Seriously, why would he bother having a conversation with you, who plainly, plainly has an axe to grind, and who plainly, plainly will never be satisfied, when he could go and do something more rewarding. Like updating the merch store, or publishing more stories that the rest of us like to read and comment on without dragging it down the same stupid trolling every time.
"I also think it's very, very telling that Masnick refuses to ever talk about what he really believes about piracy, even though this blog is obviously devoted significantly to that topic."
Wait, what?
It's a central theme of this blog: piracy, we don't condone it, but it exists, and here's how you can turn it to your advantage.
But he refuses to ever talk about what he believes?
Maybe, just maybe, he believes that it exists, he doesn't condone it, but you can turn it to your advantage.
Accepting your point Mr F about whether anonymous really is anonymous, I disagree with Tim's paraphrasing of "people would supposedly react differently if they were told that their privacy was being invaded for a positive end result".
I think you're being a trifle unfair on what is - to an extent - a valid point.
The Walsh / Massicotte point shows another fundamental mis-understanding of how social media works as well. It is fundamentally a social space first; intruding into this space with marketing is very different to sticking up a billboard or broadcasting an ad on tv. It's more like (though I hate resorting to analogue analogies) interupting a bunch of people chatting in a bar. If you're going to do that you have to be damn sure that what you're going to tell them is a) something they want to know and b) something they want to hear about in the bar.
Wow. That is, just, well, wow.
Spelling mistakes, all caps, no punctuation, random religious claptrap, snakeoil and the barest relevance to the post.
I don't know whether to report it or mark it funny?
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"Your response is to say that unavailability is an excuse to obtain the product illegally"
Not an excuse, a reason why some people do it. Especially given that the legal alternative may a) never be available and b) may be a worse product due to DRM or similar restrictions.
I note you're still unwilling to consider why depriving your potential customers might be a bad business model in the first place?
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Seriously, check out the case studies stuff. There are specifics from the likes of Zoe Keating, Amanda Palmer, Dan Bull, Kevin Smith, Joe Konrath, OK GO, Humble Bundle* etc going right down to how much money they're earning in $ and c.
And if we all close our eyes, and wish really hard, the internet will just disappear!
Windows made sense when the movie industry was physically shipping the movie reels around the theatres. They don't make sense now. If your contracts with the theatres require this, re-negotiate. The theatres need the content, the content doesn't need the theatres.
"the owner of said business is free to market his product as he sees fit."
And the owner of said business is free to see it go to the wall because he refuses to serve his potential customers.
oh FFS! Here we go again, customers, millions of them, wanting to pay for your content. But you don't want to serve them?
Oh look, there's a free alternative with no restrictions. Hmm, maybe I'll just try that instead.
It's not about entitlement, it's about making customers of your fans - rather than enemies, which appears to be your objective?
Seriously, what other industry tells their potential customer to get lost when the product is there to sell?
WTF?
This is why piracy exists!
What kind of arse-about-face, fucked-up fantasy world are you living in when it makes sense to stick it to your customer?
That's what kills businesses!
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I'm guessing from your profile that you're a fairly new reader here? Apologies if I've misread that, but have a shufti through the case studies section of the site. There are a lot of people doing a lot of interesting things and finding their own ways to make it work.
Two things are consistent in their experiences:
1) there is no single new way of working, you have to tailor any approach to the artist and the fans in question.
2) there is no short cut, each and every way involves hard work and dedication - as you'd expect in any other walk of life.
Say I have two hobbies, with two different groups of friends. One of those hobbies might cause me a great deal of embarassment with the other groups of friends. Not harm, but I'd just really rather it didn't happen.
At the moment I can simply ask the friends in hobby group A not to tag me in photos and that's it. Job done.
Now I am concerned that people from hobby group B will see photos of me in hobby A and that might make things very uncomfortable.
Good shout, things have tightened up a lot in the UK (well, the laws have tightened up, the practices less so) but it's been very focussed on companies that actually take deposits rather than companies that facilitate payments.
I wonder how much money-laundering this prevents vs how many start-ups / innovators find themselves unable to realise their idea.
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Wait, what?
It's a central theme of this blog: piracy, we don't condone it, but it exists, and here's how you can turn it to your advantage.
But he refuses to ever talk about what he believes?
Maybe, just maybe, he believes that it exists, he doesn't condone it, but you can turn it to your advantage.
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Re: Anonymous, hm?
I think you're being a trifle unfair on what is - to an extent - a valid point.
The Walsh / Massicotte point shows another fundamental mis-understanding of how social media works as well. It is fundamentally a social space first; intruding into this space with marketing is very different to sticking up a billboard or broadcasting an ad on tv. It's more like (though I hate resorting to analogue analogies) interupting a bunch of people chatting in a bar. If you're going to do that you have to be damn sure that what you're going to tell them is a) something they want to know and b) something they want to hear about in the bar.
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Re: about law
Spelling mistakes, all caps, no punctuation, random religious claptrap, snakeoil and the barest relevance to the post.
I don't know whether to report it or mark it funny?
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Old browser poo.
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Not an excuse, a reason why some people do it. Especially given that the legal alternative may a) never be available and b) may be a worse product due to DRM or similar restrictions.
I note you're still unwilling to consider why depriving your potential customers might be a bad business model in the first place?
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* and those are just the ones I've heard of
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Instead I'll wait until it's in the bargain bin at the supermarket.
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Windows made sense when the movie industry was physically shipping the movie reels around the theatres. They don't make sense now. If your contracts with the theatres require this, re-negotiate. The theatres need the content, the content doesn't need the theatres.
"the owner of said business is free to market his product as he sees fit."
And the owner of said business is free to see it go to the wall because he refuses to serve his potential customers.
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Oh look, there's a free alternative with no restrictions. Hmm, maybe I'll just try that instead.
It's not about entitlement, it's about making customers of your fans - rather than enemies, which appears to be your objective?
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WTF?
This is why piracy exists!
What kind of arse-about-face, fucked-up fantasy world are you living in when it makes sense to stick it to your customer?
That's what kills businesses!
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Re: Finding new ways to compensate the creative among us
Two things are consistent in their experiences:
1) there is no single new way of working, you have to tailor any approach to the artist and the fans in question.
2) there is no short cut, each and every way involves hard work and dedication - as you'd expect in any other walk of life.
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Example
At the moment I can simply ask the friends in hobby group A not to tag me in photos and that's it. Job done.
Now I am concerned that people from hobby group B will see photos of me in hobby A and that might make things very uncomfortable.
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Cheers!
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I wonder how much money-laundering this prevents vs how many start-ups / innovators find themselves unable to realise their idea.