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   Mark, Jul 12th, 2006 @ 11:40pm

   
   

   What a Waste...

   of time! Spectrum regulation is such an out of date concept. We don't regulate "spectrum" on the Internet and yet I can listen to thousands of different radios using my single "wireless" (WiFi) connection. If we were to deregulate and let the industry move towards software radios we would really see some interesting industry developments.

    

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   WirelessGuy, Jul 12th, 2006 @ 11:40pm

   
   

   Guess you never had to frequency plan

   The problem for Clearwire is that they are trying to market unlicensed sprectrum. They are in the exact problem they are in because there is no regulation. It is first come first serve, and is more about licensing the right for property, i.e. airport, stadiums, coffee houses, etc...that it is about the actual radio spectrum. If we did allow every tom, dick and harry to build a wireless company, then we would have complete and utter chaos for the customer. While engineers bicker back and forth on who was there first, who has the rights to an area, channel, etc...the customer gets crappy service. The internet is regulated in who can be a class 1 provider and sell IP addresses. It isn't as open as one might think. No one can just grab bandwidth without buying a certain amount of bandwidth or building it out. The spectrum is different in that it is physically contrained by the amount of cables, routers and switches one can purchase, where radio spectrum is finite. One a certain amount of subscribers can use a radio channel at one time. PERIOD. Software radios would make the world a bit easier, providing faster responses, but they do not overcome basic radio principles of spectral efficiency. QAM technology is promising, but we are years away from a viable product, with Clearwire being the leader, and likely bleeder of money.

    

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   Mark, Jul 12th, 2006 @ 11:40pm

   
   

   Frequency Planning

   "The spectrum is different in that it is physically contrained by the amount of cables, routers and switches one can purchase, where radio spectrum is finite. One a certain amount of subscribers can use a radio channel at one time. PERIOD." Not true at all. Again, consider my WiFi-connected PC as a software radio. There are thousands of radio stations available to me over the same connection with no interference problems whatsoever. This is because each signal is coded differently (similar to CDMA). I "tune" into them by going to different URLs. If we got rid of all the "dumb" radios (which can tune based on FM and AM only and therefore require spectrum planning to allow only 1 station per AM or FM range) and replaced them with software radios we would eliminate this concern about limited spectrum.

    

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   WirelessGuy, Jul 12th, 2006 @ 11:40pm

   
   

   So not true

   CDMA technology has limits based on the amount of codes you can use. It is not unlimited like you are stating. If you would like to sit in one of my courses I teach on CDMA technology I would be happy to teach this to you. Your WiFi connection is what is limited, and who cares about your URL, which by the way is limited based on the number of obtainable IP addresses. Yes IPV6 will increase this, but until then there is a limit based on the number of IPs out there. Your Sprint and Verizon phone also uses CDMA technology

    

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   Mark, Jul 12th, 2006 @ 11:40pm

   
   

   More Info

   Wow, how new ideas are met with hostility by people who are trained in the old ways. "who cares about your URL, which by the way is limited based on the number of obtainable IP addresses" The number of IP address is massive when compared to the number of radio stations allowed in the AM and FM bands. Are there Internet radio stations suffering because they can not get a URL the same way that traditional radio stations are suffering because they can not get frequency? No. If you would like to understand better what is being discussed, I suggest you take a look at Radio Revolution - it does a much better a more thorough job than I can. I was using some simple metaphors to explain the concept. http://www.newamerica.net/index.cfm?pg=article&DocID=1427 Yes, CDMA has it's limits, that was just a simplified metaphor I was using. I never said it was umlimited, just that the possibilities are still massive when compared with traditional AM and FM frequency allocation policies.

    

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   Anonymous Coward, Jul 12th, 2006 @ 11:40pm

   
   

   "Dumb Radios"

   AM band occupies less than 1 MHz of spectrum and provides nationwide (audio) service for > 90 years FM occupies 20 MHz of spectrum. Thats less than 21 MHz combined vs. the 70 MHz that 802.11b uses. Obviously it's not an apples to apples comparison but ( radio) broadcast isn't a spectrum pig.

    

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   Mark, Jul 12th, 2006 @ 11:40pm

   
   

   Spectrum Pig

   The issue is not the fact that radio only uses 21 MHz but the fact that, given current spectrum allocation policies, there are a limited number of radios allowed to operate in any one given market. Under current policies, for crowded metros, you would have to open up more spectrum to allow more stations. Once you go to IP-based software radios, your "spectrum" opens up massively. You can connect to that "spectrum" any way you like (WiFi, MiWax, 2G cellulr, 3G cellular, etc). Of course, once you go IP-based, you are not just getting a massive number of potential radio stations, but everything else that's IP-based. Inisting on carving spectrum up into bands based on AM and FM is very crude by comparison. It's important to remember that once an AM or FM band has been allocated, only the company allocated that band can use. By contrast, with spread spectrum technologies, you can have multiple users in the same band.

    

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   WirelessGuy, Jul 12th, 2006 @ 11:40pm

   
   

   Well then you never got the point of the article

   The article is talking about radio spectrum to access the IP world, it isn't talking about radio stations. I could care less about how many radio stations are out there streaming, what is important to me, and to companies like Clearwire, is how much wireless spectrum is available for people to access the IP domain. Hence my comments. We care about this because it is the most sacred resource we have. If you care about people accessing streaming content, you better learn about limitations of people getting an IP address. Yes radio spectrum is not a "pig" but that spectrum is only a viable resource for one way communication. To have a terrestrial two way system, one needs to operate at higher freq's with more bandwidth. I agree then that who really cares about radio spectrum & TV spectrum.

    

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