stories filed under: "colorado"
Remember how North Carolina was demanding that Amazon hand over pretty much all purchase info on every citizen who had ordered anything from the site? Thankfully, Amazon won that lawsuit, and was allowed to protect purchaser privacy. However, other states apparently didn't get the message. Michael Scott points us to the news that the state of Colorado, which had put in place a similar law, just got a preliminary injunction barring it from enforcing the law. While it's not a final ruling, it does mean that the companies protesting this law have established a "substantial likelihood" of prevailing. The ruling focuses on how the law violates the Commerce Clause in regulating interstate commerce (which state governments are not allowed to do). It doesn't directly discuss the privacy issues, other than indirectly to note that weighing the balance of potential "harms" it makes sense to block this law. If the law is later found to be legal, then the state can still get that info and collect taxes, but if the law is allowed to be enforced, it could violate people's privacy and other rights.
by Mike Masnick
Wed, Jul 7th 2010 1:43pm
Filed Under:
blogging, colorado, copyright, dean singleton, hot news
Companies:
ap, coloradopols, medianews
AP, MediaNews Boss Sends Legal Threat To Blog For Quoting Colorado Newspapers
from the hot-news-is-hot dept
It's no secret that the Associated Press is hot for the "hot news" doctrine (even as they seem blind to how it will come back to bite them). However, most of the lawsuits involving "hot news" to date have strayed away from really testing the legal limits of, say, blogs writing about newspaper stories and quoting parts of the story in the process. That may be changing. Dean Singleton is the chair of the Associated Press, as well as the CEO of MediaNews, one of the big newspaper chains out there. Apparently he's decided to test the waters on threatening bloggers over "hot news."
davebarnes alerts us to a blog post at the site ColoradoPols.com -- a blog covering Colorado Politics -- about how the site received a long cease-and-desist from MediaNews (and a few smaller Colorado papers, demanding that it stop quoting their stories. You can read the full cease-and-desist (pdf) if you'd like.
There are some funny bits in the letter. My favorite is the following:
But I'm intrigued by the claims of MediaNews' lawyers that if your site only provides a few clicks, you have no fair use or First Amendment rights. This raises a couple of questions. First, are they really saying that free speech defenses only apply if you're popular and get a lot of traffic? That seems like a strange claim. I can't see it holding up in court. Second, is this a tacit admission from MediaNews/the AP that sites like Google News are okay because they send a lot of traffic?
Either way, it seemed worthwhile to explore this "fair use" claim a bit deeper, so I went looking for details. From the C&D, you would believe that ColoradoPols was simply copying text from The Denver Post with nothing else. So I dug up an example. One of the examples cited involves this blog post from May, which quotes a section of this Denver Post article, but also adds an awful lot of commentary to the cited parts. Commentary, of course, is a key part of determining fair use.
On top of that, as someone who blogs in a similar manner, there are plenty of legitimate reasons for quoting large segments of text in order to provide commentary. Since publications like the AP and other newspapers often "disappear" their content, providing just a link is not very helpful to our readers, because those readers may go looking for the original content and find it gone. In fact, one of the reasons why we now quote the articles we comment on is because of regular complaints from readers who couldn't find the original source of what we were talking about. In fact, ColoradoPols notes that Singleton has stated that he plans to wall off much of his content. And they give a pretty good assessment of how clueless that is:
davebarnes alerts us to a blog post at the site ColoradoPols.com -- a blog covering Colorado Politics -- about how the site received a long cease-and-desist from MediaNews (and a few smaller Colorado papers, demanding that it stop quoting their stories. You can read the full cease-and-desist (pdf) if you'd like.
There are some funny bits in the letter. My favorite is the following:
Moreover, because none of the postings by Colorado Pols generated any appreciable traffic at the websites of the underlying publishers, it is beyond dispute that this copying by Colorado Pols harmed the market value and revenue-generating potential of the infringed works. Indeed, MediaNews Group has been monitoring the traffic to its sites from ColoradoPols during the listed time period, and the links inserted by Colorado Pols in the infringing excerpts of MediaNews Group's stories are generating no more than zero to five clicks to the underlying stories at The Denver Post's website.Wait, how does that make any sense at all? Just because the stories might not generate clicks (and ColoradoPols disputes this claim in its post) doesn't mean that harm has been done at all. If the people who are reading ColoradoPols wouldn't have read MediaNews's own site (in this case, the site for The Denver Post) anyway, then there's no harm. MediaNews seems to want to make the case that ColoradoPols is siphoning traffic away from its own sites, but fails to actually show that. The lawyers here seem to be confusing an important prong of the fair use test. They seem to be suggesting that the fourth prong means it's only fair use if the use provides greater economic value for the original source. That's not the test at all. The test is whether or not it harms the economic value of the original. A lack of positive benefit does not mean there is harm, even if the lawyers want to pretend that's the case.
In light of these considerations, Colorado Pols has no legal basis for invoking the Fair Use Defense, or the First Amendment, to justify its unfair competition with our clients. This kind of misappropriation simply has no defense under the law.And then the lawyers cite the infamous FlyOnTheWall case, ignoring (conveniently!) that an appeals court has stayed the injunction and is reviewing whether or not the original ruling made any sense whatsoever.
But I'm intrigued by the claims of MediaNews' lawyers that if your site only provides a few clicks, you have no fair use or First Amendment rights. This raises a couple of questions. First, are they really saying that free speech defenses only apply if you're popular and get a lot of traffic? That seems like a strange claim. I can't see it holding up in court. Second, is this a tacit admission from MediaNews/the AP that sites like Google News are okay because they send a lot of traffic?
Either way, it seemed worthwhile to explore this "fair use" claim a bit deeper, so I went looking for details. From the C&D, you would believe that ColoradoPols was simply copying text from The Denver Post with nothing else. So I dug up an example. One of the examples cited involves this blog post from May, which quotes a section of this Denver Post article, but also adds an awful lot of commentary to the cited parts. Commentary, of course, is a key part of determining fair use.
On top of that, as someone who blogs in a similar manner, there are plenty of legitimate reasons for quoting large segments of text in order to provide commentary. Since publications like the AP and other newspapers often "disappear" their content, providing just a link is not very helpful to our readers, because those readers may go looking for the original content and find it gone. In fact, one of the reasons why we now quote the articles we comment on is because of regular complaints from readers who couldn't find the original source of what we were talking about. In fact, ColoradoPols notes that Singleton has stated that he plans to wall off much of his content. And they give a pretty good assessment of how clueless that is:
This statement is remarkable for a number of reasons, but the biggest problem with what Singleton is proposing is that it is totally counterintuitive to how marketplaces work. The market determines the clearing price of a product, not the owners of that product. Attempts to force the market to give you a bigger profit...well, they end in disaster. Every time.As noted at the end of that blurb, ColoradoPols has decided to comply with the cease-and-desist, even though they believe that there is no legal basis for it. Basically, the site's take appears to be "fine, if they don't want us to give them attention, we won't give them attention." They also point out that this may prove the lawyers' main claim false: that ColoradoPols is building its traffic off the work of other sites. They discuss their traffic in April -- when they regularly linked to the sources who sent the letter, and will not link to or quote any of those sources through July, and will compare traffic at the end of it. As they note:
The idea that the Post will suddenly become more valuable if it is not offered for free online doesn't fix the fundamental problem that the news in general is already offered online, everywhere, for free. It doesn't make the print version of a newspaper more valuable or more relevant if you have to pay to read it online; all it does is make the newspaper more complicated to read, and thus, less attractive to most potential readers (and advertisers). In going to a paid online model, what they will be doing is saying, "you can't get our version of the news for free anymore." In response, most people will just shrug and visit other websites instead, just like we are doing in response to this letter.
One of the neat things about the Internet is that we don't have to make assumptions here - we can actually show you whether or not referencing the Post is vital to our "business model." In April 2010, the last full month that we referenced the Post or any of the outlets included in this letter, Colorado Pols generated 617,661 page views. If it were true that our very existence depended upon the Post and similar news outlets, it would stand to reason that our traffic would drop dramatically once we stopped talking about them, right?Once again, we're seeing just how clueless the AP, its leadership and the top brass of some major newspapers are when it comes to how the internet works.
We've told you what kind of traffic we received in April, and we'll tell you what kind of traffic we have once the month of July is completed - an entire month of no references to the Post or others listed in the letter, from either us or others posting diaries or comments. We are fully confident that our traffic won't decrease because we aren't referencing the Post, because we know that our success has absolutely nothing to do with the Post, the Lamar Ledger, or any other news site. People come to Colorado Pols to read (wait for it) Colorado Pols. It's not any more complicated than that.
Amazon Shutting Down Colorado-Based Associates Over Sales Tax Issue
from the tax-avoidance dept
You may remember last summer that Amazon shut down its affiliate programs in North Carolina, Hawaii and Rhode Island in response to new laws being put in place in those states, which would effectively make any Amazon affiliate an "official" representative of the company in that state, thus requiring that Amazon start collecting sales tax. This followed a similar mess in New York the year before. This is really short-sighted on the part of the states, pushing for additional tax revenue (of course). But it stretches the definition of what it means to have a physical presence in a state to the point where someone who is running an ad for you (all that an affiliate really is) is treated as an employee.
It appears that some states still haven't gotten the message. Michael Long sends over the email he received from Amazon, alerting him that Colorado has now passed a similar law, meaning that no one in Colorado can be an Amazon affiliate any more. Though Amazon is being a bit disingenuous in saying "no other state has similar rules," when other states have, indeed, passed similar rules, and many others are considering similar rules as well.
Of course, this strategy does risk backfiring on Amazon, as it's effectively using its affiliates as pawns in trying to get the state government to repeal this law. The alternative, of course, is that the affiliates just jump ship to another provider.
It appears that some states still haven't gotten the message. Michael Long sends over the email he received from Amazon, alerting him that Colorado has now passed a similar law, meaning that no one in Colorado can be an Amazon affiliate any more. Though Amazon is being a bit disingenuous in saying "no other state has similar rules," when other states have, indeed, passed similar rules, and many others are considering similar rules as well.
Of course, this strategy does risk backfiring on Amazon, as it's effectively using its affiliates as pawns in trying to get the state government to repeal this law. The alternative, of course, is that the affiliates just jump ship to another provider.
Does It Make Sense To Have Libel Be A Criminal Offense?
from the watch-out-what-state-you're-in dept
For the most part, libel is a civil issue between the person who made the libelous statements and the person harmed by those statements. However, there are some states that do have criminal libel laws on the books -- though they're rarely enforced. The state of Colorado, however, apparently is willing to use the law, and the law itself seems fairly broad. It was written over a century ago and says that "tending to blacken the memory of one who is dead" or to "expose the natural defects of one who is alive, and thereby to expose him to public hatred, contempt or ridicule" counts as libel. Libel should be about making materially false statements about someone. If you're exposing the real natural defects of someone, it's difficult to see how that should be considered libel.
Either way, that law is being tested once again, as a man is being charged with criminal libel for posting disparaging messages about his ex-girlfriend (and mother of his child) and her lawyer on Craigslist. The guy says he was only venting -- but it certainly does sound like he was libelous in what he posted. The question, though, remains whether it makes sense for the lawsuit to be criminal, or a civil issue to be taken up directly between the libeled parties and the guy who posted the remarks. Making it a criminal charge seems like a waste of gov't and taxpayer resources concerning a dispute between parties who should be able to settle things via a civil lawsuit.
Either way, that law is being tested once again, as a man is being charged with criminal libel for posting disparaging messages about his ex-girlfriend (and mother of his child) and her lawyer on Craigslist. The guy says he was only venting -- but it certainly does sound like he was libelous in what he posted. The question, though, remains whether it makes sense for the lawsuit to be criminal, or a civil issue to be taken up directly between the libeled parties and the guy who posted the remarks. Making it a criminal charge seems like a waste of gov't and taxpayer resources concerning a dispute between parties who should be able to settle things via a civil lawsuit.
by Mike Masnick
Tue, Dec 18th 2007 9:47pm
Filed Under:
colorado, e-voting
Companies:
diebold, es&s, hart intercivic, premiere voting, sequoia
Colorado The Latest To Ditch E-Voting Machines
from the sounds-familiar dept
Just days after Ohio announced problems with all of the e-voting machines used in that state, Colorado has decertified e-voting machines from all four major vendors in the space, noting serious problems with them all, including a 1% error rate in counting ballots (1%!). So at what point do the e-voting companies stop stonewalling and finally just admit that they need to start again from scratch? At this point, it's beyond clear that none of these firms is even the least bit trustworthy -- and yet, they continue to protest these decertifications, despite piles upon piles of evidence that these machines have serious problems.





