Adobe's New Subscription Service Goes Live And Is Cracked In Less Than 24 Hours

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Adobe's products are widely acknowledged to be some of the most pirated software in the world. Not that Adobe has done much to prevent this sort of behavior. True, it has (with the BSA's aid and blessing) "raided" infringing companies and extracted license fees. But it's done nothing at all to make its software more appealing to prospective purchasers. The prices are still astronomical (even more so in many foreign countries) and its steadfast adherence to planned obsolescence means those paying the exorbitant asking price may find themselves with incompatible software a few years down the road.

In an effort to combat piracy and lower the admission fee, Adobe has launched a subscription-only platform called Creative Cloud which gives subscribers access to Photoshop, Illustrator, Indesign, Dreamweaver and Fireworks for $30-50/month.

In what will come as a surprise to roughly no one, Creative Cloud has already been cracked.
Adobe latest product, the subscription based suite Creative Cloud is cracked and available on torrent sites one day after its release. The torrent is posted on torrent sites such as the Piratebay and is nearly 1.4 GB big. It was posted by an apparently Chinese user. Comments on the torrent report that the software can be installed and works.
Adobe claims the software will work for 99 days without an internet verification (although the Cloud phones home once a month) before becoming inoperable. It also requires an internet connection during install, but blocking Adobe's access post-install and applying the crack seems to do the trick.

You have to wonder how much was invested in building a DRM scheme that managed to hold out for almost 24 hours. You also have to wonder if this result, combined with any issues the phone-home system may cause for paying users down the road, have had any effect on Adobe's future DRM plans. If this crack works, it's like having no DRM at all, which would definitely be a cheaper route to take during development. Any hopes that a dip in piracy would result in a corresponding sales bump have effectively been scuttled.

At this point, pushing forward with DRM would take the company toward SimCity-esque levels of customer antipathy. Server side-only saves, anyone? Grayed-out menu selections and tools that only work when the software is in touch with headquarters? Accepting the inevitable would save Adobe money, time and aggravation. Or maybe, deep down, Adobe doesn't care. This cracked software is building them a future customer base that will be addicted to its software because they got their first hit for free.


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    Ninja (profile), Jun 26th, 2013 @ 3:42am

    I've installed a cracked CS6 pack (only the graphic design part consisting in PhotoShop, Illustrator and Indesign) for a student that's attending a course in the area. There was CorelDraw if memory serves and a few other software that slips my mind at the moment.

    From the financial point of view she would not even be able to pay the $30 dollars per month. She uses the neighbors open wireless connection as she can't pay for her own after rental, basic survival and college expenses are paid. She pays them alone.

    Now suppose Adobe doesn't care about those poor souls pirating the thing out of their sheer benevolence. When this girl graduates and starts putting her skills to fruition she'd need a copy. There's an option that seems to encompass her needs for 75 USD per month. That's a shitload of money for our country wages. We'd have 170 BRL considering the average wages for a designer starting their career hovers around the 2500 BRL or nearly 1000 USD (BRL = Brazilian Reais and USD = US dollars). And I'm not talking about other software she might need. It's not payable. The only alternative is piracy.

    Imagine those who use occasionally for some random, personal endeavors?

    The subscription version is actually much more expensive in the long run if you consider the CS4 pack is still pretty much usable these days. When Adobe stops acting like morons and charge non-extortive prices I'm sure piracy will slow down. How about $2-3 per month per product? Maybe even I who rarely use their products would sign in every once in a while to edit my stuff.

     

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    RXT (profile), Jun 26th, 2013 @ 4:59am

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    Google for CS2 download, and you can download the CS2 version. Sadly that is Windows only, as the Mac version is of the "classic" type, and won't run under 10.6+. For me CS2 does all I need, Photoshop and Illustrator. CS4 has some nice features and CS6 as well, but it's no must. Maybe students and professionals need the last version, the rest probably not.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 26th, 2013 @ 5:08am

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    You touched on something I have said for years. Adobe software is the defacto industry standard partially BECAUSE of piracy and Adobe knows this. There are many other cheaper titles that can be used often to accomplish the same tasks but no one in the industry uses them and there really no demand for people familiar with them. The fees Adobe charges are a drop in the bucket for large businesses that rely on their software but small time freelancers and students cannot afford to pay the licensing fees for an official copy of their software but still have to use the software to acquire the desired skills and work with others in the industry. If piracy were not an option, Adobe could not maintain the high fee structure simply because the new talent coming into the market would simply switch to something they could afford and those products would then become the industry standard.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 26th, 2013 @ 5:10am

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    Hell for PhotoShop PS6 has all of the functionality most people need.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 26th, 2013 @ 5:13am

    On the similarity of Adobe users to gamers

    Just as EA, Sony, Microsoft, etc., repeatedly punish their best customers, Adobe does the same to theirs. And yet they COME BACK.

    Oh, I know, I've heard the whining: "But but BUT there isn't anything else."

    Bullshit. If you spent 1/10 the time you spend whining on actually learning then you would be getting productive work done using FLOSS, you would be paying $0 to these idiots, you would no longer have to put up with their crap, and you would solve this problem permanently.

    Anyone sticking with Adobe deserves to be fleeced, to lose all their work, to be screwed by their DRM. Why? Because they're begging for it.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 26th, 2013 @ 5:17am

    The initial deal is $29.99 per month for a year and there are ongoing student discounts available.
    The package works if you need all the software and want to stay current with the automatic upgrades.
    Plus, you can discontinue the subscription temporarily and pick it up later with no penalty. (The software stays on your computer, it just wont open until you renew...)
    There's also a $19.99 per-month deal for any ONE product PhotoShop/DreamWeaver/InDesign/etc with automatic upgrades...

     

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    Pragmatic, Jun 26th, 2013 @ 5:25am

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    Use GIMP, Kompozer and Inkscape instead. They're all free and less clunky than Adobe.

     

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    Ninja (profile), Jun 26th, 2013 @ 5:37am

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    Yeah, GIMP comes to mind. I do think Photoshop has good functionality but it does not justify the prices.

     

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    drewmerc (profile), Jun 26th, 2013 @ 5:45am

    the CS6 and the CC crack are exactly the same, interchangeable even, so 24hours to crack is not looking that good

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 26th, 2013 @ 5:47am

    I have been trying to get my SO to get off of Adobe Photoshop for a while now. GIMP loads faster and does just about anything you could possibly want for anyone that hasn't spent ages mastering the power tools of Photoshop, which my SO hasn't.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 26th, 2013 @ 5:49am

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    WTF? How is GIMP less clunky than PS? I've tried GIMP. I wasn't impressed. It was very frustrating to try to use and what is up with the separate window on the taskbar for every palette you have open? Just looks sloppy to me.

     

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    reboog711 (profile), Jun 26th, 2013 @ 5:57am

    Creative Cloud Was Released over a year ago

    There is an error in this article's title. Adobe has been selling their Creative Cloud Subscription service for over a year. It was announced in 2011 and went live in the first half of 2012.

    Adobe did release a major update to their major products; so you are probably referring to 24 hours after the release of that update; not 24 hours after the release of the subscription service.

    The Creative cloud Subscription includes some services; such as a dropbox like file sharing utility and integration with Behance a platform for sharing work. I assume such services are not easily 'crackable' due to their nature.

    But, I'm not the least bit surprised that the desktop software was cracked, though.

    [Disclaimer: I am an Adobe Community Professional http://www.adobe.com/communities/professionals/ ]

     

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    reboog711 (profile), Jun 26th, 2013 @ 6:00am

    Just Subscribing

    I'm just subscribing to comments

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 26th, 2013 @ 6:12am

    Re: Re: Re:

    Latest GIMP has a single window mode. With a dual screen setup the separate window is useful, as the Image can go on the best screen, and too window on the other.

     

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    Akari Mizunashi (profile), Jun 26th, 2013 @ 6:13am

    If you are a customer, don't you ever lose that key and make damn sure your email address is always up to date (to access your software "licenses").

    If you can't access your "licenses", Adobe treats you as a pirate first, customer second, and you will have to pay full price to restore your previous lost information despite owning the software (now locked out).

    I despise Adobe, but my company will not use anything else, even with all the alternatives presented.

    Because in the corporate world, licenses must be on file or risk being sued and I've yet to see too many businesses embrace open source software because they see "virus", not cost-effective solutions.

     

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    Alan Ralph (profile), Jun 26th, 2013 @ 6:17am

    Free, but stuck in time

    First off, full disclosure, I'm a paying Creative Cloud subscriber, and have been using it since it launched in May last year.

    The big potential drawback that I can see with installing a cracked version of the Creative Cloud apps is that you won't be able to get any updates to your product, and importantly you won't get any upgraded functionality that comes down the pike to paying Creative Cloud users. Unlike with previous Creative Suites, there won't be updates available via the Adobe website, they will only come down through the Creative Cloud client software - which means going online and being checked to see if you're a subscriber. And contrary to what has happened in the past, Adobe are actually releasing new features for Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, etc. much more frequently, since they're no longer constrained by having to hit a release date for an entire new version and consequently pushing back features that aren't ready yet.

    The other thing you'll miss out on with the pirated copy is access to the extra features of Creative Cloud - the 20GB of file storage, integration with Behance, the free ProSite portfolio, Business Catalyst, TypeKit, etc. - because again, that will require connecting to Creative Cloud.

    As time goes by, I expect that the gap between what owners of the pirated software get and what paying subscribers get is going to get a lot wider - unlike some of the naysayers I've heard complaining about Adobe having no incentive to improve their software, I've actually used it, and see no evidence to back up that claim - quite the opposite!

    One thing I will say against Creative Cloud - and Adobe's pricing generally - is that they are still charging a lot more to people outside of the USA, and really need to be more transparent about why this is so. They've already caught heat for this in Australia, and I'd be very surprised if the EU doesn't start looking into this at some point. This has been going on for way too long - I went to New York in 2007 and picked up a copy of CS3 whilst I was there because it was so much cheaper than the UK version. At the very least, they should consider making the discounted prices for the first year of Creative Cloud permanent - I don't think that is going to hurt their bottom line in the slightest, and might actually boost it.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 26th, 2013 @ 6:18am

    Re: Re: Re:

    Gimp single window mode for Gimp 2.8.x

    Go to:
    Windows -> Single-Window Mode.

    Gimp is very powerful, it can do almost everything Photoshop can with the exception maybe of the light photon trajectory calculations that Photoshop can do and its used to enhance photos taken, everything else Gimp can do it too, is just that is not as automated as Photoshop and have a different layout.

     

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    out_of_the_blue, Jun 26th, 2013 @ 6:27am

    DRM like locks on doors to state clearly: PRIVATE PROPERTY.

    Just because both can be broken doesn't prove shouldn't be used. You're making a straw-man -- that DRM is claimed to be 100% effective -- and then make a non-sequitur leap to" "Ha, take that, property owner! Pirates rule! Theft of a cracked program is legal and good!" -- Yeah, you are, in short. This is just Techdirt cheering piracy.

    And in any case, PIRATES CAUSE DRM, not honest people.


    Take a loopy tour of Techdirt.com! You always end up same place!
    http://techdirt.com/
    Where "I'm a pirate! You can't stop me!" is one of the more thoughtful fanboy positions.
    02:26:45[c-677-0]

     

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    Coogan (profile), Jun 26th, 2013 @ 6:27am

    Adobe got tired of Photoshop and their other graphics apps being pirated so they install DRM and put everything on the cloud. The DRM was cracked and the apps on the Pirate Bay in less than 24 hours.

    Sounds like they drew the wrong conclusions.

    YEEEEEAAAAAAHHH!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 26th, 2013 @ 6:35am

    Re: DRM like locks on doors to state clearly: PRIVATE PROPERTY.

    "And in any case, PIRATES CAUSE DRM, not honest people."

    Stupid executives cause DRM, I don't disagree that they're not dishonest though.

     

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    reboog711 (profile), Jun 26th, 2013 @ 6:40am

    You've drawn the wrong conclusions

    You've drawn the wrong conclusions; perhaps because Adobe poorly named their subscription service.

    The version of Photoshop available in Creative Cloud is a desktop application, just like the old versions of Photoshop. Photoshop was not "put in the cloud".

    Creative Cloud is primarily just a different way for Adobe to sell their desktop / creative suite products.

     

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    alex, Jun 26th, 2013 @ 6:43am

    Re: DRM like locks on doors to state clearly: PRIVATE PROPERTY.

    I agree with this sentiment. Companies can't win with this logic:

    Strong DRM = Bad
    Weak DRM = Pointless
    No DRM = Good. You can always sell T-shirts.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 26th, 2013 @ 6:44am

    Re: DRM like locks on doors to state clearly: PRIVATE PROPERTY.

    DRM, or rather, DRM anti circumvention rules, are evil.

    Because of those rules, chip manufacturers (NVIDIA, AMD) don't release full specifications for their in-chip media decoding capabilities. You see, apparently that could expose them to lawsuits, because they would, technically, be giving you the ability to "break" DRM.

    And thanks to that, you can't have proper media decoding in open-source drivers. You have a kludge of reverse-engineered code that "sort of" works.

    Thanks a lot Hollywood. Because of your paranoia, I have to pollute my system with binary blobs - and trust that those blobs wont wreck my system - just so I have a decent video experience.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 26th, 2013 @ 6:50am

    Re: Re: Re:

    Annnnd there's the whining, right on cue. You know what? Fine. Don't use Gimp. Give Adobe another $2K, $4K, whatever, so that they can continue to make you suffer.

    And be sure to ignore all the other FLOSS out there, even though there are all kinds of tools that do all kinds of tasks, even though they're constantly improving (with the help of developers AND users), even though they run on just about anything, even though they...oh, never mind. You already have.

    Your masters at Adobe approve of your conduct, slave.

     

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    alex (profile), Jun 26th, 2013 @ 6:54am

    "(even more so in many foreign countries)"

    Just to clarify what this means - customers in Germany are being charged the equivalent of $80 per month as opposed to customers in the US paying $50.

    I don't really have any issues with them using DRM to be honest, but their international pricing is a joke.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 26th, 2013 @ 7:00am

    Re: DRM like locks on doors to state clearly: PRIVATE PROPERTY.

    Private property?

    Not quite the same thing.

     

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    Zakida Paul (profile), Jun 26th, 2013 @ 7:05am

    Be honest

    Who didn't see this coming?

     

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    dd, Jun 26th, 2013 @ 7:08am

    Response to: Anonymous Coward on Jun 26th, 2013 @ 5:47am

    Really? There's a tool as quick and easy as the new select in CS6?

    I love the gimp, but for making money, even (especially ) basic use is much much faster in photoshop.

     

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    Niall (profile), Jun 26th, 2013 @ 7:23am

    Re:

    Ouch, that's a *lot* of money just to rent software - especially as the prices jack up a lot if you don't take an 'annual commitment'.

    Probably fine for serious developers, but expensive for casual ones.

    They would need some serious fringe benefits to make that worthwhile.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 26th, 2013 @ 7:36am

    Re: Re: DRM like locks on doors to state clearly: PRIVATE PROPERTY.

    There is a little fault in your logic. Take the case of the woman who used 50% of her company's profits (https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130318/17590622369/indie-film-distributor-spends-half-her-profi ts-sending-dmca-takedowns-is-it-worth-it.shtml). Obviously just fighting piracy to fight piracy isn't always a winning battle. Having DRM just to have DRM isn't always profitable.

    There are other ways to fight piracy. Take for example putting out a software where people pay you (except pirates) to use that they actually like. You open up the communication and say "hey, we'll fix problem you want fixed if you sign a 2 year contract, pay us some money for it, or just are willing to buy a private version for companies willing to do that". Of course use a NDA and have specific version number or tacking method for each customer so you can track who leaks something if it leaks. It's not DRM, just a tracking/liability for breaking an NDA. You collect money, develop new stuff and privatitize the new version to paying customers.

    You still have a good product people like in the public (that is pirated/cheaper for students or something), but you're also giving people a reason to pay you.

    Then after 6 months or a year, release the private version to the public to get even more money for it....


    See you can profit with a good product without DRM....

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 26th, 2013 @ 7:37am

    Re: Response to: Anonymous Coward on Jun 26th, 2013 @ 5:47am

    If you are a professional in the field I say sure, but a $40 screwdriver from a fancy company.

    If you are building a table and will probably let the screwdriver rust to death then go to harbor freight.

     

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    Pragmatic, Jun 26th, 2013 @ 7:59am

    Re: Re: Re:

    I close the third window so the only ones I have up are the one I'm doing the work in and the separate toolbar with all the tools on.

    Try doing that, and see what happens. Good luck.

    I find that when you zoom in 400%, you can work pixel by pixel. It's fiddly to work with Photoshop in that way, I tried to when I was in college.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 26th, 2013 @ 7:59am

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    That's not whining. I said that there are alternatives that are adequate for accomplishing the tasks at hand. I'm not against using whatever tools you are most comfortable with. However, in the professional industry, if you do not know how to use the software everyone else is using you much less marketable and the only way you get those skills is by using that particular software. Adobe knows this and that is why their DRM attempts are (and always have been) pretty weak. For instance, for a VERY long time, the entire installation directory for PhotoShop (at least on Windows) was capable of being burned onto a CD and then launched and run on another system directly from the CD. They are able to command the licensing that they do from businesses that are happy to pay more for a suite that is standard, powerful, and highly integrated. But the only way they can command that price is if they can remain the industry standard and they can only do that if the software is what all the new talent coming into the market are using. That new talent doesn't have the money even if they have the skills. That is the model they are using even if they won't openly admit it and it works. That is not a dis to other titles and suites produced by other companies.

    Maybe GIMP has greatly improved since I last tried to use it. I was simply stating that I didn't like it when I did. I was simply stating that from my experience with GIMP (which wasn't THAT long ago) the claim that it was less clunky than PS seemed very backwards.

    Furthermore, I don't think Adobe is stupid enough to allow themselves to have an EA or RIM moment. They have to put on the "PIRACY IS BAD, m'kay?" face publicly because it's expected of them in the business world. But deep down they actually know that it helps them stay on top.

     

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    Pragmatic, Jun 26th, 2013 @ 8:03am

    Re: DRM like locks on doors to state clearly: PRIVATE PROPERTY.

    Cathy,

    private property is transferable and reducible. "Intellectual property" is not. Your argument is invalid.

    Asserting property rights over creative output causes more problems than it solves. That is a proven fact, however much you rave about it, crazy copyright lady.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 26th, 2013 @ 8:04am

    Re: DRM like locks on doors to state clearly: PRIVATE PROPERTY.

    Public property have locks on doors/gates for when they need to close for a multitude of reasons.

    If I have a house and have no locks on any of my doors it doesn't automatically become zoned as public property that people can just come and go as they please.

    Where exactly do you come up with these screwed up ideas?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 26th, 2013 @ 8:12am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    The CC is just a change in marketing strategy is all. Instead of asking a company to pay a huge lump sum and then a lesser but still large sum periodically for upgrades, they are changing the strategy to make it a regular subscription so you pay continuously month after month. The software still runs locally (and has to to be reliable) and doesn't need an network connection to do anything except share files to and from their cloud storage service, upgrade itself, and periodically check the licensing. Other than the addition of the cloud storage service functionality, their software has worked the same way for a very long time from a functionality perspective.

     

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    PRMan, Jun 26th, 2013 @ 8:28am

    Re: DRM like locks on doors to state clearly: PRIVATE PROPERTY.

    You actually think that Microsoft wouldn't be trying to kill the used game market anyway if there was no piracy?

    DRM is not always used to stop piracy. Often it's just a way for the greedy to be even more ridiculously greedy.

     

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    jupiterkansas (profile), Jun 26th, 2013 @ 8:30am

    I work in Indesign all day long (when I'm not reading TechDirt!) but I wouldn't have my job if it weren't for pirated software. There wouldn't have been any way to gain the skills I needed to use it professionally. Today I'm a paying customer.

    What I don't understand is why Abode doesn't simply release old versions of their software for free. That would stave off most of the piracy, let people get accustomed to their software, and build a legitimate audience for the latest products. They could also get contact info and other useful marketing data that they don't get from pirates. It's not like they've ever been successful at preventing people from getting their stuff.

     

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    Jeffry Houser (profile), Jun 26th, 2013 @ 8:35am

    Re: Re:

    The $50 Subscription is for the "Full" creative suite which includes a lot of software.

    A single product, such as Photoshop is available at $20 a month.

    That said; I agree it is expensive for casual users; but probably a no-brainer for a professional user who makes their income off said tools.

     

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    Michael, Jun 26th, 2013 @ 8:40am

    Think of the poor developers

    Somewhere, right now, there is an Adobe developer sitting at his desk (assuming he still has one) looking at a memo telling him that his years of work on this DRM scheme failed after 24 hours.

    Here is a guy that probably told his boss that it was a bad idea when it started, but then put in tons of thought and effort to make something that would be effective. Instead, he is waiting to get his walking papers.

    The moral of the story: if you are a developer being told to add DRM to something, you are better off playing solitaire for a year and using a text file to store a password for your DRM plan.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 26th, 2013 @ 8:42am

    I long ago gave up and Adobe products. Doesn't seem they can secure their products and the software like their reader is one dependable line of access into your computer from malware. Voted least secure software for several years running.

    Then there is their penchant for data mining. Their software wants to connect every two or three days and phone home. It's sure not that they are upgrading that often or putting out tweeks. The last thing is that photoshop has become bloated beyond all necessity. It's certainly too expensive for the job it does.

    I've been using GIMP for maybe 4 years or better. It does everything that photoshop does for my needs. It actually gives you a choice about whether you want it's name in the Exif metadata, unlike photoshop. It's price is far more realistic.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 26th, 2013 @ 8:50am

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    But Adobe IS stupid. Look at the security track record for Acrobat, for example.

    That is, if you can stand to have your eyeballs bleed. It's hideous. It's one of the most appalling displays of incompetence in software you will ever see -- right up there with IE and Outlook. And it's ongoing. As in "Has there been a gaping security hole in Acrobat yet this month?" "No, but there will be. Count on it."

    The only reason people go for their products is that people go for their products. (Which is kinda your point, I think.) The sheep, bleating in their ignorance and cowardice, are afraid to even TRY something else. Or they try one thing (Gimp) and then whine because it's too much of a challenge. And so the herd continues to throw money at Adobe while simultaneously complaining about the cost and the terms and the unreliability and the and the and the.

    Install a spine. Dump Adobe. They're obsolete.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 26th, 2013 @ 9:08am

    I've never understood Adobe's pricing scheme. If they charged like $60-80 for Photoshop or Illustrator, anyone with any interest in them could go out and pick it up, piracy would drop, profits would skyrocket, everyone would win. Instead they act like they're doing you a favor by letting you pay $600 EVERY YEAR to access their software suite, of which many programs are going to be completely useless to a lot of their target demographic. Gee, I can't *imagine* why there's a lot of piracy going on there.

    Fucking rocket scientists, I tell ya.

     

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    John Fenderson (profile), Jun 26th, 2013 @ 9:33am

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    I was simply stating that from my experience with GIMP (which wasn't THAT long ago) the claim that it was less clunky than PS seemed very backwards.


    As one who has used both reasonably extensively, I would say they're both very awkward to use, and about equally so.

    While neither has an advantage in terms of usability, they're very different to use. Someone who is used to PS will have some difficulty learning the GIMP way, and vice versa.

     

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    vastrightwing, Jun 26th, 2013 @ 9:44am

    Bad Adobe

    Adobe has methodically bought all their major competition. They have bloated all their tools. They've raised the prices to epic proportions. Their support is a fee model. They've spent ungodly amount of resources building the most intricate and complicated DRM imaginable. Yet, they still can't lock it down. Now they want me to pay them an annuity forever! That's the last straw!

    Here's an idea! Build a series of small light tools people can use. Lower the price that individual people can afford. License your tools for enterprise in a reasonable way. Eliminate DRM altogether. Create upgrades (add value) people want to pay for.

    DRM seems to be Adobe's biggest source of aggravation. When I read the forums and use Adobe products myself, it's always the DRM that causes annoyance. No matter how they implement it, it stops you from using the product and causes you to do things you shouldn't need to do.

    1) Being on the internet. Why is this necessary? What if I'm on the train using my laptop?

    2) Requiring original DVD media. Installing Adobe products on a USB drive? Can't do it. Huh? I have a new Ultrabook. I cannot for the life of me figure out how to install Adobe products on it since none of the DVD media will copy to my thumb drive and be readable.

    I'm still using CS4. Even the DRM on that version is unreasonable. I have no plans to "upgrade". When I need to, I'll seek other solutions to my creative tools. I've already moved on to Visual Studio and no longer use Dream Weaver. I'll replace PhotoShop with Paint.Net, InDesign will probably be replaced with Quark, Illustrator may be replaced with Canvas or Corel.

    Perhaps Adobe will simply buy up all the remaining tools made by other vendors. That may work.

     

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    New Mexico Mark, Jun 26th, 2013 @ 9:57am

    I "need" it, therefore I can take it

    Your willingness to help a starving student is, perhaps, commendable. However, in my opinion, you are feeding the next (worse?) entitlement generation. When she is out of school and things are tight, will she feel justified to "borrow" some of her company's resources (virtual or physical) because, you know, they have a lot and she doesn't? Maybe she could sell some private company information on the side because it's just bits on a thumb drive and not of real value.

    Put aside for now the arguments over whether DRM or IP laws are worthwhile or selfish, effective or useless. The bottom line is that they exist. It is unfortunate that some schools are so stupid that they willingly lock their students into the slave treadmill of proprietary software licenses, DRM, and IP. So why support that system in the first place? Because "everyone" is doing it? (They're not.)

    What if the school fees go so high that her only choice is to become a hooker, drug dealer, or thief to pay for her book licenses. Justifiable? She's using her neighbor's wifi bandwidth. If the neighbor is OK with that, great. If not, the argument is, "they didn't use big enough locks (so to speak) so it's mine for the taking?"

    Yes, I think a lot of things in these areas are stupid and wasteful and I wish more people and organizations were more sharing and open. However, if more people had the backbone to just say "no" to this stupidity and vote with their money (including their school and software choices), I believe economic forces would drive organizations to improve their customer service or die. I've seen it many times before.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 26th, 2013 @ 9:59am

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    I think from a strickly functionality and usability perspective, MOST of their products are pretty top notch. I applaud Adobe for creating the PDF standard which is pretty remarkable in what it set out to and does accomplish quite well. However, I will agree with you that Acrobat's editing capabilites for PDF's are pretty pathetic. The sad part is most of the 3rd party ones are pretty bad too.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 26th, 2013 @ 10:15am

    Re: Bad Adobe

    Perhaps Adobe will simply buy up all the remaining tools made by other vendors.

    They cannot do that to Gimp, Scribus, Inkscape, Blender etc. as all are open source with multiple copies of the source code on private machines.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 26th, 2013 @ 10:18am

    Re: DRM like locks on doors to state clearly: PRIVATE PROPERTY.

    So when Sony's rootkit fucked with my radio in the early 2000s I guess that my radio - purchased with my own money, and not one of Sony's models - was their private property too?

    Go get yourself one of those CDs and slit your throat with it, you useless waste of space.

     

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    Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), Jun 26th, 2013 @ 10:22am

    Re: I "need" it, therefore I can take it

    Put aside for now the arguments over whether DRM or IP laws are worthwhile or selfish, effective or useless. The bottom line is that they exist.

    However, if more people had the backbone to just say "no" to this stupidity

    You're sending confused messages here. So we're supposed to 'obey the law' just because it exists, no matter how stupid, while at the same time making a stand against the companies who have had those laws pushed through?

    No. I will not pretend to be stupid. I will not pretend that non-scarce things are scarce. I will not pretend that ideas and culture can be owned and restricted. I am making a stand. I will not obey laws which run counter to the good of society.

     

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    John Fenderson (profile), Jun 26th, 2013 @ 10:28am

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    Oh, good lord, don't get me started on how deeply I loathe PDFs.

     

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    jupiterkansas (profile), Jun 26th, 2013 @ 10:31am

    Re:

    Maybe it's because most of their paying customers are businesses who just make it part of expenses.

    That and a lack of serious competition on the professional side. It's just what everyone uses.

     

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    akp (profile), Jun 26th, 2013 @ 10:36am

    Re: Re:

    I've hated every second I've ever spent in GIMP.

    On the mac, Pixelmator is an *ok* alternative, but still missing a few tools I use in Photoshop all the dang time.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 26th, 2013 @ 10:48am

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    I hear you. But to take documents such that they can be properly displayed, printed and edited, not only cross system but cross platform, including support for vector as well as raster graphics with fonts embedded all the while making the foot print of the files remain as small as possible is no easy task. It's pretty remarkable how well it actually works.

     

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    John Fenderson (profile), Jun 26th, 2013 @ 11:03am

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    Except that PDFs "solved" a problem that had already been solved for years. The format just did so in a worse way that reduced utility and locked you into a proprietary format. Far from being a technological triumph, PDFs were a couple of steps backwards.

     

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    dennis deems (profile), Jun 26th, 2013 @ 12:45pm

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    Ooh, thanks for this. Gotta try it when I get home.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 26th, 2013 @ 1:00pm

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    How is that? What technology before solved that? Sure EPS's existed but they weren't editable or even reliably viewable even if they could be printed properly.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 26th, 2013 @ 1:23pm

    Re: Free, but stuck in time

    The big potential drawback that I can see with installing a cracked version of the Creative Cloud apps is that you won't be able to get any updates to your product, and importantly you won't get any upgraded functionality that comes down the pike to paying Creative Cloud users.

    Is there any reason to expect that future updates won't be cracked just as easily, and hence available ~24 hours after release? It's more work than automatic updates, I guess, but on the plus side Adobe can't take functionality away without permission.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 26th, 2013 @ 1:31pm

    Re: Re: DRM like locks on doors to state clearly: PRIVATE PROPERTY.

    Strong DRM = Bad
    Weak DRM = Pointless
    No DRM = Good. You can always sell T-shirts.


    It works more like this:

    Strong DRM = Pointless for piracy and frequently screws even your best customers
    Weak DRM = Pointless for piracy and occasionally screws your customers.
    No DRM = Thanks to pirates, your product becomes the de facto industry standard and every working professional must buy a copy.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 26th, 2013 @ 1:35pm

    Re: Re: DRM like locks on doors to state clearly: PRIVATE PROPERTY.

    You had a radio that ran Windows?

     

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    dd, Jun 26th, 2013 @ 2:06pm

    Re: Re: Response to: Anonymous Coward on Jun 26th, 2013 @ 5:47am

    My response was to the requirement of "ages mastering".

    PhotoShop is better from day one.

    It has little to do with ones experience level (value of PS vs GIMP), though that is certainly relevant. It's that PS is just faster to do many types of operations (better select tools, better stamp type tools, pretty decent content fill delete all being super simple tools).

    The more advanced, but hardly difficult to use effectively things, such as vector support and non-destructive editing are pretty useful for someone that has even a brief amount of experience.

    Yes, PS is a tool for professionals, but it hardly requires an expert to benefit from it's use. I oft see stated that PS 6 is enough for anyone, and CS2 being free is all one needs, but the newer tools benefit the inexperienced users most.

     

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    Alan Ralph (profile), Jun 26th, 2013 @ 2:35pm

    Re: Re: Free, but stuck in time

    Is there any reason to expect that future updates won't be cracked just as easily, and hence available ~24 hours after release? It's more work than automatic updates, I guess, but on the plus side Adobe can't take functionality away without permission.

    Well, that's a gamble you're going to have to take. A lot will depend on how the updates are delivered through Creative Cloud, and how easy it is to intercept the update and combine it with the existing software configuration. Since the article doesn't give much detail of how the CC package was obtained, it could be that whoever did it got lucky, and that Adobe may now change their system to block that route.

     

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    Alan Ralph (profile), Jun 26th, 2013 @ 2:42pm

    It's all about the taxes

    I'm a Creative Cloud subscriber here in the UK, and I know from the billing statements I get that a big chunk of the 46.88/month is Value Added Tax (VAT) - but not UK VAT (currently 20%), this is Irish VAT (23%).

    It would an interesting exercise to work out where your Adobe software is actually billed from. I'm guessing it's not in Germany, in your case...

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 26th, 2013 @ 4:14pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    I don't know why, it's very powerful, shit I use PS CC & GIMP I like them both.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 26th, 2013 @ 4:19pm

    The crack was pretty much identical to CS6E so my guess is they did not waste any time on upgrading security.
    A very smart move because whether you like it or not it will be cracked.

    A new security is nothing more than a new challenge being issued by the company making it.
    It says one thing, I bet you can't crack it and of course they're always wrong. If it can be secured it can be unsecured plain and simple.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 26th, 2013 @ 4:23pm

    I lol'd.

     

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    Sheogorath (profile), Feb 5th, 2014 @ 12:46pm

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    Yeah, open source freeware FTEW. Woot!

     

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