ringing?
To call it a "public performance" is being gracious, but to do so in a court filing borders on perjury.
Re: Re: (as Robb Topolski)
-- QUOTE--
Remove the record labels, and we are back to a society with tens of thousands of bar bands, nothing more - few will ever happen to get past that status.
-- ENDQUOTE --
Every year for the past many years, one of my favorite Seattle bands, The Coats http://www.thecoats.net/ would make a trip through Portland. I've purchased most of their recordings. They are unsigned. They've published 10 albums. (They're great, by the way.)
But think about those 10,000 bar bands. Do you really think that the first step to getting famous is to start selling CD's? HECK NO! Even if they can get one recorded, no one buys one until they can get heard. They start gigging until they get a few people willing to take home a CD for a few bucks (believe me, they are so thrilled that they feel a little guilty for selling them). But that income remains a side income for a very long time.
Selling your recordings is one of the later privileges in the music business. It's certainly not part of the music creation process, rather it is a result of it.