Oh, And One More Thing: NSA Directly Accessing Information From Google, Facebook, Skype, Apple And More
from the not-a-good-week-for-the-nsa dept
Obviously, the Verizon/NSA situation was merely a small view into just how much spying the NSA is doing on everyone. And it seems to be spurring further leaks and disclosures. The latest, from the Washington Post, is that the NSA has direct data mining capabilities into the data held by nine of the biggest internet/tech companies:
The technology companies, which participate knowingly in PRISM operations, include most of the dominant global players of Silicon Valley. They are listed on a roster that bears their logos in order of entry into the program: “Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, AOL, Skype, YouTube, Apple.” PalTalk, although much smaller, has hosted significant traffic during the Arab Spring and in the ongoing Syrian civil war.
Dropbox , the cloud storage and synchronization service, is described as “coming soon.”
This program, like the constant surveillance of phone records, began in 2007, though other programs predated it. They claim that they’re not collecting all data, but it’s not clear that makes a real difference:
The PRISM program is not a dragnet, exactly. From inside a company’s data stream the NSA is capable of pulling out anything it likes, but under current rules the agency does not try to collect it all.
Analysts who use the system from a Web portal at Fort Meade key in “selectors,” or search terms, that are designed to produce at least 51 percent confidence in a target’s “foreignness.” That is not a very stringent test. Training materials obtained by the Post instruct new analysts to submit accidentally collected U.S. content for a quarterly report, “but it’s nothing to worry about.”
Even when the system works just as advertised, with no American singled out for targeting, the NSA routinely collects a great deal of American content.
I expect we’ll be seeing more such revelations before long.
Filed Under: data, data mining, nsa, privacy, spying
Companies: aol, apple, dropbox, facebook, google, microsoft, paltalk, skype, yahoo
Comments on “Oh, And One More Thing: NSA Directly Accessing Information From Google, Facebook, Skype, Apple And More”
…Can someone remind me again why the NSA et al want a backdoor in all communications technology?
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Because terrorists.
Because America.
Because the children.
Because drugs.
Because gun violence.
Take your pick.
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Because piracy.
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because:
MOTHERFUCKIN’ EAGLES, bitchez…
its motherfuckin’ eagles all the way down…
art guerrilla
aka ann archy
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You forgot Piracy and Sheep. 😉
All the other stuff you mentioned though, they created or are creating themselves at this point.
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The NSA/CSS core missions are to protect U.S. national security systems and to produce foreign signals intelligence information
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That’s the mission, yes. And they’re true patriots, staffed and managed by human beings who would never, ever even consider abusing the systems under their control.
All for the greater good, of course.
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But…but…but…They have Core Values!
DNI Clapper misstated facts to Congress
In March, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper responded to a question from Senator Wyden. Then,tThe DNI said that NSA does not wittingly collect any type of data on millions of Americans.
That appears to be a mis-statement. NBC News reported tonight that DNI Clapper now clarifies that he was talking about email and not phone calls. But whether it’s emails or phone calls, it now appears to be a mis-statement.
Re: DNI Clapper misstated facts to Congress
Additional source?
?Clapper Clarifies Remarks Over NSA Snooping?, by Michael Hirsh, National Journal (via Yahoo!), June 6, 2013
Wyden: Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions or hundreds of millions of Americans?
DNI Clapper: No, sir.
Wyden It does not?
DNI Clapper: Not wittingly. There are cases where they could, inadvertently perhaps, collect ? but not wittingly.
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Wait, did the DNI just call the NSA witless?
I think at this point the only sane action is to shut down the NSA and do a very deep investigation in their operations. Also please imprison the execs.
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Sorry I meant arrest instead of imprison, want to give them due process after all 🙂
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Why give them due process when they won’t give us any?
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Because we’re better than them.
Oh Shit
Here comes OotB with his anti-Google rants…
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I would more congratulate Twitter and other top communication companies who refused to allow backdoor access for the US Administration and others.
Hi Speed Internet means
the NSA can access your info that much faster! That’s why I use a dial-up modem connected to a tin can and string connected to my commodore 64….even if I hadn’t already given all my money to the crown prince of Ethiopia (i’m waiting for my bazillion dollar check to come in the USPS anyday now) you couldn’t get my banking info off of my computator!
And get off my cyber-lawn!
So let me get this straight… the NSA use billions of dollars, break practically all rules about privacy in existence and lie about the whole thing; and the best they can come up with is a system that can do 1% better than tossing a coin… impressive.
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Eh, no.
If I was flipping a coin, I would get 50% of positives would test false and vice versa. The negative does not equal the positive, (That is, the number of people under survey are not equally split between ‘american’ and ‘not american’), so a coin flip would perform either much worse or much better. I suspect Americans are probably over-represented on American databases, but OTOH, there’s 5.7 billion non-americans in total vs. 0.3 billion Americans.
And then if the statement can be taken literally, then we’re dealing with confidence, not probability, so that’s another step removed and 51% is an odd number to use. Your confidence in a measurement is how sure you are that the true value falls within a certain range of the measurement. So I might say I have 99% confidence that there is a 19-20% probability of the next batch of mead also coming out sour. (Presumably my measurement would’ve been 19.5% of my batches are sour and my confidence interval would be +/- .5%)
The wider the interval, the higher the confidence, so if it DOES mean confidence, and in the way I took it, 51% implies a very tiny interval. In this case, the interval is probably centred around 100%.
“But then why would they say confidence instead of percent?”
Because the confidence interval grows and shrinks with data variability. The less it varies, the more certain that the prediction of the prediction is true.
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Thanks for the explanation and you are, of course, right. 🙂
I knew when I wrote it that it was not meant to be interpreted like that. Just thought it was a bit wonky wording used.
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Wonky? It’s absolutely bizarre!
Dropbox
If the NSA is about to get backdoor access into DropBox, does anyone have any thoughts about whether cloud encryption apps like CloudFogger or DigitalQuick or CryptSync (the 3 that first came up on a Goggle search) will provide any security (ignore the fact that AES256 may be breakable by the NSA)? None of these apps indicate how their key management is being done, so their keys maybe already be exposed to the NSA?
Not that I have anything to hide from the NSA, no, no, not me. My life is an open book.
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what about safemonk?
Does a users “foreignness” matter? If you live in Idaho, I guess it does, but is it so much better to spy on germans, swedes and brits who using these american services?
I’m pretty damn sure I’m foreign by any US standard, but I’m not allowed the protection of law from neither my own country or from the US? Gee. Guess I’m all fucked then huh?
I should start sending fake emails between made up google accounts containing the phrase “don’t forget to set the timer on the device” just to see how long it takes before the cops come banging on my door.
So, turnz owt I wuz rite about dat, as I habs been abowt ebbryfing else.
http://cheezburger.com/6522441728
Seriously, do you regard this as NEWS? I see that at least “BearGriz72” reads my posts (and thanks for the advance publicity, you embiggen my effect here, ankle-biter), so I can only conclude that Mike has consciously dodged associating NSA and Google (and the rest), but that’s now become untenable. — And on that line, this is just another routine roll-out to accustom the public to the new level of tyranny.
Take a loopy tour of Techdirt.com! You always end up same place!
http://techdirt.com/
Where Mike’s “no evidence of real harm” means he wants to let secretive mega-corporations continue to grow.
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Re: So, turnz owt I wuz rite about dat, as I habs been abowt ebbryfing else.
A broken clock is right twice a day.
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Not if it’s a digital clock. Then it’s just broke.
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no, then it’s right once a day – and broke
Re: Re: Re:2 So, turnz owt I wuz rite about dat, as I habs been abowt ebbryfing else.
This is more like a digital clock that broke with all the possible LED segments lit at the same time: he’s always right about everything given that you ignore all the things that are completely wrong.
Re: So, turnz owt I wuz rite about dat, as I habs been abowt ebbryfing else.
?Google cares deeply about the security of our users? data,? a company spokesman said. ?We disclose user data to government in accordance with the law, and we review all such requests carefully. From time to time, people allege that we have created a government ?back door? into our systems, but Google does not have a ?back door? for the government to access private user data.?
I like this part: ?We disclose user data to government in accordance with the law, and we review all such requests carefully.”
So, Google, are you telling me that someone has reviewed all the data that you give to the government? What was your basis for determining whether it was in accordance with the law and what law are you referring to?
Furthermore, are you willing to testify under oath that there is no back door for the government?
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Google can say anything they want.
Remember that Congress passed a law in about 2008 which grants all these companies immunity from prosecution by their users for “breaking the law” with the US Administration.
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They absolutley can, but they can’t lie under oath, can they?
Re: So, turnz owt I wuz rite about dat, as I habs been abowt ebbryfing else.
Masnick’s been in denial about his patron, Google for some time now. I’m sure it’s difficult walking around with all of that shit on his face.
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Please cite your sources for “his patron, Google”.
I’m curious to see what newsletter you are subscribing to.
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He can’t… he is simply full of shit. We have been through this ad nauseum. He has been proven wrong on that subject more times than I care to re-count.
Nigel
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+1 head pat for you, pissboy.
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Masnick was named by Google as one of its shills in the Oracle litigation. Look it up it is in the pleadings. Google also paid Masnick to write “The Sky Is Rising” laundering the payment through the CCIA.
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You are aware that paranoia and delusions of that level aren’t things to be proud of, right?
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First off, The “shilling” mentioned in the oracle case WAS the sky is rising report WHICH Mike had already disclosed.
Second, being paid by someone does not mean you have to be a mouthpiece for them and it’s entirlely possible to only accept payment for speaking if it does not contradict your own beliefs.
If you were an honest person(or paid attention) you’d note mike’s views are the same as before there even was a google to speak of.
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If you were an honest person(or paid attention) you’d note mike’s views are the same as before there even was a google to speak of.
Yes. And his blind devotion to his paymasters continued on and on as Google increasingly spied, violated privacy and abused its monopoly position. I guess that its acknowledged role as information gatherer-in-chief for the NSA finally ended his public adoration (and payments).
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The fact articles on google are not uniformly pro-google kind of blows the narritive you’ve cooked up out of the water.
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And your imagined rivalry with Mr. Masnick is fucking pathetic. “You” are fucking pathetic.
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+1 head pat for you too, lickspittle.
Re: Re: Re:6 So, turnz owt I wuz rite about dat, as I habs been abowt ebbryfing else.
Oh, and you’re brilliant too. How very quaint.
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You must be pretty damn new here if you think “Mike == Google shill” has any merit. Let me guess, you read trash like Lowery?
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Since when does Mike shill for Google?
Re: Re: Re:3 So, turnz owt I wuz rite about dat, as I habs been abowt ebbryfing else.
I believe it was just after the first world war.
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Google didn’t name any shills in the Oracle litigation and were pretty clear about that. Maybe you should reread the pleadings.
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Well if you stretch(extremely) the definition of ‘shill’ to ‘anyone who provides coverage of, or commentary on, a company’s actions’, then Mike would indeed have been proven to be a shill for google in the oracle case.
Of course by that same logic blue, AJ, bob, and any of the other trolls would count as shills for ‘Big Mike’, as they regularly comment on his actions and beliefs(both real and imaginary) on this site themselves.
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Have you just not been here every time Mike criticises google or are you intentionally ignoring that?
Re: This just in: Out_of_His_A$$ Proves he is a moron!
WTF? Seriously?
1) Of course this is news
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???? 2a: material reported in a newspaper or news periodical or on a newscast
???? 2b: matter that is newsworthy
2) Enclosing my handle in quotes? Implying that it not linked to an actual identity, really?
?????My name is Rick, the handle I have been consistently using on the internet since the mid 1990’s (Damn near 20 years) is BearGriz72. If you had even bothered to look at my profile, you would see that it links to my Google profile (I know you think Google is evil, I don’t, get over it), my twitter account, and even my LinkedIn profile (with my full name and a ton of information about me). Unlike you, who can’t even be bothered to register a profile name (there is no requirement to link it to a real identity, I just choose to), and then you complain when people impersonate you (and even register the name you have been using).
3) RE: “ankle-biter” — FUCK YOU BLUE.
?????I did not & do not post ANYTHING for your benefit, you are a troll, plain and simple, and we will all be better off if/when you give up and go away.
On the Bright Side
Whenever I can’t find my truck keys or the TV remote I just call NSA…
Microsoft was the first one to agree with this program. And the nerve on them to still do the “Scroogle” campaign. Unbelievable.
When Congress was after the White House e-mails for one of the many wrong-doings of that administration, and the White House claimed they were “accidentally” erased, I kept saying that all Congress need do if they really wanted that evidence, would be to subpoena the NSA. I’ve been maintaining they have copies of all cell phone convos and e-mails sent for about the last ten years.
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They have these copies for normal citizens. Politicians, lobbyists, etc. are above the law
Immunity for privacy violations
This is why CISPA is so dangerous. It aims to accomplish the same thing for domestic surveillance as the above laws did for surveillance of foreign citizens.
This is why our economy sucks
The rest of the world does not want to do business with American companies because their private data will be taken by the US Government.
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I have been saying that one for years myself when use any US service and you can be tracked.
Hopefully this will be a wake-up call where people abandon silicon valley companies in droves.
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Just got through watching a movie called “Track Down”. Pretty good flick. Picked it up today for $2.00.
not trying, doing?
How about the companies that participate unknowingly?
Collecting it all would be easier than trying to exclude the cat gifs.
NSA gagged
If the NSA sends itself a National Security Letter, surely they have to lie to the Senate Intelligence Committee?
Avoiding effective oversight would be a whole lot simpler if the NSA just issued the committee with a National Security Letter, thereby limiting their questions.
NSA, FBI secretly mining data from Internet firms…
‘THEY QUITE LITERALLY CAN WATCH YOUR IDEAS AS YOU TYPE’…
Top secret PRISM program…
MICROSOFTYAHOOGOOGLEYOUTUBEFACEBOOKSKYPEAPPLE…
Obama administration collecting phone records of millions daily…
Secret court order requires VERIZON to hand over ALL CALL DATA…
White House: Critical tool against ‘terrorist threats’…
Specifically targeted Americans, not foreigners…
‘Homeland Security’: Laptops, phones can be searched based on hunches…
NSA SEES ALL: Phone Sex, Banks, Emails…
CIA: We’ll Spy on You Through Your Dishwasher…
‘1984’ Published 64 Years Ago Today…
Now you know why we who support the second amendment do so so adamantly.
All of a sudden the guy sitting in the corner, wearing a tin foil hat doesn’t look quite as crazy anymore.
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He wasn’t. His name was William Binney, Bradley Manning, John Kiriakou…
They warned us along with other whistleblowers and they were punished harshly for telling the truth.
Did Intelligence Officials Lie to Congress?
?[UPDATED] Did Intelligence Officials Lie to Congress about NSA Domestic Spying??, by Sean Lawson, Forbes, June 6, 2013
(Emphasis is from cited story; not in original letter.)
Did that response intentionally misstate the facts?
We live in a police state.
To be secure we have tacitly approved them stripping away our rights and leaving only the illusion of them behind.
We are all to busy screaming about abortion, guns rights, terrorism, etc. to bother to notice. It is time to call your congress critter and ask them why this is acceptable. Then inform them they will be replaced unless they act to stop it.
We have gone through the looking glass, this is wholesale spying on Americans and they must be doing a piss poor job as they were unable to catch those banks helping terrorists hide their money.
This is not freedom, this is not democracy, this is insanity.
We have so many freedoms here…
The freedom to not hear about the government breaking the law, because they go after the whistle blowers.
The freedom to not share a private thought with another, without it being checked to see if it looks 51% like your a terrorist.
The freedom to have our personal document searched and seized at the border in constitution free zones that are pushing in on the country.
The freedom to protest, but only in designated zones where you will be photographed and placed under surveillance.
The freedom to fund a program that wastes money and exposed people to unknown amounts of radiation so some people hired form the tops of pizza boxes could see us naked.
9/11 was a horrible thing… but it fucking pales in comparison to the horrific dismantling of our rights and freedoms.
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9/11 was a horrible thing… but it fucking pales in comparison to the horrific dismantling of our rights and freedoms.
Makes you wonder if those 911 was a inside job conspiracy theories are true, shit now the NSA will be looking at my communications in more detail.
Now?
If ever there were a time to foment an rebellion it is now. An American Spring.
Every single one of you that took the oath to the Constitution – your oath demands your allegiance. There is no other precedent and there is no other law that supersedes the core text of that document. It is your superior.
If the Declaration of Independence is your king then your queen is surely the Constitution. Only their subjects can defend their reign. There is no heir. There are brigands and mercenaries embedded. Secrecy and deceit abrogate your rights.
If you find yourself on the floor of the Senate and hold your tongues in the face of treachery then you are treasonous, indeed. You hold your tongues to protect yourselves from jail? You have risked the freedoms and rights of all that you represent yet you are beholden to a cabal of secrecy that can not be reigned in, challenged nor tried?
There is no safety among traitors as there is no honor among thieves.
Do you truly believe that WE are so weak and that WE are in peril? Make your case! The King’s subjects will not be idled. Terror will never reign and The Freedoms are not for sale.
It is not a fine line that we walk. It is not a delicate balance. The babe that you deign to cradle does not cry.
Arm yourselves. Mind your tongues. Your government deceives you. Your country requires you.
Soon, all of you, must, inevitably, represent yourselves. Long live the king.
Re: Now?
Yeah… good luck with that. Extremists on both sides have so divided us that if there was to be a revolution we’d be too busy fighting each other to take on the real enemy.
Come the next election, don’t vote for the Big Two unless the candidate is proven to have stood against this crap.
the naming of things
Prism is a colorful euphemism for siphoning off private information and communications directly from company servers. I would prefer the name “vampire tap” which also has the basic meaning of creating a branch off a communications network for those old-timers who remember the yellow coaxial cables for Ethernet. It also has the more truthful connotation of sucking the lifeblood from the American people. Then again, maybe the younger crowd, who seem to idolize vampires, wouldn’t mind.
Microsoft
Now you all know why Microsoft wants an always connected xbox one with cameras.
It’s nothing to worry about, just be sure this mysterious computer program doesn’t key you in with it’s 51% confidence interval as being “too foreign”.
“The PRISM program is not a dragnet, exactly. From inside a company?s data stream the NSA is capable of pulling out anything it likes, but under current rules the agency DOES NOT TRY TO COLLECT IT ALL.”
-But they do right?? I mean since when did the government care about rules? Rules are only for common folks like us, are they releasing this supposedly 7-year-old news to divert us from their IRS fiasco?
Welcome to the biggest police state ever
…paid for by taxpayer money (I could think of so many better ways to blow a few hundred million dollars!)
contacted by two generals in one day on skype
well you tell me why I was contacted today by two generals after posting on my skype account jajajaja spies are everywhere! Is that just some kind of weird fluke, or are there Generals who (both happen to be my age) running around trying to find a date? I found this extremely weird, especially since I have made it quite clear that I do believe we are being spied on. They might need a warrant to pursue a person AFTER they figure out someone is bad, but meanwhile I really truly believe they are listening and reading our emails etc, and do not care if you have to have a warrant or not. That is what they were all haranguing about today, that no way they listen or read our emails. That they HAVE to have a warrant, but I know that is a bunch of malarkey. Anyhow I thought it really strange. I am wondering if it is possible to impersonate someone on skype? take care thanks Ramona Ray