NSA's Favorite Techdirt Posts Of The Week

from the let's-here-the-other-side-speak dept

Given how much time we've spent on the NSA surveillance story this week, we thought it would only be fair to allow the NSA a chance to speak for itself, and so we offered up our standard "favorite Techdirt posts of the week" post to the NSA. I think we may have accidentally signed ourselves up for PRISM in doing so, but such is life.

First off, thanks to Mike for giving us this chance to reach out directly. We're already well aware of what you think of us (you know why), and frankly, Techdirt seemed rather empty this week compared to its usual bits of content. But, here are our favorites, and your own surfing habits suggest you agree:
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Thanks again! See you next week, even if you won't see us.


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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 15th, 2013 @ 12:01pm

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 15th, 2013 @ 12:02pm

    HAHAHAHAHA!! Milkin' it all weekend long!!!! So funny! Woo hoo!!! I'm crackin' up so hard!!!

     

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      RD, Jun 15th, 2013 @ 12:05pm

      Response to: Anonymous Coward on Jun 15th, 2013 @ 12:02pm

      The only one being laughed at here is you. You add nothing to the discussion of a vitally important topic. Please find something actually useful to do with your life to justify the air you are breathing and stop just taking up space.

       

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        Anonymous Coward, Jun 15th, 2013 @ 12:31pm

        Re: Response to: Anonymous Coward on Jun 15th, 2013 @ 12:02pm

        LOL! Yeah, this post is so "vitally important." It's so deep and hard-hitting, and so insightful. Typical TD crap.

         

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          jupiterkansas (profile), Jun 15th, 2013 @ 12:53pm

          Re: Re: Response to: Anonymous Coward on Jun 15th, 2013 @ 12:02pm

          If you don't like it, then why do you read it?

           

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            Anonymous Coward, Jun 15th, 2013 @ 1:26pm

            Re: Re: Re: Response to: Anonymous Coward on Jun 15th, 2013 @ 12:02pm

            Antagonizing Masnick, the spineless sack o' shit, is its own reward.

             

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              Matthew Cline (profile), Jun 15th, 2013 @ 1:31pm

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Response to: Anonymous Coward on Jun 15th, 2013 @ 12:02pm

              If you're going to be a troll, at least try to come up with an excuse which isn't so pitiful.

               

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                Anonymous Coward, Jun 15th, 2013 @ 2:25pm

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                  Anonymous Coward, Jun 15th, 2013 @ 3:12pm

                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Response to: Anonymous Coward on Jun 15th, 2013 @ 12:02pm

                  Wah! Bawk! Cluck! I'm Mike and I can't have an honest, substantive discussion on the merits! Boo hoo! I can only make a bunch of dishonest excuses... Bawk!

                  I love this place!

                   

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                    Anonymous Coward, Jun 15th, 2013 @ 3:39pm

                    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Response to: Anonymous Coward on Jun 15th, 2013 @ 12:02pm

                    You're really milking Mike hard. If I were Mike, I would be scared of you too.

                     

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                      Anonymous Coward, Jun 15th, 2013 @ 4:51pm

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                      Oh, he's been throwing the same little tantrum for so long... He's like our retarded little mascot, these days.

                       

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              Automatic Grammatizator, Jun 15th, 2013 @ 4:29pm

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Response to: Anonymous Coward on Jun 15th, 2013 @ 12:02pm

              I understand virtue is a better reward.

              Why should anyone care what you have to say, anyway? You're just a noisemaker, like a crashing cymbal or a clanging gong.

               

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              DCP, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 4:04am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Response to: Anonymous Coward on Jun 15th, 2013 @ 12:02pm

              Name-calling and insults are nearly always used when the antagoniser cannot come up with anything original to say and I think OOTB well qualifies. Certainly seems to be lacking a few brain cells in the subtlety, originality and sociability departments. In fact, I suppose most folk would class those sort of foul-mouthed insults as coming from someone with a distinct lack of education, manners and/or social graces and, in the case of OOTB (judging by his comments with their ever-increasing coarseness), they would probably be spot-on.

               

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          Anonymous Coward, Jun 15th, 2013 @ 1:47pm

          Re: Re: Response to: Anonymous Coward on Jun 15th, 2013 @ 12:02pm

          I can sense your anger and I know why you are angry.
          The rise of pirates have rob you of your pride, you believed in something that was never to last.

          You won't find peace in anger.

          Piracy is here to destroy monopolies that outgrown their usefulness and others are not responsible for your wrong choices in life.

           

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        terry_allen (profile), Jun 17th, 2013 @ 5:05am

        Re: Response to: Anonymous Coward on Jun 15th, 2013 @ 12:02pm

        Actually I found Anonymous Coward's comment much funnier (and far more fitting) once it read as:

        [Redacted]

        Thanks to the moderators for putting in the humor that was missing from the original post!

         

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      RD, Jun 15th, 2013 @ 12:06pm

      Response to: Anonymous Coward on Jun 15th, 2013 @ 12:02pm

      The only one being laughed at here is you. You add nothing to the discussion of a vitally important topic. Please find something actually useful to do with your life to justify the air you are breathing and stop just taking up space.

       

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      Anonymous Coward, Jun 15th, 2013 @ 12:24pm

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      I didn't think it was possible but are you infected with stupid?

       

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        Anonymous Coward, Jun 15th, 2013 @ 3:14pm

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        Yes! Anyone who points out what a dishonest chicken shit Mike is must be pathetic! Ha! I shit all over Mike in his own house and he's too scared to even confront me. I love this place!

         

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          Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 9:27am

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          I read that conversation you had with it. It was hard to read your responses. Mike clearly stated what he believes then you ignorantly change what he said. It was like watching some trying to argue something was blue when it was red. The only person who thinks won that conversation was you. I cringed as it went deeper and deeper and you willfully didn't see it.

           

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          Anonymous Coward, Jun 17th, 2013 @ 1:59am

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          yes, it is a constant source of amusement.

           

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      Anonymous Coward, Jun 15th, 2013 @ 12:33pm

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      Something about you has certainly cracked.

       

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        Anonymous Coward, Jun 15th, 2013 @ 3:15pm

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        Bawk!! I'm Mike and I don't discuss my posts in the comments. I'm too scared. Cluck!

         

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          RadialSkid (profile), Jun 16th, 2013 @ 3:29am

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          As opposed to the cadre of copyright maximalist sites that don't allow comments at all.

           

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          Jesse (profile), Jun 16th, 2013 @ 8:26am

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          What would that conversation even look like? He would make a few well reasoned arguments and you would resort to calling him petty names the way you already are? Why would anyone (other than you and your troll brethren) want that?

           

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      Dave, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 3:49am

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      It has been said that sarcasm is the lowest form of wit but I really can't find the slightest trace of wit here. Something that rhymes with it is certainly in abundance.

       

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    Anonymous Anonymous Coward, Jun 15th, 2013 @ 12:03pm

    NSA's Favorite Techdirt Posts Of The Week

    Sorry, I will read this in a few minutes, maybe more. Right after I stop laughing.

     

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    JoeCool (profile), Jun 15th, 2013 @ 12:23pm

    NSA points

    The third bullet point is clearly the most interesting.

     

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    Baldaur Regis (profile), Jun 15th, 2013 @ 12:36pm

    As a US taxpayer, I must protest the flagrant and wasteful overuse of black bars on FOIA responses and other government documents. Blackout pens are expensive; why hasn't anyone done an expose on the influence of the Big Highlighter lobby on this practice?

    Also, why do tin foil hats never have an adjustable band? Think about it.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 15th, 2013 @ 12:37pm

    Soooo... taking all bets on how long it is before Techdirt is brought up on charges of impersonating a federal agency. Odds are doubled for charges that DON'T absolutely ignore the definition of parody!

     

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    GMacGuffin (profile), Jun 15th, 2013 @ 12:39pm

    Talk about secretive ...

    Even the text under the redaction is encrypted! ... with nonstandard fonts too! You can see it if you select the redacted sections. That nutty NSA.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 15th, 2013 @ 12:50pm

    This is what you get when you elect a lawyer(Obama) for president that supports a drunk redneck(Bush Jr.).

    Now the thing I don't get is why the NSA try so hard to be secret when Joe Biden will leak everything.

     

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    Loki, Jun 15th, 2013 @ 1:13pm

    I almost feel like I'm playing in a real world version of Paranoia at this point.

    "Stay Alert! Trust No One! Keep Your Laser Handy!"

    And above all else, always remember: The Computer is your Friend.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 15th, 2013 @ 1:16pm

    My favorite part was ◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼&# 9724;◼◼◼◼◼◼ it really gave me a lot of insight to why they do what they do.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 15th, 2013 @ 1:28pm

    ◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼&# 9724;◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼a 24;◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼ ;◼◼ ◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼&# 9724;◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼a 24;◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼ ;◼ ◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼&# 9724;◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼a 24;◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼ ;◼◼ ◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼&# 9724;◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼a 24;◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼◼ ;◼◼◼

    ◊◊◊◊ ◊◊◊◊, ◊◊◊◊ ◊◊◊◊ ◊◊◊◊. ◊ ◊◊◊ ◊◊◊◊ ◊◊◊◊◊! ◊◊◊ ◊◊ ◊◊◊ ◊◊◊? ◊◊◊◊◊◊ ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ ◊◊◊◊ ◊◊◊◊ ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ ◊ ◊◊◊◊ ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ ◊◊ ◊◊◊ ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊.

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Jun 17th, 2013 @ 2:00am

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      hahah,, oh right, no prize for seconds...

       

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    ChurchHatesTucker (profile), Jun 15th, 2013 @ 1:44pm

    What the hell?

    Drink more Ovaltine?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 15th, 2013 @ 2:29pm

    It's all squares! The NSA speaks and writes alien language! They're space invaders! WE'RE DOOMED!!!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 15th, 2013 @ 2:41pm

    Hey, look! It's Mike the Headless Chicken: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZFs76-tMwY

    Bawk!!

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Jun 15th, 2013 @ 3:01pm

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      Your tears sustain me.

       

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        Anonymous Coward, Jun 15th, 2013 @ 3:10pm

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        Hi, Stewie! Mike's fear sustains me. I love this place!

         

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          Anonymous Coward, Jun 15th, 2013 @ 4:27pm

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          You shouldn't get so worked up about Mike. It's not really good for your health.
          Instead you should relax, take a break and maybe do some yoga until you become flexible enough to stick your head up your ass where it belongs.

           

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      Anonymous Coward, Jun 15th, 2013 @ 3:13pm

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      Does your mommy know you're using the computor?

       

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    Matthew Cline (profile), Jun 15th, 2013 @ 2:57pm

    It's like reading an SCP Foundation document.

     

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    Dan S (profile), Jun 15th, 2013 @ 3:13pm

    Let's "hear" the other side speak dept.

    #Corrections

     

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    FM Hilton, Jun 15th, 2013 @ 3:31pm

    Fear and loathing

    Between the chickenshit spammers that seem to roost here, and the NSA apologizers, this article fits right in..I mean, there's nothing there that could be, should be read by ordinary people.

    Secret stuff is still stupid, like the agency that handed this out back when secrecy was not redactable.

    Oh, standards have gravely slipped.

    Must put a new law into place to control the idiots.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 15th, 2013 @ 4:08pm

    If you hold your monitor up to the light just right,you can just barely make it out...

     

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    Capitalist Lion Tamer (profile), Jun 15th, 2013 @ 4:28pm

    Pretty decent selection of posts the NSA has chosen. I should know, I quite possibly wrote one, if not all of them. (Except the unredacted post.)

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 4:55pm

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      I think one of them says that one of the biggest problems the government is facing right now is that the government is composed of a bunch of overpaid flunkies.

       

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        Anonymous Coward, Jun 17th, 2013 @ 1:55am

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        "now is that the government is composed of a bunch of overpaid flunkies."

        and Techdirt is composed of undereducated drunkies.

         

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          Anonymous Coward, Jun 17th, 2013 @ 8:01am

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          No, that would be the Entertainment industry with a long history of being on rehab. The tech industry and those associated with it tend to be more educated and not on drugs. It's not like politicians or the entertainment industry ever innovates (beyond leeching off of other people's innovations of course), they're all too high and stupid to know anything about tech. Oh, sure, politicians used to innovate a long time ago (Benjamin Franklin and electricity, Thomas Jefferson was very brilliant and supposedly spoke five languages and if you read his works he is obvious very brilliant) but those days are now long gone (with a few exceptions like Ron Paul who was a medical doctor for a number of years).

           

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    out_of_the_blue, Jun 15th, 2013 @ 4:47pm

    Mike is the one making joke of a serious matters.

    Humor has its place -- and certainly Mike is a figure of fun for me. But this fluff pleases only the 14-year-olds here at Techdirt, doesn't actually help.

    It's just masnicking: daily spurts of short and trivial traffic-generating items.

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Jun 15th, 2013 @ 8:22pm

      Re: Mike is the one making joke of a serious matters.

      I'm glad you and AJ will enjoy this article in about 2022 then.

       

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      Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 6:53am

      Re: Mike is the one making joke of a serious matters.

      Humor is a very import part of dealing with tragedy. It is completely appropriate given the catastrophic injuries inflicted on our Constitutional ideals and the people for which those ideals stand.

       

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 15th, 2013 @ 4:59pm

    Oh, Hey!

    Just remembered something I heard a day or two ago—

    NSA Director walks into a bar.
    Bartender asks, “Did you hear the one about… ?”
    NSA Director interrupts, “Yep.”

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 15th, 2013 @ 6:00pm

    Derp Derp Derp!!!

    NSA Blaaaaaargh!!!

    Derpa Derp!!! Duh!!!

    Mikey Masnick no talky 'bout thing dat matter...

    Derp Derp!!

    Mikey scared talk 'bout stuff 'n' things.

    Duh!!

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Jun 15th, 2013 @ 7:24pm

      Re:

      Come on. You know where he works. You're probably obsessive enough to know where he lives. If you really want to have a discussion with him: schedule a meeting, buy a plane ticket, get a hotel, then go talk to him. But your broke ass can't afford that. Face it, you went to law school but are too much of a douchebag to even be a working lawyer. Society would be better off if you decide to go off yourself.

       

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    horse with no name, Jun 15th, 2013 @ 7:21pm

    Meanwhile... the stories that didn't get covered:

    Well, let's see. Mike's been in such a tizzy over getting the top ranking for the NSA keywords on Google that he sort of ignored at least a couple of things.

    One such story was a review of the "leaker" himself, showing that he exaggerated his claims, and potentially may just be a patsy for other people doing the real leaking. His employer pointed out that this high school drop out wasn't making the 200k a year that he claimed, as an example, and that it's rare for someone with 3 months experience to be in job this guy claimed to be in. Could be nothing more than BS, but interesting that it got no play on Techdirt.

    Another interesting story that didn't make it here was that Trent Reznor announced a new NIN album is coming out. Now, Techdirt doesn't usually cover record releases, but then again, it's not every day that the Lord of the FREE! Reznor announces new music - on a record label. That's right, the new album is getting released on Columbia. So the message here is "do it yourself when nobody will pay for it, but most certainly use labels when you want to make money and get wide exposure". Another story just not making it onto Techdirt.

    Then again, we still have Step2 on the top of every page (and that dog is dead), but the CwF thing is pretty much gone, replaced with "buy our stuff" insider shop. Sort of tells you a whole story, doesn't it?

    So actually, this is in keeping with this joke post from Mike, which is that Techdirt redacted anything that would go against the themes of the site, even if it is news and interesting.

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Jun 15th, 2013 @ 7:29pm

      exaggerated his claims,

       

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      Leigh Beadon (profile), Jun 16th, 2013 @ 10:12am

      Re: Meanwhile... the stories that didn't get covered:

      Hey Blue, you're a little late to the game -- we covered the fact that Trent Reznor was going to Columbia last year, and even interviewed him about it:

      http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121022/00013120781/trent-reznor-talks-to-techdirt-about-hi s-unconventional-new-record-deal-why-he-still-loves-diy.shtml

      Maybe you should actually read Techdirt instead of going straight to the comments to complain that we didn't write what you wanted us to write...

       

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        horse with no name, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 10:47am

        Re: Re: Meanwhile... the stories that didn't get covered:

        Hi Leigh.

        Actually, that story is a year old, and it was in relation to Trent's work with his wife on the How to Destroy Angels project. Part of the reasoning for a label deal at that point was because the project was not the same as NIN, and therefore needed the exposure that Trent could not generate himself within his own fan base.

        To quote "Reznor pointed out that he has a huge fan base... for Nine Inch Nails. He was worried that those fans are the only ones who would pay attention -- and that they'd not necessarily appreciate How to Destroy Angels or (worse!) think that it's "just a side project with my wife." He specifically worried that NIN fans would say "this isn't what we want to hear," and that would then limit their ability to reach a wider audience."

        Not a single mention there of a new NIN album. In fact, Trent had been in the past pretty clear that there was no new NIN material in the making. Something clearly changed in the last 12 months.

        So before you get all uppity and feel superior about yourself, perhaps you should consider that the story clearly has changed since October 2012, and now the deal has clearly expanded to cover NIN work as well.

        No matter how you feel about it, it's a pretty significant situation when even NIN needs the label deal to get the exposure and connections required to be hit material, don't you think? The release of a new NIN album (and not work with his wife) is pretty important, don't you think?

        As a side note, your uppity and superior tone makes you sound like a smarmy little kid. It's not the first time this week that you have completely missed the point of a post, trying to sound like you know better. Maybe you should spend a little more time reading and understanding before you dismiss comments.

         

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          Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 10:56am

          Re: Re: Re: Meanwhile... the stories that didn't get covered:

          Uppity and Superior are Rapper Boy's middle names. Another swing and miss by Mikey's attack dog.

           

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          Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 11:16am

          Re: Re: Re: Meanwhile... the stories that didn't get covered:

          No is not, NIN is just using the tools available to him, labels are a tool to be used, they are not the only gate to go and that empowers musicians by orders of magnitude when time comes to sit down and talk numbers.

          Any more horseshit you want to say.

           

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          Leigh Beadon (profile), Jun 16th, 2013 @ 12:26pm

          Re: Re: Re: Meanwhile... the stories that didn't get covered:

          oh hey it was you talking not blue -- i really should pay more attention. i never would have bothered responding

           

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            horse with no name, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 1:00pm

            Re: Re: Re: Re: Meanwhile... the stories that didn't get covered:

            Ahh, such class. No wonder you got a "staff" job.

            You aren't having a good week, are you?

             

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          Anonymous Coward, Jun 17th, 2013 @ 10:03am

          Re: Re: Re: Meanwhile... the stories that didn't get covered:

          Speaking of sounding uppity and superior, have you read any of your comments you've made here?

           

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    Zem, Jun 15th, 2013 @ 7:21pm

    Cracked it

    So I passed the page code through a program that assigns ascii code based upon certain non standard formatting. Then using the meta data, and my 100tb sieve, I ran it though a standard decryption routine. The next bit was hard, I had to find someone who could translate Navajo code (was suprised they still use it).

    End result was a very nice recipe for chicken alphabet noodle soup. I suspect there is also a message in the soup but I was too hungry at the time to stop and read it.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 12:42am

    Can i take NSA to court for copyright?

    after all, they have taken copies of my emails and pictures for their owm use - to ask it questions.

     

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    tommy, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 1:01am

    Maybe they'll read this and reply in the comments lol

     

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    DP, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 4:20am

    Redactation

    Oh.....very droll! They'll have you wire-tapped for sure now! Watch your back! :-)

     

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    FM Hilton, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 5:27am

    Not so funny, now

    This came in over at CNET today-

    The NSA is listening to calls without a warrant. Usually it's based on an analyst's decision:
    http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57589495-38/nsa-admits-listening-to-u.s-phone-calls-wit hout-warrants/

    " The National Security Agency has acknowledged in a new classified briefing that it does not need court authorization to listen to domestic phone calls."

    " If the NSA wants "to listen to the phone," an analyst's decision is sufficient, without any other legal authorization required, Nadler said he learned. "I was rather startled," said Nadler, an attorney and congressman who serves on the House Judiciary committee. "

    Who's laughing now? I'm certainly not.

     

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      horse with no name, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 5:56am

      Re: Not so funny, now

      Again:

      http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/42138_CNET_Says_NSA_Admits_Listening_to_US_Phone_C a lls_-_but_Thats_Not_What_the_Video_Shows

      Not exactly the same thing, is it? You are falling for the same thing that drives much of Techdirt these days, third hand information and unverified sources.

      Work on critical thinking, you might do better!

       

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        Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 7:28am

        Re: Re: Not so funny, now

        Sorry, but the TD Fanboys are only interested in anti-government FUD and fear mongering. Your logic is most unappreciated here at Mikey's Place.

         

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          The Real Michael, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 8:08am

          Re: Re: Re: Not so funny, now

          Fast & Furious, Benghazi, IRS targeting conservatives, DHS buying billions of rounds of ammo and no-hesitation targets, politicians attempting to disarm the public, TSA molestors at airports, VIPR squads at bus stops, FBI foiling its own plots while failing to prevent real ones despite explicit warnings, Obamacare, government lies about chemical weapons being used in Syria (gee, kind of like Iraq...), public military drills in metropolitan cities such as LA, Miami and Chicago, copyright maximalists' extortion scheme and lobbying for a regulatory coup of the internet, pharmaceutical industries preventing cheaper medications from being imported, patent trolling at an all-time high, private corps using children as guinea pigs for invasive data-mining at public schools without parental consent (e.g. retina scans), and now the NSA's unconstitutional domestic snooping PRISM program.

          Do you see a silver lining in all this because I sure don't.

           

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            The Real Michael, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 8:24am

            Re: Re: Re: Re: Not so funny, now

            Oh, and let's not forget about the indefinite detention of US citizens, authorization of drones, stop-and-frisk, unlawful seizure of cell phones, checkpoints, and mass media propaganda.

             

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        Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 8:04am

        Re: Re: Not so funny, now

        Quote:
        Nadler: OK, then I can say the following. We heard precisely the opposite at the briefing the other day. We heard precisely that you could get the specific information from that telephone simply based on an analyst deciding that and you didn’t need a new warrant. Other-words is what you just said is incorrect. So there’s a conflict.

        Mueller: I’m not sure it’s the answer to the same question. I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to interrupt.

        Nadler: Well I asked the question both times and I think it’s the same question, so maybe you better go back and check, because someone was incorrect.

        Mueller: I will do that. That is my understanding of the process.


        Taken from your own source, do you even read what you post?

         

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        little green men, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 8:25am

        Re: Re: Not so funny, now

        Why am I not surprised that Little Green Footballs got this wrong?

        Rep. Nadler did say that he was told that a new warrant was not needed to listen to the call. Nadler asked Director Mueller what was necessary in order to "listen to the phone," Mueller said "a particularized order from the FISA court" would be required, Nadler then asked if that answer was "classified in any way," Mueller said he didn't "think so," then Nadler said that he was told that "you didn't need a new warrant." The context is beyond clear. Nadler asks it twice, first as "get the contents of that phone," and then as "listen to that phone." Metadata comes up only once and it's merely used as the reason someone might "want to do more" in Mueller's words. You can assert that Nadler got it wrong (misunderstood, misremembered, or even lied) but not that CNET mischaracterized Nadler. I actually went through the trouble of transcribing the exchange below.

        Nadler: "Secondly, um, under section 215, if you've gotten information from metadata and you, as a result of that, um, think that, 'Um, gee, this phone number, 873-whatever, um, looks suspicious, and we ought to actually get the contents of that phone, of that phone' do, do you need a new specific warrant?"

        Mueller: "You need at least a national security letter. All you have is a telephone number. You do not have subscriber information so you need the subscriber information. You would have to get probably a national security letter to get that subscriber information."

        Nadler: "And to..."

        Mueller: "And then if you wanted to do more..."

        Nadler: "If you wanted to listen to the phone?"

        Mueller: "Then you would have to get a special, a particularized order from the FISA court directed at that particular phone of that particular individual."

        Nadler: "Now is the answer you just gave me classified?"

        Mueller: "Is what?"

        Nadler: "Is the answer you just gave me classified in any way?"

        Mueller: "I don't think so."

        Nadler: "Okay, then I can ask, then I can say the following: We heard precisely the opposite at the briefing the other day. We heard precisely that, uh, you could get, uh, specific information from that telephone, uh, simply based on an analyst deciding that and you didn't need a new warrant. In other words, what you just said is incorrect. So there's a conflict..."

        Mueller: "I'm not certain it's the same answer to the same question. I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt."

        Nadler: "Well, I asked the question both times and I think it's the same question."

        Check the accuracy of my transcription yourself-- http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/FBIOver

        Nadler begins to speak at about 46:20 into the video.

         

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          Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 9:13am

          Re: Re: Re: Not so funny, now

          Quote:
          Nadler: "Okay, then I can ask, then I can say the following: We heard precisely the opposite at the briefing the other day. We heard precisely that, uh, you could get, uh, specific information from that telephone, uh, simply based on an analyst deciding that and you didn't need a new warrant. In other words, what you just said is incorrect. So there's a conflict..."


          I don't think he reads what he posts or think much about it, because clearly Mr. Nadler is questioning why before they were told that they could get the the information and contents of calls with just an analyst believing they needed and now that is not the case, I believe that is what he meant by "So there's a conflict..."

          Mueller appears to pull the "confused act", he clearly was caught unprepared.

           

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          little green men, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 9:47am

          Re: Re: Re: Not so funny, now

          Looks like I was right. It wasn't a mischaracterization of Nadler's words. It looks like Nadler is the one who got it wrong. According to The Atlantic (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/06/jerrold-nadler-does-not-thinks-nsa-can-listen-us-ph one-calls/66278/), he has walked back his comments. You don't walk back comments unless you've screwed up.

           

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            horse with no name, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 10:53am

            Re: Re: Re: Re: Not so funny, now

            Nadler sounds confused, so it's hard to take any of this stuff at face value. Clearly he got something wrong somewhere along the line, and while he feels he asked the same question, clearly he did not - in part because of the "setup" of the question.

            Nadler's own questioning is weak, and so confusing that he appears to have confused himself. Why not just ask a direct question instead of running around in twisted circle? He left himself (and everyone else) confused.

             

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              Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 11:25am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Not so funny, now

              He didn't sound confuse when he asked Mueller which ones was it, they need a FISC authorization or just an analyst to start looking into the contents of phone calls.

              Is right there on the link you have provided.

              Now you want to believe the NSA is not looking into everything, well, I have this bridge you know, have you intersted in making a once in a lifetime investment on a sure high ROI? by the way I have to transfer fifteen million dollars but I need a contact are you interested in it I am an African Prince.

               

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              Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 12:22pm

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Not so funny, now

              You sound confused trying to horseshit everyone LoL

               

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            John Fenderson (profile), Jun 16th, 2013 @ 11:08am

            Re: Re: Re: Re: Not so funny, now

            Not saying that Nadler got it right, but this...

            You don't walk back comments unless you've screwed up.


            ...is just a wrong statement. Accurate comments are sometimes walked back or "corrected", if the comments were something that wasn't supposed to be revealed or were damaging to someone powerful enough to demand a walkback.

             

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          Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 11:26am

          Re: Re: Re: Not so funny, now

          Check the accuracy of my transcription yourself

          I've compared your transcription with another transcription of that same exchange.

          That other transcription is contained with the story, “Jerrold Nadler Does Not Think the NSA Can Listen to U.S. Phone Calls”, by Connor Simpson, The Atlantic Wire, dated: "12:30 PM ET" (no other date) (web page metadata: Modified: 16 Jun 2013).

          While there are some differences in words and phrases between the two transcripts, those differences do not appear to materially affect the substance of the exchange.

          Further, while I did not review the video at this time, I did watch the hearing live on C-SPAN. Both transcripts substantially comport with my recollection of the essentials of that exchange.

           

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            Anonymous Coward, Jun 17th, 2013 @ 7:10am

            Re: Re: Re: Re: Not so funny, now

            Check the accuracy of my transcription yourself
            … with another transcription of that same exchange.

            A third transcription: “James Clapper Throws a Concentrated Nugget of Orwellian Turd-Splat”, Emptywheel, June 17, 2013.

            Emptywheel indicates she did her transcription herself:
            I’ve put my transcription of the exchange between Jerry Nadler and Robert Mueller below…

            Again, some small differences among —all three, now— transcriptions. Emptywheel does omits one brief bit of dialogue that may have been cross-talk. No material differences.

             

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    RyanNerd (profile), Jun 16th, 2013 @ 8:23am

    The best

    This is probably the Best of the Best posts of the week I've ever seen. What's ironic is that I am unable to read most of the content.

     

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    Magill (profile), Jun 16th, 2013 @ 9:43am

    Prism may be new.. but the "pipe" is not

    As recent investigative reporting the AP points out ... (and which many of us in the Networking business have known about since the 1970s! ... remember, the Internet used to be called the ARPAnet!)

    "Americans who disapprove of the government reading their emails have more to worry about from a different and larger NSA effort that snatches data as it passes through the fiber optic cables that make up the Internet’s backbone. That program, which has been known for years, copies Internet traffic as it enters and leaves the United States, then routes it to the NSA for analysis."

    PRISM may "focus" the data stream into many independent feeds, but the "bulk feed" has been in place for a long time. And when you consider how "dirt cheep" Terrabyte disk drives are today...

     

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      John Fenderson (profile), Jun 16th, 2013 @ 11:12am

      Re: Prism may be new.. but the "pipe" is not

      That program, which has been known for years, copies Internet traffic as it enters and leaves the United States, then routes it to the NSA for analysis."


      This is true (and covers all digital communications, not just internet -- so it includes telephone, too).

      However, there's a little tricksiness in that description. The program isn't limited to internet traffic that leaves or enters the US. It's all internet traffic. They say it's "international", but they have define all internet traffic as "international" regardless of the origin or destination of the packets.

       

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        Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 11:36am

        Re: Re: Prism may be new.. but the "pipe" is not

        but they have define all internet traffic as "international" regardless of the origin or destination of the packets.

        Source that assertion for me, please.

         

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          John Fenderson (profile), Jun 16th, 2013 @ 3:54pm

          Re: Re: Re: Prism may be new.. but the "pipe" is not

          I can't. I take back that assertion. I was remembering an effort that took place back in the early '90s to do this, but it came to nothing. My apologies.

           

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            Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 5:02pm

            Re: Re: Re: Re: Prism may be new.. but the "pipe" is not

            I take back that assertion.

            Well, one of the items that I was comparing it against was a story that came out in today's Washington Post.

            U.S. surveillance architecture includes collection of revealing Internet, phone metadata”, by Barton Gellman, June 16, 2013
            … Lawyers for the agency came up with an interpretation that said the NSA did not “acquire” the communications, a term with formal meaning in surveillance law, until analysts ran searches against it. The NSA could “obtain” metadata in bulk, they argued, without meeting the required standards for acquisition.

            Goldsmith and Comey did not buy that argument, and a high-ranking U.S. intelligence official said the NSA does not rely on it today.

            As soon as surveillance data “touches us, we’ve got it, whatever verbs you choose to use,” the official said in an interview. “We’re not saying there’s a magic formula that lets us have it without having it.” …


            So at one time —although, it is claimed, not anymore— it is semi-reputedly asserted that NSA lawyers were playing definitional games with the word “acquire”.

            We've heard something similar about possible definitional games with the word “collect”.

            Then there's the “51% chance of foreign”, and I believe that may actually be attributable to a named source.

             

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              John Fenderson (profile), Jun 16th, 2013 @ 5:09pm

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Prism may be new.. but the "pipe" is not

              Yes. The specific assertion I am taking back is that there is a formal definition of all internet traffic as "foreign" or "international". I do not take back the assertion that all traffic is being captured.

               

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                Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 5:47pm

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Prism may be new.. but the "pipe" is not

                I do not take back the assertion that all traffic is being captured.

                From the Associated Press story referenced by the OP, the closest to a named, reputable(*) source that I can come up with for that assertion is Bruce Schneier. And Schneier makes clear that that's just a reasonable assumption. It appears that he doesn't know it for a fact, of his own personal knowledge, and can't testify to it. He's just making assumptions.

                Meanwhile, we have the Chairman of the House Intelligence Committe, Mike Rogers (Michigan) telling us today:
                Asked if he could provide assurance that calls were not being listened to or recorded by the U.S. government without warrants, Rogers replied, “absolutely.”

                “It is against the law for the NSA to record and monitor U.S., Americans’ phone calls. It is against the law, and the law is very clear on this,” Rogers said.

                “It would mean that the NSA had to conspire with the FBI, would have to conspire with both parties in Congress on the intelligence committees and the oversight functions in the executive branch to do something beyond what the law very narrowly allows. I find that implausible,” he added. “The NSA is not listening to Americans phone calls and it is not monitoring their emails. If it did it is illegal, it is breaking the law.”

                While most of that statement refers to phone content (which may or may not have anything to do with VoIP), the portion that says, “The NSA … is not monitoring their emails,” seems to refer to internet content.

                Of course, Mr Rogers was not under oath—he was on CNN. And the American electorate just isn't too shocked any more by politicians who tell bare-faced lies.


                (*) Btw, “semi-reputedly” in my earlier post should have been “semi-reputably”. However, despite the difference in meaning, either word does work in that earlier context.

                 

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                  Anonymous Coward, Jun 17th, 2013 @ 6:09am

                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Prism may be new.. but the "pipe" is not

                  [Rep. Rogers:] “The NSA … is not monitoring their emails”

                  Exposure of NSA surveillance draws attention to Mueller remark about real time email tracking”, by Catherine Herridge, Fox News, June 17, 2013
                  With the growing scrutiny of government databases and the extent of domestic surveillance, new questions are being raised about a program FBI Director Robert Mueller once said could pull in emails from U.S. citizens on domestic soil “as they come in.”

                  Mueller’s comments came during a routine Senate Judiciary Oversight Committee hearing in March 2011.

                   . . . .

                  “Going forward, which is all we need to be concerned about at this time, what can you tell us about new procedures that are in place that will head off another Fort Hood in the future?” then-Wisconsin Democratic Sen. Herb Kohl asked at the 2011 hearing.

                  Mueller replied: “We put in place technological improvements relating to the capabilities of a database to pull together past emails and future ones as they come in so that it does not require an individualized search.”


                  Much like Declan McCullagh's CNET story over the weekend, I'm not sure that the facts behind the Fox News story published today bear the interpretion spun onto them.

                   

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 9:44am

    Puerile and childish

    We'll Mansick is up to his usual standard, wow If I was a 8 year old school boy I might think this was funny.

    It's sad to see how Masnick thinks this is just some sort of joke for him to make a little extra money.

    And he copped some considerable flak from it too, But Masnick is simply too stupid to see what this kind of thing does to the tatters that are the left overs of whatever was left of his 'reputation'.

    Are those blank lines every single original thought that Masnick has ever had ?

    Masnick, no one quite knows what it is you do with your life, but one thing for sure, you don't know how to do 'funny'.

    We do know thought that Masnick has found his position in life, and is at least aware of his limitations.

    Who else would spend their entire lives cleaning the toilets of the internet and pasting them here.

    I hope you 15 diehard, cultist fans found this really funny, and that it was worth it for the slap in the fact this has done to your already deeply damaged 'reputation'.

    Masnick, you are really funny when you are trying to be serious, you are seriously bad when you are trying to be funny.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 9:51am

    Puerile and childish

    We'll Mansick is up to his usual standard, wow If I was a 8 year old school boy I might think this was funny.

    It's sad to see how Masnick thinks this is just some sort of joke for him to make a little extra money.

    And he copped some considerable flak from it too, But Masnick is simply too stupid to see what this kind of thing does to the tatters that are the left overs of whatever was left of his 'reputation'.

    Are those blank lines every single original thought that Masnick has ever had ?

    Masnick, no one quite knows what it is you do with your life, but one thing for sure, you don't know how to do 'funny'.

    We do know thought that Masnick has found his position in life, and is at least aware of his limitations.

    Who else would spend their entire lives cleaning the toilets of the internet and pasting them here.

    I hope you 15 diehard, cultist fans found this really funny, and that it was worth it for the slap in the fact this has done to your already deeply damaged 'reputation'.

    Masnick, you are really funny when you are trying to be serious, you are seriously bad when you are trying to be funny.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 11:10am

    Does NSA use Linux or Windows?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 1:27pm

    Actually he's having a great week. It's the trolls not doing so well as many of the community have figured out it's a waste of time to respond and just go ahead and hit the report button until the magic amount of people have buried the response.

    I'm curious how long post #89's visible life will be.

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 1:59pm

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      Run away from the dissenting views!!!! Just like Mikey preaches.

       

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    Anonymous, Jun 16th, 2013 @ 7:22pm

    My firewall just fended off an invasion attempt from something called asapnsa.

     

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