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Legal Issues

by Mike Masnick


Filed Under:
copyright infringement, inducement, liable, michael carrier

Companies:
google, grokster, the pirate bay



Would Google Be Liable Under The Pirate Bay Ruling?

from the answer-is-hazy dept

Michael Carrier, a law professor specializing in intellectual property law, was kind enough to let us know about a paper he recently wrote analyzing the Swedish court's ruling in The Pirate Bay Case, and seeing how the reasoning set forth might apply to two other services: Grokster and Google. Grokster, of course, was a key player in a similar US lawsuit, that eventually resulted in the service shutting down. While many believe that the Supreme Court said Grokster was illegal, in reality, the ruling on the case only found that Grokster could be liable as a third party. Grokster itself settled before the lower court could rule on the issue, though co-defendant Streamcast was eventually found liable.

Carrier's analysis suggests that the Swedish ruling over The Pirate Bay did not go into nearly enough detail on why it made its ruling. Many of the explanations are quite vague, and could be broadly applied to other services. The most interesting part of the paper looks at how Google would fare under the same conditions -- and it finds that while Google has some distinct differences from The Pirate Bay, one could read the ruling in such a way that it absolutely would apply to Google as well -- which has troubling implications. At the very least, it suggests that the Swedish court did not fully understand the technology or the implications of such a ruling, and was more influenced by the fact that it seemed like The Pirate Bay must be bad, and therefore decided to support that in the ruling. But without carefully highlighting why The Pirate Bay is different than Google, the ruling is too vague and potentially dangerous.

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Legal Issues

Legal Issues

by Mike Masnick


Filed Under:
business models, copyright, file sharing, inducement, p2p

Companies:
grokster, streamcast



Grokster Case Lives On... Judge Debates How Best To Kill Streamcast

from the so-many-choices dept

Many people think that the Grokster lawsuit ended with the Supreme Court ruling over two years ago. However, that's not the case. The Supreme Court was simply ruling on an aspect of the case (whether software providers were liable for what their users for doing) and then sent the case back to the lower court to then review its original decision. Grokster, whose name the case is most identified with, shut down, but Streamcast was also involved in the case and it decided to fight on, claiming that it did not "induce" infringement, and therefore was not guilty of copyright infringement. Unfortunately, the judge wasn't convinced and still found the company guilty. Since then, there's been an ongoing process of determining just what the punishment should be. The judge clearly hoped that Streamcast would make life easy by settling, but the company is nothing if not persistent in standing by its various lawsuits. Ed Felten points out that the judge is now trying to carefully weigh the punishment options for Streamcast, which seems rather odd, because it's pretty clear that no matter what the punishment, Streamcast is done. There's basically no way for the company to stay in business after losing this case, so Felten can't figure out why the company would keep fighting this -- though, the longer it stays alive, the more chances the RIAA has to claim yet another victory over the company.

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