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Too Much Free Time

by Mike Masnick

Thu, Aug 18th 2011 12:33pm




Filed Under:
fbi, jared cano, ssid, surveillance van


Does The FBI Really Use Surveillance Vans With WiFi SSIDs Saying 'FBI_SURVEILLANCE_VAN'?

from the not-sure-i-believe-it... dept

Danny was the first of a few of you to send in variations on the story of Tampa police arresting a teenager, Jared Cano, for allegedly plotting to blow up a local high school. The police were apparently tipped off by someone. However, what resulted in the submission is the note in the article about a posting on Cano's Facebook page from a few days ago, in which he claims that he saw an SSID for "FBI_SURVEILLANCE VAN":

This is leading lots of people to ask just how stupid the FBI is for having such an SSID. The thing is... I doubt this is really true. There's no confirmation of it other than this kid saying it, and it doesn't sound like it was the FBI who investigated and arrested him in the first place. And while we've certainly seen the FBI do some crazy and clueless things at times over the years, I have a hard time believing that anyone there would ever be so clueless as to set up an open WiFi with that SSID.

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    Gabriel Tane (profile), Aug 18th, 2011 @ 12:37pm

    inb4: another Maznick headline full of hype and misleadyness aimed at getting more traffic.

    I LOLed at this. I wonder if that would make it to Failbook.

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    Donnicton, Aug 18th, 2011 @ 12:38pm

    It was actually a TSA access point, cleverly named FBI_SURVEILLANCE_VAN in order to catch terrorists. And then revoke their drivers' licenses.


    Only a terrorist would question why that wireless access point was there.

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    Jake, Aug 18th, 2011 @ 12:40pm

    Well, now I know what I'm calling my home network.

    And has English language teaching in the US really deteriorated to the point where teenagers are no longer capable of spelling the word "fuck" correctly?

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    Old Joke

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    Chronno S. Trigger (profile), Aug 18th, 2011 @ 12:42pm

    Hmmm... This was on august 8th and the FB post was on august 14th. Coincidence, causality, or are the FBI actually that stupid?

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    Donnicton, Aug 18th, 2011 @ 12:43pm

    It's not that, he's trying to be a Facebook Gangsta. He spelled it correctly the second time. Note the typed ebonics. "my homie Nic Peezy", "i aint fuckin wit no FBI", etc.

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 18th, 2011 @ 12:44pm

    Well, now I know what I'm calling my home network.

    ABSOLUTELY!

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    Re: Old Joke

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    sheenyglass (profile), Aug 18th, 2011 @ 12:49pm

    Also this - http://lifehacker.com/5829089/discourage-neighbors-from-using-your-wi+fi-by-naming-your-network-some thing-scary

    So if you want to have open wifi, but dissuade people from using if for things which will bring a swat team to your door, naming it FBI_SURVEILLANCE_VAN makes alot of sense.

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    DandonTRJ (profile), Aug 18th, 2011 @ 12:51pm

    Osama bin Laden might still be alive if he'd noticed the SEAL_TEAM_6 network near his compound sooner.

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    New ideas for SSID?

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    Armin, Aug 18th, 2011 @ 12:51pm

    I think I'm going to change mine to:

    - ALIEN_SPACESHIP
    - INTELLIGENCE_MONITORING_STATION
    - APOLLO_11

    or something along those lines...

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    Not necessarily open

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    A Dan (profile), Aug 18th, 2011 @ 12:51pm

    Technically, it wouldn't have to be an open AP, it would just have to be broadcasting for you to see it. Most people don't turn off broadcasting SSID, even if they secure their routers.

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 18th, 2011 @ 12:53pm

    FBI_SURVEILLANCE_VAN_3 might be believable, they probably have more than one...

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    my favorite tongue in cheek ssid...

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    cryptozoologist (profile), Aug 18th, 2011 @ 12:56pm

    WE_CAN_HEAR_YOU_HAVING_SEX

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    Seen this repeatedly...

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    Varsil (profile), Aug 18th, 2011 @ 12:56pm

    I've seen a number of "FBI (whatever)" SSIDs.

    I'm in Canada. The FBI has neither jurisdiction nor presence here.

    It's just people name their access points random things. When I lived in an apartment the crack dealer on the second floor (I think, anyway--the SSID went away when he moved) had his named "Secret Service", and another person had one named "Playboy Mansion". I'm also pretty sure that there was no Playboy Mansion in that neighbourhood.

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    They wouldn't make that mistake

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    Charles (profile), Aug 18th, 2011 @ 12:57pm

    After all, we all know how tech savvy our federal government is. With such great network security (as shown by its lack of leaks, or other technical mishaps) they wouldn't due something that obvious.

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 18th, 2011 @ 1:13pm

    But he used his real name, so it must be true - just like the image of the "kill the atheists" comments that nobody can find the original thread for.

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 18th, 2011 @ 1:18pm

    Some one's funning. My Droid's bluetooth name is "DEA Surveillance Van 14b"

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    omg

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    spacepirate, Aug 18th, 2011 @ 1:19pm

    I've set up more than one friends wifi with 'fbi surveillance van' ssid's - I think i saw it on collegehumor or something, thought it was funny.

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 18th, 2011 @ 1:20pm

    Am i the only one who names my networks things like "nsa honeypot"?

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    It wasn't meant to stay there....

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    Lord Binky, Aug 18th, 2011 @ 1:20pm

    They guy that installed it, left it as a joke. Who would have guessed that being conspicuously inconspicuous actually lowers peoples guards....

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    Perhaps not confirmation, but...

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    rww, Aug 18th, 2011 @ 1:23pm

    This has been around for a few months now. So, although not proof, there are other similar sightings of silly SSID's.
    FBI VAN2 and FBI_VAN2-guest are frequently seen at my favorite resturant. http://www.flickr.com/photos/rojer/6057178538/in/photostream

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 18th, 2011 @ 1:23pm

    Mine is:

    MIKE_MASNICK_REACHES_AGAIN

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 18th, 2011 @ 1:27pm

    There was a posting on Gizmodo about a year ago with people using that as their SSID. I changed mine to it for awhile after I read the posting.

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    Re: New ideas for SSID?

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    ChurchHatesTucker (profile), Aug 18th, 2011 @ 1:27pm

    REGISTERED_SEX_OFFENDER

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    Fickelbra (profile), Aug 18th, 2011 @ 1:38pm

    You should write for Jay Leno.

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    Squirrel Brains (profile), Aug 18th, 2011 @ 1:39pm

    And there it is folks. Who had that number in the pool?

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 18th, 2011 @ 1:39pm

    I call mine the FBI_Piracy_Tracker (really, have for a few years now). No one has ever tried connecting to it.

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    ltlw0lf (profile), Aug 18th, 2011 @ 1:45pm

    Mine is: MIKE_MASNICK_REACHES_AGAIN

    Yeah TAM, I can see you doing that. Man, I only say this as a friend, you got to get a life. This Mike stalking can't be good for your health. We care about you; get some help.

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    Re: my favorite tongue in cheek ssid...

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    circleofconfusion (profile), Aug 18th, 2011 @ 1:46pm

    And its corollary, WE_CAN_HEAR_YOU_NOT_HAVING_SEX

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    Re: Re: New ideas for SSID?

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    Fickelbra (profile), Aug 18th, 2011 @ 1:46pm

    This is the funniest/worst one so far. Congrats lol.

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    paul, Aug 18th, 2011 @ 1:53pm

    facepalm.

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    John D (profile), Aug 18th, 2011 @ 1:53pm

    I had two neighbors in an old apartment complex trade insults over SSIDs. It was quite entertaining.

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    Re: New ideas for SSID?

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    A Monkey with Atitude, Aug 18th, 2011 @ 1:59pm

    Mines "THUNDERDOME" :)

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    Re: Re: New ideas for SSID?

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    Pickle Monger (profile), Aug 18th, 2011 @ 2:08pm

    Reminds me of a Doug Stanhope joke: "Have you ever considered registering as a sex offender just so that your friends would stop bringing their children over to your place?" LMAO

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    Dwayne, Aug 18th, 2011 @ 2:15pm

    My home WIFI is called "Police Surveillance Van" and I noticed the other day a police car sat outside my house for about 30 minutes, just sitting in their car. I think my crazy neighbour called them, haha.

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 18th, 2011 @ 2:23pm

    Sigh. Everyone knows the FBI wouldn't use that as their SSID.

    Theirs is "4CHAN_PARTY_VAN"

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    dfed (profile), Aug 18th, 2011 @ 2:24pm

    DOH!

    Forgot to sign in again.

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    Onnala (profile), Aug 18th, 2011 @ 2:26pm

    Oddly enough, you can name your own SSID anything you want... and among the geek 1337 crowd it isn't uncommon to name the outward facing SSID something like this. Or things like, pussyforhire, GOV_URBAN_SILO_127, FBI_SAFEHOUSE_127, CHURCH_OF_SATAN_WIFI, and so on. Just to troll people that look at SSID names.

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    PRMan, Aug 18th, 2011 @ 2:42pm

    It doesn't matter. He wasn't online anyway.

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    PRMan, Aug 18th, 2011 @ 2:44pm

    It doesn't matter. He wasn't online anyway.

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    PRMan, Aug 18th, 2011 @ 2:45pm

    Sorry. Don't know what happened there. It put my previous response.

    You mean the Christians shouting KILL THE ATHEIST was FAKED?!?

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    My favourites:

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    freak (profile), Aug 18th, 2011 @ 3:03pm

    (.)(.)
    XCKD341

    And 4 that popped up in my neighbourhood in this sequence:
    HALLSWIRELESS
    NOTHALLSWIRELESS
    NOTNOTHALLSWIRELESS
    DOESTHATMAKEITHALLSWIRELESS

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    Yes, they do show up as that.

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    fb39ca4 (profile), Aug 18th, 2011 @ 3:10pm

    My ipod touch tried to connect to one of those once.

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 18th, 2011 @ 3:18pm

    I've used these:
    -NO_SIGNAL
    -HOST_NOT_FOUND

    Or my personal favorite:
    -I_CAN_READ_YOUR_EMAILS

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    SSID

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    HMTKSteve, Aug 18th, 2011 @ 4:09pm

    I have long used law enforcement sounding names when setting up routers and access points. For the most part I find that it tends to deter people from trying to hack their way in.

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    Jks!

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    James (profile), Aug 18th, 2011 @ 6:51pm

    "FBI Surveillance Van", and other similar variations are common joke wifi names.

    I live in Australia, and I have a few around me called "AFP Surveillance Van" and "Virus Downloading" etc etc

    Wouldn't read much into this.

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    fb39ca4, Aug 18th, 2011 @ 6:59pm

    It would be a fun project to have an open wifi and have any computers with mac addresses not your own get redirected to fake websites that download viruses onto their computer.

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    Probably not, but..

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    EIA, Aug 18th, 2011 @ 7:54pm

    They might have something like "Kiddie Funhouse", or "Free Wifi for Political Bloggers".

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    "..Surveillance Vans With WiFi SSIDs Saying 'FBI_SURVEILLANCE_VAN.."

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    Daemon_zogg, Aug 18th, 2011 @ 9:51pm

    I'm tempted to set up a wireless OpenSource honeypot server with that SSID just for fun. Fake the OS fingerprint. Spoof the IP and MAC. The data collected over a 6 month period would be interesting to say the least. And the answer to the next question is NO. I refuse to share the data with law enforcement. It will be for my own amusement. And only then, I will share the details exclusively with open-source and bit-torrent communities for security research. Screw DHS! God-Damn secret police bastards. I hate those over-funded bungholes! Only thing they're missing are the StormTrooper Nazi Helmets. ;P

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    "..Surveillance Vans With WiFi SSIDs Saying 'FBI_SURVEILLANCE_VAN.."

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    Daemon_ZOGG, Aug 18th, 2011 @ 10:01pm

    And yes! FBI and DHS are the same. Just differently funded corporate agencies under the same fu**ing umbrella. I miss the days when we only had to deal with just the FBI. Now it's DHS, NSA, CIA, and every other friggen letter in the English alphabet. Democracy, the original US Constitution with the bill of rights I love. The people currently running the so called US democracy need to be fired and prevented from ever consorting or participating in government for the rest of their bribe-taking, sorry ass lives. };P

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    G Thompson (profile), Aug 18th, 2011 @ 10:37pm

    I saw one once that said.. No joke, and I still laugh about it.

    "WATCHING_YOU_MASTURBATE"

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    Re: Re: my favorite tongue in cheek ssid...

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    Marcel de Jong (profile), Aug 19th, 2011 @ 4:42am

    FOREVER_ALONE

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    Marcel de Jong (profile), Aug 19th, 2011 @ 4:55am

    I used to have one called "Please wait...".

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    Re: Re: New ideas for SSID?

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    Gabriel Tane (profile), Aug 19th, 2011 @ 5:05am

    TWO IP'S ENTER... ONE IP LEAVES!

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    Scary WiFi Names

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    Robert Wright, Aug 19th, 2011 @ 7:06am

    I wrote an article on this subjest this year. These are just names people make up for thier access points to scare people away. The FBI do not broadcast the SSID of the access points they use. So no it is not the FBI.
    Please read my article HERE
    http://www.ufofreebandclub.com/blog/?p=1193

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    anothermike, Aug 19th, 2011 @ 12:19pm

    mine's "Stuxnet Development Lab"

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 19th, 2011 @ 3:37pm

    ala wifi pineapple? http://hakshop.com/products/wifi-pineapple

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    Surveillance van

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    wvhillbilly (profile), Aug 19th, 2011 @ 6:05pm

    I remember one night several weeks ago I was attempting to set up a wi-fi connection to a computer in the far end of the house from where the router is, and as I was trying to connect with the router I noticed several names, including the one for our router, and among them was one for "wi-fi surveillance van." I checked a few minutes later and the surveillance van was gone.

    Incidentally, I never did get the connection to work properly, apparently I was out of range of the router. I ended up going back to Ethernet.

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    Re: Re: New ideas for SSID?

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    Natanael L, Aug 21st, 2011 @ 6:19am

    You should change that to UNREGISTERED_SEX_OFFENDER

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    Natanael L, Aug 21st, 2011 @ 6:20am

    Still matters. You don't need to connect to the internet to scan WiFi names.

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    Re: Seen this repeatedly...

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    Natanael L, Aug 21st, 2011 @ 6:21am

    One I've seen on the internet: prettyflyforawifi

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    Natanael L, Aug 21st, 2011 @ 6:23am

    "The Real Area 51"
    Or "The Digital Bermuda Triangle"

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 28th, 2011 @ 12:42pm

    Change mac address before connecting to ANY access point.

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    FBI survelliance w/ WIFI

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    Harold, Sep 1st, 2011 @ 11:05am

    Just got a screen shot from a friend of mine that shows FBI Van #189 as the only other WIFI selection besides his home connection. He lives out in the boonies with the next closest house a few miles away. REALLY? You tell me!

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    Re: "..Surveillance Vans With WiFi SSIDs Saying 'FBI_SURVEILLANCE_VAN.."

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    Harold, Sep 1st, 2011 @ 11:23am

    There's our problem ... the Constitution set up a Republic (Thus, Ben Franklin's famous quote, “A Republic, if you can keep it.” and the pledge of allegiance ..."to the Republic for which it stands")... but the corrupt power-mongers have dummied us down to believe that we are supposed to be a Democracy. Rome fell when it evolved from a Republic to a Democracy!
    However, I completely agree that the corrupt, unconstitutional gov't that now rules goes out of its way to be a tyrannical police state!!!

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    f.b.i ssid

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    chad, Sep 12th, 2011 @ 10:03pm

    i have sat outside on my laptop alot. and tonight i come out and there is a f.b.i surveillance on my wifi. never has been there before. kind of freaks me out. course i am not doing anything illegal. but still makes me wonder why big brother is watching and who they are watching.

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    hmm?

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    dragonis, Sep 30th, 2011 @ 8:18pm

    FBI Surveillance Van ID 9429, that ssid is in my wifi list, very strange indeed, never seen it before on the list.

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    hmm?

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    dragonis, Sep 30th, 2011 @ 8:20pm

    FBI Surveillance Van ID 9429, that ssid is in my wifi list, very strange indeed, never seen it before on the list.

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    Found an Fbi Surveillance van on my Wireless list

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    Big Boi 79, Oct 4th, 2011 @ 2:13pm

    HEHE. I was checking the list of Wirless networks on my netbook at home. I was surprised that one of them was named FBI Surveillance Van ID ####. It was security enabled so I guess I can join it not that I would want to. but it did kinda freek me out. I have noticed large vans on my block from time to time.

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    big boi 795, Oct 4th, 2011 @ 2:21pm

    to the poster two posts above, I have the same exact wifi name on my list Fbi Surveillance van ID 9429. Man the fact that yours has the same ID # as mine is even freakier. And I also posted above but made an error, I said it was security enabled but I can't join it not can. So this is just plain Weird.

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    sharon mckenzie, Oct 10th, 2011 @ 3:47am

    I WALKED AROUND WITH LAPTOP TILL I GOT FIVE BARS IN FRONT OF THIS HOUSE

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    Ed H, Nov 6th, 2011 @ 1:58pm

    I'd report it to the police and say some1 was impersonating a federal agent

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    HAPPEND 2 ME

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    Coleman from the streets, Dec 1st, 2011 @ 12:01am

    Just happend to me mine was called CSIS Surveillance Van #2 please someone find out wtf this is

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    hey

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    jr, Dec 15th, 2011 @ 11:36pm

    hard to believe but i do because yesterday i try to connect to my wifi and it came up saying swat van 1 w,e that may be i was like wtf is that on their for after one day it dissaper but kinda awkard

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    Re: Re: Re: New ideas for SSID?

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    Brandon Berghmans (profile), Feb 3rd, 2012 @ 3:52am

    UNREGISTERED_SEX_OFFENDER OK you have my vote as the BEST SSID and I'm changing mine as soon as I'm done posting this!!


    Or how bout MY_HOMIE_NIC_PEEZY

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    my network name

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    gamer60634, Feb 14th, 2012 @ 2:58am

    i have named mine kgb drop box after seeing fbi surveillance van i thought it would be kinda funny

    i could have named it the porn shack or something really crude like Jewish soap factory

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    rob, Feb 23rd, 2012 @ 1:00am

    I saw the fbi surveillance van for a wifi network today..I laughed.

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    Hmmm

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    Jaime G., Mar 11th, 2012 @ 9:18pm

    Things make me say Hmmmm every day when I'm out in Public....Big Brother Watching. It's a post 9/11 world after all.

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    Re: Hmmm

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    MR. G, Mar 11th, 2012 @ 9:31pm

    RELAX fellow Americans. The Federalees are keeping our country safe, just Doing their JOB.......

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    i call bull shit..

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    blunt inspired, Mar 16th, 2012 @ 10:00am

    listen people.. common sence should tell you that the SSDI-FBI SURVALENCE VAN IS JUST SOME RANDOM PERSON WHO MADE IT,IT IS NOT THE FBI FOR REAL.THINK ABOUT IT, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS NOT GOING TO OPENLY AND PUBLICLY LOG ON TO THE INTERNET ON A UNSECURE NETWORK.IF THEY WERE DOING SURVALENCE YOU WOULD NOT KNOW ABOUT IT

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