Re: Re: Re: It's OK to "hold off what technology allows"
the pirates pay zero in taxes. The content community pays plenty. Which one will the government support?
Thank you for sharing this truly scary idea. Yes, government automatically follows the lead of "the content community" because they pay more money. How could anything else be true?
So, the best government money can buy? What happened to the ideal of equality in rights and duties?
This also manages to ignore the fact that the much-vilified "Pirates!" are just people, People who pay their taxes, buy products and services and vote, While "The Content Community" is largely made up of massive multinational rights-holding corporations that use endless legal loopholes and favorable tax laws to wriggle out of any tax burden at all.
The Pirate Party is just the tip of the iceberg, citizens committed to the idea that they should not be stripped of more and more rights, over and over, simply to maintain the status of these self-entitled Content Overlords.
There is also no way to disable these buttons or otherwise remove the functions from the flashed-in branded OS crapware that all the carriers inflict on their phones.
Friend of the family got into a huge tussle over these push-button charges with their carrier. Apparently a slightly more mature (ok, elderly) family member would often press the little web services button because it was near the answer-call button.
This kicked over a charge every single time. When asked at the store, the sales/repair crew had no way to disable or limit that key or remove the function. When wrestling with the billing department they just hit a stone wall of "our computers show he was accessing the data plan, nothing we can do"
iirc they eventually got fed up, paid up and broke contract to switch to prepaid phones.
Please don't get people wrong when they attack some of the policies of the Organization. From the inside I am sure there are many examples of how this kind of "suggestion" from leadership is quietly ignored or corrected, but from the outside the entire Scouting system looks very monolithic.
If you want to have a future, if you want the Scouts to have a future, you have to fight from within for reform. Escape industry-controlled "advice", embrace inclusiveness, reform the way GBLT Scouts and Scoutmasters are treated.
You can walk into any job interview, say "I'm an Eagle Scout" and walk out with your first promotion. What other membership, what other achievement, gets you that?
Every time scout leadership lets things like this mag' article happen, this becomes less true.
Every "morally straight" (You will maintain honest and open relationships with others) wanna-be scout who is turned away for being gay makes this less true.
If you, and your Scoutmaster, and all of your scouts and scout families, do not work to change this "I'm an Eagle Scout" will only be more synonymous with "I am indoctrinated in religious and social bigotry and discrimination"
and for your information, my father is an Eagle Scout and spent several years as a Webelo Scoutmaster. He left when the church who hosted the space started to insist on more religious interference. (the church-scouting connection is also troubling for many)
Where are the vitriol-spewing bloggers to call yahoo the spawn of satan?
Where are the DAs (at least the ones who couldnt get in on that Craig's List thing) to Champion The Protection of The People in demanding special internet-fairness hearings?
News releases by officials broadcast from the google headquarters to assure us all that "every step is being taken"
its almost like the people who are being encouraged and funded to attack the Big G don't dare say a cross word about anyone else.
Where are the vitriol-spewing bloggers to call yahoo the spawn of satan?
Where are the DAs (at least the ones who couldnt get in on that Craig's List thing) to Champion The Protection of The People in demanding special internet-fairness hearings?
News releases by officials broadcast from the google headquarters to assure us all that "every step is being taken"
its almost like the people who are being encouraged and funded to attack the Big G don't dare say a cross word about anyone else.
Where are the vitriol-spewing bloggers to call yahoo the spawn of satan?
Where are the DAs (at least the ones who couldnt get in on that Craig's List thing) to Champion The Protection of The People in demanding special internet-fairness hearings?
News releases by officials broadcast from the google headquarters to assure us all that "every step is being taken"
its almost like the people who are being encouraged and funded to attack the Big G don't dare say a cross word about anyone else.
Where are the vitriol-spewing bloggers to call yahoo the spawn of satan?
Where are the DAs (at least the ones who couldnt get in on that Craig's List thing) to Champion The Protection of The People in demanding special internet-fairness hearings?
News releases by officials broadcast from the google headquarters to assure us all that "every step is being taken"
its almost like the people who are being encouraged and funded to attack the Big G don't dare say a cross word about anyone else.
Where are the vitriol-spewing bloggers to call yahoo the spawn of satan?
Where are the DAs (at least the ones who couldnt get in on that Craig's List thing) to Champion The Protection of The People in demanding special internet-fairness hearings?
News releases by officials broadcast from the google headquarters to assure us all that "every step is being taken"
its almost like the people who are being encouraged and funded to attack the Big G don't dare say a cross word about anyone else.
Thanks for repeating a falsehood and proving that you never had any interest in a meaningful discussion.
simply put, because i want to make sure you catch on, Craigslist never made any money off any posting in the adult section. After a bushel of legal threats from varied statesmen who wanted to get publicity, CL caved and started to charge a small fee for making posts.. i am not sure what exactly this was meant to do. Something about having credit card receipts. Some of this money was used to pay ever-increasing staff to hand-screen every adult ad while more was donated through the Craigslist Foundation and related concerns.
Once this was established, many of the same mindless statesmen came back around to show how Outraged they are that CL is Profiting From These Immoral Bad People! and began the leaning process again.
written even more simply..
I Demand You Take Money For That Or Else!
How Dare You Take Money For That!
To say that this illegal activity will just go elsewhere is known, but it means CL is ONE LESS place THE POLICE can go, making it HARDER and NOT EASIER to PREVENT their illegal activity.
-- with each receiving the equivalent today of $30,000 per year --
The actual amount would of course have been lower. This is simply making the conversion to todays money to prevent comments like "a 20 dollar pension?! that guy was insane!"
I wish Google Books had more of a browsable "shelf", like some of the library systems are starting to have. I really want to see what books would be next to the one I'm looking at, if I were actually in a library.
This is an interesting statement and (to me) an important one. All venues, be they libraries or bookstores, serve two basic functions. They act as a Source, that is they actually make the books available to you to buy, borrow, etc. They have the books and get them to you. But they also act (in a small way) as a Filter, what is available, what is not, so on. Since even the digital bookshelves are not quite infinite, the context matters more and more as things jockey for position.
So as the actual sourcing of material grows more diverse and we could purchase anything from anywhere, we have to search harder and harder to find a good filter. This ability to (more or less) get people what they are looking for has served google well as a search engine and we are seeing similar "if you like this, try that" efforts from groups like Amazon and Netflix
The part below the bold "How About Some Data Management.." text is the area we like to call the Post. In a comment system as used here on Techdirt, the Post is the part you read and respond to.
Sure, I know its more fun to read the title of the post, jump to a random conclusion and then fire off a sarcastic post, but it really does not add to the overall conversation.
Now, a real reply would be:
That sounds actually great, Kingster. Sadly such a simple plan would require a 20billion dollar budget and bids from every advanced computing firm who wanted that delicious plum. 40bill and 5 years from now when that project was scrapped as unworkable, we will have come up with something else for no good reason.
Or we could get google* to create a tool for this that runs on a new Secure-Android operating system, allowing for real-time crossgroup data sharing and mining while creating security for everyone.
*google used here as a placeholder for a random corp with the programming brainpower to do the job but without the longstanding security contracts/delicious money-printer agreements that corrupt anyone working alongside the overall security world.
darryl, pay close attention. The RIAA is not burning through billable hours to catch killers. Or rapists, molesters, animal-abusers, people who spit gum on the sidewalk or even thieves.
They are engaging in massive numbers of civil suits, legal threats, name-calling and vote-buying activities. They are taking these actions despite the enormous costs in an attempt to hold back a tide and stop the sun in the sky. This is not "law enforcement". The only thing that is being "enforced and upheld" is the creaking structure of a few meddling groups at the expense of actual law enforcement and citizens, even those citizens that the special interest groups claim to be serving. ("we are making sure our artists get paid" comes from one side of the talking heads while "no checks for you, we decided to keep everything you earned" comes from the other)
And another important note, the way you conflate the actions of a handful of multi-national conglomerate corporations with "governments and authorities" is deeply frightening.
Let us all bow before the capricious big-money overlords and their jack boot enforcers.. remember, infringement is theft And piracy And terrorism And anything else we decide to call it.
Now pay me for the rights to remember this post or we will have to beat it out of your head on the way to PirateTerroristThief Jail.
No reply from Cleland? how shocking and surprising.
Seems to me that the only reason someone wouldn't respond to a total and complete reply (like Mike's) is if they knew that they were coming from a position entirely without merit to begin with.
Thank you, Mr Scott. Your silence is speaking volumes about you.
I'm arguing that what Google collected wasn't publicly accessible at all.
an unencrypted wireless hotspot, whether in your home or in a coffee shop, is Incredibly accessible. All of the data moving across and through is likewise accessible.
This is not a case of peeking through windows or trying to lean close enough to hear someones phone conversation. This is making a note of where you saw the lit billboard with BELKINWIRELESS ROUTERHOME written across it, or where you heard an announcement across a PA system "WIRELESS CONNECTION ON AISLE TWELVE! PLEASE TAKE INFORMATION FROM THIS WIRELESS CONNECTION"
Starting to whimper and moan about Wiretapping legislation and claiming the entire body of evidence shows "intentional" activity is just silly.
I do not recall any claim from mike that he was an all-knowing figure of ultimate wisdom, merely that these are items and stories that were interesting to him, delivered with commentary from himself and various other experts.
Unlike a traditional media outlet, there is no desperation to set himself up as an ultimate authority with backup from the government. No one is even forced to come here, read anything, or post. So feel free to roll up your astroturf, take your bat and head home.
Back to the story at hand, we have big business and small alike coming away from a small event, possibly making more headway then all the lobbyists and all the lawyers combined. ignoring that would simply be, well, ignorant.
Demonstrating an interesting persecution complex there.
Wouldn't you think that mike and the entire techdirt gang could do better then "the same person comes into every thread and attempts to shout me down"? Why not simply delete every post you make, or edit them to make everything agree with whatever they say?
Instead you fear that there are shadowy figures lurking throughout the site, all tied together in some mysterious payroll scheme that pays every time one of your ridiculous "points" is disagreed with.
Because the other option is realizing that the common denominator in all of your failed arguments is.. wait for it.. you.
The industries also love this plan since it takes the burden off of them.
"whats that? you are receiving bad connections due to the 'neutrality filter'? gee, we would like to help, but we were forced to install that by Law, so our hands are tied. Of course, if you upgraded maybe we could.."
Second, Mr. Masnick's blanket assertion: "The whole point of search is to be biased" completely contradicts Google's public representations.
* Google's website claims: "We never manipulate rankings to put our partners higher in our search results and no one can buy better PageRank."
The entire point of a modern search engine Is to be biased. If i simply wanted to scroll through a thousand-page list of websites that included the words "Cooking" "Time" "For" "Boiled" "Egg" to find a cooking site and information on cooking an egg.. well, i wouldnt want to. I want to find the "best" match, which current algorithms say is http://whatscookingamerica.net/Eggs/BoiledEggs.htm
Notice how i was not sent to a dictionary site that tries to link every imaginable word combination, and i was not sent to the application form for a paid-subscription cooking site because they paid off my search provider. I got a result that was biased (towards being correct) and transparent (the companies involved were not misleading me or hiding a connection)
You go out of your way to purposefully mix up terms and take tiny quotes out of their context to shape a "compelling" story.
Aha, they say that being transparent is good, and then someone else says that they don't want certain details of their ranking algorithms made public! Shock! Gasp! Moral Outrage!
What kind of headlines are next? "When Will Google Reply To Questions About Their Cannibalistic Orgies?" "New Google Technology Takes Over Internet Forever*!"
*at a closer look, you seem to be claiming this already.
All of the action-packed bulletpoints you make are questionable, many leading to an interwoven nest of "google action! sites" and the others leading to pdf.. PDFs for goodness sake, full of buzzwords and "Oddly Designed Phrases"
shameful, Scott. very shameful.
I wont claim that your head is in the sand, but it might well be somewhere else.. and is sure is dark there.
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Re:
See how silly that sounds?
On the post: Cory Doctorow Explains Why 'Free' Isn't His Concern; But Restrictions On Individual Rights Are
Re: Re: Re: It's OK to "hold off what technology allows"
Thank you for sharing this truly scary idea. Yes, government automatically follows the lead of "the content community" because they pay more money. How could anything else be true?
So, the best government money can buy? What happened to the ideal of equality in rights and duties?
This also manages to ignore the fact that the much-vilified "Pirates!" are just people, People who pay their taxes, buy products and services and vote, While "The Content Community" is largely made up of massive multinational rights-holding corporations that use endless legal loopholes and favorable tax laws to wriggle out of any tax burden at all.
The Pirate Party is just the tip of the iceberg, citizens committed to the idea that they should not be stripped of more and more rights, over and over, simply to maintain the status of these self-entitled Content Overlords.
On the post: Verizon Wireless To Pay $90 Million Back To Users For $1.99 Data Fees It Insisted It Never Wrongly Charged
Re: AT&T does the same thing
Friend of the family got into a huge tussle over these push-button charges with their carrier. Apparently a slightly more mature (ok, elderly) family member would often press the little web services button because it was near the answer-call button.
This kicked over a charge every single time. When asked at the store, the sales/repair crew had no way to disable or limit that key or remove the function. When wrestling with the billing department they just hit a stone wall of "our computers show he was accessing the data plan, nothing we can do"
iirc they eventually got fed up, paid up and broke contract to switch to prepaid phones.
On the post: Boy Scout Magazine Says Don't Listen To Legally Burned CDs, As They're Too Similar To Piracy
Re: Re: Antiquated much?
Please don't get people wrong when they attack some of the policies of the Organization. From the inside I am sure there are many examples of how this kind of "suggestion" from leadership is quietly ignored or corrected, but from the outside the entire Scouting system looks very monolithic.
If you want to have a future, if you want the Scouts to have a future, you have to fight from within for reform. Escape industry-controlled "advice", embrace inclusiveness, reform the way GBLT Scouts and Scoutmasters are treated.
Every time scout leadership lets things like this mag' article happen, this becomes less true.
Every "morally straight" (You will maintain honest and open relationships with others) wanna-be scout who is turned away for being gay makes this less true.
If you, and your Scoutmaster, and all of your scouts and scout families, do not work to change this "I'm an Eagle Scout" will only be more synonymous with "I am indoctrinated in religious and social bigotry and discrimination"
and for your information, my father is an Eagle Scout and spent several years as a Webelo Scoutmaster. He left when the church who hosted the space started to insist on more religious interference. (the church-scouting connection is also troubling for many)
On the post: Yahoo Happily Admits It Manipulates Ad Auctions To Get Advertisers To Bid More
Where are the vitriol-spewing bloggers to call yahoo the spawn of satan?
Where are the DAs (at least the ones who couldnt get in on that Craig's List thing) to Champion The Protection of The People in demanding special internet-fairness hearings?
News releases by officials broadcast from the google headquarters to assure us all that "every step is being taken"
its almost like the people who are being encouraged and funded to attack the Big G don't dare say a cross word about anyone else.
you know. its just interesting.
On the post: Yahoo Happily Admits It Manipulates Ad Auctions To Get Advertisers To Bid More
Where are the vitriol-spewing bloggers to call yahoo the spawn of satan?
Where are the DAs (at least the ones who couldnt get in on that Craig's List thing) to Champion The Protection of The People in demanding special internet-fairness hearings?
News releases by officials broadcast from the google headquarters to assure us all that "every step is being taken"
its almost like the people who are being encouraged and funded to attack the Big G don't dare say a cross word about anyone else.
you know. its just interesting.
On the post: Yahoo Happily Admits It Manipulates Ad Auctions To Get Advertisers To Bid More
Where are the vitriol-spewing bloggers to call yahoo the spawn of satan?
Where are the DAs (at least the ones who couldnt get in on that Craig's List thing) to Champion The Protection of The People in demanding special internet-fairness hearings?
News releases by officials broadcast from the google headquarters to assure us all that "every step is being taken"
its almost like the people who are being encouraged and funded to attack the Big G don't dare say a cross word about anyone else.
you know. its just interesting.
On the post: Yahoo Happily Admits It Manipulates Ad Auctions To Get Advertisers To Bid More
Where are the vitriol-spewing bloggers to call yahoo the spawn of satan?
Where are the DAs (at least the ones who couldnt get in on that Craig's List thing) to Champion The Protection of The People in demanding special internet-fairness hearings?
News releases by officials broadcast from the google headquarters to assure us all that "every step is being taken"
its almost like the people who are being encouraged and funded to attack the Big G don't dare say a cross word about anyone else.
you know. its just interesting.
On the post: Yahoo Happily Admits It Manipulates Ad Auctions To Get Advertisers To Bid More
Where are the vitriol-spewing bloggers to call yahoo the spawn of satan?
Where are the DAs (at least the ones who couldnt get in on that Craig's List thing) to Champion The Protection of The People in demanding special internet-fairness hearings?
News releases by officials broadcast from the google headquarters to assure us all that "every step is being taken"
its almost like the people who are being encouraged and funded to attack the Big G don't dare say a cross word about anyone else.
you know. its just interesting.
On the post: Groups Still Slamming Craigslist
Re: Its the law, live with it, break it or move.
Thanks for repeating a falsehood and proving that you never had any interest in a meaningful discussion.
simply put, because i want to make sure you catch on, Craigslist never made any money off any posting in the adult section. After a bushel of legal threats from varied statesmen who wanted to get publicity, CL caved and started to charge a small fee for making posts.. i am not sure what exactly this was meant to do. Something about having credit card receipts. Some of this money was used to pay ever-increasing staff to hand-screen every adult ad while more was donated through the Craigslist Foundation and related concerns.
Once this was established, many of the same mindless statesmen came back around to show how Outraged they are that CL is Profiting From These Immoral Bad People! and began the leaning process again.
written even more simply..
I Demand You Take Money For That Or Else!
How Dare You Take Money For That!
To say that this illegal activity will just go elsewhere is known, but it means CL is ONE LESS place THE POLICE can go, making it HARDER and NOT EASIER to PREVENT their illegal activity.
On the post: Would Photography Have Been Different If It Had Been Patented Up?
Re: Re:
-- with each receiving the equivalent today of $30,000 per year --
The actual amount would of course have been lower. This is simply making the conversion to todays money to prevent comments like "a 20 dollar pension?! that guy was insane!"
On the post: New Research Suggest Google Book Search Helps Publishers A Lot More Than It Hurts
Re:
I wish Google Books had more of a browsable "shelf", like some of the library systems are starting to have. I really want to see what books would be next to the one I'm looking at, if I were actually in a library.
This is an interesting statement and (to me) an important one. All venues, be they libraries or bookstores, serve two basic functions. They act as a Source, that is they actually make the books available to you to buy, borrow, etc. They have the books and get them to you. But they also act (in a small way) as a Filter, what is available, what is not, so on. Since even the digital bookshelves are not quite infinite, the context matters more and more as things jockey for position.
So as the actual sourcing of material grows more diverse and we could purchase anything from anywhere, we have to search harder and harder to find a good filter. This ability to (more or less) get people what they are looking for has served google well as a search engine and we are seeing similar "if you like this, try that" efforts from groups like Amazon and Netflix
On the post: To Find Needles In Haystacks, US Gov't Has Built Hundreds Of New Haystacks
Re: Re: How about some data management...
The part below the bold "How About Some Data Management.." text is the area we like to call the Post. In a comment system as used here on Techdirt, the Post is the part you read and respond to.
Sure, I know its more fun to read the title of the post, jump to a random conclusion and then fire off a sarcastic post, but it really does not add to the overall conversation.
Now, a real reply would be:
That sounds actually great, Kingster. Sadly such a simple plan would require a 20billion dollar budget and bids from every advanced computing firm who wanted that delicious plum. 40bill and 5 years from now when that project was scrapped as unworkable, we will have come up with something else for no good reason.
Or we could get google* to create a tool for this that runs on a new Secure-Android operating system, allowing for real-time crossgroup data sharing and mining while creating security for everyone.
*google used here as a placeholder for a random corp with the programming brainpower to do the job but without the longstanding security contracts/delicious money-printer agreements that corrupt anyone working alongside the overall security world.
On the post: RIAA Spent $17.6 Million In Lawsuits... To Get $391,000 In Settlements?
Re: Law enforcement is not a business model...
They are engaging in massive numbers of civil suits, legal threats, name-calling and vote-buying activities. They are taking these actions despite the enormous costs in an attempt to hold back a tide and stop the sun in the sky. This is not "law enforcement". The only thing that is being "enforced and upheld" is the creaking structure of a few meddling groups at the expense of actual law enforcement and citizens, even those citizens that the special interest groups claim to be serving. ("we are making sure our artists get paid" comes from one side of the talking heads while "no checks for you, we decided to keep everything you earned" comes from the other)
And another important note, the way you conflate the actions of a handful of multi-national conglomerate corporations with "governments and authorities" is deeply frightening.
Let us all bow before the capricious big-money overlords and their jack boot enforcers.. remember, infringement is theft And piracy And terrorism And anything else we decide to call it.
Now pay me for the rights to remember this post or we will have to beat it out of your head on the way to PirateTerroristThief Jail.
On the post: Why Google's Street View WiFi Data Collection Was Almost Certainly An Accident
Re: Re: Google apologia?
Seems to me that the only reason someone wouldn't respond to a total and complete reply (like Mike's) is if they knew that they were coming from a position entirely without merit to begin with.
Thank you, Mr Scott. Your silence is speaking volumes about you.
On the post: Why Google's Street View WiFi Data Collection Was Almost Certainly An Accident
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
an unencrypted wireless hotspot, whether in your home or in a coffee shop, is Incredibly accessible. All of the data moving across and through is likewise accessible.
This is not a case of peeking through windows or trying to lean close enough to hear someones phone conversation. This is making a note of where you saw the lit billboard with BELKINWIRELESS ROUTERHOME written across it, or where you heard an announcement across a PA system "WIRELESS CONNECTION ON AISLE TWELVE! PLEASE TAKE INFORMATION FROM THIS WIRELESS CONNECTION"
Starting to whimper and moan about Wiretapping legislation and claiming the entire body of evidence shows "intentional" activity is just silly.
On the post: No, We Didn't Save* Journalism, But We Did Generate A Lot Of Ideas
Re:
I do not recall any claim from mike that he was an all-knowing figure of ultimate wisdom, merely that these are items and stories that were interesting to him, delivered with commentary from himself and various other experts.
Unlike a traditional media outlet, there is no desperation to set himself up as an ultimate authority with backup from the government. No one is even forced to come here, read anything, or post. So feel free to roll up your astroturf, take your bat and head home.
Back to the story at hand, we have big business and small alike coming away from a small event, possibly making more headway then all the lobbyists and all the lawyers combined. ignoring that would simply be, well, ignorant.
On my own behalf,
Tek'a r.
On the post: Updated Research Showing, Yet Again, That Weaker Copyright Has Benefited Culture And Society
Re: Re: Re: Re:
Wouldn't you think that mike and the entire techdirt gang could do better then "the same person comes into every thread and attempts to shout me down"? Why not simply delete every post you make, or edit them to make everything agree with whatever they say?
Instead you fear that there are shadowy figures lurking throughout the site, all tied together in some mysterious payroll scheme that pays every time one of your ridiculous "points" is disagreed with.
Because the other option is realizing that the common denominator in all of your failed arguments is.. wait for it.. you.
On the post: Telcos May 'Agree' To Net Neutrality Legislation... That They Like
"whats that? you are receiving bad connections due to the 'neutrality filter'? gee, we would like to help, but we were forced to install that by Law, so our hands are tied. Of course, if you upgraded maybe we could.."
On the post: There Is No Such Thing As Search Neutrality, Because The Whole Point Of Search Is To Recommend What's Best
Re: Google's lack of search neutrality
a choice quote:
The entire point of a modern search engine Is to be biased. If i simply wanted to scroll through a thousand-page list of websites that included the words "Cooking" "Time" "For" "Boiled" "Egg" to find a cooking site and information on cooking an egg.. well, i wouldnt want to. I want to find the "best" match, which current algorithms say is http://whatscookingamerica.net/Eggs/BoiledEggs.htm
Notice how i was not sent to a dictionary site that tries to link every imaginable word combination, and i was not sent to the application form for a paid-subscription cooking site because they paid off my search provider. I got a result that was biased (towards being correct) and transparent (the companies involved were not misleading me or hiding a connection)
You go out of your way to purposefully mix up terms and take tiny quotes out of their context to shape a "compelling" story.
Aha, they say that being transparent is good, and then someone else says that they don't want certain details of their ranking algorithms made public! Shock! Gasp! Moral Outrage!
What kind of headlines are next? "When Will Google Reply To Questions About Their Cannibalistic Orgies?" "New Google Technology Takes Over Internet Forever*!"
*at a closer look, you seem to be claiming this already.
All of the action-packed bulletpoints you make are questionable, many leading to an interwoven nest of "google action! sites" and the others leading to pdf.. PDFs for goodness sake, full of buzzwords and "Oddly Designed Phrases"
shameful, Scott. very shameful.
I wont claim that your head is in the sand, but it might well be somewhere else.. and is sure is dark there.