Bolivian President's Jet Rerouted On Suspicions Snowden Could Be On Board; Multi-Country Outrage Ensues

from the we-are-all-Bolivians dept

The Snowden saga continues to deliver surprising twists and turns that may well have important geopolitical knock-on effects. The latest involves the President of Bolivia, Evo Morales, whose country is rumored to be willing to offer political asylum to Snowden. Here's what happened, as reported by The Guardian:

Bolivia reacted with fury after a plane carrying the country's president home from Russia was diverted to Vienna amid suspicions that it was carrying the surveillance whistleblower, Edward Snowden.

France and Portugal were accused of withdrawing permission for the plane, carrying the president, Evo Morales, from energy talks in Moscow, to pass through their airspace.
Both Bolivia and Austria deny that Snowden is on board, but no one has been allowed to check. Since being forced to land in Vienna, Morales has now been given permission by France and Portugal to overfly their territory, but not by Spain, which had also refused. The simultaneous revocation of permission to pass over these countries looks rather suspicious. The Bolivian defense minister, Ruben Saavedra, who was on the flight, has no doubts about who is behind it:
"This is a hostile act by the United States State Department which has used various European governments."
The Bolivian Vice-President said they had been "kidnapped by imperialism" in Europe. That framing has now been taken up by other South American governments, who have expressed their outrage at the insult to Bolivia and hence their region. As The Guardian reports in an update on the Bolivian story:
Argentinian president Cristina Kirchner has tweeted that she has been advised that Peruvian president Ollanta Humala will call a meeting of the Union of South American Nations [UNASUR] to discuss ongoing events.
And -- ironically -- Ecuador has re-entered the story after trying to distance itself from Snowden:
Rafael Correa, the president of Ecuador, has also railed against what he called an "affront to our America," and called on his fellow South American presidents to "take action".

Posting on Twitter, Correa wrote: "Decisive hours for UNASUR! Either we graduated from the colonies, or we claim our independence, sovereignty and dignity. We are all Bolivia!"
There is clearly a lot of political grandstanding and opportunism here. But there seems no doubt that this latest development will sour relationships between the US and South American nations, at least for a while. Spain and Portugal also come out of this badly, and are likely to lose influence among their former South American colonies. This latest incident shows once again the impact of Snowden's actions, which continue to cause major ripples throughout the entire diplomatic world.

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 3rd, 2013 @ 1:40am

    nice to see all european leaders are spineless puppets, not just ours.

     

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    ReallyEvilCanine, Jul 3rd, 2013 @ 3:01am

    Re: spineless

    How's that legal right to privacy in the US serving you, Sparky?

    The US has the ability -- and has shown the propensity -- to unilaterally exert its will regardless of legality, let alone the opinion of any other actor involved.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 3rd, 2013 @ 3:01am

    this shows how scared the EU is of the USA. the UK had already forbidden any airline to take Snowden to the UK. to me, this shows that there is some 'playing both ends towards the middle, with the UK being a member of the EU but doing what the USA says. i can only assume that information from the spying of EU ministers etc that the USA was doing was passed to the UK, so being aware of what was going to happen, be said, in various negotiations would have been quite advantageous

     

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    qw, Jul 3rd, 2013 @ 3:04am

    Imagine...

    Imagine for one minute that Air Force One was forced to land in Uzbekistan because of a minor tiff involving unrelated foreign governments in a different continent. Can you imagine how quickly that would ratchet up, if President Obama, or any other US president, found himself was stuck in an airport in a country he never intended to visit?

    Bolivia might not be a big or a perfect country, and it might not have a big or a perfect president. But when you start disrespecting sovereignty over intelligence community squabbles you are risking serious escalation.

    And you're putting the American people at far more risk than Snowden did, whatever his motives.

     

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    ReallyEvilCanine, Jul 3rd, 2013 @ 3:10am

    The US can act with impunity

    Obama can say that he won't scramble any jets but the President's record on honesty is... specious, at best. If he paused with an "ummm" or "ehhh" before stating it, he was outright lying; if he said that and clarified quickly and clearly, he was "stretching the truth", meaning that he wouldn't scramble any fighters, but that doesn't exclude any actions from what the US has up in the sky already, aided by AWACS eyes and KC-135 tankers.

    The US has an effective lock over the entire Atlantic airspace; no one crosses if the US decides not to allow it, and any aircraft can be forcefully diverted. So of course the EU is shit-scared; the EU gave up its military sovereignty through NATO back in the 1980s.

    The safest way for Snowden to get across is inside a fitted-out 40' container buried down at the bottom of a centre stack on a Maersk or CSCL ship. And that would require too many people to remain silent for it to succeed.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 3rd, 2013 @ 3:32am

    I haven't found anything in the news about who in France, Portugal and Spain made these decisions.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 3rd, 2013 @ 3:40am

    Also, the Bolivian President will be surprised to find out that the name of his plane is now "Snowden suspicion jet", according to BBC News headlines.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 3rd, 2013 @ 3:48am

    Pardon me in advance. I have got ot hand it to President Obama. Here is a man who has got some of the biggest balls on the face of this planet that he's willing to create an international incident with the president of an another country.

    Good God. Not even under Republicans, nor even under President Bush, did the leader of our country ever have the balls to start an international incident with another country.

    Has Obama totally flipped the script.?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 3rd, 2013 @ 3:52am

    What has done more to hurt the United States in the world?

    A) A guy telling the truth about the US illegal global spying
    B) Other countries acting like a douche on behalf of the US

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 3rd, 2013 @ 4:08am

    Hats off to Snowden. He alone has done more to stick it to the Washingtonian hate bastards and their program of world domination than anyone else.

     

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    ethorad (profile), Jul 3rd, 2013 @ 4:18am

    Re:

    Saying that Snowden is forbidden from landing in the UK is quite different to saying he can't even overfly UK airspace.

    After all, if the aircraft is currently in Austria - a landlocked country - it can essentially be grounded by other countries.

    To my mind, overflight permission for non-military flights should only be denied in carefully controlled circumstances.

     

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    Joe Dirt, Jul 3rd, 2013 @ 4:35am

    Re:

    Good God. Not even under Republicans, nor even under President Bush, did the leader of our country ever have the balls to start an international incident with another country.

    Now I'm no fan of the current administration, but really??

    Have you ever heard of Iraq? I think that qualifies as an "international incident". Hell we were going to go it alone there. Bush had his fun and now it's Obama's turn.

    American politics offer 2 sides of the same coin. The only difference seems to be foreign policy which is either - A.)Force everyone to be like us(Republican), whether they want to or not, or B.)All talk and no action(Democrat), implying we have no spine. (a current example would be the "red line" that keeps moving in Syria, w/respect to chemical weapons).

    Either way, we look weak and childish, like the block bully too dumb to get the nuances of mature communication, so we just beat anyone up that sounds like they are making fun of us.

     

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    Mr. Applegate, Jul 3rd, 2013 @ 4:48am

    "This latest incident shows once again the impact of Snowden's actions, which continue to cause major ripples throughout the entire diplomatic world."
    This latest incident shows once again the impact of the bumbling U.S. Government has had since Snowden's actions, which continue to cause major ripples throughout the entire diplomatic world.

    FTFY

    Seriously, Obama's (and the entire U.S. Government's) handling of the leaked documents have done nothing but make things worse. They are obviously lying to the American people and the rest of the world. Any credibility the U.S. Government had is quickly being flushed down the toilet.

    Oh and bravo Mr. President for giving the rest of the world a license to spy, not only on the U.S. Government, but U.S. Corporations and citizens as well.

    Very well played! /sarcasm

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 3rd, 2013 @ 4:57am

    Who would have thought Snowden would be the start of the fall of the US of A. Well, at least, let's hope.

     

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    The Real Michael, Jul 3rd, 2013 @ 5:19am

    Not to defend the actions of the US/EU here, just making an observation. Had it been a civilian aboard that plane instead of a president, do you really think there would be an uproar?

    Last I checked, this world is not the property of the US government. In their obsessive-compulsive quest for vengeance against Snowden, this government is acting rogue, like a big bully. The guy's gone, GET OVER IT ALREADY.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 3rd, 2013 @ 5:36am

    Re: Imagine...

    If that was tried, the US would simply launch fighter jets from at the closest military base or aircraft carrier to escort Air Force One wherever it needed to go making stopping the attempt to divert the flight. Bolivia doesn't have military bases and aircraft carriers with fighter jets positioned all over the world, so they don't have that option. All they can do is get mad and complain.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 3rd, 2013 @ 5:38am

    Re:

    Where have you been - under a rock?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 3rd, 2013 @ 5:40am

    Wow - Keystone Cops Global Division

    This could be the sequel to Team America

     

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    Steve R. (profile), Jul 3rd, 2013 @ 6:00am

    Obama's "Restoration" of US Stature on the World Stage

    The Obama sycophants sing the praises of Obama "restoring" US stature after blame Bush. Seems that they need to apply some critical thinking skills to re-assess their messiah.

    Obama asserts to have an open and transparent administration. It would seem that Manning an Snowden are complying with that philosophy.

    Also since this is the day before July 4, don't forget that the founding fathers; from the perspective of the British, were considered to be lawbreakers, traitors, and revolutionaries.

     

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    quawonk, Jul 3rd, 2013 @ 6:02am

    If someone pulled a stunt like this against Air Force One it'd probably start World War III.

     

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    Steve R. (profile), Jul 3rd, 2013 @ 6:13am

    US Arrogance

    In the name of protecting itself, the US is violating the sovereignty of foreign nations.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 3rd, 2013 @ 6:16am

    Diplomatic Ethics

    You want to overfly with an illegally kidnapped person to render him to a black site in a country where he can be tortured?
    By all means sir - would you like fuel with that?

    You want to overfly when there is a possibility that you are carrying someone who told the truth and embarrassed the US government?
    Sorry, sir, that's more than my job's worth.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 3rd, 2013 @ 6:26am

    Obama adopting Bloomberg's Stop and Frisk program for the entire world?

     

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    The Real Michael, Jul 3rd, 2013 @ 7:01am

    Re: US Arrogance

    But that's just the thing: the government is NOT protecting itself. It's only hurting its image. The leaks about the NSA were more about undermining our rights than any 'national security' dilemma. Apparently the government has nothing better to do with their time than chase down a friggin' whistle-blower. This all seems like an elaborate distraction.

     

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    Steve R. (profile), Jul 3rd, 2013 @ 7:51am

    Re: Re: US Arrogance

    Benghazi, being what we need to be distracted from?

    The Obama administration has been fanning the flames of fear and paranoia claiming the US is under "attack". Snowden simply exposed (open secret) that the US itself is "attacking".

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 3rd, 2013 @ 7:52am

    Re: Re: Imagine...

    Or secretly fund 3 pilots to crash into buildings...

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 3rd, 2013 @ 8:57am

    Digging out moles

    I suspect this was a counter-intelligence measure by Russia and/or Bolivia. They probably shared this false info to suspected US agents, or through a medium they suspected the US of eavesdropping. The US, by pulling this stunt, probably committed the same offense they accuse Snowden of: exposing our spying methods.

     

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    sorrykb (profile), Jul 3rd, 2013 @ 9:12am

    Re:

    Not even under Republicans, nor even under President Bush, did the leader of our country ever have the balls to start an international incident with another country.

    Well, there were those two invasions of other countries.
    ...
    I do get where you're coming from -- This interference with a foreign leader's travel (plus searching the plane, which now apparently has happened) is outrageous and runs counter to all sorts of rules of diplomacy (and likely runs afoul of international conventions).

     

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    Talks like ACLU but walks like Dick Cheny, Jul 3rd, 2013 @ 9:27am

    http://www.salon.com/2013/07/03/americas_imperial_decline_must_dick_cheney_always_be_president/

    [ ...] There is no sign that the president is less than fully committed to an imperial presidency and to surveillance and espionage practices that exceed the Constitution and international law. A Turkish professor put it this way in a conversation with the Financial Times the other day: “He talks like the head of the American Civil Liberties Union, but he acts like Dick Cheney.” [...]

     

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    hopponit (profile), Jul 5th, 2013 @ 2:11am

    Snowden

    Are they really that clueless and incompetent? What is in these files that has both the Dems. and the Reps. going bats---t crazy. What have they been doing that's so bad that they don't want the American citizens to learn? The more they do the worse it looks on them.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 5th, 2013 @ 11:37am

    Re:

    The UK is the US dagger at Europe's back.

    It appears to be a role they are happy with.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 5th, 2013 @ 10:29pm

    Snowden isn't real...

     

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    That Anonymous Coward (profile), Jul 6th, 2013 @ 8:30pm

    I'd just like to point out they didn't pull this plane out of a hat and decide to stop it. They had 'intelligence' placing him there.

    They can't verify the location of who appears to be the most wanted man in the US. Maybe it is time to seriously look beyond whatever Mr Snowden has and question how the fuck they failed to track a single person who is limited to moving inside an airport. PRISM and all of the other programs are just fluff and cover to keep budgets big and give good soundbite. They failed to keep track of 1 man they knew, how the fuck can they deal with the firehose of information they just had to have to keep us safe?

     

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