Obama Promise To 'Protect Whistleblowers' Just Disappeared From Change.gov

from the not-the-change-we-were-looking-for dept

The folks from the Sunlight Foundation have noticed that the Change.gov website, which was set up by the Obama transition team after the election in 2008 has suddenly been scrubbed of all of its original content. They noted that the front page had pointed to the White House website for a while, but you could still access a variety of old material and agendas. They were wondering why the administration would suddenly pull all that interesting archival information... and hit upon a clue. A little bit from the "ethics agenda":
Protect Whistleblowers: Often the best source of information about waste, fraud, and abuse in government is an existing government employee committed to public integrity and willing to speak out. Such acts of courage and patriotism, which can sometimes save lives and often save taxpayer dollars, should be encouraged rather than stifled. We need to empower federal employees as watchdogs of wrongdoing and partners in performance. Barack Obama will strengthen whistleblower laws to protect federal workers who expose waste, fraud, and abuse of authority in government. Obama will ensure that federal agencies expedite the process for reviewing whistleblower claims and whistleblowers have full access to courts and due process.
Yeah. That statement seems a bit embarrassing at the very same time Obama's administration is threatening trade sanctions against anyone who grants asylum to Ed Snowden. Also... at the same time that we get to see how whistleblower Bradley Manning's "full access to courts and due process" will turn out. So far, it's been anything but reasonable, considering that the UN has already condemned Manning's treatment as "cruel and inhuman." And people wonder why Snowden left the country...


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    That One Guy (profile), Jul 26th, 2013 @ 10:18am

    Obama administration, meet the Streisand Effect.

    Streisand Effect, meet the Obama administration.

    Have fun you two...

     

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    Ninja (profile), Jul 26th, 2013 @ 10:20am

    Pretty speech, disgraceful actions. Obama is the epitome of what politics are nowadays.

     

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    Wally (profile), Jul 26th, 2013 @ 10:29am

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    He even beats the corruption that Richard Nixon held. This is way above and beyond reasoning and what any other US president has ever done to screw the nation over...even Herbert Hoover (responsible for the Stock Market Crash of 1929) is smiling that he's been relieved of the notoriety of screwing this nation royal.

     

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    Anon E. Mous (profile), Jul 26th, 2013 @ 10:55am

    LOL...The Obama administration has prosecuted more whistle blowers than any of the past administrations in history.

    If that doesn't speak volumes about how serious the Obama white house is about silence being golden, I don't know what does.

     

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    Zakida Paul (profile), Jul 26th, 2013 @ 10:55am

    Obama promises to protect whistle blowers but reneges on that promise.

    Cameron promises to scale back on the nanny state but wants porn blocked from the Internet.

    Heads of government on both sides of the Atlantic don't know how to keep a promise.

     

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    Ninja (profile), Jul 26th, 2013 @ 10:56am

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    I think all of those were good examples of rotten politics at their time. We have our share in Brazil too. Lula is our Obama without the espionage and a whole lot of more corruption as financial benefits for him, his family and political allies.

     

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    PW (profile), Jul 26th, 2013 @ 10:57am

    Magic

    It didn't disappear, it's just *transparent*. You just need the Confidential Secret Decoder Pen light source to see what it says ;)

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 10:58am

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 10:59am

    Down the memory hole.

    We have always been at war with Eastasia.

     

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    Ninja (profile), Jul 26th, 2013 @ 11:02am

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    No politician will keep any promise unless they are fiercely scrutinized and monitored. With very few exceptions.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 11:06am

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    It also speaks volumes about whistles needing to be blown at the current time.

     

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    McCrea (profile), Jul 26th, 2013 @ 11:12am

    made me lol

    This is the funniest thing I've read this week. Thanks.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 11:20am

    Man. I feel like I've been hoped and changed right in the ass.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 11:38am

    The US is quickly becoming a lost cause. Nothing but dictatorship that is driven by corporate greed and fears of a failing superpower. Sadly this soon to be third world dictatorship will have nuclear weapons.

     

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    Bergman (profile), Jul 26th, 2013 @ 11:44am

    Funny how fast the whistleblowers that need to be protected when you're not in office become the enemies of the state after you are elected...

    There's two ways to have a completely untarnished reputation:

    Either make everyone so scared to talk they won't say a single bad word about you...

    Or do the right thing.

    It always amazes me how many people can't figure that one out.

     

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    Simon, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 11:50am

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    Oh they can work it out well enough. It just seems that holding office screws with your moral compass.

     

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    akp (profile), Jul 26th, 2013 @ 11:58am

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    It's going to get deleted. US news belongs in /r/news, and the mods of /r/worldnews will probably make you move it.

     

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    jupiterkansas (profile), Jul 26th, 2013 @ 12:00pm

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    Or they find doing the right thing is next to impossible. It's easier to use scare tactics and threats when you have that power.

     

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    Chris ODonnell (profile), Jul 26th, 2013 @ 12:02pm

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    They know how to keep a promise. However, the American public didn't sped enough to get its promise onto the "keep" list. Wall Street, on the other hand...

     

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    Chris-Mouse (profile), Jul 26th, 2013 @ 12:06pm

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    Politicians know exactly how to keep a promise...

    ...and they are faithfully keeping every promise they've made to those who have bankrolled their elections campaign.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 12:09pm

    Re: Magic

    and a secret court ruling to tell you what it actually means.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 12:13pm

    Next Obama speech concerning the Manning and Snowden cases...

    Obama will wave his hand and then simply say "These are not the whistleblowers you are looking for."

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 12:14pm

    the statement had to be removed so no one would remember what Obama said on the run up to election. as it has been removed now, no one will remember him as being no different a liar to the one before him! as for Snowden, i just read where the USA has promised Russia that he wont be put to death for blowing the whistle on the NSA and other security forces and their spying on everyone everywhere!! he would be kept in solitary confinement, treated in as inhuman a way as possible for life plus 70 years, just like copyright protection, then reviewed when his time was almost up, to get another 30 years tagged on! sound ridiculous? so it should but i wouldn't mind betting they would try to do that!!

     

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    Wally (profile), Jul 26th, 2013 @ 12:41pm

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    I don't think that wise since this issue with the NSA is on a global scale.

     

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    WG (profile), Jul 26th, 2013 @ 12:44pm

    The veil has been lifted

    Now we see just how corrupt and evil this administration is. Seriously, the people need to recall every ass-licking politician they voted for. We need to clean house of the cockroaches. I noted that when Obama was running for his first term, there was something evil about him; something didn't feel right. I've never felt that way about ANY previous politician, black or otherwise; and that feeling just got worse.

     

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    John Fenderson (profile), Jul 26th, 2013 @ 1:06pm

    Re:

    Not a dictatorship (we don't have anything even slightly resembling a dictator).

    I would say it's more a corporatocracy or at the very least an oligarchy. Whatever label applies, though, it's certainly tyranny.

     

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    John Fenderson (profile), Jul 26th, 2013 @ 1:09pm

    Re: The veil has been lifted

    I've never felt that way about ANY previous politician, black or otherwise; and that feeling just got worse.


    Then you should get your spidey-sense adjusted, as it should have also been triggered by Bush, Clinton, and Bush Sr. (I could keep going, but I don't know how old you are.)

    BTW, why did you bring up race? That seems an awfully random thing to slip in.

     

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    Anonymous?, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 1:10pm

    Make it into a petition

    Someone should quote this and use it as a petition on change.gov
    I want to see them craft a response to that.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 1:16pm

    That's why it's called change.com. If they don't like it, they just change it.

     

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    Tim Edwards, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 1:16pm

    Info still on whitehouse.gov

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/image/ppd-19.pdf

    Quick search for whistle blowers on whitehouse.gov found this PDF.

    Not that anything our gov puts out in public means anything anyway, it's all just to keep the majority of the population happy enough that they dont notice the downward spiral they are caught up in.

     

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    TaCktiX (profile), Jul 26th, 2013 @ 1:25pm

    Re: Re: The veil has been lifted

    Because the most likely fire-back would be "it's because he's black, isn't it?" Seen it happen too many times elsewhere.

     

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    Obama, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 1:31pm

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    If Obama reneged on his promise, I guess that makes him a reneger.

    C'mon someone had to make the joke.

     

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    ERNERNIMISS CERWERD, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 1:36pm

    The duckspeak is strong with this one

    In other news, the department of truth recently discovered widespread typographical errors declaring war on our allies in Eurasia, and an alliance with our enemies in East-Asia. The errors have subsequently been fixed.

     

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    Mekongcola, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 1:46pm

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    Wally,

    Lets not forget the power were given to the NSA under Bush, not Obama.

     

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    Wally (profile), Jul 26th, 2013 @ 1:59pm

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    FISA 2010 anyone??? That's where Metadata collection started on all US citizens, not just foreigners or US citizens calling home from foreign soil as it was by the beginning of Obama's presidency in 2008.

     

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    earl mcbakersfield, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 2:04pm

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    Yes. I've seen people on Facebook speculating that Obama will try to stay in more than 2 terms. They fail to understand that this is unnecessary for this power system to remain functioning. In fact it would do the opposite, it would throw back the curtains on the facade of the democratic republic. It's much harder to understand the tyranny you are under when you have the belief that you can elect it out.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 2:09pm

    Re: The veil has been lifted

    I on the other hand, think he actually believed what he said in his first campaign except something along the way actually turned him. I'm curious what exactly it was and at what point it actually occurred. Personally, I think it was likely those behind the corruption machine convinced him that he had better listen to them or else they would destroy him. At least that's my theory.

     

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    Bob, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 2:10pm

    Re:

    It's not actually gone http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/image/ppd-19.pdf the PDF outlining the protection of whistleblowers is still there, if you search "whistleblowers" on the whitehouse.gov site it's the first result. Don't get me wrong I'm not standing up for them just saying don't jump to conclusions of conspiracy without at least doing some digging.

     

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    eric obama agyapong, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 2:13pm

    phonetic business

    For the next hour tech dirt it is ready up next to speak every day in stylish.So what is life tech.

     

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    phlypp (profile), Jul 26th, 2013 @ 2:15pm

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    Uh, Wally. The laws and systems that Edward Snowden exposed were initiated by the previous Administration and Republican Congressmen have universally denounced Snowden as a traitor and spy. In other words, this article doesn't demonstrate any Obama corruption but does show your hatred for the President simply because you hate the President. Is it the NSA spying that has you riled up or the fact that Snowden is a whistle blower that's being treated as a traitor?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 2:15pm

    Check out Obama Deception on Youtube.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 2:17pm

    Re: Re:

    It's a little unfair and an oversimplification to say Hoover was "responsible" for the 1929 Stock Market Crash. Sure his policies and decisions were major contributing factors but there was A LOT going on that caused that to happen, much of which began long before he took office.

     

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    phlypp (profile), Jul 26th, 2013 @ 2:19pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    President Obama's term started in January, 2009, the year after FISA 2008 was instituted which authorized the NSA to violate the constitution .

     

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    luke, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 2:24pm

    Very misleading article. The Change.gov site was wiped out and set up as a whitehouse.gov redirect after the last election.

     

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    phlypp (profile), Jul 26th, 2013 @ 2:27pm

    Hmmm, maybe that's not the best idea...

    Looks like President Obama has learned why no other President in history tried to bring transparency to their Administration. Compare that to Nixon who turned paranoia and secrecy into a new art form during his reign.

     

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    Zack, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 2:42pm

    Change.gov website content deletion

    Obama has not only retained the Patriot Act, but strengthened it. He railed against it during his election campaign. Can't close down Gitmo. Now, with the Ed Snowden situation, Obama obviously is implicitly acknowledging that Snowden may be a proper whistleblower, but now he wants to try the fellow for treason.

     

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    GloriousBaconMan, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 2:51pm

    lol

    They think they can make something disappear from the internet? That's cute.

     

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    American Natural-Born Citizen, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 2:59pm

    Rand Paul 2016 - Uphold the United States Constitution

    Rand Paul: Conservative Libertarian Constitutionalist

    Libertarianism is a set of related political philosophies that uphold liberty as the highest political end. This includes emphasis on the primacy of individual liberty, political freedom, and voluntary association. It is the antonym to authoritarianism.

    One of the most salient features of constitutionalism is that it describes and prescribes both the source and the limits of government power. William H. Hamilton has captured this dual aspect by noting that constitutionalism "is the name given to the trust which men repose in the power of words engrossed on parchment to keep a government in order."

    http://www.randpac.com
    http://www.paul.senate.gov

     

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    secrecy, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 3:26pm

    agh

    america is becoming scary, a nazi kind of scary.

     

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    Wally (profile), Jul 26th, 2013 @ 3:39pm

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    "In other words, this article doesn't demonstrate any Obama corruption but does show your hatred for the President simply because you hate the President. Is it the NSA spying that has you riled up or the fact that Snowden is a whistle blower that's being treated as a traitor?"

    No to your inquiring sentence and yes to your question.

    I hate Obama because he did nothing to lobby to put a stop on the 2008 FISA Amendments. He vowed to do that in his 2008 Campaign yet here we are today. The 2008 amendment only gave the NSA the extended power to collect the metadata of US Citizens who called into the US from foreign soil...the 2010 Amendment added all incoming and outgoing calls and pretty much everyone.

    Now no matter who you think started it. This current administration EXTENDED THE POWERS OF THE NSA when Obama said he would put an end to it during both his 2008 and 2012 campaigns.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 3:42pm

    Re:

    Cameron's plan for blocking goes much further than just porn.

    http://torrentfreak.com/uk-porn-filter-will-censor-other-content-too-isps-reveal-130726/

     

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    Wally (profile), Jul 26th, 2013 @ 3:48pm

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    While that's true..the 2008 Amendment only extended it to spying on US citizens calling from foreign soil. FISA 2010 is the one that caused the total spying.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 4:02pm

    lol

    Oh I don't know. I'd say lying to the American public in order to take us to war is going to be #1 for a pretty long time.

     

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    John Fenderson (profile), Jul 26th, 2013 @ 4:09pm

    Re: Re: Re: The veil has been lifted

    That's a terrible tactic, then. Including that comment signals pretty loudly that it is, in fact, because he's black. Much like how bigots often preface bigoted sentiments with "I'm not a bigot, but..."

    (Just to be clear, I'm not saying that WG is racist, just that the language raises a red flag.)

     

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    Wally (profile), Jul 26th, 2013 @ 4:15pm

    Re: lol

    Ask Jimmy Carter about the Foreign Intelligence act of 1979, then we'll get to Bush Jr and Iraq.

     

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    ForAmerica, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 4:23pm

    This makes sense. It was only there for whistle blowers who would help Obama. It's not for the anyone who would blow the whistle on fearless leader.

     

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    Joe R. (profile), Jul 26th, 2013 @ 4:56pm

    Promises

    Just add this to the rest of Obama's broken promises: Transparency; Ethical administration; Cheaper health insurance: Keep your own doctor; Keep your own insurance; Investigate IRS; Investigate Benghazi; Investigate Fast & Furious; No college transcripts; No student loan info; No passport info.... Come on.... You're surprised??

     

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    Larry, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 5:11pm

    Re: Re: Whisle blowing

    One has to have moral values before they go into office. But most have no worry about losing that value, since they don't have it from the get go.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 5:13pm

    Filtering internet

    I'm sure if it was in the US, terms like "Snowden" would be on the block list.

     

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    Larry, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 5:16pm

    Race

    He probably brought up race because the first thing people say when you don't like Obam, you are a racist.

     

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    Andrew, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 5:41pm

    Well, calling Manning a whistleblower is quite a stretch. It wasn't like he found some specific wrong and put it out there, he just released everything -- good, bad, neutral. And a lot of things that probably shouldn't be leaked.

     

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    Titan, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 5:45pm

    Re: Re: The veil has been lifted

    What a bullshit, sensationalist title. The Change website has been defunct for years, it was a goddamn ELECTION site! After the election was done, it was taken down in its entirety, not just scrubbed of the whistleblower section. This site is a fucking joke.

     

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    Ana Campos, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 5:56pm

    This article is incorrect.

    I suggest the writer of this article cite his sources or correct his mistake. Change.org was not set up by the Obama transition team. That's the most ridiculous accusation so far and that's defamation.

    I was there when Change.org launched, involved in the top 10 ideas for change in america campaign and personally spoke with the founders. This article is wrong.

     

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    Wally (profile), Jul 26th, 2013 @ 6:14pm

    Re: This article is incorrect.

    The website is still Barak Obama's political mouthpiece. Step off the defamation accusation you politico mouth-piece of crap because it was not a statement meant to willfully harm the website.

    Furthermore...the article is quite accurate about the owners of that website completely going by and believing in Obama's statement and thus changing the website content itself to hide Obama's earlier protests and agenda to end unwarranted spying. You think that this nation is that stupid?

     

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    Wally (profile), Jul 26th, 2013 @ 6:16pm

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    Way back machine :-3

     

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    LivingInNavarre (profile), Jul 26th, 2013 @ 6:20pm

    Techdirt meet Drudge. Pretty cool.

     

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    larry, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 6:34pm

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    phlypp-true bush started it and obama could have ended it, but he chose to reinforce it

     

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    Shadowfade, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 6:37pm

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    You gotta have morals to have a compass ;) what Obummer is failing to realize, and history is the written witness, only so far you can push Americans before they rectify the situation forcefully. Just sayin

     

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    ane, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 6:55pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    ...seems to me that Obama could have shut the whole thing down, it he wanted to....so, yeah, I blame him.

     

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    WG (profile), Jul 26th, 2013 @ 6:57pm

    Re: Re: The veil has been lifted

    There wasn't anything racial about it, it was simply recognition that he IS black, and that no other black politician had ever made me feel that way. His color had absolutely nothing to do with that feeling, but it would be disingenuous of me to ignore it. Evil is evil, and no amount of pigmentation can cover it.

     

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    WG (profile), Jul 26th, 2013 @ 7:25pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: The veil has been lifted

    Listen, everyone, I AM NOT A RACIST - OF ANY COLOR! However, I am a white, 60-year-old man, who grew up in a heavily-populated black community, and my best and first friend was black. I truly hate racism for racism's sake - but I have no problem calling someone an asshole when I encounter it, regardless of what color they are. I have many black (and Mexican) friends who know me and would tell you to go shove a cactus up your ass for suggesting that. I have individuals who are members of my family that just so happen to be black; many of my closest friends are black, red, and brown.

    I've seen many, many politicians come and go, of all colors, that have never made me feel this way. There is something wrong here with Obama and his cronies that goes way beyond your instantaneous racial shrill. Get over yourselves.

     

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    TheFaceBrick, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 7:33pm

    Reminds me of Animal Farm. The Commandments mysteriously change to fit the evolution of the agenda.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 7:53pm

    I didn't know Obama was a magician!

    OBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

     

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    BarKahn, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 7:54pm

    Obama

    It's a shame that Obama can't be removed just for not being eligible and for not having legal proof of U.S. citizenship; it's a real shame, isn't it

     

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    Mann D. Lifeboats, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 7:54pm

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    "Dictatorship that is driven by corporate greed"?

    Oh, please. Please find some creativity and replace that tiresome flat remark.

    While Obama's tyranny is being funded by Democrat-liberal-leftist collaborators in corporate America, it required the votes from the intellectually and morally vacant, cowardly and divisive millions -- including the meanstream media -- to help install him.

    Were the Fourth estate to have any integrity and character, Obama would never have been elected.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 7:55pm

    Can he make disappear the trilions dollars debt?

     

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    Roger, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 8:05pm

    That was before the NSA told Obama about all the blackmail info they have on him. Now he does as he is told, just like Bush did.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 8:05pm

    Re: Re: The veil has been lifted

    Oh, I don't know. I'm sure I'm as old as you are, and I agree that this president is the first one to so obviously be a fraud. I mean, come on. Sealing your records upon being elected?

     

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    Adamcain (profile), Jul 26th, 2013 @ 8:16pm

    "We protect Whistleblowers" said Putin.

    We do not torture...Waterboarding is really a sport they enjoy at Gitmo.

    K.G.B. Former Boss - 1 vs.
    Community Organizer - 0.

    Translation: "You remember when you said that you would have more leeway after your re-election, Comrade Barack ..... " Reset - Reset....where is the Reset button when you need it.....L.O.L!

     

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    Justin, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 8:19pm

    Re: Re:

    Herbert Hoover responsible for the stock market crash? I don't think so. He may have been in office when it happened, but please don't try to tell me it was his fault. Take some Econ classes, get some information, then you can come back and talk about market booms and busts.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 8:26pm

    Re: Re:

    Bs

     

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    LuluBelle (profile), Jul 26th, 2013 @ 8:34pm

    Oh you mean THIS page?

    http://www.boomfox.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=6233

    Yep, nothings ever really gone from the internet, silly government. :-)

     

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    MadamDeb, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 8:42pm

    Change.Gov

    The Change.Gov site has not existed for years. It was the initial transition site. Try checking for it. I just did and it sent me to WhiteHouse.Gov. Why do people make things like this up?

     

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    Sam Awry, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 8:49pm

    0bama corruption

    "Lula is our Obama without the espionage and a whole lot of more corruption as financial benefits for him, his family and political allies."

    How is 0bama spending hundreds of millions of dollars on family vacations less corrupt than Lula?

     

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    Jason (Nsa already knows me) Lassila (profile), Jul 26th, 2013 @ 9:05pm

    Well what are the informed masses going to do about it?

    Simply stated, technology has awakened a lot of the unaware intelligent and uninformed trusting people from their slumber.
    New information has definitely changed views and roused human spirit. What do we do now?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 9:56pm

    Re: Re:

    Applauses

     

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    Никто, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 10:18pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    It's so pathetic watching Obama drones make excuses for him FIVE YEARS after he took office.

    Especially when he got elected specifically on the premiss he would clean up Bush's mess, not make it worse.

     

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    Никто, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 10:19pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    Same reply to you, too:

    It's so pathetic watching Obama drones make excuses for him FIVE YEARS after he took office.

    Especially when he got elected specifically on the premiss he would clean up Bush's mess, not make it worse.

     

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    Никто, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 10:21pm

    Re: Re:

    "Integrity" and "character" are filthy "four letter words" in the eyes of anyone stupid enough to fall for Obama's bullshit.

    The first time around, I gave a little leeway for naivete, but '12? HAHAHA. No.

     

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    Angry Voter, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 10:21pm

    Neo-Hooverism

    So was Obama an agent for the shadow government before he was elected or did they just blackmail him into it after he was elected?

    It's hard to tell with the neo-Hoover NSA blackmail machine in place.

    For those who missed it - people were institutionalized, forcibly medicated and even lobotomized for claiming Hoover was using the FBI to blackmail people. Decades later it turned out to be true. We had a filthy fascist running our national police.

    How about the UK? The head of their spy agency (Kim Philby) turned out to be an agent of the USSR and the people he 'caught' were people who might expose him.

     

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    Никто, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 10:24pm

    Re: Re: Re: The veil has been lifted

    Anyone care to bet this shithead works for Obama?

     

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    Никто, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 10:26pm

    Re: Re: The veil has been lifted

    So he's a liar AND a coward.

    If he faced death, so be it. If his family faced death, so be it.

    They chose to reach for the highest of the high places; they should have been willing to risk the fall.

     

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    Raven Singularity, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 10:37pm

    Re: The veil has been lifted

    Now, now, there's really no need for such harsh words toward cockroaches.

     

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    Empire Slayer, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 10:59pm

    Obama Trying to Prevent Likely Whistle Blowers

    We also have to remember, and it should have been mentioned in this article, that Obama is literally trying to institute new procedures that would make it less likely that a potential whistle blower could be hired by the government, and more ways for government employees to rat out coworkers they think might be whistle blowers!

    Obama is doing the exact opposite of what he promised, and it is so laughably, embarrassingly blatant that he had to slink in with his head down and remove the promise from his website. That's so funny it would be awesome if not so sad for the country.

     

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    Mike Masnick (profile), Jul 26th, 2013 @ 11:32pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    While that's true..the 2008 Amendment only extended it to spying on US citizens calling from foreign soil. FISA 2010 is the one that caused the total spying.

    Wally, I keep telling you to stop making strong claims when you're wrong. The bulk data collection that people are talking about was initiated in 2007. Yes, on Americans. In 2007. As admitted by Dianne Feinstein, a major supporter of the program. http://thehill.com/homenews/news/303891-senators-nsa-phone-sweeping-has-been-going-on-since-2007

     

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    Mike Masnick (profile), Jul 26th, 2013 @ 11:35pm

    Re:

    Very misleading article. The Change.gov site was wiped out and set up as a whitehouse.gov redirect after the last election.

    Um. Did you read the post? We explained that the front page was set as a whitehouse.gove redirect *in the very first paragraph*. But the underlying content *had* remained. Until now.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 11:35pm

    These is normal in politics... they talk onething while campainging and do exact oposite after being elected

     

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    KUMA-NIN, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 11:35pm

    Not true, says the WhiteHouse.gov site!

    If those who chose to attack the President with claims they cannot back up did their homework, they would find the following fact: Change.gov gives you the link to WhiteHouse.gov.

    Now you type in "whistle blower" in that site's search, you get the following links: http://search.whitehouse.gov/search?affiliate=wh&query=whistle+blower&submit.x=-330&subm it.y=-484&submit=Search&form_id=usasearch_box

    The first three are tied to this, and note that the law is still in effect. However, Snowden is a different case. The law is to protect those who are willing to cooperate with the Government. Snowden decided to expose information and flee, which makes him a very dangerous subject -- He could choose to cooperate with any enemies or give the info away if captured. Either way, he exposes every American to something that even they cannot protect themselves from... As in cyber terrorism that could lead to actual terrorism.

    Think about that.

     

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    Mike Masnick (profile), Jul 26th, 2013 @ 11:37pm

    Re:

    Well, calling Manning a whistleblower is quite a stretch. It wasn't like he found some specific wrong and put it out there, he just released everything -- good, bad, neutral. And a lot of things that probably shouldn't be leaked.

    Also not true. He sent it to Wikileaks, who worked with a variety of news organizations (including The Guardian, the NY Times, Der Spiegel and others) to comb through and release only key documents with redactions.

    So, no.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 11:38pm

    These kinda shit happens everywere

     

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    Mike Masnick (profile), Jul 26th, 2013 @ 11:40pm

    Re: This article is incorrect.

    This article is incorrect.


    How?

    I suggest the writer of this article cite his sources or correct his mistake.

    Did you even read the article? The source is cited and linked to IN THE VERY FIRST SENTENCE.

    Change.org was not set up by the Obama transition team.

    Well there's your problem. This story is not about change.org, but change.gov.

    That's the most ridiculous accusation so far and that's defamation.

    Oh really now? Do tell me your theory on defamation law...

    I was there when Change.org launched, involved in the top 10 ideas for change in america campaign and personally spoke with the founders. This article is wrong.

    According to your (wrong) theory of "defamation" making an incorrect statement is defamation. You've made a series of incorrect statements in your comment, including claiming that this is about change.org, instead of change.gov, and that I didn't cite my sources. Curious: are you guilty of defamation?

     

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    Mike Masnick (profile), Jul 26th, 2013 @ 11:44pm

    Re: Change.Gov

    The Change.Gov site has not existed for years. It was the initial transition site. Try checking for it. I just did and it sent me to WhiteHouse.Gov. Why do people make things like this up?

    Couldn't even read the very first paragraph of the actual post, could you? I mean, really, it's only explained in the second sentence... Yes, the FRONT PAGE redirects, but all the other content had remained. Until just recently.

     

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    negro son, Jul 26th, 2013 @ 11:46pm

    Re: Re:

    Yep, yur right son.

     

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    Will Eskridge, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 12:26am

    Response to: Anon E. Mous on Jul 26th, 2013 @ 10:55am

    Haha. So true

     

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    Rikuo (profile), Jul 27th, 2013 @ 1:16am

    Re: Not true, says the WhiteHouse.gov site!

    "He could choose to cooperate with any enemies or give the info away if captured."

    Really? So why is it that to this day, he remains in that Russian airport, and neither Russia or China wanted anything to do with him.
    Forget Snowden. He's not important. What he revealed is, the massive over-reach of the NSA spying programs. That is terrorism plain and simple.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 1:33am

    Response to: Roger on Jul 26th, 2013 @ 8:05pm

    Blackmail is racist. Lol just kidding

     

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    Chuck Culhane, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 2:06am

    Whitey House Whiparound on Whistkleblowers

    Ethic cleansing!

     

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    broken away from the herd, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 2:08am

    Re: Americas terrorist state

    America not a dictatorship? How about the biggest terrorist state in the world, killing millions and making up stories to excuse it.. Not even going to go into Palestine

     

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    Paula Ivie, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 2:53am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    His term started January 2008.

     

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    tarik, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 3:51am

    Buissnesc

    Bangladesh meherpur

     

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    William, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 3:51am

    LIes, Lies, Lies

    He and the Fed have done nothing but lie and cover up. o did you really expect any differ? Who to be mad at, You stupid people that believe him, or him, the lying usurper?

     

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    umnonotso, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 4:19am

    Re:

    Simply saying "do the right thing" is, aside from being an over simplification (and also dependent on individual perception), in no way armor against a tarnished reputation.

    Plenty of people "do the right thing" and are still admonished or castigated for their efforts.

    The sad truth is that no matter what a person does these days, there will be a group of people who come forward to accuse them of some kind of impropriety.

     

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    Tom, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 4:19am

    White House Website

    You want a good laugh. Look at the history of the presidents and see how that was all edited to include Obama in each one of their Bio's

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 5:20am

    Re: Re: Re:

    Who gives a shit? If two men rape a woman, is the second one less guilty than the first?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 5:21am

    Re: Re: Re:

    Based upon the comments below,
    it should go in r/circlejerk

     

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    Eileen, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 5:32am

    Hypocrisy

    Forget about the Manning trial and the Snowden asylum saga for a second. What about the recent directive from the WH mandating that all federal employees spy on one another and report suspicious behavior on their coworkers? Somehow, I don't thing this would make it onto change.gov.

     

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    Stan, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 5:36am

    Protected

    He has been protecting them by putting them in special lock up without due process.

     

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    MatBastardson (profile), Jul 27th, 2013 @ 5:40am

    Re: Re: Re:

    When you are caught throwing gasoline on the flames, it is no defense to say, "Hey man, I didn't start the fire."

     

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    Blame it on Bush just don't cut it anymore, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 6:14am

    You voted for Clinton and Obama twice now pwn it

    Rich the occupy anarchist and hippie rad lib crowd bitched about Reagan, and 2 Bushs spying, wars, and police state but said nothing when Clinton continued bombing Iraq, Serbia/Bosnia, ran Operation Urban Warrior Martial Law drills, and passed POS leg like DMCA. But You voted for him twice.

    Obama doubled down on the Bankster Wall St Bailout, diverted Big Oil no bid contracts to Big Green/Cronies of his own no bid contracts, Continued 2 Bush wars, and started others in the Middle east, Passed a Gaggle of Secret Arrest, Indefinite Detention, Torture and even Assassination of Americans laws and Exec Orders. But you voted for him twice and even thrice.

    Time for the designer doped geeks in Silicon Valley to get a taste of their own medicine. You are all spied on, tracked, followed, and recorded, not by evil right wingers, but your own lefto-facist Demorat Party. Remember that when you put the noose over your neck and pull the lever for all the "D"s on the ballot next year and in '16.

     

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    madludwig, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 6:38am

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    By now I thought everyone knew "its all bush's fault".

     

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    anton, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 6:48am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The veil has been lifted

    The first time I saw Obama giving a campaign speech, I got cold chills. I thought, "This guy is evil," and I was right. The first time I saw Bush Jr. speaking, I thought, "This guy is stupid," and I was right about that, too.

    There is something profoundly creepy about Obama and his adoring sycophants. He's an absolute fraud, a PR invention marketed like a boy band, who pretends to be knowledgeable about many things, but seems, in fact, to know nothing about any of them. His tent revival preacher act is appalling. This political Elmer Gantry should have been thrown out of office on Day One.

     

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    Naugahyde (profile), Jul 27th, 2013 @ 7:01am

    Not misleading

    Still there as of June 7, 2013.

     

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    Naugahyde (profile), Jul 27th, 2013 @ 7:04am

    Re: Re:

    Sorry, it's up to the "whistle blower" to identify the articles, not the newspapers. That's akin to having a home contractor write his own check.

     

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    Charles Wegrzyn, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 7:09am

    Dems and Republicans Can't Be Trusted

    I've be an lifelong supporter of Democrats and Independents since I started to vote in 1972. But with all the revelations I'm beginning to think I'll switch to Libertarian.

    While I don't believe no government is the right approach we need a government we can count on. That means a government where the first order is to obey the Constitution. It is pretty funny that Obama seems to be splitting hairs to support his positions something that makes me very sceptical of him and the both parties. Everything is a nuanced interpretation!!!

    Does anyone remember the most popular phrase during '72 election:

    "Vote for Nixon in 72, why change Dicks in the middle of a screw!"

    We need something like this today because that is what is happening on a bigger and grander scale by both parties and the Whitehouse.

     

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    Ronald L. Gibbs, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 7:22am

    What what Obama Does

    Over the past 5 years of the reign of Barack Hussein Obama I have recognized from his early days in office that the American People should not pay as much attention to what he says but should watch extremely closely at what he does. If you spend enough time listening to his lofty, but hollow rhetoric, you will then find he actually does something totally different. For me that made a clear statement that Barack Hussein Obama is not to be trusted. Early on I began to not truste him and now I don't trust him at all. Trust is not a right, it is something that is earned. Barack Hussein Obama has not earned the Trust of the American People.

     

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    Wahoo, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 7:25am

    Our government is much like professional wrestling. You can cheer for either side, and sometimes your guy may win, but regardless, there's a man behind all the curtains calling the shots and determining the outcomes of the wins (I.E. whIch legislation passes and fails). They also occasionally throw in a side show of shenanigans and dramatic interviews. (I.E. Paula Deen, Zimmerman, Royal baby, or speeches from Reid, Pelosi, Boehner, McConnel, etc). I hate your team, you hate my team, but they're all cashing checks from the same political contributors. They profit, we get lost in our hate for the policies and the teams and the players, then we pay the price for their actions.

    Wake up.

     

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    attilathehun, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 7:29am

    Re: Obama's character

    BHO is a LSOS (lying sack of $%^&)!

     

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    Matt Love (profile), Jul 27th, 2013 @ 7:29am

    Hoover and Obama

    I disagree that Hoover was responsible for the Great Depression. Hoover inherited a festering problem created by the fiscal policies of the Coolidge administration. Hoover, widely regarded as the most capable man in the country, failed to correct them for many of the same reasons Obama failed to correct the problems he inherited. I found this article very persuasive and prescient in that Obama is another Hoover, but not in the way everybody thinks; written just 3 months after Obama took office, he maps the next few years with depressing accuracy: http://harpers.org/archive/2009/07/barack-hoover-obama/.

    However, the author didn't predict that Obama would turn into Nixon. As little expectation I had from Obama, I thought he would be another Carter, but it's clear that Nixon is the antecedent.

     

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    Carl, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 7:41am

    Beware the 2nd Term

    Aside from wars, DHS/TSA (police state), spying on citizens and kowtowing to special interests the Obama Administration and the Bush Administration shared the trait of being even bigger deceitful dicks towards the American people after entering their second term.

    They have nothing to gain in keeping up the micron thin facade that they give a damn.

     

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    OhioRiver, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 7:41am

    2 Veterans walking

    Of course our government lies to us and it's all in the name of 'security'. We all know this and there's 2 veterans walking across America in support of the U.S. Constitution.

    www.WalkDaddyWalk.com

    The rest of us should also be taking a stand as they are and it's once again veterans defending our freedoms.

     

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    Anarchist leaning Libertarian, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 7:41am

    Re: Magic

    LOL!

     

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    horse with no name, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 7:45am

    Re: What what Obama Does

    As soon as you use "hussein" you give yourself away as a card carrying Republican, rifle toting twit. You feel that you have to in some odd way suggest his is not as American as your red white and blue ass. Very stupid, really.

    Politics is a sad game to play, because you never get everything you hope for. Politicians aim high on the campaign trail where they are not encumbered by reality or the need to compromise. Then they get elected, and have to deal with 600 or so other elected people who stood on the campaign trail and pushed for exactly the opposite things.

    Obama is not better and no worse that those who went before him (Remember "mission accomplished" with Shrub Bush? Explain to the thousands of families who lost loves ones in Iraq after the mission was "accomplished" how it feels). Clinton got a hummer and played dip the cigar, Bush Sr said "no new taxes" and Reagan said it was morning in America, and used voodoo economics to steal our future - which the world is still paying for today. Carter was harmless, Ford was funny, Nixon was a crook... how far would you like to go back?

    Political reality and campaign rhetoric never match up.

     

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    Protonius (profile), Jul 27th, 2013 @ 7:51am

    Why not petition the White House to adhere to Obama's 2009 "Ethics Agenda"?

    Here's an idea that, IMO, could catch-on like wildfire. Any opinions on it?:

    Why not take Obama's (now-disappeared) 2008-election-plus "Ethics Agenda" -- specifically, the "Whistleblower Protections" portion as quoted in the TECHDIRT article above -- and post it, with an introduction, as a PETITION on the White House's own "We the People" petition-site?

    For example, perhaps the petition could say:

    "Whereas, We, the People of this great nation, being justly proud of our freedoms-based heritage, and unwilling to witness or permit the slow undoing of those freedoms and human rights to which this nation has traditionally (until now) been committed, HEREBY PETITION the United States Government -- and particularly the current Administration in the White House, and the person currently sitting as President of this nation -- to now FULLY AND WITHOUT RESERVATION (and without intention to deceive, inveigle, or obfuscate) ADHERE TO A PARTICULAR SET OF ETHICS-BASED PRINCIPLES THAT HE AND HIS ADMINISTRATION PREVIOUSLY PROMINENTLY ESPOUSED -- principles that have now apparently been "disappeared" from the Obama-related "Change.Gov" website -- as to the positive importance of and positive need to support the rights of persons who, by dint of their own courage and often at risk to their own futures, seek to expose malfeasance and corruption in our nation's Government: "WHISTLEBLOWERS". Those principles, as previously (but apparently not quite currently) espoused by the person who now sits in the Presidency, had reportedly been stated on the "Change.Gov" website as follows:

    "Protect Whistleblowers: Often the best source of information about waste, fraud, and abuse in government is an existing government employee committed to public integrity and willing to speak out. Such acts of courage and patriotism, which can sometimes save lives and often save taxpayer dollars, should be encouraged rather than stifled. We need to empower federal employees as watchdogs of wrongdoing and partners in performance. Barack Obama will strengthen whistleblower laws to protect federal workers who expose waste, fraud, and abuse of authority in government. Obama will ensure that federal agencies expedite the process for reviewing whistleblower claims and whistleblowers have full access to courts and due process."

     

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    Forrest, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 7:55am

    Change For Worse

    This is the worst administration ever! What we have are a bunch of corrupt and incompetent thugs turning our country into a banana republic!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 8:07am

    Re: Re:

    Don't bash hoover. That's like saying oppenheimer was responsible for Hiroshima.

     

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    Mike Masnick (profile), Jul 27th, 2013 @ 8:12am

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    Sorry, it's up to the "whistle blower" to identify the articles, not the newspapers. That's akin to having a home contractor write his own check.

    So... Daniel Ellsberg? Not a whistleblower in your book?

     

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    Koblog, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 8:14am

    Obama, you keep using that word "transparency." I don't think it means what you think it means.

     

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    Archillies, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 8:15am

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    Umm I think the "Collect all Data" syndrome started in 2002. Plenty of secret efforts predate Prism.

     

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    So, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 8:21am

    Do The Hustle

    No problem...
    The Blamer-in-Chief (and/or his gullible minions as witnessed on this site) will simply label this story as yet another "phony scandal".
    His palace guard press will dutifully report same a fact.
    And we can all keep pretending that somehow even the slightest perceived flaw of this Admin is actually rooted in our own shortcomings predicated by or inability to digest Obama's towering intellectual prowess.
    Stay tuned for Act III - 'It Takes a Woman to Save a Village' starring Hillary Clinton
    Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da, Lies Goes On....

     

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    Richard_A_GA (profile), Jul 27th, 2013 @ 8:22am

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    @Mekongcola - Let's not forget that in both Presidential campaigns Obama promised to do away with the kinds of surveillance, detention programs, and extrajudicial abductions/renditions/interrogation practices of the Bush administration. Instead, he insisted that increasingly abusive executive extrajudicial power over both US citizens and foreigners be included in the NDAAs that have been passed since 2009; plus increasing the reach of NSA surveillance; plus increasing the use of detention; plus taking deliberate focused action against all whistle-blowers who have revealed improper or illegal actions by his administration. He couldn't have done more if Dick Cheney had been retained as his personal adviser for secrecy and retribution. He doesn't get a free pass just because Bush started it. Bush may have started it, but Obama could have ended it and did not, instead knowingly choosing to make it worse.

    BTW - I'm not a Republican or Tea Party troll. I am a regretful 2 time voter for Obama; feeling frustrated and abandoned seeing the number of Constitutional rights that have been compromised under the Obama administration. As a trained Constitutional lawyer, one can only conclude that he has known exactly what he and his administration have done and has decided the Constitution isn't relevant if it conflicts with what he wants to do. His administration has no hold on the moral high ground in criticizing SCOTUS for any of its actions comprising citizens' rights under the Constitution.

     

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    Anti Christ, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 8:27am

    Re: Re: Americas terrorist state

    Find reality - I have not heard of the US setting off car bombs in markets have you?

    Bye troll, the black list has you now...

     

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    North Needle, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 8:39am

    Co

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 8:44am

    Re:

    don't be so naive. Oftentimes the way your reputation gets tarnished the most is by the cruel back-talk of other people who can't stand that you do the right thing.

     

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    justme, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 9:18am

    The government should hope that any countries threatened with sanctions don't create their own sanctions against the U.S.. We have outsourced so much of what we use on a daily basis that a lot of people would feel crippled if the other countries stopped exporting it.

     

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    seanboud, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 9:31am

    Manning

    Manning is subject to the UCMJ and not civilian law since he in in uniform and a member of the armed services. You are bound by oath and a different set of rules apply to you as a result. The same goes with your treatment in a brig or stockade. It's not civilian law enforcement. It's the military. It's harsh.

    Learn the facts. He put his brothers and sisters in danger during a time of war. He should be put against a wall, stripped of all rank and insignia and shot for treason.

    Snowden is an entirely different matter, as is Assange since neither was in the military and one isn't even an American citizen.

     

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    TheSwordNPen, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 9:44am

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    That's why they are called politicians!Politicians R career leech's off society seeking for their own benefit 2them&their families rich!Statesmen R those who truly serve the people who elected them&only seek 2 serve a short term, instead of bleeding the nations of their wealth!

     

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    Anonymous, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 9:50am

    hypocrisy

    see something, say something...as long as it isn't us you are looking at.

     

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    TheSwordNPen, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 9:57am

    Re: Manning

    Manning those who never served don't understand what the military is! Its a Military Command with Chain of Command, its a dictator style outfit that serves to protect US citizens rights&freedoms! We who serve give up those rights when we enlist! We do it with pride & love of our Country! Also we knowingly do so knowing the Code of Military Justice! We military don't expect the ordinary US citizen to understand this! You leak military secrets you will pay the price! Plus this guy put his fellow soldiers in harms way! Also most US citizens don't realize he had the option of a Special Court Marital which makes it closer to civilian US courts! He opted for a Judge to give the verdict rather than a jury which is what he would of had if he asked for it! He obviously feels he has a better chance with a Judge!

     

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    anton, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 10:27am

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    He is not a trained Constitutional lawyer; that myth was debunked years ago. He ran a 2-hour class now and then where any subject could be discussed, and this was transformed by his PR team into the myth: "He was a Constitutional law professor." He was no professor, and no real teacher. He got the job because of his friendship with people-in-power at the school. He didn't even have an office. And he clearly knows nothing about the Constitution.

    We have no idea what he studied in college or law school, or how well he did, because every record from his birth forward has been sealed. All we know are the whoppers put into his fake autobiographies ghostwritten by professional writers, but for which he receives and takes gushing literary credit. (The only known example of his writing--a single college paper--is illiterate.) Virtually none of the grand stories included in his fake autobiographies are factual.

    The man is a pathological liar, and a consummate huckster. He was selected, groomed, and packaged for the office by some unseen players, and his entire life history was fabricated to make him seem bigger than life. I call him Barry von Munchhausen, but that's being too kind.

     

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    Anonymous, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 10:31am

    Re: Down the memory hole.

    We have always been at war with Oceania.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 10:41am

    Re: Re:

    You assume that voting actually does anything

    Like somehow if the guy in charge was wearing a nice little red pin he would somehow be less treacherous than what we currently have.

    Pshaw, I say to that.

     

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    Jordan, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 10:50am

    Response to: luke on Jul 26th, 2013 @ 2:24pm

    Wrong! You cannot find that statement on whitehouse.gov. Do your research before your so quick to worship at the altar of obama

     

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    Jordan, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 10:54am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Great comment. Check me out if your on twitter: ajmidey. I'll follow back

     

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    comen, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 11:59am

    Politicians are hypocrits. Obama is the Liar in Chief. He does not care as he achieved the change he wanted. The change was he has power and will act to preserve and use it for his own gain. The lies that got him the power are no longer useful and will be rewritten to change the history.

     

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    Ray, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 12:06pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    Did U Really Forget About 9/11 Already? Wake Up America! THe Politicians in This Country Should All Be Fired And We Start With New Younger People And Bring 'Christ' Back into everything'!

     

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    Robert Nagel, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 12:06pm

    Hoover & stockmarket

    Hoover was not the cause of the stock market crash. A bubble on Wall Street was the cause and Hoover had nothing to do with it. Something the fans of Obamna will not be able to say after his crash happens.

     

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    NeckBeard, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 12:55pm

    FBHO

    Most transparent administration in History.

    FBHO

     

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    Matt Love (profile), Jul 27th, 2013 @ 1:08pm

    Re: Re: Re: Uh

    Uh, phlypp, so Kerry and Holder are Republicans? Bush called Snowden a traitor, and called on European banana republics to divert Morales' plane, and threatened sanctions (and possibly invasion) against any country that would give him sanctuary?

    Anhd now its hate to accurately criticize Obama for things he did?

    Uh uh, indeed. No sir, I don't like it.

     

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    Matt Love (profile), Jul 27th, 2013 @ 1:11pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Good, let's get the year right, but lets not overlook the political party of Dianne Feinstein - it's a bipartisan effort, always has been, but ultimately the buck stops with the one that is keeping these things in place, extending them, not rolling them back, not speaking out against them, but calling people traitors for speaking or acting against them. I'm referring of course to the current president, George W. Obama.

     

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    yourstupid, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 1:26pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    Mekongcola,

    Just because it was started under Bush, doesn't mean Obama should expand, or allow it to exist. But yeah, let's just blame Bush for everything like always.

     

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    Matt Love (profile), Jul 27th, 2013 @ 1:37pm

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    Please cite your sources. This whole statement sounds like birther/tea party propaganda to me. I am certainly no fan of the man - quite the contrary, but we're not well served by repeating misinformation. What records do we have of Bush, Clinton, Reagan's college years? Why has nobody been worried about it before, with other presidents?

    I wouldn't doubt that his autobiographies are ghostwritten. Please tell me who the true authors are? Perhaps the same team that's been writing J.K. Rowling's books since the first Harry Potter novel? So who are they, and what's your proof?

    Snopes offers a good rebuttal to the "not a professor" charge: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp. Please don't delay in calling Snopes a CIA front or repeating some other baseless slander that's been going around!

     

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    alSharpton, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 1:41pm

    Re: This article is incorrect.

    You're a rascist

     

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    Matt Love (profile), Jul 27th, 2013 @ 1:48pm

    Re: Re: Re: Americas terrorist state

    As a state that creates terror, the US has no peer. We don't need to set off car bombs in markets because we can create so much more terror by dropping bombs from planes. Why limit ourselves to small, localized terror incidents when we can make really really massive ones? This does not make us a dictatorship, however. Most Americans don't oppose our status as the world's greatest terror state - most either don't know it, or they approve of it. There are very few consequences for most people who oppose government policies. As long as we stay inside the roped off free speech zones, and don't break laws, their monitoring of us was so discreet as to be unnoticed, until Snowden. So I wouldn't call it a dictatorship. Some kinda nasty, but not a dictatorship.

     

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    Matt Love (profile), Jul 27th, 2013 @ 1:54pm

    Re: Re: This article is incorrect.

    If you were the real Al Sharpton, you'd know how to spell "Racist."

    If you were the real Al Sharpton, there's a better chance you'd hurl the accusation around with a bit more accuracy.

     

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    Matt Love (profile), Jul 27th, 2013 @ 2:39pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    I'd like to know how far you can push them. Do you know? Can you tell me what the tipping point is? Because you can only push them so far, but that's pretty far, and it's been true since Contragate. The failure to hold the Reagan crime cartel responsible for that set the stage for all future criminality.

     

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    Larry Croft, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 2:40pm

    Whistleblower protection

    Isn't it nice having websites where we can selectively delete?

    People like Obama couldn't remove paper content.

     

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    Mikey, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 2:48pm

    Re: Re:

    Hoover wasn't responsible for the stock market crash of 1929.

     

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    steve baker, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 2:52pm

    Re: Re:

    You obviously don't personally remember Nixon, do you?

    His entire administration's transgressions couldn't hold a candle to one week of Obama's dismantling of our Constitutional freedoms and protections.

    And he loved our Country enough to resign rather than subject it to crisis.

     

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    anton, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 2:53pm

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    He's the first president about whom almost NOTHING is known or documented. We do have Bush's college records; every presidential candidate before Obama was vetted; they all had or have REAL birth certificates. We don't have Obama's. In fact, his campaign and later his White House issued two different alleged birth certificates (one was simply a Hawaiian document of birth readily available for a fee to anybody born anywhere in the world back then; they were literally sold by the state), naming different hospitals and different doctors. None of his records have come to light; he had them officially sealed his first day on the job, so now nobody can get to them.

    Jack Cashill, a specialist in literary forensics, names Bill Ayers as the author of "Dreams From My Father," and Obama's speech writer as the author of his second "autobiography."

    http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/who_wrote_dreams_from_my_fathe_1.html

    Obama was not a professor of Constitutional law by the standards of any normal university; however, I concede that the University of Chicago Law School, which formerly called him a senior lecturer, now says he was a professor of law, without the title, though he only worked part-time.

    Don't dismiss the birthers out-of-hand. They have legitimate questions that Obama could answer in one minute by unsealing his records. Instead, he doubles down on the secrecy, and ridicules skeptics. Have you noticed that he ridicules everyone who doesn't kiss his feet or agree with him? Have we ever before had a president who spitefully ridiculed half the population to humor the other half?

    There is something very wrong with him and his wife. They are not remotely normal by any stretch of the imagination. They are nasty, vindictive, and deceitful.

     

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    anton, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 3:04pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Jordan, I'm not on Twitter. Sorry. I don't even know how to access your comments.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 3:40pm

    prepare oneself for social justice

    Whistle blowing and revealing scandals only needs to apply to and take place under a republican administration. Democrat administrations are made of wise leaders who do what is only in our very best interest without any self interest involvement whatsoever. Those who oppose these wise leaders need to be tracked, hacked, and thrown in jail for having thoughts that are not in line with those who only act in the best interest of the poor and downtrodden. Anyone who dares to report these imprisonments should face a similar persecution. America is not about people having free will to act in one's self interest, it is about bringing social justice to anyone whose personal or ancestral actions have ever infringed on anyone else. It is about reversing decades of colonialism and it is about taking from the producers and giving to the takers who have not had the opportunities to succeed themselves.

    So look around and realize that everything is going to change and if you make a dime more than anyone else on the planet you better be prepared to have it taken away from you....in fairness.

    ***note this does not apply to the leaders bringing about the social justice after all, they deserve more in return for their selflessness.

     

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    Adam Abramowitz, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 4:11pm

    Obama is the WORST PRESIDENT of all time. At least Reagan, Nixon, and the two Bushes didn't screw over their entire party, causing a momentous shift to the right (or, in their cases, to the left). The Democrats aren't acting like Democrats. The ONLY politicians that I trust on the National stage are Mr. Sanders, and Ms. Warren.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 4:15pm

    Re: Re: Manning

    Maybe I just don't understand because I'm just an ordinary citizen, but can you point me to the part of the UCMJ that outlaws the use of periods?

     

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    RWing, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 4:23pm

    He signed it.

    What's even worse is that he actually signed the law into effect last December. He's just choosing to ignore it.

     

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    LuluBelle (profile), Jul 27th, 2013 @ 4:44pm

    Re: Re: Re: The veil has been lifted

    Wrong, I was just at change.gov a month ago, that is when I saved that entire page because I KNEW they would wipe it clean once the Snowden thing gained enough traction, they are HIGHLY predictable in this administration.

     

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    Rico, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 4:52pm

    Whistle Blowers Turning in Obama Cronies

    When the whistle blowers are turning in Obama Cronies and appointees, it's another story...

     

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    Wally (profile), Jul 27th, 2013 @ 5:25pm

    Re: Obama

    Being born on a US military base hospital qualifies a person as being a US Citizen.

     

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    Wally (profile), Jul 27th, 2013 @ 5:27pm

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    Oppenheimer was not responsible for Hiroshima.

     

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    not what it seems, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 5:37pm

    Re: The veil has been lifted

    i wouldnt say obama is entirely at fault. The people who were in the whitehouse during GWB and are still in the whitehouse now are the ones at fault. The ones that are manipulating him. He wasnt like this when he started. What happened to his vigor and determination? You can see it slowly dying away over the years. Presidents are just the face which we point the blame. Its like school principals having to listen to the PTA

     

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    Richard_A_GA (profile), Jul 27th, 2013 @ 5:48pm

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    @anton - You're right: I accepted without question the credential often presented by President Obama, his staff, and his campaign team that he was a "Constitutional law professor". Based on additional research done after reading your rebuttal, as far as I can see, the actual situation is somewhere in between your position and his preferred biographical positioning. I could not find info on his academic training at Harvard, but his teaching at the University of Chicago on some aspects of Constitutional law was more that just "...a 2-hour class now and then...". It was 12 years of teaching on 3 topics: due process and equal protection areas of constitutional law (a topic directly relevant to his anti-constitutional positions on indefinite detention without charge or trial and extrajudicial executions); voting rights and the evolution of election law; and racism and the law. At least the first two could be considered to be specific to Constitutional rights and the third could have aspects related to equal protection provisions. So, whether or not he was technically a "Constitutional law professor" as he claims and as I described, his courses were enough that he should be fully aware of the Constitutional rights that are being abridged or compromised by the positions that he has taken on FISA, NDAA, and several other wide reaching laws he has pushed. His positions have had severely affected due process and expanded the massive surveillance of the very large majority of US citizens and citizens of other countries not suspected of being engaged in illegal activities.

    Whether Constitutional law professor or not, it appears from the rest of your comment that we have basically the same view of the outcome of his actions related to Constitutional rights. I focused more on the outcomes of his actions without considering his character and you focused more on your view of his character that drove the outcomes.

     

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    Wally (profile), Jul 27th, 2013 @ 5:56pm

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    I did remember Nixon. His disrepute did not cause a financial mess....in fact...in quite a few articles long before this one I aptly compare the Obama Administration to the Nixon administration.

     

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    Wally (profile), Jul 27th, 2013 @ 5:58pm

    I'm going to just flat out say it.

    This is just like Richard Nixon.

     

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    Donna Freeman, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 5:59pm

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    He did sign it more than once.He even signed it new year's eve.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 6:06pm

    O'B said

    to the Military... No Sexual harassment
    to Weiner, Spitzer,and the mayor

    he said ...as the tel-prompter went blank

     

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    Tyrone_X, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 6:17pm

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    Are you referring to Bernie Sanders the Communist and Elizabeth "Fauxahontas" Warren? I believe you are making a serious statement, which makes it all the more sad.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 7:03pm

    it's called Change.gov

    and you don't expect change ???

    it's the same thing as expecting the truth from TD !!!..

    Just not going to happen..

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 7:32pm

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    and I bet the color of his skin has a lot to do with your backward and biased opinion.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 7:46pm

    Color of his skin makes a difference !!!

    it's amusing how you Americans express your racism, sure Bush was a monster, put the planet into a massive financial crisis, authorised special renditions, went to war without congress approval..

    But OBAMA IS BLACK !!!!!..

    The first Black President, so he just has to be the worst.

     

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    LuluBelle (profile), Jul 27th, 2013 @ 8:54pm

    It's amusing how everything that the left doesn't agree with MUST come down to racism, well surprise honey but I don't like his white half either.

     

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    Diogenes, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 9:24pm

    Those promises were just for the campaign - not reality.

    Those promises were just for the campaign - not reality. Buh-bye broken promises.

     

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    anton, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 9:29pm

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    No, he taught three classes each semester; literally three classes, not three full, and separate courses. This is far from any rational definition of a Constitutional law professor. He's part of the Chicago political machine, and can get the school say whatever he wants. Look at their big financial contributors and then compare the list to his.

    His public statements and actions do not comport with the Constitution or his sworn oath to protect and defend it. He is a lifelong rabble-rouser, for which his euphemism is "community organizer." His real job during all those years was to stir up trouble, to pit one group against another, which is something obviously specializes in. He's still doing it. Never before in my life have I witnessed a U.S. president turning one group of citizens against another, but he does so continuously.

     

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    anton, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 9:43pm

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    Gee, do you fit the pattern of an Obamabot, or what? There is nothing about my comment that is backward or biased (do you even know the meaning of "biased?" Hint, it isn't a synonym for bigoted, which my comment also is not). I couldn't care less about his skin color. As someone whose entire life was changed by the civil rights movement, when my father, a real professor, lost his job for defending the rights of blacks to attend his classes (contrary to the wishes of his department head), I think I know a bit more about this subject than you apparently do.

    Calling Obama's critics racists has become so predictable and trite with him and his minions that nobody listens anymore. Well, nobody other than his minions, who spend inordinate amounts of time circling the wagons and making fools of themselves defending a loathsome entity who wouldn't lift a finger on their behalf. So worship your manufactured celebrity to your heart's content. Someday, soon I hope, his real history will be exposed, and I feel pretty confident you won't like what you learn. But, it really doesn't take a genius to realize that a man who not only supports elective (i.e., non-medically necessary) abortions at nine months gestation, but also voted against a law requiring medical care for babies who survived abortion, is not a decent, kind, or generous man. He's a sociopath.

    BTW, as soon as he took office he lifted the national restriction on wolf hunting. So much for his professed support of animal rights.

     

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    anton, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 9:51pm

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    I just went through your other posts, so I apologize for taking your comment seriously. Were you being facetious? It's hard to tell from your other posts whether you are defending or attacking Obama, or both. Sometimes it helps to add "sarc off" at the end if you're being facetious. Just a suggestion....

     

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    RJ Stiles, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 10:00pm

    Backup of original site

     

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    Ray, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 10:02pm

    The invisible hand

    Blackmail not bribes are the currency of the realm in politics. This is why the NSA issue is so important. It strikes at the very leash the invisible hand uses to walk our political guard dogs keeping us all prisoner.

    I wish someone would create a website that joins groups on issues we all agree on. They use divide and conquer to keep us divided into two half wits right / left. The little things we don't agree on are chump change compared to what we do.

    Let's say Obama's birth certificate can be used to throw him out of office anytime he tries to defend our shrinking rights? That is why that mattered. Politicians are nearly all blackmailed and the NSA is an important part of that control structure. Without privacy, there can be no freedom.

     

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    techflaws (profile), Jul 27th, 2013 @ 10:11pm

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    It's like the clueless don't even try anymore.

     

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    Jon, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 11:15pm

    Re: Nixon's been bested

    Oh, Obama beats Nixon by an ocean's worth of distance. He's going to be remembered as America's first tyrant. But hopefully not it's last president.

     

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    Boondoggler, Jul 27th, 2013 @ 11:37pm

    Whats real

    What is happening here is the worst kind of racism. Blacks have turned their backs on this Country in order to protect this swindler, just because he is half black. This kind of racism is destroying our Country.

     

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    Chris, Jul 28th, 2013 @ 4:31am

    Illegal and unconstitutional administration

    Never before has the US ever seen a more corrupt, unconstitutional, and illegal administration in control of its country. A 2 year investigation on Obummer's birth certificate has wrapped and getting ready to go public - it was falsified! Obummer gas not kept a single campaign promise (not even the ACA - as it has now been projected to not be affordable). The massive jump in the deficit, the surge in the erosion of individual rights with the NDAA and patriot act (to name a few) is a sign to what is to come if things are not corrected quickly.....

     

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    stonehillady, Jul 28th, 2013 @ 5:12am

    Re: The veil has been lifted

    I don't think we have the time for anymore elections, the Powers that be are well aware that many of the sheep have awoken. Things are going to happen pretty fast & we are all doomed for an October surprise. It has all been planned, I think the NWO will start with the demise of the dollar, then Martial Law in Oct. So be prepaid and I dread what will happen to those who live in heavily populated areas first, like major cities & their suburbs. Heaven help us all.

     

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    Reclaim_Nation (profile), Jul 28th, 2013 @ 5:14am

    Military Takeover of the Government

    The US Military (NSA) has required all Internet connected electronic device makers (Samsung, HTC, Apple, Google, Microsoft, GM, Chrysler, Ford, etc) to embed backdoor access in all software & hardware in those products to allow them (NSA) to monitor us instantly and easily (PC's, smartphones, OnStar System, tablets, xBox, Skype, Office 365, Skype, DropBox, laptops, PC's, cars, trucks, etc). Using this back door access the NSA now has the capability to store everything and anything about each of us (device audio, video, keyword searches, email content, web sites visited, contacts, GPS locations, etc) . They have your voice-print, and face image (for facial recognition). They (the NSA) have admitted they can turn on any of your devices at any time and use the microphones and/or cameras and convert all your conversations to text and store it forever.

    Police already abuse the immense power they have, but when everyone’s actions are being monitored, and everyone technically violates some obscure law at some time, then punishment becomes purely selective. Those in power will essentially have what they need to punish anyone they’d like, whenever they choose, as if there were no rules at all.

    Google, AT&T, Sprint, Verizon, etc got so many requests from the NSA for your data that they built an automated system to handle these warrantless requests for your private info.

    This trend towards automation (which includes things like high res license plate scanners and domestically deployed drones) now represents a significant shift in the way that law enforcement operates. Selective detection, arrest, and punishment becomes automated.

     

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    stonehillady, Jul 28th, 2013 @ 5:25am

    Re: Change.gov website content deletion

    Notice that Obama & Congress want to try Snowden for Treason ? Treason means abating the enemy. Snowden wanted to inform the American People what our government was doing to us, he didn't reveal anything but the programs themselves.
    So what does Obama & Congress think is Treason ? The enemy is the American public then. Wake up folks we are the governments enemy, that is why Homeland Security purchased 2 billion rounds of UN illegal hollow point bullets.

     

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    Anonymous, Jul 28th, 2013 @ 5:36am

    Re: Color of his skin makes a difference !!!

    You want to talk racism? How about those who voted for Obama simply because he's black? Isn't that just as racist as voting against him simply because he's black?
    Whatever the case, America wanted the novelty of having its first black president. Well, the novelty wore off long ago, and now we all have to live with the consequences.

     

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    STYN, Jul 28th, 2013 @ 5:57am

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    What about old "W".....He screwed us royally we will be feeling the affects of his administration for decades.

     

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    STYNG, Jul 28th, 2013 @ 6:00am

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    You are a bottom feeder.....

     

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    The Real Michael, Jul 28th, 2013 @ 6:06am

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    I would like to remind you that Hitler was also democratically elected. And yes, he was most definitely a dictator.

     

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    STYNG, Jul 28th, 2013 @ 6:07am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Americas terrorist state

    Boston....The World Trade Center.....The Pentagon.....Loss of g Life....Listening to my phone calls......Snowden.....You decide!

     

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    The Real Michael, Jul 28th, 2013 @ 6:19am

    Re: Re: Change.gov website content deletion

    Spot-on.

     

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    Matt Love (profile), Jul 28th, 2013 @ 6:59am

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    A little advice. You shouldn't lead with the wackjob stuff about his birth certificate. Your subjective stuff about how spiteful, hateful, etc he is weak also, given that the office has been occupied by people like Jackson, Teddy Roosevelt, Nixon, and Reagan, real haters. The strategy of rejecting a University as not real because they don't define things the way you do doesn't persuade me. "Professor" isn't a precise technical term anywhere. It's not the same as claiming you have a PhD when you have a Masters, for example. I'll check out your link.

     

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    Matt Love (profile), Jul 28th, 2013 @ 7:09am

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    I too remember Nixon. The problem with Nixon is they went after him for the wrong crime - Watergate. It was two bit stuff, and it was largely politically motivated. They should have gone after him for the secret bombing of Cambodia - monstrous war crimes. I guess Americans didn't give a shit about Cambodians, any more than they care about Iraqis. At least, the politicians sure didn't/don't. I've read that part of Obama's "legal" justification for his much smaller, but still grotesque, drone assassination program was Nixon's bombing campaign. Now, if I kill somebody thinking I'll get away with it, because other murders have gone unpunished, I won't get very far with that logic. But in the executive branch, unpunished crimes are indeed precedent for allowing further crimes. Obama stands on the shoulders of giants. The kind portrayed in Jack and the Bean Stalk. And the idea that Nixon up because he cared about the nation is absurd. He did it to save his own neck, after exploring every other option, including imposition of martial law. The reason that subsequent criminals like Clinton, Bush, and Obama would never consider resigning is the precedent of Reagan surviving the feeble, inept, and perhaps deliberately failed attempts at accountability.

     

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    Matt Love (profile), Jul 28th, 2013 @ 7:18am

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    First you make an absolute statement that remove any politician from the category of promise keepers. Then you say there are "a few" exceptions. Which is it, none, or a few? How many is a few, and how do you know? I agree that it's a good default to assume that politicians are liars, and proceeding on that basis until I learn otherwise. But that doesn't mean they all are. I have no idea how many are, and ready to have my mind changed based on evidence. It's the difference between skepticism and cynicism.

     

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    Nicholas, Jul 28th, 2013 @ 8:09am

    Myth Debunked (It's just been moved, people)

     

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    Matt Love (profile), Jul 28th, 2013 @ 9:53am

    Re: Myth Debunked (It's just been moved, people)

    This is obviously not the same document. The one you link to is dated October 10, 2012, and there is none of this language in it: "Often the best source of information about waste, fraud, and abuse in government is an existing government employee committed to public integrity and willing to speak out." It would be interesting to compare the two documents to see what they have in common, and what they have changed, and what either of them have to do with hounding a whistleblower (and any nation that offers him sanctuary) across the entire planet.

     

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    Matt Love (profile), Jul 28th, 2013 @ 10:04am

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    My argument is that Obama represents a continuation, sometimes an expansion, sometimes not, of the behavior of other recent presidents. The achievements, academic and professional of all presidents is exaggerated. Aside from Dubya, everybody assures you all these guys are genius level intellectuals (some would make that arguement for Dub). They were all huge successes in every enterprise they ever engaged in. They are all moral paragons. They assured us that Reagan was the Great Communicator even as he was first saying bizarre things, then was silenced, by dementia. Obama's status as a constitutional law professor is more firmly grounded in reality than a lot of nonsense people say about US presidents. You are correct to focus on his actual current behavior. Some of his attacks on the Constitution are unprecedented. Some aren't. I think current trends started under Truman, and accelerated under Reagan, Obama represents an exacerbated continuation of an ignoble trend.

     

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    Matt Love (profile), Jul 28th, 2013 @ 10:06am

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    That's his point, innit?

     

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    Matt Love (profile), Jul 28th, 2013 @ 10:12am

    Re: Re: Nixon's been bested

    How do you know this? Do you have a crystal ball? It's more useful to stick with the facts.

    Nixon would have gone as far as he thought necessary to maintain power, including martial law. I suppose Obama would too, but we have different circumstances that make direct comparisons difficult. For example, we have a more passive population. Would people have been gunned down instead of beaten up when Obama closed down Occupy camps if Nixon had been in office? And if Obama explores imposing Martial Law, would his advisers advise against it, or say, "Yes, we can!" It hasn't come up because the great majority of the herders and the sheep are on the same page. If we get serious opposition, we'll be in a better position to know.

     

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    Matt Love (profile), Jul 28th, 2013 @ 10:19am

    Re: Myth Debunked (It's just been moved, people)

    It appears that the Obama promise is quoted in its entirety in this article. One can view other things Obama promised here: http://web.archive.org/web/20130425082834/http://change.gov/agenda/ethics_agenda/ and compare to his actual performance

     

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    Anonymous, Jul 28th, 2013 @ 1:02pm

    Okay, okay, we get the point. You can stop bumping this article.

     

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    anton, Jul 28th, 2013 @ 1:47pm

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    I don't think any rational person would call Ronald Reagan a hater; even those politicians who loathed him said he was amazingly kind.

    Can you supply evidence of Obama displaying kindness to anyone not in front of a photographer? Can you cite a single act of charity in his entire life? The Democrats trashed Romney, who spends forty hours every week doing charitable stuff, and has done since he was in his early twenties. Obama has never done any. In fact, until he became president, he barely even donated to charities, despite a very large income.

    We have his published speeches going back for years: They're all laced with spite, ridicule, and sarcasm for everyone not on far left or on the receiving end of taxpayers' money. But, otherwise they say nothing. He uses platitudes and slogans, not rational sentences, to mesmerize the gullible. He plays the race card at every available opportunity.

    As for his birth certificate: It's a fake. So was the previous one, and yet his campaign and his administration produced both of them, claiming they were authentic. Evidently, the fools didn't bother comparing them. If one says he was born in hospital A the other says hospital B, and different attending physicians are listed, you automatically KNOW that at least one of the two is erroneous. But, now we know both are erroneous. And the real one is sealed up, shielded from inspection. How come? What's he hiding?

    I have no doubt the FBI, CIA, and the other alphabet federal police agencies have every sordid detail of his life in big fat files, and the fact that they have managed to keep it all secret is very suggestive. Perhaps, they are the ones who wanted him to be president in the first place? How come he gets to keep his secrets, but we, the People, don't get to keep ours?

     

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    Matt Love (profile), Jul 28th, 2013 @ 3:14pm

    Re: You voted for Clinton and Obama twice now pwn it

    Whoa, hard to see reality through all the strawmen you throw up. All sorts of people are concerned about the criminal behavior or Reagan and the Bushes, not just "occupy anarchists and hippie rad lib crowd." Anarchists and radicals have no love for Clinton or Obama, either. It's true that neoliberals and reflexive democrats overlook Clinton and Obama for committing the same crimes as Reagan and the Bushes - but the inverse is true for Republicans. It's a terrible problem that most Americans think politics are sports, and are more concerned about being on the winning team than with integrity and justice - but you think the problems lie in one part of the small percentage of Americans that don't do this. Just like the idiots that think Nader is "worse than Hitler" for daring to run a campaign to the left of the chosen one.

     

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    Matt Love (profile), Jul 28th, 2013 @ 3:36pm

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    I'm sure that Reagan always kept up the avuncular act with the rich and powerful, he certainly had years of experience with that as the property of GE, a capacity he acted in for many years. I was thinking more about his "if it takes a bloodbath" about student activists when he was governor, telling a protester at one of his speeches to "shut up", his smashing the air traffic controllers union (an important event in the ongoing elevation of owners and forcing workers downward), his racist and wacky stories about welfare cheats, and opposition to the MLK holiday. He and Nancy were friends with Rock Hudson, so they had no problem with rich and famous gays, but he did nothing about AIDS; if you can find any reference to Reagan even talking about AIDS, you've uncovered something really unusual. His love for fascism in Central America and hate for democracy and the murderous policies he pursued in the region is enough to qualify him as a hater in my book.

    Now Obama is a great admirer of Reagan, and has copied his style and approach to great success. Like Reagan, and unlike Nixon, he jokes with the press, which helps to coat him with teflon like his role model. Unlike Reagan, he has tremendous discipline - I certainly believe he's a very arrogant man, but if he's ever publicly threatened people who oppose him with a bloodbath, or told them to "shut up," I'd like to know about it.

    I don't watch Obama's public appearances on TV, I don't think there's anything to be learned from these prefab interactions with people, but I can't help but occasionally run across clips of him making the rounds, and he seems as at ease and for lack of a better word "friendly" as anybody else.

    It just seems to me you are putting Obama in a special, separate category of political evil because of personal antipathy, not because of an objective look at recent US political history or at Obama's character.

     

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    Matt Love (profile), Jul 28th, 2013 @ 4:26pm

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    After Bush Sr. (mostly as a result of Reagan policies) and Bush Jr, the situation was created where Democrats swept into office with such force that people were pondering the end of the Republican Party, or predicting they'd be out of power for a century. The fact the the Dems screwed up things so badly people embraced the Republicans again only shows that the differences between the two parties are like differences between Coke and Pepsi - superficial. For a large percentage of the population they are interchangeable. It would be a mistake to use the metaphor of mirror, because they are more alike than opposite. Gore Vidal pointed that out very well, on many occasions; here is one nice example: "There is only one party in the United States, the Property Party … and it has two right wings: Republican and Democrat."

     

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    Matt Love (profile), Jul 28th, 2013 @ 5:00pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Americas terrorist state

    incoherent.... comment... too.... many.... ellipses... to be sure.... what you are... trying to.... say.... If you are trying to say these are all inside jobs, I have nothing to say to you, you are beyond reach. If you are trying to say that the World Trade Center Pentagon attacks, etc are worse than what we've done to the rest of the world - consider the US terror attack on Iraq alone.

     

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    den, Jul 28th, 2013 @ 5:25pm

    Guess

    Snowden probably left because he spoke with someone who'd spent a lot of time in Germany in the thirties and forties. One will also notice that it seems like many from the Obama Organization spent time there as well.

     

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    Tracy Latham, Jul 28th, 2013 @ 6:03pm

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    He brought up race to head off being a bigot...which ultimately happens if you dislike President Obama.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 28th, 2013 @ 7:20pm

    I'm not American, so I don't know the laws... but if the election promise was:
    "Barack Obama will strengthen whistleblower laws to protect federal workers who expose waste, fraud, and abuse of authority in government. Obama will ensure that federal agencies expedite the process for reviewing whistleblower claims and whistleblowers have full access to courts and due process."

    Looking at current events, why hasn't there been a move to impeach Obama... at this point isn't it clear that he lied.

     

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    Ninja (profile), Jul 29th, 2013 @ 4:42am

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    Maybe I should have used almost instead of no. Still, it's true. I'm following a few politicians here in my country (because unfortunately I can't follow them all) and I've seen some of them I thought to be the exceptions being actually more of the same and others I bet without much faith to be exactly what I define as an exception. I'm by no means a cynic. I do believe there are good people out there.

    What I do doubt is how effective those people can be given how rotten politics are nowadays.

     

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    warp, Jul 29th, 2013 @ 10:12am

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    Herbert Hoover inherited the Crash.

     

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    John Fenderson (profile), Jul 29th, 2013 @ 10:24am

    Re: Re: Americas terrorist state

    Dictatorships and "terrorist states" are independent concepts. You can fully be one and not the other.

    A dictatorship is a state where there is a single individual whose word is law. The US isn't anything even close to that.

     

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    Matt Love (profile), Jul 29th, 2013 @ 3:41pm

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    I apologize for being nitpicky. there are certainly bigger fights to be picked in the world than this. heck, there are bigger fights to be picked on this page.

     

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    anton, Jul 29th, 2013 @ 9:37pm

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    So, in other words, what you're getting at, without saying it, is that you believe Regan was more or less anti-gay (thus a "hater"), while you think Obama is a a gay-rights supporter (a "friendly" guy). Got it. Nothing more needs to be said. Invariably with his defenders, it comes down to self-interest, or maybe I should say selfish-interest. And to hell with the rest of the world.

    BTW, I'm gay. His miraculously timed flip-flop on gay marriage right before the last election didn't fool me, but it obviously fooled millions of other gays. Gay fools, all.

    George Bush, Jr. did more for AIDs victims in Africa than all other presidents combined, but I never saw or heard any liberals, except for Bono, praising him for it. You see, in politics it isn't what you do that matters; it's that you do it in concert with whatever side is judging. Obama could slaughter and eat babies on television, and Democrats would think it was adorable. And so would several million gay fools, who think getting married to each other is more important (though most of them will never have the storybook weddings they fantasize) than tens of millions of American families facing long-term unemployment, poverty, and misery because of the destructive, self-serving policies of this administration.

     

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    Michael Price, Jul 30th, 2013 @ 5:54am

    Punished for the rightful acts of others, double injustice.

    Trade sanctions? So you're not allowed to trade with someone because their government protected someone who told you what your government is doing? Yeah that's fair.

     

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    Matt Love (profile), Jul 30th, 2013 @ 7:07am

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    I partially agree with you. Carter was far from harmless to the people of Nicaragua, and the people of East Timor, for a start. Just about any US president could, and should, be prosecuted for war crimes by the standards that are applied to African despots - they get a pass because the power structure of the empire closes around them, so that each in his turn gets to be as criminal as he wants to be. In some ways Obama is no worse than those that came before, but in some ways he is worse. He claims the right, openly to target and kill anybody he wishes (including Americans) any time he wants, for any reason or no reason at all, with no restraint and no oversight. Assassination is a tool that's been available to the US presidency for some time - but it's an indication of the decay of our republic that our godfather can (and does) openly brag about his crimes.

     

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    Geoffrey Akinya, Jul 30th, 2013 @ 8:22am

    obama hypocrisy

    Unfortunately Obama is not being a hypocrite. He can only be a hypocrite if he acted to support whistleblowers and then turned around later to condemn and intimidate whistleblowers. In fact Obama has not done such a thing. what he has done is condemn and intimidate whistleblowers ONLY. Just because he had a few concept speeches doesn't mean a thing. Watch what he does - not what he says. Obama is merely the tool of the great American tradition that every American aspires to - an imperialist 'democrat' consisted since 1965! Thank you america for making the world a truly better place in your own way!

     

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    Matt Love (profile), Jul 30th, 2013 @ 8:30am

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    I read Cashill's article with great interest. It seems to me that a strong political bias appears in several points that may taint his analysis. He seems eager to present Bill Ayers as a Weather Underground radical; but I get fundraising emails from Ayers regularly, and it's clear that he's just a standard issue Democrat these days. Cashill compares Obama to Edward Said and Rigoberta Menchu, in an obvious attempt to portray Obama as some kind of leftist. A much more apt comparison would be to Kennedy and his ghostwritten Profiles In Courage; but Chashill would be loath to acknowledge that Kennedy, Reagan and Obama form a sort of triumvirate of misunderstood, and overestimated political opportunists.

    Cashill makes a couple of errors that make me think he isn't as smart as he thinks he is; from what is a simple mistake, where he refers to Obamas election as "Harvard's first black president" to one that is a real whopper: where he says "Obama guards these more zealously than Saddam did his nuclear secrets." Saddam had no nuclear weapons, and said so. Bush said he was lying, and invaded. The invasion created the opportunity to expose the nuclear weapons and prove Bush was a hero, but none were ever found and the world knows Saddam was telling the truth, and Bush was lying. Surely Cashill wouldn't want to suggest that Obama is telling the the truth and he, Cashill, is lying? But that's exactly what his clumsy metaphor suggests.

    RE: Birther claims - snopes debunks the stuff you cite, and some you haven't cited yet. I suggest you read the following to spare yourself the bother of dredging up more of this stuff.

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/birthcertificate.asp
    http://www.snopes.com/ politics/obama/birthers/booklet.asp
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/kenyacert.asp
    ht tp://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/notbor n.asp
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/photos/kenyasign.asp
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/oba ma/birthers/ssn.asp
    http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/passport.asp
    http://www.snopes.com/politi cs/obama/muslim.asp

    I had thought they'd printed a copy of an Obama birth announcement in the local papers in Hawaii, I didn't see it this time. But it's just a short google search away: http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php. This source isn't neutral like snopes, it's clearly partisan.

     

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    Molly, Jul 30th, 2013 @ 11:54am

    The last time I checked I thought everything was Bushs fault.. hey, if they take it down, it don't exist right.

     

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    Martin1, Jul 30th, 2013 @ 3:46pm

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    But they ARE monitored. By the NSA!

     

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    Martin1, Jul 30th, 2013 @ 3:52pm

    The "presidnet" of the United States

    Obama is a lying, f*ing moslemic teleprompter messias!

    For what did he get the Nobel Price? For closing Guantanamo prison? Not!

    Be prepared! The crisis will come! Soon to a house very, very near yours.

     

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    Bella, Jul 30th, 2013 @ 5:57pm

    Well of course, you know they monitor absolutely everything like a hawk.

     

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    V, Jul 30th, 2013 @ 8:31pm

    Aldous Huxley and Orwell were both right

    The United States (and most of the co-called "free world") is becoming an amalgam of "Brave New World" and "1984".

     

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    Denise, Jul 30th, 2013 @ 10:11pm

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    lol funny and true he is a reneger

     

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    Allen, Jul 30th, 2013 @ 10:23pm

    oh ya, definately.. it's a brave new world for sure. It's changing by the day, just not sure if it's changing for the better of mankind or the worse, either way, we are on an unstoppable roller coaster with no slowing down in site.

     

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    Neo, Jul 31st, 2013 @ 11:52am

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    Actually, the election was in November 2008. His term started in January of 2009. Elections are every 4 years but the individual doesn't take office until January of the following year.

     

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    XXXXXXXXx, Jul 31st, 2013 @ 3:36pm

    It's back on the page FYI: http://change.gov/agenda/ethics_agenda/

    "Protect Whistleblowers: Often the best source of information about waste, fraud, and abuse in government is an existing government employee committed to public integrity and willing to speak out. Such acts of courage and patriotism, which can sometimes save lives and often save taxpayer dollars, should be encouraged rather than stifled. We need to empower federal employees as watchdogs of wrongdoing and partners in performance. Barack Obama will strengthen whistleblower laws to protect federal workers who expose waste, fraud, and abuse of authority in government. Obama will ensure that federal agencies expedite the process for reviewing whistleblower claims and whistleblowers have full access to courts and due process."

     

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    george kimball, Aug 1st, 2013 @ 9:48am

    evil pols

    Doesn't Barney Frank make your blood run cold?

     

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    Matt Love (profile), Aug 1st, 2013 @ 4:53pm

    Re: Reagan: Reagan was: Reagan was a: Reagan was a hater

    of course, if they won't tell the truth about Reagan on NPR, they surely won't tell the truth about him on the propaganda sources you consume - presumably Limbaugh, Fox, etc.

    http://fair.org/extra-online-articles/this-american-life-on-guatemalan-genocide/

     

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    Matt Love (profile), Aug 1st, 2013 @ 4:53pm

    Re: Reagan: Reagan was: Reagan was a: Reagan was a hater

    of course, if they won't tell the truth about Reagan on NPR, they surely won't tell the truth about him on the propaganda sources you consume - presumably Limbaugh, Fox, etc.

    http://fair.org/extra-online-articles/this-american-life-on-guatemalan-genocide/

     

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    Matthew Gibson, Aug 9th, 2013 @ 11:36am

    SHAME ON YOU

    I was a HUGE Obama fan up until this Snowden nonsense...now I'm starting to realize....THIS GUY IS WORSE THAN BUSH!!!!

    Obama is like EVERY politician! He is a LIAR.

     

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    Red Foreman, Oct 11th, 2013 @ 10:10am

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    Ignore that black man behind the curtin, the great and powerful Obama has spoken

     

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    hollroch, Dec 21st, 2013 @ 3:47pm

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    My head didnt go there. Ask yourself why yours did.

     

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    Pete Austin, Jan 6th, 2014 @ 7:20am

    Change.gov is now back up

     

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