Re: "Arrr! Pillage and plunder, me hearties!" -- Mike again cheering on pirates.
Big Media (sounds like something Bob would rally against) spends millions of dollars suing or threatening to sue everyone they can get their hands on, including their grandmothers, their printers, and their deceased (not to mention big media itself). They spend millions of dollars lobbying the government to put in place laws that take away rights of others. They spend millions of dollars on studies that can easily be proven false and are, quickly. They spend millions on "educational" campaigns that are instantly recognizable as bias baloney. All this leads to more and more people to go elsewhere for their entertainment.
Honestly, I wouldn't qualify just-holding-up as a big win. That sounds like a big loss to me since they seem to be doing everything in their power to kill themselves.
Let's look at this scientifically. Anti-piracy tactics have been put in place across the board; music, movies, games, and books all have this anti-piracy crap in them. So, if as you say the anti-piracy tactics were working then sales would be up across the board, right? But they're not. Why is that then?
Could it be other variables that you refuse to accept? Like say the creation of easier, legal methods like Spotify?
I'm sorry, but the numbers all add up to exactly what has been said here over and over again. You just refuse to take all the numbers into account.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: "figuring out ways to help provide the public what they want."
That's exactly it, and as AC pointed out, it is inaccurate. However it is a pointer, just a small piece of evidence that I can point to. Better evidence would require receipts, but who has receipts going back 20+ years?
"There are many companies who develop standards and codes."
And the vast majority of them aren't required by law. I could build and sell speakers without complying with THX or Dolby. I could make a custom interface for a computer without ever talking to IEEE.
Once that standard becomes law, it gets written down in said law. Someone in the government wrote that down and that is not able to be covered by copyright. If you have a problem with them copying your words, then you should sue them for payment.
I would also point out that if the phrase "Ignorance of the law is no excuse" is to be valid then that law needs to be freely available to anyone who may be subject to said law.
OK, I don't know much about the nuclear reactor regulations, but I do know that the meat manufacturers have to pay the FDA to come in and rate them. So logically, wouldn't the people who run the reactors have to pay to get the government to come in and inspect them? Wouldn't the fees required to get approval to run a nuclear reactor pay for the creation and updating (how does one maintain code?) of the regulations and codes?
Plus, since they are government mandated codes, how can they be copyrighted?
Re: "figuring out ways to help provide the public what they want."
"Well, there's a basic position entrenched in pirates that they won't pay"
Really? Where's your studies on that, where are your statistics? Because I'm sure that plenty of people here could easily point you to studies that show that pirates pay for more media then non-pirates.
"Neither have wasps, yet you wouldn't want even a small one to sting you."
Evolution vs. Digital; Digital is a hell of a lot faster. If something online doesn't change in years (hell, probably less then 1) it's obsolete and should go away. How long have you been making the same exact outdated and wrong arguments on this site?
"Every "new business model" here requires first getting valuable products -- including money and labor -- for free."
How is that different from anywhere else? Think about it, if I want to make a movie your way then I have to make something that can be pitched to a movie producer. I have no money, they're not going to pay me to make a script.
If I want to start a company I have to produce something that is worth buying before I can draw in investors. The investors aren't going to give me money with a promise of "I'll think up something good, I swear".
At least our way lets us keep control of the distribution platform. I don't think I could live giving my stuff away to a movie producer and praying that he will promote my movie, get it into theaters (that's a different prayer right there), and then pay me... ever.
To hell with the Internet, I've got somebody's Oscar.
"as Academy voters have other and better means of viewing the films"
There's the problem. They only care about getting the Oscar.
When all you care about is rewards, then fuck the Internet. If you're a true artist and want to get your stuff seen by everyone, the Internet is a godsend.
I would remind you that they have no idea who the pirates are. So they're not just watching those who download illegally, they're watching you as well. This is why people use encrypted VPNs, not to hide illegal actions, but to hide actions that private companies just don't need to know about.
I already spend half my time on the web using encrypted connections. Not for anything illegal, but because Google doesn't need to know where I surf all the time. If I don't want Google knowing where I'm going, just imagine what I think about an "independent" entity setup by a group that wants to take my freedoms away.