Logical Rings...not token...I will refer Google's infrastructure as is because that is how Fiber Optic networks work. The MSAU passes on the data so the user doesn't have to. Google's fiber lines are in LOGICAL RING TOPOLOGY....which has a tendency to utilize Star Topology to connect users to a node or MSAU. My issue isn't user's being forced to do something they are not aware of, it is Google promising users something that might not be possible at a certain distances...namely 100 meters....because of the limitations of the technology used to convert photons of infrared light (yes PHOTONS...not protons, neutrons or electrons..PHOTONS with the key word PHOTO which is GREEK for LIGHT and often used to refer to as particles of light) into electrical signals even if they are digital. The slowdown occurs because heavy shielding of copper coaxial cables can cause RF interference within the signal and thus the degragation rate is much slower.
Best analogy I can come up with is that phone companies that offer DSL or ADSL use fiber optics to transmit data over vast distances between various switchback stations. To locally connect users, they have to use the local copper phone lines set up by their own infrastructure. All Google has done is make the local connection to the switchback station a direct connection rather than connecting you to switch boards. Google's fiber connection is tapped into by the same switching methods phone companies use to connect to the switchbacks and it is done via the MSAU.
The MSAU by design is supposed to allow a pass-through of transmitted data in case one of the nodes goes out on a Ring Topology. You turning off your node (computer or modem take your pick) has no affect on the neighborhood. If it did, then it would a Token Ring network.
"Anyway, why should non-profits get a tax break anyway? If your cause is only supportable as a tax break for the donator then it is not much of a cause in the first place."
You can't possibly pay taxes on money you don't make for a profit of your own. Non-profit usually means that 100% of the cost is spent on running costs in an organization that relies on donations of monetary or intrinsic value.
Ummm...in doing what it did...the IRS violated multiple organizations constitutional rights. Most of the conservative groups audited for non-profit status were churches, half way houses, and other things run by conservative groups. So while "Citizen's United" had to wait 495 days to get approved, their liberal counterpart "Progress Texas" only took 12 days. Get the picture?
I am talking about the laws of physics here and how signals are processed over a wide variety of mediums. The only issue I have with Fiber Optics is that it is not bidirectional in transmission. The throughput of the FO medium makes up for it...but when you have to connect from Fiber to Copper...it causes a significant slowdown compared to what you could potentially get from tapping into a Fiber Optic network..which transmits data in one direction at a time per transmission (otherwise you need 2 fiber optic cable connections on your device...one for sending data..one for receiving data).
Now don't get me wrong here. 100 megabits is quite a fast in a synchronous connection...but Google is advertising 1Gigabit...and that really only depends on how far away you are from the nearest MSAU.
I'll give you that..but I was thinking about how the hell the modem would be able to keep up with that while the fiber optic signals are converted for use over a copper cable connection that said modem is attached to in your house. Google' infrastructure in your neighborhood is fiber optic. The connection from the MSAU node in your neighborhood to the patch into your house is copper wire. The connection from patch to modem is copper wire. That adds up.
So Google...who is currently making more than Apple...should pay that tax too because users of Android devices are "dirty little pirates" according to the French Gvt.? I mean after all...according to the French Gvt....ripping the CD's you own and putting them on a mobile device is definitely defining you as a pirate.
"The cynic in me can't help but think this entire scandal with the IRS is designed by the current regime to move the country to a different tax model that will end up being even worse than the current one."
What could possibly be worse than trying to streamline all non-profit organizations into a "one size fits all" category? That drive was one of the main causes for the large amount political hubris displayed by the recent scandal. They tried to streamline categories be key word search and started using words like "patriot" to pin to conservative groups. Orders on policy and procedure changes like that can only come from the top...Obama and his administration needs to be fired immediately.
Dude....have you even tried surfing the web at 1 megabit per second? That is only 128 kiloBYTES per second..a half hour to download a 20 megabyte file.
"What permits are you discussing? I have a gigabit network in my house and I didn't need any permits to put it in."
Did I ever say network??? I was talking about the installation of the fiberoptic connection to your house. That has nothing to do with installing a netowrk in your house.
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"Yes, if you have sub-par cabling over extended distances, it can (and will) cause problems. But who's going to run a gigabit network over one cable for more then 328'?"
I think that is where I went wrong...
The issue is that the modem Google deploys is not an MSAU...it is a standard router that uses copper cable to connect to the MSAU box that is located to provide your neighborhood with the service if anyone else chooses to opt in.. The MSAU is a part of a ring topology that allows you to connect to other rings. The reason Fiber optic networks require a ring topology is that light photons can be pushed in only one direction...I cannot remember what it is called, but to get around that you use an MSAU to connect to an inner ring in case one of the nodes goes bad. In Google's case the MSAU is used to transmit that data from the ring they set up to the MSAU to the modem/router they give you to connect to the internet.
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The best DSL speed I can get is 1.5 Mbs. Why?
It is because those are based on standard phone transmissions...DSL users are using JR11 phone cables to connect to their homes. They are not as durable or as shielded as Coaxial or Cat 5 and higher Ethernet cables. Hence the signal derogation.
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DSL is a standard...not a type of connection...BNC and Ethernet...those are types of connections. Cable companies use Ethernet based internet...but use RG6 and RG59 coaxial cables to transmit data so they can save on cost of reconstructing their infrastructure. That data includes the things we watch on TV as well as our internet. The only reason why Google can afford to do what they are doing is because they are using their own infrastructure from the ground up. Cable companies saw are building upon what they usually use.
Google's topology is in no way modern or new and would normally fit into the category of an OC2 connection standard in terms of speed.
Don't forget the installation fees are $300 plus the fees for local construction and zoning permits if applicable...that can reach as high as $1500 to $3000 in my area.
Comcast is the one who throttles Netflix in favor of their own services...not TimeWarner....I have Time Warner and have had not any issues what so ever with Netflix....are you happy that I completed the obvious?
While you can have gigabit equipment in your house, the topology Google is using stunts it to 100 Megabits once the total wired connection in your network exceeds 100 meters in length. Say you have 10 devices 10 meters away from your router, it is a one gigabit router that can handle each device at the same throughput of 0ne gigabit....the MSAU box Google deploys to your house can determine the total non-fiberoptic length of wire and for safety reasons...the standard makes the boxes lower the bandwidth of your network in general so photons of light do not end up frying your wires and router.
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Best analogy I can come up with is that phone companies that offer DSL or ADSL use fiber optics to transmit data over vast distances between various switchback stations. To locally connect users, they have to use the local copper phone lines set up by their own infrastructure. All Google has done is make the local connection to the switchback station a direct connection rather than connecting you to switch boards. Google's fiber connection is tapped into by the same switching methods phone companies use to connect to the switchbacks and it is done via the MSAU.
The MSAU by design is supposed to allow a pass-through of transmitted data in case one of the nodes goes out on a Ring Topology. You turning off your node (computer or modem take your pick) has no affect on the neighborhood. If it did, then it would a Token Ring network.
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You can't possibly pay taxes on money you don't make for a profit of your own. Non-profit usually means that 100% of the cost is spent on running costs in an organization that relies on donations of monetary or intrinsic value.
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Problem SOLVED!
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Now don't get me wrong here. 100 megabits is quite a fast in a synchronous connection...but Google is advertising 1Gigabit...and that really only depends on how far away you are from the nearest MSAU.
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What could possibly be worse than trying to streamline all non-profit organizations into a "one size fits all" category? That drive was one of the main causes for the large amount political hubris displayed by the recent scandal. They tried to streamline categories be key word search and started using words like "patriot" to pin to conservative groups. Orders on policy and procedure changes like that can only come from the top...Obama and his administration needs to be fired immediately.
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Did I ever say network??? I was talking about the installation of the fiberoptic connection to your house. That has nothing to do with installing a netowrk in your house.
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I think that is where I went wrong...
The issue is that the modem Google deploys is not an MSAU...it is a standard router that uses copper cable to connect to the MSAU box that is located to provide your neighborhood with the service if anyone else chooses to opt in.. The MSAU is a part of a ring topology that allows you to connect to other rings. The reason Fiber optic networks require a ring topology is that light photons can be pushed in only one direction...I cannot remember what it is called, but to get around that you use an MSAU to connect to an inner ring in case one of the nodes goes bad. In Google's case the MSAU is used to transmit that data from the ring they set up to the MSAU to the modem/router they give you to connect to the internet.
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It is because those are based on standard phone transmissions...DSL users are using JR11 phone cables to connect to their homes. They are not as durable or as shielded as Coaxial or Cat 5 and higher Ethernet cables. Hence the signal derogation.
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Google's topology is in no way modern or new and would normally fit into the category of an OC2 connection standard in terms of speed.
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