60 Minutes Continues Its Track Record Of Letting US National Security Officials Lie On Camera Without Challenge

from the and-another-one dept

Apparently, CBS News' 60 Minutes show is looking to end the year by being the choice of intelligence community propagandists everywhere, rather than listening to their well-respected colleague Morley Safer (still reporting at age 82) who once wrote a column quoting a US official telling him "look, if you think any American official is going to tell you the truth, then you're stupid." Safer's colleagues at 60 Minutes would do well to keep that in mind, but when it comes to national security issues, they seem to prefer, as "reporter" John Miller has admitted, to be there solely to help the NSA get their side of the story out, no matter how bogus it might be.

The week after Miller's big NSA love letter, 60 Minutes followed it up this week by having Lesley Stahl interview national security adviser to the President, Susan Rice. Rice makes a few claims that are just ridiculous. Here's the most ridiculous:
Lesley Stahl: Officials in the intelligence community have actually been untruthful both to the American public in hearings in Congress and to the FISA Court.

Susan Rice: There have been cases where they have inadvertently made false representations. And they themselves have discovered it and corrected it.
This is not true. James Clapper flat out lied to Congress, and not inadvertently, either. In fact, the only use of the word "inadvertently" came in the direct lie that Clapper told, when he said that the US may "inadvertently" collect data on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans.

Furthermore, the idea that "they themselves have discovered and corrected it" is also completely and totally bogus. As Ron Wyden has noted, he not only sent Clapper that question ahead of time, the very next day, his office contacted Clapper's office to ask if Clapper wanted to change his answer, and Clapper refused to do so. Then, when the Snowden leaks came out, proving that Clapper had lied, Clapper still tried to deny it. First he lied again, by saying he thought Wyden asked a different question (about email collections), but then Wyden pointed out that this was untrue, since he had sent Clapper the question the day before and the wording of the question was very clear. Next, Clapper claimed that it was impossible to answer the "have you stopped beating your wife" question in a "yes or no" manner -- even though the question was nothing like that. Then he finally said that he gave "the least untruthful" answer, by which he meant he flat out lied.

It was only once the public pointed out that he was lying that Clapper was forced to send a letter admitting that he spoke "erroneously."

So, Rice is either totally misinformed, or she's lying again to try to play down James Clapper lying to Congress. To claim both that the lies were "inadvertent" and that they were discovered by the intelligence community themselves and corrected is simply, unequivocally, false. Stahl could have called her out on this, but didn't. Honestly, my guess is that Rice is getting her talking points mixed up. The NSA likes to claim that when the NSA analysts have abused the system to spy on people illegally (such as "love interests") that they've discovered it themselves and reported it. Of course, even that's untrue. Many of the abuses were discovered years later -- and it's likely many were never discovered.

Meanwhile, as Rice completely brushes off the actual crime committed by Clapper by lying about, she also ratchets up the claims against Snowden... by lying about him as well. As Philip Bump points out, Stahl asks the same ridiculous question that keeps getting asked about will the administration offer Snowden amnesty for no longer releasing any more documents, ignoring that Snowden has already said that he no longer has the documents anyway. There's also the rotating claims of how many documents Snowden took (as if you can define "document" as a single entity anyway). For a while the claim was tens of thousands -- with most placing it in the 50,000 to 70,000 range. Yet, on last week's 60 Minutes suddenly it was 1.7 million documents. This past week it was just 1.5 million.

60 Minutes had a reputation for holding the government's feet to the fire on things with tough, knowledgeable questions. Lately, though, it seems to think its role is to act as a PR channel for the NSA.


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    Guardian, Dec 23rd, 2013 @ 2:29pm

    since they set up that one report ....

    since they set up that one report ....the shows been copted and no longer holds any respect...no american media does.....

    if your not bent over doing as they want , they set you up...if they can't do that, they call you a commie or radical or terrorist.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 23rd, 2013 @ 2:37pm

    Just submit the long form denial

    After this and the recent revelations with RSA, I am starting to wonder if the NSA has paid 60 Minutes $10 million to promote their propaganda. Or as RSA would say, "not question the propaganda that was placed in our laps, but take them for their word that it is true."

    So, 60 Minutes, did you receive any money from the NSA for airing either piece and not asking pertinent questions?

     

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    Baron von Robber, Dec 23rd, 2013 @ 2:46pm

    !!

    "A Journalist!"

    "A Journalist!"

    "My kingdom for a Journalist!"

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 23rd, 2013 @ 3:51pm

    tick tick tick tick tick tick

    sounds like a terrorist organization -

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 23rd, 2013 @ 3:52pm

    Re: Just submit the long form denial

    Hey

    10 million isn't a bribe

    It's paying for an extended dinner date.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 23rd, 2013 @ 3:57pm

    Crony Journalism at It's Finest

    Subject line says it all.

     

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    Me, Dec 23rd, 2013 @ 3:59pm

    Traitors

    Add Susan Rice to the current list of pathetic hacks who ignore the Constitution and their duties to American citizens.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 23rd, 2013 @ 4:46pm

    Look at the bright side. When all this gets ruled illegal they have the evidence on tape and it has had public viewing. Of course no investigative journalism will happen there.

    What you are seeing is a fine example Obama pushed for the supporting of propaganda being legal to feed the public through the news.

     

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    apauld (profile), Dec 23rd, 2013 @ 5:27pm

    60 Minutes

    When did CBS decide to turn 60 Minutes into their own version Saturday Night Live?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 23rd, 2013 @ 5:43pm

    Now lets see if anyone gets charged in Wisconsin:

    https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/statutes/statutes/942


    942.03  Giving false information for publication. Whoever, with intent that it be published and that it injure any person, and with knowledge that it is false, communicates to a newspaper, magazine, or other publication any false statement concerning any person or any false and unauthorized advertisement is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.
    History: 1977 c. 173.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 23rd, 2013 @ 5:58pm

    Brownie Points

    "So, Rice is either totally misinformed, or she's lying again..."

    Stahl doesn't seem to care which it is so long as she gets her brownie points.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 23rd, 2013 @ 8:12pm

    Watch Thailand, that's your future

    In Thailand there is a man, who took a mob of about 50-100k people, he marched on the capital, took over government buildings, pretended the mob was 3.5 million people and may yet seize power. He wants to put in a 'peoples democratic reform committee', which is code for 400 of his chosen friends.

    He's well connected. His friends are powerful and dominate the mechanics of government. So much so, the elected PM isn't really in charge. She negotiates with the various government bodies to implement the laws. He's currently charged with insurrection and murder, yet hasn't been arrested, because the police won't arrest him.

    This is your future. A democracy that negotiates with the NSA not to spy on Americans, negotiates with the CIA not to seize power, negotiates with the army not to have a coup, negotiates with the police to arrest criminals.

    This is NSA's *present* situation. NSA is already at that stage. You already negotiate with the NSA to comply with the law.

     

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    The Real Michael, Dec 24th, 2013 @ 5:42am

    Yeah, so what else is new? The mainstream media works for the state and corporations, not the people. Thankfully their ratings are plummeting and people are dropping cable/satellite in record numbers.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 26th, 2013 @ 3:18pm

    Fuck you assholes.

     

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