Iran's New Jet Can Fly (In Photoshop, At Least)!

from the silly-dictator,-tricks-are-for-kids dept

You really start to get the feeling that some of these less-friendly nations aren't even trying anymore. We recently covered how North Korea tried to scare the bejeezus (technical term) out of the States with an incredibly strange movie about a man dreaming of the nuclear annihilation of America, except they used video game footage to produce it. This wasn't the first of such instances, but you begin to get the feeling that the attempts, at best, are not getting any better and, at worst, are getting even more lame. As someone who grew up in the 80's, I have to pine for the days when a possible enemy nation really put in the effort required to scare the hell out of me. The USSR did this extremely well, causing more people to build almost-certain-to-fail bomb shelters than The Discovery Channel would know what to do with. Each silly attempt only makes me shake my head, mostly because I have to wonder who these guys think they're going to fool in the era of the internet and its global group of fact-checkers.

Which brings us to the new fighter jet, unveiled by Iran and named the Qaher-313, which could well actually be able to fly, but you can't know that from the photoshopped pictures released to state run media. Here's a comparison between a stock image of Mount Damavand, a well-known natural landmark in Iran, and a suspiciously similar image with the new jet flying over it.


Look, it's not that the jet doesn't look pretty sweet flying over Mount Damavand, it's just that if the majority world opinion is that your country is still using Russian war technology because you can't build working models on your own, an easily-discovered photoshop of your plane... you know... actually flying probably isn't going to impress anyone. Put some effort into it, guys. At least figure out a way to alter the cloud formations, so they aren't identical.



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    Atkray (profile), Feb 20th, 2013 @ 1:45pm

    It's unfortunate

    Sadly the unmasking of this will probably get the person(s) that was told to create the image executed.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 20th, 2013 @ 1:47pm

    On the funny side I just read this.

    Arstechnica: Germans canít see meteorite YouTube videos due to copyright dispute

    Now that is scary.

     

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    Yakko Warner (profile), Feb 20th, 2013 @ 1:52pm

    It gets worse.

    Turns out the copy of Photoshop they used to generate the picture was pirated.

     

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    Yakko Warner (profile), Feb 20th, 2013 @ 1:55pm

    Re: It gets worse.

    Actually, thinking about that a bit, if that turned out to be true, we could just sit back while the "anti-piracy" cartel went after them. Probably be far more effective than any military action we've done there. Sure, it probably violates a few clauses of the Geneva Convention....

     

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    gorehound (profile), Feb 20th, 2013 @ 2:19pm

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    Yup ! GEMA Is A Piece Of Shit !!! And we all should feel bad for any of the Citizens of Germany.
    GEMA Must Die ! Maybe the next Meteor will land on their Main Offices.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 20th, 2013 @ 2:27pm

    At least they can't / don't kill innocent civilians with their machines in the skies.

     

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    Dark Helmet (profile), Feb 20th, 2013 @ 2:29pm

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    "At least they can't / don't kill innocent civilians with their machines in the skies."

    No, they're perfectly happy to do so in person on the ground.

     

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    Dennis S. (profile), Feb 20th, 2013 @ 2:33pm

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    Yup, saw that and submitted it here.

    GEMA is really sickening.

     

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    Matt, Feb 20th, 2013 @ 2:35pm

    Stuck in time

    Even the clouds in Iran are stuck in time. Those clouds have been stuck in the same place for the last 30 years.

     

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    silverscarcat (profile), Feb 20th, 2013 @ 2:35pm

    Just to point out...

    The jet is reflecting light off the lights that were used for the photoshoot.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 20th, 2013 @ 2:45pm

    Re: Re: It gets worse.

    Since when has the anti-piracy cartel been effective at anything except ripping people off? For them to be effective Iran would have to have something that we would want them to steal. They don't have any technology that's worth a shit. They don't appear to have any talent either. They really don't appear to have much money. Their land is pretty much a desert. What's of value that the cartel could steal? Oil? Maybe. But that takes effort to get and these guys don't like expending effort.

    As far as the Geneva Convention goes, when has the law, International or otherwise, made any difference to them?

     

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    Rekrul, Feb 20th, 2013 @ 2:48pm

    It's the MiG-31! Someone call Mitchell Gant! ;)

     

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    GMacGuffin (profile), Feb 20th, 2013 @ 2:51pm

    The underlying problem is ...

    ... that most of Iran's graphic designers became aeronautical engineers. (For the chicks of course. "I'm a rocket scientist" plays better.)

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 20th, 2013 @ 2:52pm

    Re: Re: Re: It gets worse.

    When wast the last time the targets of the anti-piracy lawyers actually had anything to take? They use the US government to go after those "threats."

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 20th, 2013 @ 3:03pm

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    as are we

     

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    Dark Helmet (profile), Feb 20th, 2013 @ 4:01pm

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    Before I respond, I'd have to know exactly which American action you're objecting to. It's not like they've all been wrong, you know....

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 20th, 2013 @ 4:06pm

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    I would have to ask you the same thing about the Iranian action

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 20th, 2013 @ 4:08pm

    No no no no, you got it all wrong. The jet is so sophisticated that it can control the cloud formations around it and cause them to look identical to a preexisting picture. They are merely showing off their power to control cloud formations.

     

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    Some Other AC (profile), Feb 20th, 2013 @ 4:20pm

    Re: Just to point out...

    I estimate that from the linked Ars Post
    http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/02/world-trembles-in-confusion-andor-fear-at-irans-fiberg lass-a irplane/
    It would image 4 that was used.

     

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    Dark Helmet (profile), Feb 20th, 2013 @ 4:20pm

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    Let's begin with 100's dead after largely peaceful protests during farcical elections, shall we?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%932010_Iranian_election_protests#Casualties

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 20th, 2013 @ 4:36pm

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    Very convincing source. A twitter user said 150 died.

    How about this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0

    I am sure there were countless instances like this of innocenct people murdered that we will never see.

    http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/01/22/detainee.documents/index.html

    The link above surpasses your kill count, and these are US detainees.

    http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,98759,00.html

    I could go on for a while with documented murders by the hands of US soldiers.

    Furthermore, if you think that attrocities commited by Iran are any comparison to what the US has done you are a fool.

    How many military bases does Iran have around the world to enforce their foriegn policy?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 20th, 2013 @ 4:41pm

    I was going to say banana republic but then I remembered that Iran doesn't have bananas.

     

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    Dark Helmet (profile), Feb 20th, 2013 @ 4:46pm

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    "The link above surpasses your kill count, and these are US detainees."

    Your link only counts 30 or so homicides as "unjustifiable", so not, that doesn't up the kill count. Beyond that, you're comparing enemy combatant detainees being killed, though deplorable if true, to a govt. killing it's own protesting citizens. They aren't even close to analogous, as you well know. Your comment on Wikipedia as a source is Luddite nonsense unworthy of a response.

    "I could go on for a while with documented murders by the hands of US soldiers."

    Again, in WAR. And if you want to call the Iraq or Afghanistan wars unjustified, you're free to make your case, but you'll be wrong. Citizen casualties are unfortunate, but strictly in war times, I'll value my country's lives over the enemies lives any day of the week. Try again.

    "Furthermore, if you think that attrocities commited by Iran are any comparison to what the US has done you are a fool."

    When judged against their capabilities? I don't think so. Plus, we then have to weigh all the good both sides do and see who comes up on top. I trust that isn't a wager you want to make, should you be sane.

    "How many military bases does Iran have around the world to enforce their foriegn policy?"

    Do you really doubt that the theocratic state of Iran would LOVE to have many more bases than the US has if they had the capability? That they haven't done something because they CAN'T is no point in your favor....

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 20th, 2013 @ 4:51pm

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    Might is right

     

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    Wally (profile), Feb 20th, 2013 @ 4:53pm

    Well this should settle things rather quickly:

    http://aviationintel.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/f313.2.jpg

    It isn't even flyable at all. The welding on that this is absolute crap....look underneath the wing with the light reactions.

    This is Iranian propaganda at its best.....comical at all levels....to those of us viewing it.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 20th, 2013 @ 4:57pm

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    A number of families and a great number of genera are present in Iran only in the Baluchi zone, which is the sole region where it is possible to grow bananas and various other tropical plants.

     

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    Dark Helmet (profile), Feb 20th, 2013 @ 5:04pm

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    That is one hell of a cop out, comrade....

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 20th, 2013 @ 5:29pm

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    Fair enough, but does not make it any less meaningful.

    "but strictly in war times, I'll value my country's lives over the enemies lives any day of the week."

    Good thing we are in a perpetual state of war so you can always justify the killing of human beings that live outside the made up lines of your country.

    "we then have to weigh all the good both sides do and see who comes up on top"

    Ah, the good things, you mean like enforcing copyright? Providing munitions to rebels?

    "comparing enemy combatant detainees being killed, though deplorable if true, to a govt. killing it's own protesting citizens."

    Here you go... from wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 20th, 2013 @ 5:34pm

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    And just because the have not began using real bullets yet, once the proles start protesting for the real reasons, you can bet your ass all the ammunition DHS has been buying will come to good use.

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/10/26/marine-veterans-skull-fractured-by-police-projectile-a t-occupy-oakland-protest/

     

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    Dark Helmet (profile), Feb 20th, 2013 @ 5:37pm

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    Kent State was an awful occurrence, rightly denounced by our free press. Are you arguing that the same can be said of what occurred in Iran?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 20th, 2013 @ 5:44pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: It gets worse.

    MegaUpload.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 20th, 2013 @ 5:56pm

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    That's because they aren't even welds. The thing is FIBERGLASS not metal. Read the arstechnica article.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 20th, 2013 @ 6:00pm

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    Look, there are many things that our government does that we aren't proud of. But at least we are free to criticize them for it openly without fear of simply "disappearing".

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 20th, 2013 @ 6:05pm

    Re: Re: Just to point out...

    Oh THAT is even funnier. They even used an already released photo of the plane. ROFLOL! That is rich!

     

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    Dark Helmet (profile), Feb 20th, 2013 @ 6:05pm

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    I have to assume on this point that you're saying "our government" meaning the United States, because that just isn't true of the Iranian government. I would never suggest you cannot decry certain actions by the USA. I do it myself quite regularly, as a writer on this site. But your assertion that we are somehow a murderous country with evil in our hearts is ridiculous....

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 20th, 2013 @ 6:20pm

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    That is exactly what I am doing, if you didn't notice.

    So, are you suggesting that we continue to let them do things we aren't proud of because they allow us to criticize them?

    What is the point of being able to do so if we don't?

    They raped us... but at least they used lube! The Iranians don't use lube so put a fucking smile on your face.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 20th, 2013 @ 6:29pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Not sure if you thought the other AC was me.

    "I would never suggest you cannot decry certain actions by the USA. I do it myself quite regularly, as a writer on this site."

    I realize this and respect it

    "your assertion that we are somehow a murderous country with evil in our hearts is ridiculous"

    Where did you get this idea? If it is based on my comments in this thread then the same can be said about your assertation that Iran is somehow a murderous country with evil in its heart.

     

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    Dark Helmet (profile), Feb 20th, 2013 @ 6:56pm

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    No, the point, which appears lost on some who wish to denigrate my fair country, is that democracy is an amoeba, meaning that it ebbs and flows like a conglomerate of living things, which of course it is. To point at one particular time and say, "Look! Bad!" may perhaps be satisfying, but is is a false method for truth.

    The same cannot be said of Iran, which has a rather amiable consistency of anti-freedom actions. Recall that it is you that chose to compare the two, for reasons I cannot surmise....

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 20th, 2013 @ 7:18pm

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    Of course. :)

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 20th, 2013 @ 7:20pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    And no I am not him. :)

     

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    Dark Helmet (profile), Feb 20th, 2013 @ 7:21pm

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    Either way, I enjoyed this discussion. I think it's incredibly easy for our fellow patriots to dip into the talking points without any knowledge of the history of the world, our nations, or the matter at hand. Such discussions devolve, naturally, into meaningless the like of which should be familiar to anyone who watches cable news.

    That two disparate thinkers can discuss these things openly is a beautiful thing....

     

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    Wally (profile), Feb 20th, 2013 @ 7:28pm

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    Either way those bumps have got to be interfering with the flight dynamics of the aircraft.

     

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    Wally (profile), Feb 20th, 2013 @ 7:39pm

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    Harkens to my home state DH. A private investigation revealed that in fact, an FBI Issue .38 Smith and Wesson Revolver fired the first shot.


    Kent State was a very terrible tragedy in deed. You know the infamous photo where the dead body of a student was being carried into an ambulance on a gurney? My 7th grade phys. ed teacher was about 2 feet to the left just off camera.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 20th, 2013 @ 8:07pm

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    Furthermore, I think I can speak for most Americans when I say, in our criticisms of Iran, we don't mean the Iranian people but rather the Iranian government by and large.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 20th, 2013 @ 8:10pm

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    I whole heartedly agree.

     

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    Wally (profile), Feb 20th, 2013 @ 8:56pm

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    Let me tell you about the DHS. There's not much to say when either FoxNews Network or MSNBC complains about them as that is known as bias media. Admittedly Techdirt also seemed bias at times but usually were right about the waste of money by the DHS. The conformation of that is that a local news broadcaster in my area (WTTE-Columbus) started complaining about how much money Ohio alone spends funding the DHS..it neared just below $1-billion a year. You want to talk about too much expenditure....the DHS is a prime target.

     

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    Anonymous, Feb 20th, 2013 @ 9:48pm

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    If I recall correctly, Ben Kenobi said that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our point of view.
    And as Grand Moff Tarkin would say, this bickering is pointless.

     

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    Anonymous, Feb 20th, 2013 @ 9:58pm

    All these comments and nary a mention of the US-produced fake Bin Laden videos?

     

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    Anonymous, Feb 20th, 2013 @ 10:06pm

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    "...your assertion that we are somehow a murderous country with evil in our hearts is ridiculous". Yes, because allowing the ripping apart and killing of unborn human beings and enshrining that as a "right" is something only a good, loving, righteous country would do, huh?

     

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    Anonymous, Feb 20th, 2013 @ 10:17pm

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    Ninja (profile), Feb 21st, 2013 @ 2:43am

    F/14 Hornet Jet Fighter: Mission Iran

    We have to admit that despite blatant cloud immobility and ethereal light sources it looks cool ;)

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 21st, 2013 @ 4:42am

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    [citation please]

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 21st, 2013 @ 4:46am

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    Yeah what's with their explanation for the non daylight colored light sources, aurora borealis?

     

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    Dark Helmet (profile), Feb 21st, 2013 @ 5:04am

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    So you simply think that the use of bombs in any situation ever is wrong?

     

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    Ninja (profile), Feb 21st, 2013 @ 5:54am

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    No you! Those are the sacred lights of Allah shining in this new marvel of the Iranian might designed to crush the infidels! Aurora Borealis has scientific explanations, we refuse those unless they are nuclear for pacific uses!

     

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    The Real Michael, Feb 21st, 2013 @ 5:58am

    ...And we're supposed to be afraid of Iran? What are they going to do, Photoshop a nuke?

     

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    nasch (profile), Feb 21st, 2013 @ 8:46am

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    The link above surpasses your kill count

    I think it's fruitless to try to analyze which country is "better" based on body counts. Has the US killed more people than Iran since Iran became a country (whenever that was)? I would think so. Is that because the US is more evil? I don't think so. Does it mean the world would be better if more countries were more like Iran and less like the US? I doubt it.

     

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    nasch (profile), Feb 21st, 2013 @ 8:47am

    Re: Just to point out...

    The jet is reflecting light off the lights that were used for the photoshoot.

    And what are all those blue artifacts around the tail?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 21st, 2013 @ 8:59am

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    Oh Alex Jones, yeah he's credible. I remember watching him for entertainment value back in the late 90's when he was on public access cable. He was a nut job then and still is. Do you have any citations from people who don't wear tin foil hats?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 21st, 2013 @ 9:14am

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    If they are going to just make shit up, why not just go all the way with it? Why not just claim you have some new technologically advanced propulsion system that is completely unknown to the western world. Why even claim mastery of stealth technology? Why not sat that the technology you have developed makes detection of the aircraft irrelevant since it isn't able to be harmed by conventional technology. I mean, if you're just going to make the shit up, why not just go big? But wait, that would take creativity, when they can't even be creative enough to use a different picture of the thing than they previously released. Oh yeah. That's why.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 21st, 2013 @ 9:20am

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    If you want to mind something better, here's a suggestion. Why don't you try searching The Onion? Even they have more credibility than Alex Jones.

     

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    DCX2, Feb 21st, 2013 @ 9:28am

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    Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Those were civilian cities. They were not valid military targets. I do believe their kill count far exceeds anything the Iranians have ever done. By a few orders of magnitude.

    Of course, that's just direct actions. Will we take responsibility for our indirect actions? It's kind of funny when you think about it, actually; we had Saddam Hussein hanged for using the chemical weapons that we sold to him. However, we sold them to him so he would use them on the Iranians, and when he used them on the Kurds - after they tried to assassinate him - well, we didn't like that as much.

    Do we share any culpability for selling Saddam Hussein chemical weapons, knowing full well he intended to use them against the Iranians? I guess we justified it because the Iranians had overthrown the Shah a few years earlier and we were probably a little upset about losing control of Iran. Do you remember the Shah? He was chosen to control the Iranian government when the CIA-instigated coup overthrew the democratically elected government of Iran back in 1953.

    What about all the innocent people who die as a result of our sanctions? For example, there were many sanctions in place against Iraq during the 90s. Infant mortality went from better-than-world-average to less-than-world-average in just two years of sanctions which lasted more than a decade. Experts estimate at least 100,000 excess deaths among children can be attributed to the sanctions, up to a possible 500,000 excess deaths among children. Mind you, that total is just children, it doesn't include any adults who died as a result of sanctions. Once again, I think those sanctions have killed orders of magnitude more people than any Iranian action to date.

     

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    Richard Hack (profile), Feb 21st, 2013 @ 12:03pm

    Plane probably does fly

    One analysis I saw - as opposed to all the Iran-bashing ones - actually made sense.

    It indicated that based on the design the plane probably isn't intended to be "stealth" or even much of a high-altitude fighter. It's probably intended to be an "anti-helicopter" plane. This is because the US Navy will be using anti-submarine and anti-small boat helicopters to prevent Iran from laying mines in the Persian Gulf in the event of a war. Having a small jet that could fly flow, be hard to detect or maneuver against by regular fighter hets, and make mince-meat of helicopters would be a strategic asset.

    Personally I doubt they would survive long against US air superiority once achieved, but the concept makes sense.

    Most of the Iran-bashing articles just don't get that this was a mockup, not an actual plane. Wait until a test unit rolls off the assembly line to decide whether it will fly or not.

    Meanwhile, keep this in mind: There is ZERO evidence that Iran has ANY interest whatsoever in nuclear weapons. ALL the real evidence - and logic - points the other way. ALL the ALLEGED evidence has been debunked by one expert or journalist or another. The notion that Iran is pursuing nuclear weapons is PRECISELY the same BS that Iraq was pursuing "WMDs" - and for the same reasons.

     

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    Anonymous, Feb 21st, 2013 @ 1:36pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Are you the one who asked for citation? If so, you got what you asked for. If you don't like the citations provided, go do your own research.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 21st, 2013 @ 9:23pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    You simply think that killing 72 to 155 alleged civilians per year in 2011 (in Pakistan alone) justifies preemptive attacks upon alleged millitants (totaling 330 to 575)?

    So about 2 to 8 alleged millitants per civilian murdered in a country we are not at war with is not wrong? Interesting perspective.

    Source (pg.23): http://web.law.columbia.edu/sites/default/files/microsites/human-rights-institute/files/COLUMBIACoun tingDronesFinal.pdf

    ...more on the site as well: http://web.law.columbia.edu/human-rights-institute/counterterrorism/drone-strikes/counting-drone-str ike-deaths


    "call the Iraq or Afghanistan wars unjustified, you're free to make your case, but you'll be wrong"

    What about Pakistan and Yemen? We at jusitfied war there buddy?

    And, just saw this on the secrecy angle: http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/02/graham-drones/

    If the use of bombs isn't wrong, why don't they just tell the truth?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 21st, 2013 @ 9:28pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Also, I'm pretty sure the 2nd AC that you thought was me was talking about abortions... and I don't think they use bombs in that situation.

    Although, I hope this comment of yours was intended for me: "Either way, I enjoyed this discussion... That two disparate thinkers can discuss these things openly is a beautiful thing."

     

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    Dark Helmet (profile), Feb 22nd, 2013 @ 2:34pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    Prison Planet and What Really Happened? Please, don't make me laugh....

     

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    Anonymous, Feb 22nd, 2013 @ 5:04pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Like I said, then, go do your own research.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 23rd, 2013 @ 4:08pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=159PM7ZKcv0

    Government killing its people... no due process

     

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    PRMan, Feb 27th, 2013 @ 3:34pm

    Re: Re: Just to point out...

    Bluescreen. You don't think they ACTUALLY know how to use Photoshop, do you?

     

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    iranian, Feb 27th, 2013 @ 10:44pm

    iranian jeet

    Iran didn't say that qhaher313 is flying but is going to fly very soon.you are liar about all we(Iranian) do and during more than 30 years it's clear to all. you kill the people around the world from Iraq to Afghanistan ,Pakistan,Mali,... and al ghaede group(ben ladan=your president bush friend) is your group that help you to war against other country that you don't like them!!
    actually you are not human?! Hiroshima-Nagasaki remember please!!
    now killing Syrian people and and and,...
    stop joking please!!!!!!!!

     

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    iranian, Feb 27th, 2013 @ 10:50pm

    Re: Re: Re: Just to point out...

    when talking about Iran wash your mouth then say what you know .

     

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    nasch (profile), Feb 28th, 2013 @ 8:33am

    Re: iranian jeet

    now killing Syrian people

    The US is killing Syrians?

     

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