Snowden's Lawyer Interrogated By UK Authorities At Heathrow Airport

from the not-a-one-off dept

One of the most chilling moments so far in the Snowden saga was when Glenn Greenwald's partner David Miranda was held and interrogated for nine hours at London's Heathrow airport by the UK authorities, in a series of moves worthy of a tinpot dictatorship. And in case you thought that was a one-off, they've done it again -- this time, to Jesselyn Radack, a lawyer who represents Snowden and has spoken on his behalf several times. Here's what happened, as described by Kevin Gosztola on his Firedoglake blog:

Jesselyn Radack told Firedoglake she was directed to a specific Heathrow Border Force agent. He "didn’t seem interested" in her passport. She was then subjected to "very hostile questioning."
After asking what she would be doing in London, and establishing that she would be meeting with Julian Assange at the Ecuadorian Embassy, the border agent moved on to other issues, and showed a surprising knowledge of her recent movements:
"Why have you gone to Russia twice in three months?" Radack said she had a client in the country. "Who?" She answered, "Edward Snowden."

"Who is Edward Snowden?" asked the agent. Radack said he is a whistleblower and an asylee. Then, the agent asked, "Who is Bradley Manning?" To this, she answered, "A whistleblower."

For whatever reason, the agent asked, "Where is he?" "In jail," Radack told the agent. (Now, she is known as Chelsea Manning.)

The agent said, "So he's a criminal?" Radack corrected the agent, "He's a political prisoner." The agent asked if she represented Manning and she said no. Then he followed up, "But you represent Snowden?" She replied, "Yes, I'm a human rights lawyer."
The questions are clearly concerned with one topic -- whistleblowers -- and give the impression that the person asking the questions already knew the answers, but just wanted to put pressure on Radack:
She was "stone face cold" during the interrogation but afterward was shaking and in tears. "How did he know to bring up those names?"
This blatant attempt to intimidate Snowden's lawyer, who was informed that she was on an "inhibited persons list," comes in the wake of news that a US law firm was spied upon as it advised the Indonesian government in a trade dispute with Australia. It confirms that for the US and UK governments, nothing is exempt from their total surveillance, not even information traditionally covered by attorney-client privilege.

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    Duke (profile), Feb 17th, 2014 @ 11:30am

    I wonder what legal authority they used for this. And whether this could be another potentially-embarrassing case against the Home Office for illegal stops & questionings.

    That said, she did admit to going to meet a wanted fugitive, may have been coming from another person who is probably on some wanted lists, and I'm not sure the extent to which legal privilege would cover a border stop for questions.

    Harassment, though, isn't acceptable; if they wanted to arrest her, they should have done that, and been upfront about it. More likely, though, this is incompetence; she's on a list somewhere, flagged up Snowden and Assange (also, presumably on lists) so some border agent thought this might be interesting.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 17th, 2014 @ 12:54pm

    That the 'agent' asked about Manning, is a straight clue this was planned with the questioner already knowing Mrs. Radack was coming through. It was planned from that moment how it would be done, including the hostile atmosphere. What the NSA as well as the GCHQ want more than anything is to stop the embarrassment that these revelations have brought up in incidents.

    They stopped David Miranda not because they suspected he was a terrorist but rather because they wanted to know what info Snowden had and Miranda's documents would provide some of that information. They are still trying to find out all he has. Several attempts have been made to explain to the public they are aware of what he had and each time they have come away with egg on their faces and a new batch of embarrassing releases following.

    No one can believe either the spy agencies and what they say, nor the apologists, nor their respective governments when it comes to legality, oversight, nor explanations. Nothing short of a full independent investigation with people outside the insiders will ever satisfy the pubic at this stage. Everything that has been put out has been lies and misdirections of the truth. It will take that to break through the cloak and dagger atmosphere of those agencies and determine just how far outside legality they have actually went. That they have broken many laws, both domestic and international goes without saying.

    In the meantime, the longer it goes on, the worse it looks for these governments involved.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 17th, 2014 @ 12:56pm

    Bulk unconstitutional spying, will always be used to abuse human rights. Past history has proven this to be true. As does current events such as the ones unfolding in Heathrow Airport.

    These bulk data collection spy programs, will always be used to suppress dissidents, blackmail politicians, and to perform industrial espionage.

    These are simply the facts of the matter. Proven true by the past, and also right now in the present.

     

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    That Anonymous Coward (profile), Feb 17th, 2014 @ 1:02pm

    If this was a "3rd World" nation, the same people who ordered this to happen, they would be screaming about rights violations.

    How are they blind that they have become worse than those they claim to protect us from.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 17th, 2014 @ 1:16pm

    Would you like some tea with your tyranny?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 17th, 2014 @ 1:40pm

    It seems the US and UK governments are trying to out-KGB the KGB. Putin, watch out - you've got competition! Pretty soon, instead of just being detained by the thugs, the people will simply disappear - never to be seen again.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 17th, 2014 @ 1:48pm

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    arrogance of power.

    They got away so far and expect to get away with it in the future. They consider themselves above the law, untouchable, indestructible. They don't care about their official duties, they just care about power. Power they should never have been allowed to wield in the first place.

    These people are criminally insane, the worst sociopaths you can imagine.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 17th, 2014 @ 1:51pm

    I'm wondering whether this kind of behaviour is really new or just being reported now. I would not be surprised if this kind of thing happened in the 50s, 70s, 90s. It was ever thus, I suspect.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 17th, 2014 @ 1:59pm

    More and more, the "Department of Justice" is acting like the Gestapo and the Stasi, only on a global scale.

    This...is not a positive comparison.

     

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    Durgaenil, Feb 17th, 2014 @ 2:00pm

    Re:

    As Rick Falkvinge put it: When did we become the ones we werent...
    http://torrentfreak.com/when-did-we-become-the-ones-we-werent-110204/

     

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    krolork (profile), Feb 17th, 2014 @ 2:23pm

    We need a revolution.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 17th, 2014 @ 2:29pm

    surely it shows that whoever it is with their right hand up Obama's back, yanking his cords, he has the left one up Cameron's back, doing the same thing. like it says in the article, the USA and UK are hand in glove in the 'surveille everyone, everywhere'. how else, if they haven't been eaves dropping, know what they did about Jesselyn Radack?
    it seems to me to be getting extremely scary and i can see a big falling out between the UK and the EU in the very not too distant future! Cameron wants to make sure he knows whose balls are hanging what side, or he could easily be losing his!!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 17th, 2014 @ 2:42pm

    Personally I want to know who's dick is being sucked by the UK in order to stay very highly on those "freedom index" lists. (Wikipedia, Reporters Without Borders, etc.)

    We're far beyond the concept of free now.

     

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    Isma'il, Feb 17th, 2014 @ 2:58pm

    This just goes to show

    that all governments are basically corrupt. Doesn't matter what the national language is, the economic system (capitalism, socialism, communism, fascism, etc) is, what party is in power (liberals, tories, labour, etc), or who the leader(s) is (are). Dare to go against the status quo and you risk disrupting established institutions and that's the last thing those in power want to happen.

     

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    Rekrul, Feb 17th, 2014 @ 3:05pm

    "Who is Edward Snowden?"

    "He's a gourmet chef whose food I can't live without."

    "No, he's a traitor to the US government!"

    "Why were you asking me questions you already had the answers to?"

     

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    Bpat, Feb 17th, 2014 @ 3:28pm

    The problem here in Aus is no one seems to care...

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 17th, 2014 @ 3:49pm

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    It's how lawyers are trained. You NEVER ask a question you don't already have the answer to. They don't like surprises.

     

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    Duke (profile), Feb 17th, 2014 @ 3:56pm

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    But you missed the first rule of lawyering; never lie. If you lie you might get into trouble. So you have to come up with a way of answering the question without giving them any new information and without lying. So "he's a whistle-blower and asylee" - which is obviously something the border guard will know, so isn't going to be remotely useful to the border guard, or have any chance of incriminating the lawyer.

    Source; went through lawyer training (well some of it).

     

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    btrussell (profile), Feb 17th, 2014 @ 5:08pm

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    First they came for the lawyers and everyone was grateful...

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 17th, 2014 @ 6:29pm

    She was "stone face cold" during the interrogation but afterward was shaking and in tears. "How did he know to bring up those names?"

    Maybe Snowden needs a tougher lawyer.

     

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    That One Guy (profile), Feb 17th, 2014 @ 6:52pm

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    I believe it's a matter of poor wording, the 'stone face cold' is likely referring to the harassing 'officer', while the second half is talking about the lawyer, and as far as getting a 'tougher lawyer', I wouldn't look down on the woman for having such a reaction to the interrogation, it's blatantly clear that's exactly what was intended, so I'm sure they did everything they could to get her to break down.

     

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    That One Guy (profile), Feb 17th, 2014 @ 7:03pm

    Well, seems the UK has figured out a nice little way to skip past those pesky 'rights' things.

    Arrest someone, and they have rights, there are limits as to what they can do to you, and there are records about the incident. However, if you just 'question' someone... heck, 'forget' to do the paperwork, or record it, and the event 'never happened'.

     

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    Just Sayin', Feb 17th, 2014 @ 7:21pm

    Rights at the border

    To be fair, the border agent can ask pretty much anything, and during that time frame, you are not "in" the country - you are requesting to enter.

    This lawyer needs to realize that her clients are mostly "enemy of the state" types, and there is substantial risk that the lawyer may also be a go between, not only representing her clients but also carrying documents one to the other. In fact, based on her connection to Snowden, "chelsea", and meeting up with Assange you can bet it's a pretty good chance that she is being used in ways for these people to communicate. The questions at the border basically were about the reasons she was coming to the UK, and who she represented.

    Honestly, she is lucky she got in at all. It would be very easy for the border agents to deny her entry, saying that Assange was not "in the country" but rather in Equador (technically, the embassy is their territory) and sent her back from where she came.

    If she is going to represent disloyal people, she needs to understand that she is in for a very rough ride - and potentially even getting banned from entering the country.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 17th, 2014 @ 8:29pm

    UK is like USA: fascist.

     

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    Fitzwilly (profile), Feb 17th, 2014 @ 9:08pm

    If you keep on idolizing libertarian assholes like Snowden and Greenwald

    ...It will go badly for us all come mid-term election time, and with the Demms losing a a result of all this bullshit wanking over who wants to look at our emails or porn stashes (hint; nobody in th NSA wants to.) Leave the paranoia bullshit in the Phantom Zone where it belongs, along with the two idiots who are hell bent of profiting from it.

     

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    Fitzwilly (profile), Feb 17th, 2014 @ 9:17pm

    There are no puppets or puppateers

    Nobody's got their hand up Obama's ass; you and the other emoprogs, on the other hand, have sticks up all of yours. Any chance that the paranoid tinfoil hat bullshit can be nipped in the bud, or at least maybe medicated away? The Obama Derangement Syndrome being exhibited here is annoying.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 17th, 2014 @ 9:21pm

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    It goes a bit further than that as Putin showed them the way to use the customs area as a non-in-country location. If it is not in that country then it doesn't and isn't required to follow the laws of that country. This is why they are doing this at the airport.

     

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    Fitzwilly (profile), Feb 17th, 2014 @ 9:23pm

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    Maybe Snowden needs to man up, come back to the USA, and accept the consequences like the adult that he claims he is. But the problem is, he's a whiny man-child who thinks that he's just like MLK (at least MLK and others like him went to jail for what they believed in, unlike this bozo.) Please get wise and stop believing in bullshit.

     

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    Lurker Keith, Feb 17th, 2014 @ 9:41pm

    idiots

    You'd think at least the Western Nations would understand that Human Rights Violations like this will end up on the internet, for the entire world to see, including those that oversee whatever courts deal w/ International Human Rights Violations.

    This was a stupid move for the US & UK (you know they at least discussed this). I hope to see the UK, if not also the US, on trial for this. That should be sufficiently embarrassing to make at least Congress think twice about letting it continue & hopefully light a fire under them to speed up the process to stop it.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 17th, 2014 @ 9:41pm

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    Yeah, why don't all the people who disagree out themselves and let those in power imprison them where they can't do anything? It's so unfair!

     

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    Fitzwilly (profile), Feb 17th, 2014 @ 9:43pm

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    And emoprogs like you are like the tinfoil hat brigade seen in every city at most homeless shelters-crazy as ever.

     

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    That Crazy Freetard (profile), Feb 17th, 2014 @ 10:11pm

    Re: If you keep on idolizing libertarian assholes like Snowden and Greenwald

    That's one twisted world view you have.

    Snowden and Greenwald, profiteers?

    Sure seems an odd and incongruous means to an end.

     

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    That One Guy (profile), Feb 17th, 2014 @ 10:45pm

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    Ah good old ad hom, 'When you can't attack the message, attack the messenger'.

    Only a complete and utter fool would stay within reach of the US after exposing their illegal and quasi-legal actions to the public that they'd been spying on and lying to, the fact that Snowden didn't stick around has nothing to do with 'avoiding the consequences of his actions', and everything to do with 'staying away from a government that has shown no hesitation in lashing out against those that expose their actions'.

    No matter how much you sling around the insults, I'm glad to say, the cat's out of the bag, and your precious spy agencies, and those that support them, have been exposed as the corrupt, power-hungry scum that they are, and each new and additional article on their actions makes it all the more clear.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 18th, 2014 @ 12:42am

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    My guess is the BBC bumps them up some.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 18th, 2014 @ 12:46am

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    Well then, why do you have any faith in the integrity of the Tripartite Government in the US?

     

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    Fitzwilly (profile), Feb 18th, 2014 @ 1:41am

    Re: Re: If you keep on idolizing libertarian assholes like Snowden and Greenwald

    Want the evidence? Here are the articles that present it:

    http://www.thepeoplesview.net/p/search.html

     

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    Fitzwilly (profile), Feb 18th, 2014 @ 1:48am

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    There is no government of which you speak; it feels like the Obama Derangement Syndrome that's been gripping the left since since the late 2000's has done some nasty work on people's minds.

    Why do you believe this nonsense? Are you aware that this makes the left no better than the right?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 18th, 2014 @ 2:38am

    Re: Re: Re: If you keep on idolizing libertarian assholes like Snowden and Greenwald

    Nice empty listing there. Actually searching Snowden reveals a collection of "articles" that qualify as the stupidest thing I have read all year.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 18th, 2014 @ 3:31am

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    And let's say he did get arrested; what would you have said? "Serves the jackass right for getting caught"?

     

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    btrussell (profile), Feb 18th, 2014 @ 4:02am

    Re: If you keep on idolizing libertarian assholes like Snowden and Greenwald

    Maybe no one in the NSA wants it, but they will sell it to whoever does want it. Why else collect it?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 18th, 2014 @ 7:37am

    Get him all that's due him

    Traitors should not even get a trial, let alone a fair one. I did not have a choice when he put me at risk, nor did the millions upon millions of Americans he put at risk by proceeding with his agenda to take out his grievances against the United States Government. I won't sleep well again until I see him hanging from a yardarm for his treason against the people of the United States of America.

     

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    nasch (profile), Feb 18th, 2014 @ 7:46am

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    Maybe Snowden needs to man up, come back to the USA, and accept the consequences like the adult that he claims he is.

    Why should he do that? And anyway, he can't; the US revoked his passport. He can't leave Russia now.

     

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    Gwiz (profile), Feb 18th, 2014 @ 7:46am

    Re: Get him all that's due him

    I did not have a choice when he put me at risk, nor did the millions upon millions of Americans he put at risk by proceeding with his agenda to take out his grievances against the United States Government.


    Umm...care to elaborate on this "risk" you speak of?

    Thus far, the only harm I've seen come from the Snowden revelations is to the credibility of the US government and the other Five Eye nations.

     

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    nasch (profile), Feb 18th, 2014 @ 7:47am

    Re: Get him all that's due him

    Traitors should not even get a trial, let alone a fair one.

    So I guess unlike Snowden, you don't believe in the Constitution.

    I did not have a choice when he put me at risk

    How exactly did he put you at risk?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 18th, 2014 @ 9:14am

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    "I wonder what legal authority they used for this."


    "Because we can. You wanna make sumthin of it?"

     

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    btrussell (profile), Feb 18th, 2014 @ 11:07am

    Re: Get him all that's due him

    "Traitors should not even get a trial, let alone a fair one."

    How do you determine if he is one?

     

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    btrussell (profile), Feb 18th, 2014 @ 11:10am

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    And some people wonder at the problem of bullying. Trickle effect.

     

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    nasch (profile), Feb 18th, 2014 @ 11:36am

    Re: Re: Get him all that's due him

    How do you determine if he is one?

    That one ought to stump him.

     

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    kitsune361, Feb 18th, 2014 @ 1:12pm

    Re: If you keep on idolizing libertarian assholes like Snowden and Greenwald

    I will never understand the level of stupidity that comes with the partisan hacks that circle their wagons around authoritarian government overreach just because it's Democrats calling the shots.

    He railed against the Bush administration for their civil liberties record just as much as he does against the Obama administration. Just like the line from The Who song, "... meet the new boss, same as the old boss."

    "... libertarian assholes..." indeed. FFS, he gave the keynote at the annual Socialism Conference in Chicago in 2013.

    So, tear down the man w/ ad hominem attacks instead of addressing the issues.. because any politician who doesn't address the issues deserves what's coming to them in the upcoming election... regardless of party.

    Let me be bipartisan and say, to bad we don't have a chance of losing Feinstein (D) this election cycle but at least we have a chance of losing Mike Rogers (R).

     

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    Niall (profile), Feb 18th, 2014 @ 2:48pm

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    Oh yes, like nearly anyone who has either done something wrong, or is accused of doing something wrong. People *fight* to be allowed into court - not.

    I bet if you were accused of serious crap, especially in another country by some government, you wouldn't be any more 'manful' either. So stop whining about your sour grapes that Snowden actually has a pair and did some good for the world.

     

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    Niall (profile), Feb 18th, 2014 @ 2:49pm

    Re: Get him all that's due him

    What about the increased risk we didn't ask for when our governments invaded Arab countries on the flimsiest of excuses?

     

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    Fitzwilly (profile), Feb 18th, 2014 @ 3:07pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: If you keep on idolizing libertarian assholes like Snowden and Greenwald

    Empty to YOU, not to ME. Did you at least click on the links and read the articles?

     

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    Fitzwilly (profile), Feb 18th, 2014 @ 3:17pm

    Re: Re: If you keep on idolizing libertarian assholes like Snowden and Greenwald

    The "issues" need tissues because they are full of shit like the people that bring them up. There`s more important things to be concerned with than who`s looking at somebody`s mail, and instead of addressing them, the left is self-ratfucking itself into oblivion at warp speed, and taking other good progressive movements and people with it. Snowden just did this because he was a libertarian asswipe who got disillusioned and suddenly hated Obama (or maybe his underwear got too tight, I don`t know.) Either way, he`s full of it, and this bullshit he spawned is dragging the left and progressive politics down with it.

     

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    Fitzwilly (profile), Feb 18th, 2014 @ 3:18pm

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    You need to read Saul Alinsky first before you do.

     

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    Fitzwilly (profile), Feb 18th, 2014 @ 3:29pm

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    I guess that the people who did accept the consequences and did go to jail in the past for what they believed (Nelson Mandela, MLK, etc.)are `fools` by your reckoning, then.

    BTW, asswipe, they`re not `my` precious spy agencies, but thanks for being a libertarian emoprog fool and idiot with no sense of history other than what happened to them yesterday all of the same.

     

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    Fitzwilly (profile), Feb 18th, 2014 @ 3:31pm

    Re: Get him all that's due him

    Well, at the most, all he deserves is 50 years in jail, not a hanging-that, I`ll be glad to see happen to him. And I hope that Greenbum goes with him.

     

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    Fitzwilly (profile), Feb 18th, 2014 @ 3:33pm

    Re: Re: Get him all that's due him

    Those had NOTHING to do with this incident, other than emoprogs trying to play `connect the dots`and failing.

     

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    Fitzwilly (profile), Feb 18th, 2014 @ 3:34pm

    Re: Re: Re: Get him all that's due him

    U.S. law pretty much spells it out, I`d think. And unlike you, at least I do think.

     

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    Fitzwilly (profile), Feb 18th, 2014 @ 3:39pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    There`s something called going to the U.S. embassy and turning oneself in, I guess? He could try that.

     

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    Fitzwilly (profile), Feb 18th, 2014 @ 3:41pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    The connection is only in YOUR mind, and nobody else`s that can think clearly.

     

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    Fitzwilly (profile), Feb 18th, 2014 @ 3:48pm

    Re: Re:

    "Because we can. You wanna make sumthin of it?"

    Because it`s a written and actually existing law? Stop making up bullshit just to support Snowden.

     

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    kitsune361, Feb 18th, 2014 @ 3:52pm

    Re: Re: Re: If you keep on idolizing libertarian assholes like Snowden and Greenwald

    "... the left is self-ratfucking itself into oblivion at warp speed, and taking other good progressive movements and people with it."

    That's something I agree with. What the hell does the Democrats and the organized portions of the Left in the US even stand for anymore? The whole place has been hollowed out and sold to the highest bidder and instead of "Change we can believe in" we get the same rat-fucking (to use your word) DINOs selling us out.

     

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    kitsune361, Feb 18th, 2014 @ 4:08pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Can one simultaneously suffer from both Bush Derangement Syndrome and Obama Derangement Syndrome at the same time?

    You throw around this phrase "Obama Derangement Syndrome"... I do not think it means what you think it means.

    Let me put it another way: by so casually throwing around that phrase you make it sound like the choice is either you support the lawlessness of the USG and the National Security State just because there is a Democrat in office or you're an ignorant, talk-radio-listening, ditto-head conservative?

    Make yourself clear. From your other posts it just seems like you're taking all this criticism of the government as a personal affront against the President, who you have the utmost faith in, and you're trying to make this about the perceived political views of the people bringing this information to light. Do you have no capacity for nuance?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 18th, 2014 @ 5:02pm

    Re: Rights at the border

    Whined the Brit rotting in Hong Kong.

     

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    nasch (profile), Feb 18th, 2014 @ 5:10pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: If you keep on idolizing libertarian assholes like Snowden and Greenwald

    Empty to YOU, not to ME.

    Empty to me, too. You just linked to the search form.

     

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    nasch (profile), Feb 18th, 2014 @ 5:11pm

    Re: Re: Re: If you keep on idolizing libertarian assholes like Snowden and Greenwald

    Snowden just did this because he was a libertarian asswipe who got disillusioned and suddenly hated Obama (or maybe his underwear got too tight, I don`t know.)

    I certainly believe those last three words.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 18th, 2014 @ 5:21pm

    Fitzwilly, are you competing to replace out_of_the_blue here? Are we going to start seeing paranoid time stamp hashes at the end of your posts as "proof" that it's you posting?

     

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    That One Guy (profile), Feb 18th, 2014 @ 9:17pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Right, you might want to do a little checking, and see what happened to those that did 'accept the consequences' when it came to revealing illegal or quasi-legal actions on the part of the government in recent history. To put it simply, it didn't go well for them, and pretty much nothing actually got fixed, so Snowden sticking around would have been nothing but counterproductive.

    A comment that lists several examples:
    http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130725/16280123948/government-argues-bradley-manning-was -anarchist-as-case-closes.shtml#c450

    BTW, asswipe, they`re not `my` precious spy agencies, but thanks for being a libertarian emoprog fool and idiot with no sense of history other than what happened to them yesterday all of the same.

    Not 'your' spy agencies, and yet you're apparently taking it personal when people question them, right...

    Also, I just have to ask, do you honestly think swearing and throwing out such laughable insults make your argument seem stronger? Because I don't know about you, but when someone starts slinging around personal attack and swearing at the person they're talking to, I don't assume it means they have a solid argument, I assume it means they have no argument, and are trying to cover for the lack by attacking the other person.

     

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    btrussell (profile), Feb 19th, 2014 @ 3:52am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Get him all that's due him

    Looks like I am the first one to stop laughing after that comment. But it keeps coming back. Okay, I think I've stopped now...Finally! My tummy hurts!

    Sorry, but I cannot mark as funny if you answer yes to either of these questions:

    a) Are you an American?
    b) Are you a politician?

    Willy answer these questions. Well, will he?

    P.S. While there are a handful of regular posters who don't think, nasch is not one of them, but, welcome to the club!

     

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    btrussell (profile), Feb 19th, 2014 @ 4:21am

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Clearly, the problem has been eliminated then, right?

    Did you invent the toothbrush? I only ask because most of us would have called it a teethbrush.

     

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    That One Guy (profile), Feb 19th, 2014 @ 8:11am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Get him all that's due him

    'U.S. law'... you mean that law you're advocating ignoring by skipping that whole 'fair trial', or even 'trial' bother and going straight to the execution?

    And you wonder why people say it would have been a stupid idea for him to stick around and 'accept the consequences of his actions'...

    Considering more and more 'patriots' such as yourselves seem to be advocating no trial, just mob 'justice' for anyone who makes the USG look bad by exposing their actions, whistleblowers would have to be suicidally stupid to willingly put themselves within reach of people like you, because even if 99% of you are just full of hot air, all it takes is one person with a gun who decides to 'deal' with the 'traitor', and they're either eating lead, or imprisoned under the guise of 'protective custody'.

     

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    Niall (profile), Feb 21st, 2014 @ 1:32am

    Re: Re: Re: Get him all that's due him

    At least we have some dots, not like 'they have WMD' and 'because terrorism' security theatre!

     

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