You said "I don't see him as a particularly impartial viewer of anonymous."
So, you only accept information from people who don't care about the subject? That's insane.
Of course, I know that's not really what you do. In truth, you only accept information from people who agree with you. That is also insane but is all too common.
You said "You can't debate something until you put it on a level playing field. This is certainly far from a level playing field right now.
Interesting "rules" you go by. Intelligent people debate things all the time starting from uneven starting positions. That's what debate is all about! What you are really saying is, because the debate is already favoring a position you don't like, we must ignore and discount all the factors that support that viewpoint.
So unproven assertions of guilt are a reason to shut down a site. Unproven assertions of the MAGNITUDE of the problem are a reason to over-react and "accidentally" stomp on free speech. Your own presumptions are SO good you feel that insulting me is an appropriate response.
I think your response is a good example why your position is dangerous for all who support innocent until PROVEN guilty and for all who defend free speech.
"You realize of course that the apps in question are based on the very technology developed in the patents? You realize that without the original patent ideas, the product might not even exist?"
You cannot understand that the apps in question were created without any knowledge or use of these patents. The patents in question were of no help in creating the app. Without those holy patents, the app would still have been created but, without those holy patents, the app could be used by those who need it.
We wouldn't be having this discussion without the patents because the little girl would be able to use the app. The patents are the problem, not the solution.
It isn't Google's data. Get it? The data comes from other user's searches, not some mysterious "Google repository of bad stuff". Do you think Google should stop users from making certain searches because "someone got upset"? And how would they do that?
Of course TPB wasn't found guilty in the US, so your argument is bogus. More to the point, how has MSFT determined that that specific link to one specific download is "illegal"? Hmmm? Do they have a vast array of researchers investigating every single link, interviewing the person who uploaded each one to verify the upload was legal, checking to guarantee they aren't blocking legitimate speech?
No, they just block and they don't care if they block legal downloads and legal free speech. And you can't see a single thing wrong with that?
Ever hear of the "presumption of innocence unless proven guilty"? You know, that pesky thing called "justice"?
The fact that "some people" consider "it" to be stealing isn't made clearer by agreeing with them. If by "it" they mean "copying" (which is what you are saying) then they are wrong. Using their ideas is wrong and stops discussion.
If, however, by "it" they mean "infringing" then they should say that to avoid confusion.
To continue to use "stealing" when the accurate term for what is illegal is "infringing" promotes the lie that all copying is stealing. Don't you think accuracy is better than hyperbole?
Why do you object to using the term "infringing" which is a quite accurate word to describe the exact type of copying that is illegal. Why insist on using a vague and sloppy term "stealing" when the exact, specific illegal action is "infringing"? Why be inaccurate when an accurate term exists?
Yet you make the absurd claim that "Copying" is "Stealing" when the words mean different things.
No one here (that I can see) is claiming that copying is legal, it may or may not be. But claiming that all copying is stealing is disingenuous. If, by copying, someone "obtains something they are not entitled to", that is wrong and accurately called "infringement".
You don't have to falsely conflate it with "stealing" to make it "more illegal". It's already illegal. Why argue about it? Infringement is illegal.