President Obama: NSA Surveillance Was Necessary To Make Sure Boston Bombings Weren't Part Of Bigger Plot

from the sorry-about-the-explosions... dept

Huffington Post has an article about how President Obama is meeting with many of the biggest Congressional critics of the NSA surveillance programs to discuss their concerns. However, on Wednesday he also met with larger groups in the House and Senate, where he continued to stand behind the programs. At the very bottom of the article is this stunning tidbit:
Obama reiterated his call for a "balance" between privacy and national security, but also invoked the Boston Marathon bombings as an example of where data collected by the NSA helped "identify whether there was a great plot."
Right. So, after there was a bombing which no intelligence agency spotted beforehand, he's now claiming that the NSA got to jump into action to find out that there wouldn't be any more bombings because there was no bigger plot. We're not even in the silly debunked realm of "preventing terrorist events" anymore. Now we're at "Great work everyone! We found out that there's no larger plot to worry about -- sorry about the explosions and related mess." Using the discovery of a lack of further threats after a bombing happened undetected to justify spying on all Americans? That's crazy.

When that's the best you can do to defend this program, something is clearly wrong. The program didn't prevent the bombing. It may have allowed law enforcement to be more confident that there wasn't a larger plot behind it slightly faster than regular police work did, but that's not exactly a reason to violate everyone's privacy, now is it?


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    Jay (profile), Aug 1st, 2013 @ 7:27am

    Making it clear

    Let me get this fucking straight...

    I'm supposed to believe that the surveillance would help we, the people?

    The security theater is ridiculous

    It didn't stop the Boston Bomber. It didn't stop the Ft Hood bombing. It didn't even stop the Washington shooter.
    we shut down a city for Gods' sake and that wasn't what got the Tsarnaev. As soon as the police stopped their search a private citizen found the guy an hour later!

    So now, our president, who supports these programs, wants to tell me that they needed these programs? NEEDED?!

    No, you need a swift kick in the ass for lying to the American people. You need a better strategy than taking away the freedoms of the Constitution and only giving it to your financial backers. You need to learn from history and quit repeating it. You need to fire the people that have you wrapped around your finger as a public figure while you support their policies (looking at YOU Keith Alexander!). Finally, you need to grow a pair and face the music that the American public DOES. NOT. LIKE. BEING. SPIED. ON. BY. OUR. GOVERNMENT.

    We did not sign up for constant surveillance. It didn't work for the past decade. You used drone strikes in our name and we're unhappy with that. You abused a war on an idea that was unpatriotic and created massive deaths in multiple countries. You cared more about your backers than the American people which you gave the worst debt to. You continued the Bush doctrine which essentially continued the problems that we've had since Reagan.

    It's time to END IT! The internet is our global democracy, not the plaything of politicians that don't understand it. The government was created of, by, and for the people. Your surveillance is wrong, unconstitutional, and undemocratic. It cuts against political and patriotic lines and does nothing to help anything beyond the state to lose legitimacy. That is not the American way. It's the way of tyrants and dictatorship.

     

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    Zakida Paul (profile), Aug 1st, 2013 @ 8:27am

    Meanwhile

    The NSA has paid GCHQ £100m over 3 years for access and influence over UK intelligence gathering.

    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/aug/01/nsa-paid-gchq-spying-edward-snowden

    It appears that the 'special relationship' is all about the US spying on UK and the UK spying on Americans, and sharing the information between each other.

    Can you just hurry up and add another star to the US flag for your 51st state (the UK)?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 1st, 2013 @ 8:33am

    If it had been part of a wider plot, it would have been obvious from other incidents happening long before the NSA could search the data. Terrorists involved in a wider plot, like the London tube and bus bombing, make sure everything happens within a short tine because the first incident will cause a lot of police and security service activity. The increased security level alone would make life more difficult for others to carry out an attack with any delay after the first.
    The data would only have helped in a psot mortem analysis of the plot, not in preventing closely spaced in time attacks.

     

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    Y, Aug 1st, 2013 @ 8:38am

    Re: Meanwhile

    "Can you just hurry up and add another star to the US flag for your 51st state (the UK)?"
    Of course not, that would make the spying illegal.

     

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    Transmitte (profile), Aug 1st, 2013 @ 8:40am

    Hrm, This reminds me of the old saying "Don't piss on my back and tell me its raining".

    I don't appreciate being lied to, especially in the interests of "national security", that just makes me think of that dumb ass movie of the same name, and is just about as brilliant.

    Just stop, please stop the bald face lying, you're busted on it and continuing to lie about it just makes it worse. Oh wait, he's out at the end of this term, why should he care?

     

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    Paul, Aug 1st, 2013 @ 8:43am

    So, when do we start putting them in Jail??

    OR - Should we start using their tactics (on them) and wait for some of our more impatient "Citizens" to start shooting (at them) so we can lock them up "FOR THEIR OWN SAFETY & PROTECTION"??

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 1st, 2013 @ 8:45am

    "President Obama: NSA Surveillance Was Necessary To Make Sure Boston Bombings Weren't Part Of Bigger Plot"

    And yet, this same apparatus could not locate the main suspect of said bombing without shutting down a city and turning it into a warzone.

    And even then they couldn't find him. It had to be a civilian to spot him.

    Who the fuck do they think they are fooling?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 1st, 2013 @ 8:46am

    This idea we must turn into a surveillance state just in case there are terrorists and they do something is over with as far as I am concerned. These yoyos that voted against the Amish proposed bill as well as those that voted this mess in without any real sort of oversight will not get my vote this coming election. Period.

    So far everything coming from the executive branch and the security side are lies unless they've been caught red handed at it. Even after they are caught with their fingers in the pie, they are still trying to cover up just how bad it is.

    None of this spying business has stopped any terrorists in their acts. Once again we have direction on just how badly the government can spend tax payers money and get diddly squat back for it.

    It's long past time to end this. It's also time we figure out how to impeach Obama over this using the Espionage Act to punish the very whistle blowers he claimed at the start to want to protect.

    There is so much wrong with this government that it is showing up in lack of education, lack of general well being of the citizens and lack of functional jobs. It's high time we changed the direction of this country.

     

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    AndrewLee, Aug 1st, 2013 @ 8:47am

    If that's the case it means they've knew that Boston was going to be bombed for years now and they did nothing to stop it...

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 1st, 2013 @ 8:50am

    this is similar to the bush line there was no more big terrorists attacks on his watch after 9/11

     

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    Ima Fish (profile), Aug 1st, 2013 @ 8:54am

    Let me fix that for you,
    "So, after there was a bombing which no intelligence agency spotted beforehand, despite repeatedly being warned about Dzhokhar Tsarnaev...."

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 1st, 2013 @ 9:00am

    what absolute fucking bull shit! when the leader of a nation whose security forces have been caught up to no good, can only come out with the most ridiculous statement like this, everyone knows it's crap! this is trying to condone the completely unnecessary actions being carried out on ordinary people! the only reasons this was going on was
    a) because the security services were trying to justify the extortionate amount of money it was being funded with
    b) because ordinary people who have nothing to hide, are a damn site easier to spy on than the real people who take whatever precautions they deem necessary to remain uncaught! like everyone that doesn't take precautions, they would be well and truly fucked, with nowhere to turn to!

     

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    Dreddsnik, Aug 1st, 2013 @ 9:00am

    @Fish ....

    "So, after there was a bombing which no intelligence agency spotted beforehand, despite repeatedly being warned about Dzhokhar Tsarnaev...."

    If that's true, it makes a bit more sense ( in THEIR eyes ) to just sit on it. They need incidents big enough to justify what they want, yet not so big that they create a massive panic. Not too hot or too cold ... Just right.

     

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    out_of_the_blue, Aug 1st, 2013 @ 9:01am

    Re: Making it clear -- but you LEFT OUT A LOT!

    @"the American public DOES. NOT. LIKE. BEING. SPIED. ON. BY. OUR. GOVERNMENT." -- Oh, but you LOVE being spied on by "friendly" Google! -- Far more than you guys rant about can't split the net into "good" and "bad" parts, you can't let spying run wild in the "commercial" realm, because there's NO separation under the current fascism. Whatever Google gets, the gov't will soon have. Only way to reduce gov't spying is to prohibit corporations TOO.

     

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    Nellius (profile), Aug 1st, 2013 @ 9:08am

    Re: Re: Making it clear -- but you LEFT OUT A LOT!

    Google has a visible privacy policy. The US government does not.

     

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    Zakida Paul (profile), Aug 1st, 2013 @ 9:10am

    Re: Re: Making it clear -- but you LEFT OUT A LOT!

    Ok, I will make this as simple as possible to get it through your head.

    Google = optional
    Government spying = not optional

    Got it? You're welcome

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 1st, 2013 @ 9:16am

    By POTUS logic: "We've been spying on you, the people, for years and we let the Boston bombing happen because we thought it's not the bigger plot. When we got information that they have NYC on their list, we decided to stop them. But we couldn't them find them... for a while."

     

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    out_of_the_blue, Aug 1st, 2013 @ 9:26am

    Re: Re: Re: Making it clear -- but you LEFT OUT A LOT!

    @ "Google has a visible privacy policy. The US government does not." -- IF Snowden leak is accurate, Google gives NSA INVISIBLE "direct" access to its servers. The "policy" means nothing to Google.

     

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    shutslar, Aug 1st, 2013 @ 9:30am

    Great American Rally Cry

    Give me liberty or give me security!

     

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    out_of_the_blue, Aug 1st, 2013 @ 9:30am

    Re: Re: Re: Making it clear -- but you LEFT OUT A LOT!

    @ "Zakida Paul", "Google = optional"

    You're just flatly wrong. And actually, you Techdirt fanboys are quite the minority in viewing Google as benign. Couple recent of the endless examples:

    'Quit Google, Facebook' suggests tech expert as surveillance scandal deepens
    http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-06/10/tim-wu-google-boycott

    NSA is quietly writing code for Google’s Android OS
    http://refreshingnews99.blogspot.in/2013/07/nsa-is-quietly-writing-code-for-googles.html

     

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    Chronno S. Trigger (profile), Aug 1st, 2013 @ 9:32am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Making it clear -- but you LEFT OUT A LOT!

    Then don't use Google.

    Can you offer a similar solution to avoid the US government spying? You can't say "leave the US" since the NSA spies more on other nations. You can't say "Vote the assholes out" because we did. You can't say "protests" because we did.

     

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    Zakida Paul (profile), Aug 1st, 2013 @ 9:33am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Making it clear -- but you LEFT OUT A LOT!

    Guess what? I do not use any Google service or Facebook and it has not diminished my online experience in anyway. Clearly I am not flatly wrong.

     

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    Ninja (profile), Aug 1st, 2013 @ 9:36am

    In other words: "we are so damn incompetent that we couldn't avoid anything despite the mass surveillance in place."

    Reassuring.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 1st, 2013 @ 9:38am

    If it didn't stop the first bombing, what would make us believe it would stop any future bombings related to the Boston Marathon Bombing or otherwise? They already demonstrated their failure in stopping something on the scale of 9/11 despite having all these mechanisms in place.

    We are not reassured. If anything, we have even less faith in this system than before.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 1st, 2013 @ 9:48am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Making it clear -- but you LEFT OUT A LOT!

    https://duckduckgo.com

    There you go, blue. Search your head off.

    Despite the voices in your head saying otherwise, Google IS optional.

    /endoflesson...again

     

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    guardian, Aug 1st, 2013 @ 9:48am

    well isnt this grand

    The head liar ,lying

     

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    bioforge (profile), Aug 1st, 2013 @ 9:59am

    Never thought I would say this, but I'm embarrassed as an American. I mean really, we look worse then a bunch of monkeys fracking a football. I can't believe my fellow Americans let this stuff fly and go unchecked. Its bad enough to shut down a city, terrorize its people, and then not even find the guy. But now the President wants to claim this as a win for the greater good NSA? I am at a lack of words.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 1st, 2013 @ 10:03am

    Anyone recall this Jem from 09?

    "The System Worked"
    Janet Napolitano

    Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano brushed off the glaring mistakes that allowed a Nigerian bomber onto a U.S.-bound plane, stressing Sunday that everything worked "like clockwork" - after passengers foiled his plot.

     

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    John Fenderson (profile), Aug 1st, 2013 @ 10:05am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Making it clear -- but you LEFT OUT A LOT!

    You're just flatly wrong. And actually, you Techdirt fanboys are quite the minority in viewing Google as benign


    Google is totally optional. You're just flatly wrong if you're asserting otherwise.

    Also, I wonder why it is that you think Google is generally viewed as benign by commenters here? There's little indication of that. Even people here who have said that they use Google's services have mentioned that they're aware that they're making a trade-off in doing so.

     

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    LivingInNavarre (profile), Aug 1st, 2013 @ 10:06am

    Nope...not spying at all

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 1st, 2013 @ 10:12am

    My little dog...

    keeps the alligators out of the river.

     

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    CW, Aug 1st, 2013 @ 10:21am

    He's a SCOAMF and finally people are getting it...

     

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    silverscarcat (profile), Aug 1st, 2013 @ 10:23am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Making it clear -- but you LEFT OUT A LOT!

    I don't use Facebook.

    I don't use Google's Android OS

    but I have no choice in what the government does.

     

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    Rikuo (profile), Aug 1st, 2013 @ 10:25am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Making it clear -- but you LEFT OUT A LOT!

    Why is it you're so fucking concerned about Google spying on you, but you never seem to criticize the NSA and the US government, which is far worse?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 1st, 2013 @ 10:30am

    Have some more report votes ootb. You can't even get on topic, which is not about Google.

     

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    Rikuo (profile), Aug 1st, 2013 @ 10:31am

    Re:

    "These yoyos that voted against the Amish proposed bill"

    I think you meant the Amash bill. Amish refers to a group of people in the US who are hesitant towards adopting modern technology. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amish

     

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    Rikuo (profile), Aug 1st, 2013 @ 10:49am

    So let me understand what Obama has said and revealed. His intelligence community utterly failed in preventing the Boston Bombings, despite the fact all these spy programs were in place at the time.
    Yet somehow, we're to trust and believe him when he says that these very same programs, which have been demonstrated to have failed, somehow prevented further bombings related to the initial ones?

     

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    PRMan, Aug 1st, 2013 @ 10:54am

    Re: Making it clear

    "As soon as the police stopped their search a private citizen found the guy an hour later!"

    As soon as the police stopped their search a private citizen found the guy one minute later!

    When they heard the search was over, they went out of the house and found him immediately.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 1st, 2013 @ 10:56am

    Re: Re:

    So what you are saying is that the Amish don't worry about NSA spying.

     

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    Rikuo (profile), Aug 1st, 2013 @ 11:00am

    Re: Re: Re:

    It'd be pretty hard for them to be, since the NSA spy programs rely on modern technology, like phones and the internet, which the Amish don't have.

     

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    gorehound (profile), Aug 1st, 2013 @ 11:03am

    Lying Obama and lying Politicians...............you did not use your NSA BS to find out the Info.you used many many different Images and Videos given to you by Bystanders, ETC.
    You used a bunch of good ole Police Detective Stuff.

    You Politicians will say anything to keep your spying krap in place.Fear Mongering is your Tactic and so is Big Money.

     

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    silverscarcat (profile), Aug 1st, 2013 @ 11:18am

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    OMG!

    The Amish are the biggest suppliers of Terrorists in the world!

    The NSA can't track them!

     

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    Internet Zen Master (profile), Aug 1st, 2013 @ 11:20am

    Re:

    It's like that the NSA went into "Oh shit the terrorists are at the gates!" mode immediately after the Boston Bombings, so the chance that they actually di prevent any further bombings directly connected to the two brothers are (purely speculating) somewhere between 59 to 95 percent.

    Prior to the Boston Bombings it was more like:

    NSA employee 1: "hey, this guy looks suspicious, and the guys over in Russia are telling us that he might be a terrorist. Shouldn't we pass this along to the other agencies?"

    employee 2: "Nah, it's probably nothing. Let's go get drunk and sing karaoke instead!"


    But that's government competence for you. Only useful AFTER the crap hits the fan.

     

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    Tman, Aug 1st, 2013 @ 11:22am

    Re: Nope...not spying at all

    This is going to make ootb buy another couple tinfoil hats.

     

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    Immortallucifer, Aug 1st, 2013 @ 11:35am

    Aaaachoo!

    Apologies Mr President, I appear to be allergic to bullshit.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 1st, 2013 @ 11:46am

    Would somebody please just give him a BJ so we can impeach him....!!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 1st, 2013 @ 11:49am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Well, they already have beards of terror, so the making bad stuff happen can't be too far off.

     

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    John Fenderson (profile), Aug 1st, 2013 @ 12:18pm

    Re:

    I'm not opposed to impeaching Obama, but you should be fully aware that impeaching him will do literally nothing to correct the problem or stop similar problems from happening.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 1st, 2013 @ 12:24pm

    Re: Meanwhile

    With UK leaving EU, there is room for it. Of course the room depends on if Scotland and Wales can be kept from independence...

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 1st, 2013 @ 12:51pm

    Wait!!!
    What I am hearing is that the NSA has been collecting our data but couldn't foil the plot but then used the data to determine that it wasn't part of a bigger plot. Sure seems like they could have gotten the necessary court order to get the data legally when they needed it.

    The issue is having to prove they need the data, and focusing on what data they need before they get it....that's the way this system is supposed to work...not let me have everything so I can fish.

     

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    Earthakit2, Aug 1st, 2013 @ 1:43pm

    President Obama: NSA Surveillance Was Necessary To Make Sure Boston Bombings Weren't Part Of Bigger Plot

    Fact is, it WAS part of a bigger plot!

    Agenda 21 aka UN /New World Order!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Aug 1st, 2013 @ 2:02pm

    Re: Re: Re: Making it clear -- but you LEFT OUT A LOT!

    I believe it's called the 4th Amendment and it's public.

     

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    Almost Anonymous (profile), Aug 1st, 2013 @ 2:10pm

    Whatever

    Mike, the proof is right there in front of your eyes. How can you say that the NSA's surveillance is not working? Have we had another 9/11 since 9/11? No. Was there a terrorist attack in the US yesterday or the day before? No. Clearly the surveillance is working.

    Also, I have not been attacked by a tiger, not even ONCE, since I started carrying around this anti-tiger rock.

    This is not rocket surgery folks, just look at the proof!

     

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    T, Aug 1st, 2013 @ 2:20pm

    They are convinced we are dumb so they address us accordingly.

     

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    Justin, Aug 1st, 2013 @ 2:39pm

    NSA Surveillance Was Necessary

    The criminal ruling class are lying little children. "Believe me. Some bad guys broke in and ate the candy. Love me or I'll throw a tantrum" (via the fakestream media).

     

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    T, Aug 1st, 2013 @ 2:56pm

    "Have we had another 9/11 since 9/11?" Oh yee of little cluefulness. 12 years on and you still think it just happened. It's because of people like you that they can pull 9/11 off and almost get away with it but the truth is out there if you look.

     

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    Anonymous, Aug 1st, 2013 @ 2:59pm

    I believe 9/11 and the Boston bombing were false-flag, inside jobs.

     

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    Lurker Keith, Aug 1st, 2013 @ 3:00pm

    Re:

    That was reported on here:

    http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130508/17354123014/fbi-didnt-even-inform-fusion-center-a bout-tamerlan-tsarnaev.shtml

    [blockquote][I]A spokeswoman for the Boston Police Department said the Boston Regional Intelligence Center [] was never notified about the FBI investigation.

    In response, FBI supervisory Agent Jason Pack e-mailed a statement suggesting that state and local officials had ample access to information about the Tsarnaev investigation in 2011, through their participation in an FBI unit in Boston, the Joint Terrorism Task Force.[/I][/blockquote]

    The FBI even interviewed one of the Boston terrorists, probably in 2011.

    It's insane to claim the domestic spying is of any use, when knowing about a terrorist before hand wasn't enough to prevent his attack.

     

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    apauld (profile), Aug 1st, 2013 @ 4:49pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Making it clear -- but you LEFT OUT A LOT!

    "Despite the voices in your head saying otherwise, Google IS optional."
    I just got lemonade in my sinuses from reading that....

     

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    Soapy Smith (profile), Aug 1st, 2013 @ 4:53pm

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    Will the President just commit perjury so we can impeach him?

    Fixed it for you.

     

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    Wally (profile), Aug 1st, 2013 @ 5:01pm

    Re:

    9/11 was the NSA's fault as it could have been prevented. They refused to give the FBI the domestic calls from the US that were connecting straight to Osama Bin Laden.

    The Boston Bombing was the fault of the administration not heeding the warnings by the Chechnya and Russian governments.

     

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    T, Aug 1st, 2013 @ 6:48pm

    Re: Re:

    "9/11 was the NSA's fault..." 9/11 was the "New Pearl Harbor" quoted from the Project For A New American Century. Read it. They needed the attack to get support from the flock which you graze with to justify invading other countries which never attacked in the first place and to spread America's and its allies military all over the world. They got just that. Coincidence. No, actually, it wasn't. I wouldn't normally get personal with another porter but it's 12 years on and you are still spreading BS about why the attack happened. It is your cognitive dissonance which forces the rest of us to have to continue fighting for the truth to come out and I'm tired of it. Do the research yourself and stop allowing others to hand your opinion to you. If you did look, you would see that the 9/11 story has 100 and more things wrong with it. It is so obvious and sloppy. It would take weeks to educate you on it so you'll have to take the initiative. Now you have drones flying over your head and your gov spying on you at the very least. It can only get worse if light is not shone on that fable. It is an open trauma for everyone. There hasn't been closure. Start with building 7. Look it up and see with your own eyes what happened. It will lead you to more which will help you realize how we got here and why. Peace.

     

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    blue, Aug 1st, 2013 @ 7:39pm

    nsa

    it is amazing to me that the nazi nobama can say its necessary to spy on american people ...we are a free country ....not what asshole wants ...i think obama should be arrested and charged with crimes against america , perjury, and be held accountable for his actions ....you can tell what an idiot he is....he has more scandals then any other president.......no one lies like him ...and by the way his wife is a racist rag....

     

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    The Real Michael, Aug 2nd, 2013 @ 4:16am

    Re: Making it clear

    Because *cue drone flying overhead*
    They *militarized police swarming a suburban home*
    Care *armored vehicles rolling down the street*
    So *Blackhawk helicopters looking for someone*
    Much *TSA patting down old woman*
    About *NSA snooping on "private" conversation*
    Your *DMCA takedowns and draconian copyright expansion*
    Security *DHS stockpiles 2 billion rounds of ammo and no-hesitation targets*

     

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    Anonymous, Aug 2nd, 2013 @ 5:23am

    Re:

    Does Barney Frank like dark meat?

     

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    Marcel de Jong (profile), Aug 2nd, 2013 @ 7:31am

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    "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"

    Impeaching this sockpuppet will not change anything. US Congress is in the pocket of commercial interests, and will need a serious amount of overhaul before it becomes healthy again. And I don't think this will be possible without a certain amount of bloodshed.

     

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    nasch (profile), Aug 2nd, 2013 @ 10:55am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Making it clear -- but you LEFT OUT A LOT!

    I believe it's called the 4th Amendment and it's public.

    OK, the US govt doesn't have a privacy policy that it follows.

     

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    nasch (profile), Aug 2nd, 2013 @ 11:32am

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    It'd be pretty hard for them to be, since the NSA spy programs rely on modern technology, like phones and the internet, which the Amish don't have.

    The question is, are they even aware of the NSA spying programs? Do they get newspapers?

     

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    Heidi, Aug 6th, 2013 @ 4:38am

    Re: Making it clear

    It's ironic how people gripe about all the events NSA intelligence hasn't prevented - when we only hear about a fraction of the threats they have prevented. Many threats are neutralized based on this intelligence gathering.

    Personally, I don't understand what people are hiding. I don't care if the government sees what I do, because I'm not doing anything suspicious. What are you hiding?

     

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    nasch (profile), Aug 6th, 2013 @ 8:02am

    Re: Re: Making it clear

    What are you hiding?

    Is this for real, or trolling?

     

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    Gwiz (profile), Aug 6th, 2013 @ 11:31am

    Re: Re: Making it clear

    Many threats are neutralized based on this intelligence gathering.

    Really? Put forth some concrete evidence of this please, cuz' I ain't seen any.


    Personally, I don't understand what people are hiding. I don't care if the government sees what I do, because I'm not doing anything suspicious.

    Oh really? So you would have absolutely no problem inviting all of us over to look at your browser history? Or checking out your entire search history? Or reading your medical history? Or your online shopping history? Or your bank balances? Or keeping tabs on all your phone calls and exact locations where you made them?

    And when we get done we can compile all that info into a complete picture of everything you've ever done online and fairly comprehensive picture of everything you've done offline too.

    It doesn't matter if you are doing anything "suspicious". It matters when you are doing things online that you consider private and personal.


    What are you hiding?

    I personally don't consider it "hiding". It's about protecting my rights to privacy and anonymity.

     

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