Funniest/Most Insightful Comments Of The Week At Techdirt

from the not-just-nsa dept

As we noted this week, the legacy recording industry is still up in arms against Pandora. This yielded our most insightful comment of the week, with That One Guy noting the pot-and-kettle aspect of the industry's talking points:

Given how much they are protesting that Pandora is trying to 'take money away from the artists', I'm sure they would have no problem whatsoever with an audit from an independent third party, to see how much exactly they pay the artists from all those licenses, and in particular to see if the increase in license rates was matched by an identical increase in royalty rates paid out.

Meanwhile, when we discussed the fact that if you've got nothing to hide, you've actually got plenty to hide, an anonymous commenter delivered the second most insightful comment of the week with an alternative version:

If you've got nothing to hide, you're not human.

Though neither of the top comments came from the big news of the week — the ongoing revelations about the NSA — several of the runners up did, and for editor's choice we'll highlight a couple of those. First up is That Anonymous Coward:

So a program everyone disavows is running and apparently has no oversight because they lie about it to their bosses.

So a program is running amok, but they are so terrified of looking soft on terror they are willing to sacrifice the law, citizens rights, and another person willing to point out the emperor is naked.

FSM have mercy on us all...

And next, taking on Congress' pathetic response, we've got a regular ol' anonymous coward:

Dear Congress,

This is why the vast majority of Americans think you suck - it's because you clearly DO.

With as much respect as you seem to give us (read: none),
The American People

On the funny side, first place comes from our post about the lawsuit that has been filed to prove that Happy Birthday is in the public domain. Someone going by the name Cowards Anonymous offered up an anthem for the occasion:

Happy Lawsuit To You!
Happy Lawsuit To You!
This Song Is Public Domain,
Happy Lawsuit To You!

(To the tune of Good Morning To You)

In second place, we've got a response to the pianist who stormed off stage because someone was recording his performance. RyanNerd shared his own experience with bootlegs:

I still have my bootleg recording of a Rush concert back in '79. I still have it, but don't know where to find an 8 track player to turn it into an MP3. Oh well. I guess the damage is done. Rush will never be a sucessful band because of my illegal recording of them.

For editor's choice on the funny side, we start with an adjacent comment from the same post, which included a callback to another recent story:

The real story here is whether the pianist learned to play by marking keys with letters and numbers signifying notes. We could be looking at a case of teaching techique infringement here. This is shocking.

And finally, we've got an anonymous commenter's response to the discovery that the NSA's PRISM logo includes an infringing photo:

NSA Employee: Ok, time to log into the NSA server to perform my nefarious dee...what the?

FBI Badge? Domain seized!? Copyright Infringement!???

NOOOOOOOO!!!!!

If that happens, we'll send them a t-shirt.

That's all for now! See you next week.



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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 12:18pm

    Another week of solid shit comments from the brain-dead Kool-Aiders and Mike "Snake Oil" Masnick running from substantive discussion like the little lying twerp he is. Yep, another week on TechTurd. Congrats!! Pat yourselves on the back!

     

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      AC Unknown, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 12:23pm

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      If you have nothing nice to say, then don't say a damn thing.

       

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        The Old Man in The Sea, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 6:13pm

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        S/He may have nothing nice to say, in fact, s/he may have nothing to say. But allow them to say it for the sake of your 1st amendment. We don't have to listen, respond or comment back.

        Remember feeding a troll only encourages them to be a troll.

        Once you know you are dealing with a swine, follow the ancient advice of not throwing your pearls before them otherwise they will trample them into the mud.

         

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        Anonymous Coward, Jun 17th, 2013 @ 1:24am

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        oh, we are all here to say only NICE things, So if your not blowing wind up Masnicks ass you should not be here, Now Censor me !!!!

         

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          S. T. Stone, Jun 17th, 2013 @ 1:53am

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          You know what? I think everyone here has had enough of playing nice with you, but none of them want to get their hands dirty with telling you off in the way you deserve.

          But me? I ain't ever had a problem getting down in the muck with the trolls and drowning them in their own filth.

          Everyone around here plays nice because they have a sense of decorum and a respect for this blog's comment sections that you will never have. They seek to keep the comments clean and intelligent and full of honest debate and dialogue. You seek to drag everyone into a pile of shit. I, perhaps more than anyone else here, understand both sides well enough to know when to stay clean and when to get pig-shit dirty.

          You don't have anything intelligent or coherent or even unique to say. You come here just to bitch and moan about Mike Masnick and the rest of the writing staff on this blog and how certain stories get more coverage than others. You accomplish nothing by doing this. You achieve nothing but making yourself seem as if your father should have busted his nut inside your mom's ass and saved her the trouble of bringing you into the world.

          You will never stop Techdirt from posting new stories with your inane comments. Nothing you say or do will ever change this blog or its commenters. (Don't say you changed me because I’ve done shit on this level since the days you could follow /b/ without having to worry about a thread disappearing every ten seconds.) You will keep coming here and your comments will keep ending up behind that pink line of text that says "the community here thinks you suck more dicks than a Thai hooker during Fleet Week". You will waste your time in a futile effort to drag this blog down into whatever pile of foul excrement you’ve found today and it pains me — it really does — to see retards waste their time in such a way.

          Oh, and as for that claim of ‘censorship’? Hey, dickspit, Techdirt offers the comments here as a service to its readers — but it does not guarantee you the right or even the privilege of posting dribble that your mother wouldn’t even deem fit for her worn-out snatch. You have the right to speak your mind, but you can’t force Mr. Masnick and his band of merry men to give you a cum-and-shit-stained platform for it. If they want to ban you from the comments and send you packing back to whatever whorehouse your mother works at these days, they have the full goddamned right to do it. (I expect to get my ass banned from the comments for this entire bit of trite filth. C‘est la vie.)

          When you want to have a rational discussion or reasonable debate about anything written on Techdirt, come back and participate as a reasonable individual would.

          Until then: go suck thirty-seven dicks in a row, you rancid pile of bird vomit. We have better things to do around here than deal with your bullshit cluttering up the tubes, you godforsaken clusterfuck of a person.

          tl;dr — FUCK THOUSANDS OF MILES OF OFF.

           

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            Anonymous Coward, Jun 17th, 2013 @ 2:59am

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            If they want to ban you from the comments and send you packing back to whatever whorehouse your mother works at these days, they have the full goddamned right to do it. (I expect to get my ass banned from the comments for this entire bit of trite filth. C‘est la vie.)

            Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your perspective), Techdirt doesn't have the ability to ban anyone. Blocking IP addresses won't work due to proxies. Besides, Mike's mentioned a few times that he has no intention of blocking anyone or else this goes against the freedom of speech that this blog constantly defends, hiding trollish behavior instead of outright censoring it like those blogs with moderated or blocked comments. It's because of this that these particular trolls won't stop because he/she knows that there's absolutely no way to silence their baseless and constantly debunked drivel no matter how much the majority of the readers here want them to "fuck off and die (a quote that's been said toward Mike)."

             

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              S. T. Stone, Jun 17th, 2013 @ 3:41am

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              Eh, flagging their comments is close enough to banning.

               

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                Anonymous Coward, Jun 17th, 2013 @ 5:24am

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                What? It is more like putting porn magazines on the top shelf. They are still available, but the flagging warns about them being trollish.

                 

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                  horse with no name, Jun 17th, 2013 @ 5:55am

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                  It goes beyond that, because there is no simple system to say "show all comments". For someone to read all the comments requires them to click each one individually. It's as close as you can get to outright censorship - it makes it harder for people to access all of the comments, and they get to see mostly one side of the story - the party line.

                  It's a private website and Techdirt can work any way it wants. But you have to admit it's pretty funny to have a tool being used for censorship on a site that calls any blocking in any manner of any site censorship.

                   

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                    Anonymous Coward, Jun 17th, 2013 @ 6:09am

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                    So you find it worthwhile to access comment after comment of Bawk, Cluck, Moo and Milk.

                    That's very, very telling.

                     

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                    S. T. Stone, Jun 17th, 2013 @ 6:19am

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                    Psst. It ain’t censorship if he can go say it elsewhere.

                     

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                    Anonymous Coward, Jun 17th, 2013 @ 6:25am

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                    … there is no simple system to say "show all comments"


                    In Firefox:
                    View | Page Style | • No Page Style

                    Very simple. Extremely simple. So simple that… well, I won't say it. But you know I thought it.

                     

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                    Anonymous Coward, Jun 17th, 2013 @ 6:53am

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                    "it makes it harder for people to access all of the comments, and they get to see mostly one side of the story - the party line.
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                    Seriously...I mean, I like totally got a finger cramp having to click all those "show comment" links.

                     

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                      horse with no name, Jun 17th, 2013 @ 5:35pm

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                      Yeah, seriously, like I only spent days of my time trying to get around that IP block or to reach that banned site.

                      You guys scream censorship when there is any blocking at all, yet you are more than willing to use it to shout down opinions you don't like. It's nice.

                       

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                        Anonymous Coward, Nov 4th, 2013 @ 1:21am

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                        horse with no name simply loathes it when due process is enforced. How's that DMCA vote working out for you, fucktard?

                         

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      Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 12:30pm

      If you want to go after a liar look in the mirror

      Every time Mike has been accused of lying it turns out he was being truthful(sky is rising) and the anti Mike crowd has been proven liars who refuse to take an answer for an answer(the "why won't you debate me" thing)

       

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        horse with no name, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 1:26pm

        Re: If you want to go after a liar look in the mirror

        The sky may be rising, but the earth is rising faster.

        The Sky is Rising is the perfect snake oil. It has a wonderful truthiness about it, the sort of things like including unrelated income, not comparing apples to apples on expenses, things like that. It also failed to consider that the vast majority of the improvements in things like live performance income was due to substantially increased ticket prices, nor did it really consider that almost all of the increases in various areas were related to top label stars, and not the people at the bottom of the food chain.

        Nothing in the Sky Is Rising is a particular lie in and of itself. It's why Mike is considered so good at what he does, he uses just enough truth to make it believable.

         

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          Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 1:41pm

          Re: Re: If you want to go after a liar look in the mirror

          Try reading this article on self publishing It shows that for books, self publishing is good for authors, but bad for publishers. In an informal survey Hugh Howey gets the evidence that more authors are making more money from self publishing than most authors that use a publisher.
          This is not good news for publishers, especially as he notes the publicity effort by the author is the same, whether they self publish or use a publisher.

           

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            Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 2:27pm

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            Making any kind of money in the arts is fucking hard. There's more money to be made writing apps than there is for writing operas. That's a fucking fact. In the past, artists competed with other artists but now they're competing with everyone.

            "Back in the day, there was more money so where did it all go?"

            Well, here's where $193,771 went:

            http://offbeatr.com/project/trials-in-tainted-space-46583939698

            I'm sorry to some that the Game of Making Money in Art has changed but it's always fucking changing. Adapt or die. Same as it always was.

             

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            horse with no name, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 5:51pm

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            In an informal survey Hugh Howey gets the evidence that more authors are making more money from self publishing than most authors that use a publisher.

            That is the truthiness of the whole deal. Technically true, but only because many of them were making absolutely nothing before. Now, making $10 a year is "making more money". Some of them even earn enough to buy dinner once in a while. Maybe some of them even make enough to consider it a job.

            So it's honest but misleading to headline "More Authors Make Money" to suggest that the new system is a success, because the amount of that income is perhaps disappointing. It also doesn't give a suggestion how many authors are really making it to a level where their work is widely known and distributed. That number probably isn't changing, and may even be slipping as publishing companies get squeezed and have less money available to put out nationally or internationally distributed works.

            So they Sky Is Rising... but the ground rose up too so the air space is about the same, maybe smaller. Is that really good?

             

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              John Fenderson (profile), Jun 16th, 2013 @ 6:14pm

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              It also doesn't give a suggestion how many authors are really making it to a level where their work is widely known and distributed.


              The big win in the new way of doing things is that it is now possible for an author (or musician, etc.) to make a reasonable living without requiring their work to be known by as large of a percentage of the population. Niche markets are now possible.

              This is a good thing for everyone. An author no longer has to do the equivalent of winning the lottery in order to get their works read by an appreciative audience.

              For those who really need the ego boost of selling millions of copies, the established Big Publishers are still there.

               

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                horse with no name, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 7:20pm

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                You are correct, with more ways to publish clearly more people can cross the threshold and make some income on their work. However, it is somewhat dishonest to say that the industry is expanding rapidly because authors that might have just given their work away on newsgroups or might have only used a vanity press in the past are suddenly selling a handful of copies of an e-book.

                Again, it's a question of "truthiness", where the bare facts (more people are making some money selling books!) does not tell the real story.

                I seem to remember (but don't have a link, sorry!) a recent story about the music world, where more artists are making some income from being in music, which is a typical headline story here. But the downside was that their income wasn't coming from the top of chain (ie, taking some of the pie from major artists), but rather it was cannibalizing the small to mid size artist business. More competition for available nights in clubs and bars, more people willing to do the work for less money (for the exposure!), and of course the old buyer fatigue issue. See, people don't magically have a whole bunch more money for entertainment. So if their club that had live music a couple of nights a week suddenly goes to 5 or 6 nights, it isn't like people can afford to go out that many nights. Then they become more selective, and the same amount of money is spread over more players at that level. Also, they don't need to many t-shirts, so at some point, they tune out on the merch as well, hurting another income stream for the small to mid level artists.

                So the sky is rising, but the ground is rising too... and that just means we are playing where there is less oxygen, not more.

                 

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                  Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 9:01pm

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                  The unvarnished truth for ya horsie.

                  Your beloved industry is ill equipped to make money in the 21th century.

                  The pirates survived 20 years and with no signs of slowing down and to be blunt, you can't do shit about it, nobody can't, because all 7 billion pirates don't give a crap about your beloved industry, they can all go to the ground, pirates will then create their own content and some will make money others will not.

                  No matter how much protection you give to fucking morons incapable of keeping up with the times, it will be wasted, they have not grown into the market they don't understand it and so they don't know how to make it.

                  But there are people who actually knows nothing of the old ways and actually make money and grow.

                  Youtube: Behind the Scenes - DJ Play My Song (NO LEAVE ME ALONE)

                  Pay attention, those kids had nothing, they were nobody and broke, now they are hiring professional teams to record their videos and like them there are thousands of others doing the same, they are creating a fucking brand new fucking giant market and don't care about piracy, piracy is not a concern for them or for the others, it matters for the fucking idiots that got caught with their pants down though.

                  There that is the fucking truth, Hollywood and the labels are fucked they will go under a few may survive and even continue to be big players, but things will change and the only ones that will be there in 10 years are the ones that don't care about pirates or piracy and find ways to monetize that fucking colossal market without the old crutches.

                  Pirates are not dying, they will not die off and you will have to live with it.

                  Kick and scream all you want that is how it will be and not you nor any government can make pirates disappear.

                  Mike realized this simple fact, others have too, George Lucas and Spielberg for instance they know there is nothing they can do, instead they are searching for ways to stay relevant in this new brave market.

                  Chose, money and riches or a long weekend with the Dodos?

                   

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                  Cowards Anonymous, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 10:04pm

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                  But the downside was that their income wasn't coming from the top of chain (ie, taking some of the pie from major artists), but rather it was cannibalizing the small to mid size artist business. More competition for available nights in clubs and bars, more people willing to do the work for less money (for the exposure!), and of course the old buyer fatigue issue. See, people don't magically have a whole bunch more money for entertainment. So if their club that had live music a couple of nights a week suddenly goes to 5 or 6 nights, it isn't like people can afford to go out that many nights.


                  So what you're saying is that free market capitalism is bad and corporate monopolies are good. Because in the free market everyone competes as equals (let the best man/woman win), but corporate monopolies only have to compete against themselves (no one else is allowed in). In corporate monopolies there are no minor artists, only major ones. If you're too small, you're not worth our attention and blocked from the market anyway.

                  And do you seriously think for a moment the major artists would not have to step up their game and INNOVATE to keep up with the "minor" artists in a free market or lose market share themselves?

                   

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                  Anonymous Coward, Jun 17th, 2013 @ 12:31am

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                  A shrinking income in an expanding market indicates a business model problem, not a market problem. Traditional publishers and labels can no longer use their gate keeping role as guardians of access to printing, record and CD pressing, along with distribution networks to control the market. Production of physical copies used to be a limiting factor for authors and artists in their quest to find an audience, however the Internet and almost the almost Zero cost of digital copying has eliminated that control point in the search for an audience.
                  Until and unless they realize that they have to become low barrier facilitators rather than high barrier gate-keepers, the traditional publishers and labels will see a shrinking share of an expanding market.

                   

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                    horse with no name, Jun 17th, 2013 @ 4:53am

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                    A shrinking income in an expanding market indicates a business model problem, not a market problem.

                    You are correct. The problem is that it's the poor taking from the almost poor, and not from the rich. The top sellers are still stop sellers, they still make their money.

                    Music is the easiest place to see it - more bands playing local vanues (and "touring" to neighboring places) and playing for less money, for the door, or worse "for promotion", shutting out other artists who use to work and maybe even make a living.

                    Buys of indie music have X to spend, and if there are 3 times as many bands, the money is spread X/3 - the consumers don't suddenly grow money out of their ass.

                    So the problem is too much offer, not enough demand - but the demand for the top stuff is still there as always. More people make some money, but are as many making a passible living or a profit doing it?

                    The market isn't expanding, and that's there the sky is rising tends to fail. In music, the artist are getting more direct money, and if you don't compare apples to apples on the expense side, things go to shit pretty quick. Artists now get the income, but they are then paying on fees for management, for tour, for product, and so on - gross they may see more money, but net, it's not as clear. Confusing gross and net is a good way to make things look better than they really are.

                    After all, if the market was really expanding, everyone would be happy (and swigging champagne instead of Three Buck Chuck) - and most artists are not. Apparently the sky forgot to them them with it when it rose!

                     

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                      Anonymous Coward, Nov 4th, 2013 @ 1:23am

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                      "forgot to them them"? Learn to English, jackass, then maybe you'd tell the difference between "reported" and "censored".

                      But since you can't, DMCA vote!

                       

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          Lowestofthekeys (profile), Jun 17th, 2013 @ 6:59am

          Re: Re: If you want to go after a liar look in the mirror

          You glossed over the fact that the Sky is Rising also refers to the opening of more opportunities for artists. People no longer have to go through a large conglomerate to pursue their passion.

           

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          Anonymous Coward, Jun 17th, 2013 @ 8:32am

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          You've nothing to back up your claim?
          Every time you post, you rarely back it up with anything but your own individual emotionally-charged "opinions".
          You think you've got it figured out, but you're only trying to rationalize reasons towards why you're "right" as you're simply too afraid of being wrong (fear based as well as black and white thinking)

          It's Hanlon's Razor for you.

           

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      silverscarcat (profile), Jun 16th, 2013 @ 12:53pm

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      So why don't you ever contribute to the conversation then?

       

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      Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 12:59pm

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      Did big bad Mikey left your dreams in taters little poney?

       

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      Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 2:26pm

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      Aww, don't be sad Blue. You'll win the "most dairy" award one day.

       

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      Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 5:17pm

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      Yes, another week of your solid shit comments, but we overlook them as much as we can.

       

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 12:36pm

    9/11 was a gift to the spooks they got everything they ever wanted and more.

    Freedom I will miss you when you are gone.
    Democracy it was good knowing ya.

     

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    horse with no name, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 1:18pm

    The true best one of the week

    The truly best one of the week, the one that exposes the Techdirt staff for what they are comes from the author of this very story. To quote Leigh Beadon:

    oh hey it was you talking not blue -- i really should pay more attention. i never would have bothered responding

    A truly classy guy, caught out talking down to people... and then realized he was very wrong. This was his reply.

    Mr Masnick, I think it's about time to shorten the leash on the untalented Canadian dog. he's turning more into a b-tch.

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 1:29pm

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      I guess no body should respond to the horse with no brain.

       

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        Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 3:21pm

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        I guess no body should respond to the horse with no brain.

        Yeah, you guys should just censor everyone that says anything you don't like. That's way better than having a productive conversation. Mikey has taught you all well, and he sets the perfect example of how to run away from dissenting views with his tail between his legs. Nobody runs faster from someone calling out his bullshit than Mike. Total fucking fake. Total fucking coward.

         

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          Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 3:50pm

          Re: Re: Re: The true best one of the week

          "That's way better than having a productive conversation."

          Posting in EVERY article "milk it! milk it! coward! pirate! bawk!" is considered having a *conversation* now? Lets be clear: you arent interested in having any kind of meaningful discussion. At all. You prove it with every post. You dont get to then turn around and try to take Mike and the site to task for something you yourself are unwilling to do.

           

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            Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 3:57pm

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            Yep, and I'll keep goading Mikey because he's a total fake and a total coward. When he's ready to have a frank and open discussion on the merits, I'll be there. I won't run away. I'll answer all of his questions truthfully and frankly. I won't use weasel words. I won't change the subject. Nothing scares him more than the thought of it.

             

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          techflaws (profile), Jun 16th, 2013 @ 10:41pm

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          Hehe, still going on with the "censor" bullshit. You guys are cracking me up.

           

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          Anonymous Coward, Jun 17th, 2013 @ 1:33am

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          It's like Ned Flanders, when Homer became a genius and showed Ned a mathematical proof that God does not exist. .

          Ned, 'oh you forgot to carry the one, no you didn't'

          Ned then products a lighter and sets fire to it. saying
          "I cant let this get out!!!!"

           

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        Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 3:22pm

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        And waste perfect horse shite for compost?

         

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      Leigh Beadon (profile), Jun 16th, 2013 @ 2:00pm

      Re: The true best one of the week

      Yup, I had the wrong Trent Reznor album. Looks like he had a good experience working with Columbia and sees benefit in continuing to do so -- which is great, and reinforces our point that record labels and artists can work together to their mutual benefit so long as they do so in an innovative and non-exploitative way. So er, discography knowledge point to you, all the rest of the points to me, I guess.

       

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        Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 3:02pm

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        Good try, but the blanket label-bashing you ignoramuses have engaged in is still there for anyone to search and read.

        What isn't there is an article where you people admit that most musicians and labels have a fruitful relationship and that's why the old model is the new model.

         

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          Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 3:19pm

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          Look on the bright side, NIN has more leverage today to get a good deal than before, before he had nowhere else to go, now he can go to Kickstarter, Bandcamp, Youtube and a dozen other places.

          Don't you find it a bit disconcerting that they are using labels to get "experimental" stuff out and the labels are taking it?

          In years past it would be the other way around LoL
          Now the bands dictate the terms, isn't that great?

           

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        horse with no name, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 7:26pm

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        Let's be honest - you can into that thread like a ranging rhino, mis-spoke, spoke down to me, insulted me, and then got it all wrong - and you don't even have the nuts to apologize like a man. Sad stuff.

        The story is very big. it's not a disography thing, it's something very important in the process for him. The RECORD LABEL DEAL with Columbia was good enough for Trent that, after many years or slogging NIN stuff online and through other FREE! methods, he has decided to move back to the label for more of his business. By his own quote, NIN doesn't need the help, but there they go, releasing on Columbia. That's big news.

        I just think it's silly for you to try to bury it. This is big news in the world of free, perhaps showing that Trent discovered that there are practical limits in the model, that the only way he can get true global promotion, exposure, airplay, and solid access to media is to use a record lavel to promote NIN - and thus help him sell more concert tickets at a higher price when he gets to that point of the process.

        It's truly groundbreaking, but in a direction that doesn't match up to the Techdirt storyboard. I guess I can understand why you are downplaying it. It might be better for you however to open your eyes and see the changes, rather than wishing them away. It might also be good if you learn how to apologize like a man. Try it.

         

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          Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 8:38pm

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          Horsie, just because NIN decide to use experimental stuff through a label is not ground breaking, it means they got some suckers desperate enough to risk it.

          See how easy it is to spin crap, you are not even good at it, are you actually employed, or you are living in the basement along with us the internet folks that you talk down all the time and doesn't even have the courage to apologize like a man. Are you afflicted from foot-in-the-mouth-disease? sure seems like it.

           

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        Anonymous Coward, Jun 17th, 2013 @ 1:34am

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        yes, you get the losing points.. enjoy.

         

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      Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 3:19pm

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      A truly classy guy, caught out talking down to people... and then realized he was very wrong. This was his reply.

      Mikey's lapdog is always hilarious. Always a class act.

       

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      Mrs. Carab, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 7:33pm

      Re: The true best one of the week

      The truly best one of the week, the one that exposes the Techdirt staff for what they are comes from the author of this very story. To quote Leigh Beadon:

      "oh hey it was you talking not blue -- i really should pay more attention. i never would have bothered responding"

      A truly classy guy, caught out talking down to people... and then realized he was very wrong. This was his reply.

      Mr Masnick, I think it's about time to shorten the leash on the untalented Canadian dog. he's turning more into a b-tch.


      Please don't get Marcus fired. Then he'd have to make his living as a rapper,which would mean he'd he will never leave my basement. His father and I can hardly live with the shame as it is.

       

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      Anonymous Coward, Jun 17th, 2013 @ 7:00am

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      Wow, and you were just whining about someone using ad-homs in another post.

       

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 1:42pm

    The best qualifying response to horse with no brain is to hit the report button and go on. Nothing to see there.

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 3:48pm

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      Yes, censor someone for having a view opposing the pirates. It's the Techdirt way.

       

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        The Daily Mindfuck, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 4:13pm

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        THIS JUST IN -- "Click to show the comment" = censorship!

        In other news: Sudden outbreak of Concussive Facepalm Syndrome hospitalizes thousands

         

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        Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 6:58pm

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        On the pro copyright blogs for the fact most opposing views aren't even viewable wwith a click, and you go after techdirt where they're still visible by clicking?

        Double standards ahoy!

         

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        techflaws (profile), Jun 16th, 2013 @ 10:45pm

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        Yes, keep lying about "censorship". It's the desperates troll's way.

         

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 2:22pm

    Though neither of the top comments came from the big news of the week

    Duh. This is a pirate blog. What exactly did you expect?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 3:25pm

    I'll be here all week, Mikey. Bawk, bawk! Looking forward to calling out your bullshit and watching you run away. Love it!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 4:25pm

    Not a reasonable argument between the two trolls put together. Blaming, name calling, and the general troll shit is why their posts disappear.

    No one to blame but themselves since they've been given ample opportunity to cite examples, post supporting data, but rather than that, they have to stupe to the above. It indicates absolutely no data to support their stance; hence a troll that needs reported.

    Enjoy you hidden posts trolls. You will continue to have my vote on that every time you veer off the topic, especially when there are indications you haven't even read the posts.

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 4:37pm

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      http://www.salon.com/2013/06/15/lynda_obst_hollywoods_completely_broken/

      “The DVD business represented fifty percent of their profits,” he went on. “Fifty percent. The decline of that business means their entire profit could come down between forty and fifty percent for new movies.”

      For those of you like me who are not good at math, let me make Peter’s statement even simpler. If a studio’s margin of profit was only 10 percent in the Old Abnormal, now with the collapsing DVD market that profit margin was hovering around 6 percent. The loss of profit on those little silver discs had nearly halved our profit margin.


      This is what happens when you build upon a foundation of shiny plastic discs.

       

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      horse with no name, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 7:27pm

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      Enjoy you hidden posts trolls. You will continue to have my vote on that every time you veer off the topic, especially when there are indications you haven't even read the posts.

      By your own standards, you can downvote your own post.

       

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        Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 7:57pm

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        Yeah, but guess which one is actually unreasonable enough to get hidden.

        How much time have you spent your life in Germany to say that GEMA is a good thing, then?

         

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        Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 8:27pm

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        Horsie, c'mon you talking about standards, is a joke right?

         

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          Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 10:35pm

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          horse with no name just hates it when due process is enforced. What else would you expect from someone who has a crush on John Steele and is crying for Otis Wright's head on a stake and heart on a spit?

           

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            horse with no name, Jun 17th, 2013 @ 2:17am

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            I think the judge overstepped his authoritity. I have no love at all for Steele, I think he is a jackass. But that does not excuse the judge for over reaching and circumventing due process to drag people in front of him for a spanking without any process.

            I would say mostly once again you have proven to be a baiting troll. Shouldn't you log in with your Techdirt employee account instead of posting anonymously?

             

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              Anonymous Coward, Jun 17th, 2013 @ 3:50am

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              I don't know, when are you going to answer the question? Exactly how much time have you spent your life in Germany? Because unlike your loaded question for Glyn, I actually happen to live in Asia. It's such a shame people aren't buying your bullshit after you decided to word yourself so vaguely, and you got called out for it.

              You're furious and seething that this is the best and brightest copyright enforcement had to offer, and when they were found abusing the law for their own benefit, judges are starting to throw books at them.

               

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              Anonymous Coward, Jun 17th, 2013 @ 7:30am

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              If you call several chances to explain themselves followed by stalling and more stalling as overreaction, all I have to say is that you are full of horse shit.

              Steele was given every fucking chance to explain what was happening, he got more chances than any of his victims had and the judge is overreacting?

              If it was anybody else they be in jail for contempt of the courts for doing what he did and you be praising the results because in your fucked up colored world it would be a dirty pirate who deserve it, you don't care about the law, you only care that the dirty pirates pay.

              But pirates are stronger than you are, they are counted in the billions and have proven in the course of 2 decades that they are here to stay no matter what you or anybody really thinks about it. Is not a question of loving or not piracy is a question of accepting the facts, there are no solutions for piracy, pirates won't stop and you can't stop them, they survived the worse that others could throw at them and they are still here, what now? continue down a path that leads nowhere or try to find fucking workable solutions that don't depend on fighting a losing battle?

              I know what you chose General Custer horse.

               

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              Anonymous Coward, Jun 17th, 2013 @ 9:17am

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              Doesn't matter really, piracy will continue and this is a mute point, maybe we could coarse the NSA to gives us the electronic communications of Prenda, all its associates and connect the dots to whom they called, whom they contacted and find something about the schmucks, you are in favor of the spying program right?

              How would you feel when it is used against your hero of Steele?

              Studios and labels will probably die because they are the creation of statute, pirates will survive because they are the creation of society. I know you don't get how profound that is, you believe in forcing others to respect your choices by removing theirs, people will show you how wrong you are, you can't and never will legislate choice, 20 years of piracy have shown that to be true and by the looks of it, will continue to be true for a long time to come.

              This was true to every single monopoly ever granted on the face of this earth, none endured and there is a reason for it, they are not inclusive tools they are exclusive, they generate tremendous social attrition and that is why they didn't work and don't work now and probably ever will work.

              Don't be sad though, a new generation of artists are growing on the digital age and surprisingly, piracy is of no concern to them, some have become rich already the vast majority make enough money to start hiring "professionals" to actually make videos for them on Youtube, crazy I know soon one of those kids will realize that they can create companies and one of those companies will become the next Warner Brox. or EMI and after a while they too will die when they become the "old way" and some new trend emerges, this is the mechanism for business practices renew, this is how you inject new thinking and blood everywhere.

              I remember when Mom & Pops everywhere were complaining loudly about box stores and malls popping up everywhere, those stores and malls trashed their business, lots and lots of people lost their way of making a living, most if not all survived somehow, now is little individuals creating professional Mom & pops equivalents that are trashing the big box stores.

              You live long enough and you start seeing how things tend to repeat over and over and over again, there is a cycle and the smart people have already changed their business to the new wave of the old ways happening again. But you are not that smart are you horsie?

              You are the old, the old way of thinking the one that is going under, in 20 to 30 years it may come back again, but this right here and now is the age of pirates, the little dudes making something in their homes, producing things and distributing them. You can call it Mom & Pops 2.0 revised.

              Here some proof:

              Lulu & The Lampshades: You're Gonna Miss Me

              Two broke kids, created a frenzy on the internet with that old song, the routine was even used in a Hollywood movie can you believe that? Pitch Perfect LLC didn't cite or pay anything of course.

              But those 2 girls now have income they didn't have before and started a Bandcamp

              Isn't good when people can receive money for their work?
              More importantly, piracy is what made that possible, doubt?
              Just search for "lulu & the lampshades" and see how many pirates used it to make their own videos on Youtube, that piracy is what allowed two broken kids to get money from something they made it for fun, that piracy is what made them known, that piracy is what made them great, and you think piracy is bad?

              Maybe it is for you, but others are finding ways to make a living that instead of an antagonistic view of piracy, it has a partnership kind of magic, those are the future not you and your beloved big box labels and studios those are going down and hopefully you go with them, until the next cycle.

               

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        Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 9:14pm

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        We do enjoy the hidden posts, in fact they are the only ones worth reading...

        Please continue to censor the posts, and showing us all the very best posts to read..

        Keep up the good censorship.. Make Mansick PROUD!!!!!

         

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    Anonymous, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 5:21pm

    I finally made the list! Yeah baby yeah! :)

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 5:50pm

    Why so many trolls of late? Must be getting paid overtime

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 6:16pm

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      What sort of moron would think a troll is paid to post on this blog? Masnick doesn't even pay the suckers that write articles for him.

       

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        Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 7:12pm

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        So you are a freetard then?

         

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        Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 7:37pm

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        Masnick doesn't even pay the suckers that write articles for him.

        This is no surprise. Masnick doesn't believe in paying for content.

         

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          AC Unknown, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 8:17pm

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          [Citation needed]

           

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          Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 8:23pm

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          Well, even if true that would just make him equal to studios and labels.

          :)

           

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          Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 9:18pm

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          how much would you have to pay someone for cut and paste ?

           

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            Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 10:34pm

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            More than solar panels pay you, dumbshit darryl.

            George Orwell's 1984 is freely available in Australia. That must get your goat. Maybe you should get Prenda to represent you. Say, you should offer your solar panels to the NSA, they could use a douchebag like you.

             

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              Anonymous Coward, Jun 17th, 2013 @ 1:39am

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              "
              George Orwell's 1984 is freely available in Australia."

              No it's not, cant you get anything right ??

              You have to pay for it in Australia, just like you do everywhere else. (unless you want to steal it).

              And aren't we lucky it's 2013 and not 1984.

               

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                Anonymous Coward, Jun 17th, 2013 @ 2:15am

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                As a general rule the works of authors who died before 1955 are in the public domain in Australia. Works by George Orwell (died 1950), Virginia Woolf (died 1941), and James Joyce (died 1941), just to name a few authors, are in the public domain in Australia.
                Here is the link enjoy

                 

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                Anonymous Coward, Jun 17th, 2013 @ 3:03am

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                Can't even get your facts right, can you darryl.

                It must make you so mad that cultural works are available for free. Why don't you be the responsible jackass you are, and report your whole country for aiding and abetting theft from George Orwell's corpse?

                Is this the level of intelligence that solar panel engineers are allowed to command, or are you just full of shit and industry jizz?

                 

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      Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 9:16pm

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      "Why so many trolls of late?"

      because Mansick only have a few cultists, the rest of the world can actually see him for what he is..

      A scumbag leech.

       

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 7:54pm

    Congratulations to Techdirt, to warrant so many douchebags making so many hateful comments this week, you are doing something right. Keep up the good work.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 9:18pm

    CUT / PASTE / RANT

    That's masnicks formula for TechDirtBag

     

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      techflaws (profile), Jun 16th, 2013 @ 10:50pm

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      BITCH / AD HOMS / LIES.

      The anonymous shill's formula for failing on Techdirt.

       

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        Zakida Paul (profile), Jun 17th, 2013 @ 1:27am

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        And Hollywood's formula for fighting piracy.

        Coincidence? I don't believe in them.

         

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        Anonymous Coward, Jun 17th, 2013 @ 1:41am

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        oh and your real name is 'techflaws' right, your parents must have a great sense of humour.

         

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          techflaws (profile), Jun 17th, 2013 @ 2:33am

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          So there's no difference between someone always posting under the same synonym and geniuses like you that could be anyone? No wonder you're staying anonymous, jackass!

           

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            Anonymous Coward, Jun 17th, 2013 @ 3:42am

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            darryl gave up typing his name. He realised that adding his name made him look stupider than he already is.

             

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    Ms Miller, Jun 19th, 2013 @ 5:55pm

    You did warn us

    I am having to contact as many as possible Congressman for this betrayal of our public trust.

    I protest this trickery it is treasonous betrayal of our rights to privacy. The Senate and Congress deliberately lied to us for profit. CISPA isn't what they said it would be...you all profited from this deceit. The Senate and the Congress needs to get busy and repair this huge leak of our right to privacy. This blatant betrayal of our public trust.



    http://lastresistance.com/2383/computer-and-defense-industries-bribe-government-to-eliminate-our-pri vacy-protections/



    byJohn DeMayo 6/19/2013



    Computer And Defense Industries Bribe Government To Eliminate Our Privacy Protections

    The governments financial payoffs afforded to, and the campaign finance contributions offered by private companies like, Google, Verizon, Yahoo,

    Facebook, Microsoft and, Apple aiding FISA court authorized surveillance can no longer be easily brushed off. Moreover, the bribing and endemic influencing peddling our elected officials encourage while they bend, twist and urinate on the US Constitution proves we have lost control of our “by the people, for the people” Republic.



    Americans naively suppose our elected officials honor their oaths to protect and defend our constitutional rights. Think again.



    HR., 624, the “Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act (CISPA), which passed in the House in April 2013 with bi-partisan support, allows private internet companies to surrender information about its users to law enforcement and security agencies “in the event of a cyber attack.” Correct me if I am wrong, but is not America under a constant “cyber attack?”



    Republican Mike Rogers is the bills original sponsor. In the last election cycle, Rep. Rogers and his PAC received a combined $103,000 dollars in campaign contributions from a dozen companies lobbying on CISPA with an additional $20K provided by a Pentagon defense contractor, “SAIC,” who supplies electronics systems to various government agencies. It also warrants noting 192 organizations registered to lobby on CISPA in the first quarter of 2013.



    HR., 756, the “Cyber security Enhancement Act of 2013 (CSEA)” would require, if legislated, government development and implementation of a plan and standards for Cyber security R&D funding using technology industry input. It also passed the House in April 2013 with bi-partisan support.



    A consortium of seventy companies made up of defense and technology industry groups lobbied on CSEA. The computer and internet industry managed to contribute $96,000 to the bills sponsor, Mike McCaul (Texas) in the last election cycle. His Democrat co-sponsor, Dan Lipinski (Ill) received over $70,000 from the Defense Electronics Industry, Special Trade Contractors and various entrenched public sector trade unions.



    In recent committee hearings, FBI Director Robert Mueller, recommended the expansion of the “Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act of 1994 (CALEA)”. CALEA requires internet providers and phone companies to maintain the technology necessary to comply with wiretap orders.



    The FBI requested CALEA be amended to include Skype, Facebook, and other budding electronic communications platforms. Apparently, the FBI was not aware of the “Prism” program set up by the NSA, supposedly overseen by Congress, which already provides for the funneling of information gathered by Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, Paltalk, Youtube, Skype, AOl, and Apple, on targeted persons, to the government.



    Would you be surprised to know that all of these private companies along with the Internet Industry Association and the US Chamber of Commerce (just to name a few) contributes hundreds of millions of dollars to political campaigns and lobbies for more intrusive government cyber monitoring programs every year.



    They also demand that Cyber security legislation include provisions absolving them of any potential liabilities for violations of US citizen privacy protections guaranteed by our US Constitution, all in the interest of National Security. It’s smart business. After all, who do you think is paid off to develop and maintain these government surveillance systems?



    My research revealed another infuriating and particularly obscene disregard for the law allowed by our incorruptible government. The “Children’s Online Privacy Protection Act of 1996 (COPPA)”.



    COPPA, a 1998 law was designed to prohibit websites from gathering “personal information” data on users under the age of thirteen. COPPA has undergone various government reviews and revisions redefining the term “personal information.” In addition to a child’s name, home address, email address, SS number and other contact information, COPPA now protects cookies, IP addresses, and mobile device ID’s that can be used to target children for product advertising based on their online behavior.



    Mandatory compliance deadlines for newly adopted COPPA regulations are opposed by Internet industry trade groups, the US Chamber of Commerce and the Application Developers Association. These groups and others, lobbied vigorously for an indefinite extension of new rules THAT PROTECT OUR KIDS’ PRIVACY RIGHTS set to go into effect on July 1 2013. They failed. No big deal. After all, the Internet Industries predation of US minors between the ages of 14 and 18 is not covered by the Children’s Online Privacy Protection Act.



    Americans are now enraged after finding out that IT companies share information citizens thought constituted “private property” with US intelligence agencies. Where Americans asleep for the last two decades or was it just more comfortable and convenient to brush off the Patriots screaming DANGER as conspiracy theorists.



    For years, fat and happy Americans, willingly seduced by the “World Wide Web” have reflexively permitted publicly traded companies to archive information assumed to be private. Everything we do electronically has been compiled, sorted, stored, and analyzed by the companies we employ to service our on-line purchases, searches, e-mail, texting, tweeting and telecommunications needs. It should come as no surprise that information now used to profile Americans for the government was acquired while information superhighway clearinghouses serviced advertisers’ prospective customer identification needs.



    I cannot begin to list the elected officials, the lobbyists, trade groups and associations, and private companies whose profits purchase legislation that not only tramples our Constitutional rights, but also enriches these corporations with our tax dollars. Tax dollars used to develop software and hardware required by the very laws, financed with government grants and subsidies, designed to monitor and document every individual using an electronic device during some form of electronic communication. It would take a lifetime.



    Lobbying and campaign contribution records reveal the financial benefits of invading and infringing on US citizens’ fourth amendment privacy protections. Rent seeking information technology companies have a history of lobbying and contributing to elected officials who vote on and enforce legislation supposedly designed to protect Americans privacy and the nation’s security. This history suggests that Americans internet and electronic privacy rights, like everything else in America, are for sale to the highest bidder.

    Are you awake yet?

     

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