FISA Order To Verizon Expires Today, No One Wants To Say If It's Being Renewed

from the because-it-is dept

The very first of the Ed Snowden leaks was a FISA court order to Verizon, ordering it to hand over information on every single phone call, on an "ongoing, daily basis." That order expired on July 19, 2013. Today. It quickly came out that the FISA court has been approving nearly identical orders every 90 days for about seven years, though the defenders of the program like to use that "it's only for 90 days" excuse to suggest there's "oversight." Still, given that the existence of this effort is now actually public, plenty of people are wondering whether or not the FISA court issued the expected followup. Of course, no one who knows wants to say anything.
The Obama administration is refusing to say whether it will seek to renew a court order that permits the National Security Agency's bulk collection of phone records on millions of Verizon customers when it expires at the end of this week.

Officials declined to discuss what action they intend to take about the order at the center of the current surveillance scandal, which formally expires at 5pm Friday.
That's because it's almost certain that it's already been renewed and rubber stamped by the FISA court. The White House told Guardian reporters to ask the Justice Department. Guess where that went:
The White House referred queries to the Justice Department. "We have no announcement at this time," said Justice Department spokesman Brian Fallon. The NSA and office of the Director of National Intelligence did not respond to questions.

A spokesman for the Fisa court, Sheldon Snook, said the court "respectfully declines to comment".
In other words: please, please, go away and can we hope this story dies down by the time the next 90-day window rolls around?

Thankfully, some members of Congress have told the White House not to seek a renewal, but it seems unlikely that the White House will do anything, other than keep on sucking up all that data.


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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 19th, 2013 @ 10:45am

    Get back to work, Proles!

    Sincerely,
    Big Brother and the Inner Party

     

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    Akari Mizunashi (profile), Jul 19th, 2013 @ 10:57am

    "Court" order?

    I wonder who wears the jester outfit.

     

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    out_of_the_blue, Jul 19th, 2013 @ 10:58am

    "some members of Congress have told the White House"

    You are again imagining (or pretending to imagine) divisions within The Establishment when none actually exist. The most that "some members of Congress" do is make noises trying to create the illusion of opposition. Elitist Ivy League grads are particularly apt to fall for this scam: as supposed "Insiders" they regard themselves as having influence in DC, but at best are only wrangling for larger portions of the spoils. Rest of us are little fooled by this -- can't even call it theater, it's at best a puppet show.

     

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    Ninja (profile), Jul 19th, 2013 @ 11:04am

    Even if they renew it'll be a secret order based on secret interpretations right? So nobody will ever know unless other Snowdens pop up. Pathetic.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 19th, 2013 @ 11:08am

    Re: "some members of Congress have told the White House"

    So you think that all 535 members of Congress are in lockstep with the White House on every issue, and only pretend to disagree?

    I can buy that for some members. But not all of them.

     

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    Michael, Jul 19th, 2013 @ 11:12am

    Re: Re: "some members of Congress have told the White House"

    It's pretty reasonable that some portion of them died years ago and the White House replaced them with robots.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 19th, 2013 @ 11:18am

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    Everyone! The US Government is being run like an asshat wearing a clowncar full of self-righteous morons.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 19th, 2013 @ 11:21am

    The Government: "We have no announcement at this time," said Justice Department spokesman Brian Fallon.

    The FISA Court: Sheldon Snook, said the court "respectfully declines to comment".

    In other words, it was renewed and they don't wish to reveal that they did. When someone doesn't respond, it means that they have something to hide. If they didn't have something to hide, they would answer.

    Looks like the Verizon order was renewed.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 19th, 2013 @ 11:46am

    I agree with #8 that in all probability it has been renewed. It has been the standard to stonewall and attempt to prevent any info on what is being done anytime something might make them look bad. This fills that bill to a tee.

     

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    Vidiot (profile), Jul 19th, 2013 @ 11:57am

    No respect

    I don't buy the "respectfully" jazz... I'm thinking "contemptuously".

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 19th, 2013 @ 12:00pm

    it's no good telling the White House, the person behind the White House is the one that needs to be told. Obama is basically the oil rag, whoever is pulling his chain is the engineer. he's the one (and his cohorts!)that needs tyo be told and reined in, before the country goes so far down this ridiculous path of destruction that it cant get back!!

     

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    nbcart (profile), Jul 19th, 2013 @ 1:08pm

    If the FISA order is not renewed how would Verizon replace the significant revenue stream they receive for being a "partner" in all of this?

     

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    Markus Hopkins (profile), Jul 19th, 2013 @ 2:46pm

    Update - Renewal Declassified

     

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    JeffR, Jul 19th, 2013 @ 3:37pm

    They renewed it and announced that it was renenwed

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 20th, 2013 @ 5:24pm

    Re:

    haha

     

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