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News You Could Do Without

News You Could Do Without

by Mike Masnick


Filed Under:
bakers, bread, intellectual property, recipes



Bread Battles Raise Questions About Intellectual Property And Recipes

from the not-this-again dept

In this era where everyone wants to "own" unownable ideas and concepts, is it any wonder that there's more and more talk about the idea of extending copyright to other things? We've already discussed how the fashion industry has been agitating for special new "copyrights" despite the fact that their industry is thriving, in part because of the lack of protectionism in the industry. In fact, research suggests that adding such protectionism would significantly harm the industry, by slowing down innovation, decreasing competition and output.

A second area where we've seen stories similar to this is in the food industry. While we just wrote about the ridiculous story of Lebanon wanting official "food copyright" on hummus, falafel and other middle eastern treats, there are some chefs who take the idea of recipe ownership quite seriously. As it stands today, a recipe is not copyrightable -- though the description of how to cook the recipe could be. The list of ingredients, however, is factual.

But chefs are increasingly trying to somehow guard what makes them unique. We've already seen stories of restaurant owners suing former employees for opening up similar restaurants, but it's not clear what's illegal about that at all. If you think you can do a better job than your boss, then splitting off and forming a competitor is how innovation happens. Just look at the history of Silicon Valley, and you see this repeated time and time again. The traitorous eight famously quit Shockley Semiconductor to form Fairchild Semiconductor, because they didn't like how Shockley ran his company (as well as his decision that silicon wasn't worth pursuing). Without that we wouldn't have "Silicon" Valley. And, of course, from people leaving Fairchild, Intel was born.

But, for folks not in the tech industry, apparently these sorts of splits still seem controversial. My friend Tom sent over an article in The Atlantic about battles over bread recipes and bakeries in New York. Apparently, two partners at a bakery split up, and the author of the article expresses some concern over the "ownership" of the bakery's distinctive bread recipes. The article also notes a similar split between the partners of the famous Magnolia cup cake shop in New York, leading one to form a competitor with a similar recipe. Amongst these battles, though, there is one part regarding the bread makers that seems questionable and fraudulent (which happened separately from the ownership split). One of the bread distributors hired on some of the original bakery's employees and started baking its own bread, but used the name and logo of the original bakery, and then delivered the bread to restaurants without letting them know that it wasn't from the actual bakery. That's outright fraud.

But the good news in this story is that while it appears the "divorce" between bakery owners wasn't that pleasant, and the original owner isn't thrilled that there's a competitor in the space, he does seem to realize that there are better ways to go about dealing with the issue than trying to "protect" his bread (especially since his recipes are based on old Roman recipes). He actually notes that the bigger challenge is increasing the size of the "craft bread" market and taking away business from the big industrial bread makers. It's not about protectionism of a tiny market, it's about increasing the overall pie of the market he's in -- and that may even mean teaming up with his former partner with whom he split, noting that he's looking to form a Craft Bread Association, and will ask his former partner to be the first member. How refreshing.

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Legal Issues

Legal Issues

by Mike Masnick


Filed Under:
copyright, recipes



Recipes: Shared And Improved On For Years... Now Targeted By Copyright Cops?

from the using-this-recipe-may dept

Earlier this year, we noted that intellectual property issues were moving into the restaurant business, as one restaurant owner accused another of stealing both a restaurant concept and recipes from her restaurant. Last year we also had a story about some chefs trying to get additional copyright protection for their meals, which was a silly request. However, it seems like intellectual property concerns continue to flood the food space, with the firm Attributor, who sets themselves up as something of an online policing system for copyright infringement, has come out with a report about just how common it is for recipes to get passed around the web and posted by multiple people, potentially violating someone's copyrights. As the US Copyright Office makes (somewhat) clear, you cannot copyright a list of ingredients -- but you can copyright "substantial literary expression in the form of an explanation or directions." In other words, the explanation of what to do with the ingredients could be subject to copyright.

But the real question is whether or not this is really an issue. Attributor comes up with a bunch of made up numbers about how much this is "costing" certain sites, but that's not true. As with any bogus copyright "loss" stats, the numbers are both made up and exaggerated -- and have nothing to do with "losses." Rather, they represent dollars that the copyright owner failed to capture, meaning that it's a marketing problem, not a legal one. The story notes that top recipe sites like Epicurious and Allrecipes are losing out on traffic, but it fails to explain how. I use Epicurious quite a bit, and I go to the site not just because I trust it to have good recipes, but because of the additional features Epicurious provides -- including user ratings and reviews. In other words, even with the same recipes being available all over (and, perhaps infringing on copyrights) Epicurious has effectively bypassed this legal issue through smart business practices: building in additional features that make the site valuable enough to me that it's better than just searching out any random recipe online.

Furthermore, it seems especially silly to worry about copyrights in the recipe space. The purpose of copyrights (broken record, I know) is to encourage the creation of content. It is quite difficult to believe that anyone out there believes there is insufficient efforts in creating new recipes. In other words, without enforcing copyrights, there is already sufficient incentives for people to continually create new, interesting and delicious recipes. Historically, recipes have always been a type of content that was eagerly and willingly shared and passed around -- and it has always been common for people to create "derivative works" in modifying and adjusting the ingredients and the instructions to try to improve upon the product. To suddenly bring copyright protections into the space seems both a rejection of that history as well as against the entire purpose of copyrights.

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