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<dc:creator><![CDATA[DannyB]]></dc:creator>
<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 09:52:24 PDT</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[On what basis do you say TechDirt is pirate central?<br />
<br />
Just because someone might:<br />
* be against copyright<br />
* point out that piracy exists<br />
* point out that individual piracy doesn't harm copyright owners<br />
* point out that the world has changed and Hollywood needs to change with it<br />
doesn't make me them piracy.<br />
<br />
If something bad happens to someone innocent or at least deprived of due process to potentially show innocence, then it is a big deal, and rightly so.  Furthermore proof of guilt should be required, not proof of innocence.  When these things continually occur, it is evidence there is something very rotten about copyright.]]></content:encoded>
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<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130519/18102623141/so-its-come-to-this-seven-high-school-students-arrested-throwing-water-balloons.shtml#c365</link>
<dc:creator><![CDATA[saulgoode]]></dc:creator>
<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 09:51:40 PDT</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[I blame it on <a href="http://www.ign.com/articles/2009/06/30/water-warfare-review" rel="nofollow">video games</a>.]]></content:encoded>
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<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous Coward]]></dc:creator>
<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 09:51:07 PDT</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[I was actually teary-eyed reading this. It was like, " WAY TO GO, ANDY DUFRESNE!!!! STICK TO THE WARDEN AND HIS RIGHT HABD GUY!!!"]]></content:encoded>
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<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous Coward]]></dc:creator>
<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 09:50:43 PDT</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[No.]]></content:encoded>
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<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous Coward]]></dc:creator>
<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 09:50:40 PDT</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[Can you actually trespass at a public school?<br />
<br />
Also, some reports are saying there was a lot of hype about the balloons filled with "dangerous" substances (lol).<br />
<br />
One hell of a well pulled off prank. One hell of a poorly managed incident by the police...]]></content:encoded>
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<title>Re: Re: Re:</title>
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<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous Coward]]></dc:creator>
<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 09:49:43 PDT</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA["Has anyone been charged of convicted of fraud?"<br />
<br />
This from a boy who already tried to hang Kim Dotcom from the nearest tree!]]></content:encoded>
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<title>Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:</title>
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<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rikuo]]></dc:creator>
<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 09:49:39 PDT</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[Yes of course - internet subscribers being told that they are violating COPYRIGHT law cannot contest it, even though it invokes a law enforced by government, and was in fact a system heavily pushed by Joe Biden.<br />
If there is no force of law behind six strikes, then the subscribers can rest easy, knowing that the accusations have no force and therefore, it would be illegal to arbitrarily restrict or cut off their internet service based on nothing more than an accusation.<br />
If there is force of law behind Six Strikes, then you've got to include Due Process.]]></content:encoded>
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<title>Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:</title>
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<dc:creator><![CDATA[average_joe]]></dc:creator>
<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 09:49:23 PDT</pubDate>
<guid>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130521/16402423161/first-hand-account-judicial-smackdown-prenda-minnesota.shtml#c1008</guid>
<content:encoded><![CDATA[Then you agree with H that the hearing was criminal in nature and thus he should have been afforded more protection under the Due Process Clause? I haven't actually researched the issue enough to know for sure, but my initial thought was that it was criminal and H's petition made some plausible points to that effect. I don't care if he spends 40 years in jail for whatever crimes he may have committed. But I do care if his due process rights were violated. Just imaging how much Mike's head would explode if one of his piratical buddies was railroaded like his. I seriously think Mike would have to be hospitalized he'd be so upset.]]></content:encoded>
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<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous Coward]]></dc:creator>
<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 09:49:14 PDT</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[End of the year pranks is a high school tradition. <br />
<br />
Just yesterday, 7 students were refused to receive their HS graduation certificates nor to be allowed to attend the graduation ceremony after releasing 10,000 crickets in school as a prank.<br />
<br />
During my end of the year senior days, someone released a dog in the hall with a tin can tied to his tail and a few small pebbles in the can so it rattled wherever the dog went. No one arrested, no cops called, not even the dog pound. The dog was caught, the can untied from his tail, the dog was taken off school property and released. <br />
<br />
All of this zero tolerance has gotten out of hand. Way out of hand. Those kids now have an arrest warrant and a first strike. The parent of a kid taken to jail? For what other than being on the scene and worried about the kids. <br />
<br />
Our modern day police force is now turning into the Gestapo.]]></content:encoded>
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<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous Coward]]></dc:creator>
<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 09:48:37 PDT</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[May I now be excused from this world? Have I done sufficient penance?]]></content:encoded>
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<title>Re:</title>
<link>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130521/16402423161/first-hand-account-judicial-smackdown-prenda-minnesota.shtml#c984</link>
<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous Coward]]></dc:creator>
<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 09:48:15 PDT</pubDate>
<guid>http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130521/16402423161/first-hand-account-judicial-smackdown-prenda-minnesota.shtml#c984</guid>
<content:encoded><![CDATA["You do realize that there's all kinds of dirtbags out there who do way worse things, right?"<br />
<br />
Including you, boy?]]></content:encoded>
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<dc:creator><![CDATA[DannyB]]></dc:creator>
<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 09:47:18 PDT</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[If there is no force of law, then ISP's should just tell Hollywood where they can take their Sick Strikes and be done with it.<br />
<br />
If there is force of law behind Sick Strikes, then there is no due process.<br />
<br />
Which way is it?  And therefore, which consequent result?]]></content:encoded>
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<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kritbag Difrat]]></dc:creator>
<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 09:46:13 PDT</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[Hey, have you figured out why you "like" six strikes laws?<br />
<br />
Give us a shout when you've got that one figured out, because I just don't see it.<br />
<br />
Six strike laws are bureaucratic, do not follow good American principals like allowing accused to see evidence, allowing the accused to make a case, and separating accusers from decision makers.<br />
<br />
What's to "like" about such an obviously unfair system?]]></content:encoded>
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<title>Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:</title>
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<dc:creator><![CDATA[DannyB]]></dc:creator>
<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 09:45:55 PDT</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[&gt; if that hearing was criminal in nature, which it seems to me it<br />
&gt; was despite the underlying infringement action being a civil action<br />
<br />
The underlying <i>purported</i> infringement action may be civil.  That is different than the fraud which is what the hearing was about.  Fraud upon the court is criminal, even if you commit the fraud in the course of a purported civil action.<br />
<br />
Now, I say "purported" because there never really was any infringement action.  All they wanted was to game the court system to send out extortion shakedown settlement letters.  There never was any intent to litigate -- as evidenced by the plaintiff's own actions whenever they find a defendant willing to fight.]]></content:encoded>
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<title>&quot;no crime too small&quot; IS A CRIME.</title>
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<dc:creator><![CDATA[out_of_the_blue]]></dc:creator>
<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 09:44:20 PDT</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[14-year-olds can't see beyond "harmless" fun because they ALWAYS imagine themselves having the upper hand, never being the ones HIT and SOAKED.<br />
<br />
But that IS assault and battery, kids. Your right to toss water ballons ends where someone else's person begins -- in fact, well clear of it: adults don't wish to run a risk merely because you're idiots. So don't throw water ballons --- at somone NOT agreeing to the "fun" -- unless you want a CRIMINAL record.<br />
<br />
Someone else's, whether intellectual property or physical body, seems to be the key concept that the kids here at Techdirt just can't grasp.]]></content:encoded>
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<dc:creator><![CDATA[kenichi tanaka]]></dc:creator>
<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 09:43:56 PDT</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[I remember, when I was in elementary school, that someone I knew taught me how to hack up "loogies". Well, suffice it to say that I was about seven or eight at the time and I thought it was cool so I caught this girl as she was coming up the steps and caught her in the face.<br />
<br />
Bare in mind that I was an adolescent and I thought ti was cool; but, she recognized me and I ended up getting kicked up out of school for three days, ended up with a weeks detention and I had to apologize to the young girl.<br />
<br />
Boys will be boys.<br />
<br />
However, in the aftermath of Columbine shooting, school districts have to take a "zero tolerence" policy when it comes to juvenile antics and I have no sympathy for what these 17 years olds did. They knew exactly what they were doing and this was no prank, despite what others may think. It takes calculated thought to plan something like this and I have to support the school administrators and the school district because this amounts to an assault.<br />
<br />
While some of us may find it funny, it's not. Water balloons are something you do when you're at home, not on school property. These students knew what they were doing was wrong and now they'll have to live with the consequences. They're going to find out now because they're not only just starting to become adults living in the real world but they're going to learn a valuable lesson that everything you do has consequences.]]></content:encoded>
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<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andreas]]></dc:creator>
<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 09:42:32 PDT</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[Hey, why don't you come to germany, your country is totally fucked up right there, and it's not bright for the future either. Common sense has died in the US]]></content:encoded>
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<dc:creator><![CDATA[average_joe]]></dc:creator>
<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 09:40:41 PDT</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[Where' the due process violation with Six Strikes? There's no government action. <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_actor' rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_actor</a> I'm talking about people's actual due process rights, not some TD version of reality.]]></content:encoded>
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<title>Barney</title>
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<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jessie]]></dc:creator>
<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 09:40:17 PDT</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[Well, in the words of the world famous child rearing expert and government employee Barney Fife:<br />
<br />
"I say this calls for action and now. Nip it in the bud. First sign of youngsters going wrong, you've got to nip it in the bud."<br />
<br />
Of course, these days, I don't know if we shouldn't replace "youngsters" with "governmental agents".<br />
<br />
Also, remember, "don't just mollycoddle them."]]></content:encoded>
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<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon E. Mous]]></dc:creator>
<pubDate>Wed, 22 May 2013 09:39:47 PDT</pubDate>
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<content:encoded><![CDATA[LOL. all I picture is John rolling around on the floor and pounding on it with his fists  and complaining how it's not fair and no one like me!<br />
<br />
Course this may or may not be Hypothetical!]]></content:encoded>
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