Hollywood Studio IP Addresses Sharing Hollywood Movies Via BitTorrent

from the well-look-at-that... dept

The folks over at TorrentFreak teamed up with BitTorrent monitoring firm Scaneye to look and see if files being shared via BitTorrent happened to be coming from some IP addresses held by the big Hollywood studios... and they found what appears to be tons of Hollywood flicks shared from Hollywood studio IP addresses. Of course, plenty of caveats apply: it's possible that these are super ham-fisted honeypots for copyright trolling, in which they're recording the IP addresses of downloaders. It's possible that the system is wrong. It's possible that the IP address information is wrong. But... it's also possible that some employees at these studios are (whether on purpose or not) using BitTorrent and sharing films -- sometimes films from other studios. For example, they found a Paramount Pictures IP address sharing Happy Feet, which is a Warner Bros. film.
In the end, there could be any number of reasons they were able to find these results, but given that when the shoe is on the other foot, the studios and other copyright holders seem to insist that a single IP address is proof positive of liability, doesn't it seem reasonable to question the studios about this bit of evidence as well?


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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 26th, 2012 @ 10:58am

    "Of course, plenty of caveats apply"

    Caveat shmaveat. All that matters is: how many strikes is that?

    We have to be fair and give the studios the same treatment given to the common citizen: assume that they are guilty and punish them accordingly.

     

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      Ed Allen, Dec 26th, 2012 @ 11:19am

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      How do we submit these web sites to ICE as "notorious pirate sites" ?

      Or do we have to bribe an MPAA employee to do it for us ?

       

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      Jesse (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 8:17pm

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      If the proper copyright holder gives you a copy of a movie, is it illegal to download it? They have the distribution rights...don't they?

      If they don't have the distribution rights, then they are breaking the law, just as much if not more than many sites taken down by ICE.

      If I put all my stuff on my front lawn and with a sign that says, "Help Yourself," do I get to charge you with stealing after the fact?

      I don't get how downloading off a honeypot is illegal.

       

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    average_joe (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 10:59am

    Yes! You got 'em, Mike! Hooray!

    [Do you really sit around all day and think about how much you hate the MPAA? Seems like it.]

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Dec 26th, 2012 @ 11:05am

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      "[Do you really sit around all day and think about how much you hate the MPAA? Seems like it.]"

      Coming from the guy who spent DAYS going "WHY WON'T YOU DEBATE ME?!?! RAWR!!!" this has to be the most hilarious and hypocritical thing ever.

      [tips hat to AJ]

      Congratulations for showing your hypocrisy knows no bounds. Good on you!

       

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        average_joe (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 11:42am

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        Mike won't discuss lots of things. He spouts out high-level nonsense but runs away when someone wants to get specific. I think that's bullshit and I point it out.

        It's cute though how you're obsessed with me. Thanks for the compliment.

         

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          Shadow Dragon (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 12:04pm

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          That wasn't the answer to question to what I asked as predicted you dodge it and turn about Mike when I want to know of you're truly represent your position then why your argument are so predictable? As I suspect with any other troll like you.

          Here's your troll report card.
          Anonyance;F
          Deabate Skills;f
          Entertaining; F
          Overall:F

           

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          Anonymous Coward, Dec 26th, 2012 @ 2:34pm

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          "It's cute though how you're obsessed with me. Thanks for the compliment."

          [clears throat]

          Ahem, let me repeat myself, "Coming from the guy who spent DAYS going "WHY WON'T YOU DEBATE ME?!?! RAWR!!!" this has to be the most hilarious and hypocritical thing ever."

          You really suck with your dismissive responses by the way. I mean if you're going to say something make sure it doesn't apply more to you than the person you're saying it to. Derailing article after article for days on end saying "WHY WON'T YOU DEBATE ME?!?! RAWR!!!" is BEYOND obsessive. Your "I will reveal him for the charlatan he is!!!" vendetta against Mike shows YOU are beyond obsessed with him.

          But again, your hypocrisy knows no bounds. Good on you!

           

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          Tex Arcana (profile), Dec 27th, 2012 @ 7:07pm

          "out_of_the_blue" troll is still a troll...

          Dude, hiding behind a dupe name isn't going to help you get anywhere, out_of_the_blue: you're a moronic troll, and always will be. Just come out of your troll closet and be all the idiot you can be.

           

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      Shadow Dragon (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 11:06am

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      Are you for real or some chattrbot? Because you're so predictable that's so not funny.Yet you didn't bother response to my last question. Which is if you're truly support your position on copyright then why do you post the same old predictable arguments?

       

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      Rikuo (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 11:06am

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      Notice, people, how AJ completely ignores (albeit not 100% iron cast) evidence that movie studios are committing the very act they deplore others for.

       

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        average_joe (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 11:39am

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        This is certainly evidence. Of what, I'm not sure.

         

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          Anonymous Coward, Dec 26th, 2012 @ 11:44am

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          I bet you'd be sure if there were 10.000 alleged infringers on the receiving end of a copyright lawsuit.

          But since it's just the studios screwing each other, you wave your hand like it's no big deal.

           

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            average_joe (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 11:55am

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            This could be infringement, or it could be them monitoring the internet for violations of their rights. I don't know and neither do you.

             

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              Anonymous Coward, Dec 26th, 2012 @ 12:07pm

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              "it could be them monitoring the internet for violations of their rights"

              Sony is checking for infringement on 20th Century Fox stuff?

              Riiiight. You believe that.

               

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                average_joe (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 12:24pm

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                OMG, or maybe someone infringed! Yes! You got 'em, guys! Hooray! Next you'll tell me that one of them drinks and drives and cheats on his taxes. It's almost like they employ human beings. Wow!

                 

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                  Rikuo (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 12:33pm

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                  The way P2P works is people share pieces of the file. If this evidence is true, then the studios are part of the torrent swarm: meaning, they are actively either solely downloading (which is still infringement, especially as the evidence above notes studios are downloading other studios works, so that alone destroys your pathetic attempt at an argument) or they are downloading and uploading, meaning they are actively sharing the works with other people, meaning an implied licence to share those works. To put it in physical terms, it's like they have a stand in the middle of the street with a big sign saying "FREE DVDS!" and allowing people to copy the discs freely. To then try and target, or even think of targeting, those who partake of what they are offering is completely and one hundred percent, bogus.

                   

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                  Anonymous Coward, Dec 26th, 2012 @ 12:37pm

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                  So maybe they infringe, maybe they drink and drive and maybe they cheat on their taxes, and they're not criminal scum, but human beings?

                  Now that's what I call progress!

                   

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                  Anonymous Coward, Dec 26th, 2012 @ 1:15pm

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                  If they expect google to police the internet you would hope they could at least police their own network? I mean piracy is killing them all shouldn't they be concerned about their employees killing the other movie companies? Or maybe this is their way of taking down the competition!? If WB can pirate enough movies from Sony they will bankrupt them right?

                   

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                  PaulT (profile), Dec 27th, 2012 @ 4:40am

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                  Wow, what a hypocrite. If an individual or small business is accused of anything like this, you're the first one to bleat about how it's the law, it's the letter and not spirit of the law that matters and that people breaking the law should be punished even if it's counterproductive and excessive.

                  Yet, no problem here, it's a large corporation doing wrong, we should just shrug it off because it's not a real crime and people are only human after all?

                  Wow.

                   

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              Rikuo (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 12:08pm

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              "or it could be them monitoring the internet for violations of their rights."

              Them being the movie studios I assume...did you not read the fucking article? It was "TorrentFreak teamed up with BitTorrent monitoring firm Scaneye". Nowhere in this article did it say that the studios were monitoring for violations of their rights.
              Even if they were...why would they monitor themselves? This evidence allegedly (dunno why I give them the grace of saying allegedly, since they've yet to return the favour) says the studios are torrenting their own movies, and that of their competitors.

               

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              Gnudist, Dec 26th, 2012 @ 12:09pm

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              You just proved anonymous coward's point silly Joe

               

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                average_joe (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 12:22pm

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                I think the real story is that you desperados think this is a story that actually matters. I can see how excited you and Mike and the pirate gang all get about it. Too funny.

                 

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                  Rikuo (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 12:36pm

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                  Explain to us again, how this story DOESN'T matter? We've got the movie studios and music labels on a rampage, threatening lawsuits against tens of thousands of people based solely on IP addresses...and here we have evidence alleging the movie studios are guilty of the same.
                  Look up the word hypocrisy in the dictionary, maybe that will clear things up for you.

                   

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                    Anonymous Coward, Dec 26th, 2012 @ 7:11pm

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                    Actually, and more to the point, it seems more indicative of their new business plan: to lawyer in millions and millions of dollars without ever producing anything worth even watching. Yeah, they get lucky and spew out something halfways decent from time to time, but that doesn't make the same big bucks as suing everyone.

                     

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                  PaulT (profile), Dec 27th, 2012 @ 4:48am

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                  "I can see how excited you and Mike and the pirate gang all get about it."

                  Why does everybody on the "other side" of this issue need to be not only pathological liars, but incapable of making any point whatsoever that doesn't involve lying about the very people you're talking to?

                   

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                  Tex Arcana (profile), Dec 27th, 2012 @ 7:24pm

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                  You and out_of_the_blue: industry shills. Probably the same "person", probably some junior lawyer looking for some asslicking opportunities to move up; and therefore trying to collect "evidence" against us "pirates" for our "illegal downloading". :rolleyes:

                  Well, if yer such a hotshot "legal eagle", bring your über h4x0r1n6 skilz to the table and out us for what we are: a bunch of "freeloading pirate criminals that should be locked up and beaten daily for daring to think we actually have RIGHTS!!"

                  Bring it, bitch. We're waiting... And we will make you scream like the little bitch you are when you do.

                  Fucking moron. Die in a fire.

                   

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              MrWilson, Dec 26th, 2012 @ 12:10pm

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              Apparently you don't understand how the torrent protocol works. They're participating in a swarm, even if it is for the purpose of monitoring. According to IP maximlaist legal arguments, that makes them a part of the criminal conspiracy.

               

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                average_joe (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 12:21pm

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                You guys are too much. Maybe it's a couple of employees being naughty. I bet some look at porn too. Next you'll tell that employees there drive over the speed limit. Wow!! You guys (Mike most especially) are so terribly desperate to discredit the MPAA that it's hilarious. TD is a barrel of laughs every time.

                 

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                  Gwiz (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 12:30pm

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                  Maybe it's a couple of employees being naughty. I bet some look at porn too. Next you'll tell that employees there drive over the speed limit.

                  It probably is some employees doing what they shouldn't on company equipment, BUT, it is a very strong argument against automatically laying blame on an account holder of an IP address instead of the actual responsible person for infringement, isn't it?

                   

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                  btr1701 (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 12:32pm

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                  > Maybe it's a couple of employees being naughty.

                  And if it is, they should be treated exactly the same as Big Content treats any other company whose employees are naughty. Massive fines and loss of internet connection after three strikes.

                  Or do you not believe in applying the law fairly and equally to all?

                   

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                  Berenerd (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 12:43pm

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                  One would think that, if you don't want your employees doing something on the internet, you would block it. its quite simple to block torrent sites and porn sites. What is your next theory?

                   

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                  MrWilson, Dec 26th, 2012 @ 7:10pm

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                  I bet Jammie Thomas-Rasset drives over the speed limit too sometimes. Should she be bankrupted for life with excess speeding fines also?

                   

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                  Tex Arcana (profile), Dec 27th, 2012 @ 7:26pm

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                  Who needs to be desperate?? They discredit themselves all the fucking time!!

                  Hell, just like you do to yourself!!

                   

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              Anonymous Coward, Dec 26th, 2012 @ 12:23pm

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              So the content industry is given all the benefit of doubt, while alleged 'pirate freetards' get zilch. Wonderful standards.

               

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                average_joe (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 12:27pm

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                And your standard is what, that everyone gets a benefit of a doubt except for the MPAA?

                 

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                  Rikuo (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 12:39pm

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                  Actually...YES!!! With multiple exclamation marks. It was the movie studios and music labels who started the trend toward threatening lawsuits against random people with nothing more than an IP address. This isn't the first time this story has come to light. I remember a similar story, here
                  http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111221/03240317155/riaas-response-to-infringement-via-its-ip-ad dress-is-to-note-someone-else-did-it.shtml

                  There they just waved their hand and said "Oh it must have been somebody else" which is an option they have NEVER offered to the people at the wrong end of a threatened lawsuit.

                   

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                  btr1701 (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 2:00pm

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                  > And your standard is what, that everyone
                  > gets a benefit of a doubt except for the MPAA?

                  No, just that the MPAA members are held to the same standard to which they'd hold everyone else.

                   

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                  Anonymous Coward, Dec 26th, 2012 @ 4:12pm

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                  The point is that these people's trade organisations are the ones that pushed rather hard for a rule that stated ISPs must disconnect people on three accusations of infringement.

                  Therefore, going by the above image alone, there are more than three accusations of infringement in that image: thus all the companies involved must be removed from the internet, regardless of their intent.

                  After all, they did write the law...

                   

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                    Tex Arcana (profile), Dec 27th, 2012 @ 7:36pm

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                    Please note that this all hinges upon "accusations", and not firm and confirmed PROOF of such "infringement".

                    It's like the police busting into my home and arresting me, convicting me, and throwing me in jail just because they thought I'd break the speed limit by 1 mph... A year from now.

                    "guilty until proven innocent" is still fucking wrong under our legal system, no matter who bribes whom to try and make it otherwise.

                     

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            Anonymous Coward, Dec 26th, 2012 @ 11:59am

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            This is called "Do as I say, not as I do."

             

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        Anonymous Coward, Dec 26th, 2012 @ 1:43pm

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        It's a honey pot. Duh.

         

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        Tex Arcana (profile), Dec 27th, 2012 @ 7:12pm

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        Illegal sting operations are just that: illegal. And they apply to everyone.

        Well, unless you're the MAFIAA or a politician or lobbyist or corporate CEO or out_of_the_blue: then, you're immune to the mundane laws of the rabble, the great unwashed masses, who MUST be punished for your sins!!

        Fuck it: stockpile your weapons, and be ready to shoot the motherfuckers when they come to take you. It's the only way.

         

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      btr1701 (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 11:13am

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      > [Do you really sit around all day and
      > think about how much you hate the MPAA?
      > Seems like it.]

      Not as much as it seems like you sit around and think about how much you hate Mike.

       

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        average_joe (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 11:38am

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        Not as much as it seems like you sit around and think about how much you hate Mike.

        You guys think about that way more than me.

         

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          btr1701 (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 12:25pm

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          > You guys think about that way more than me.

          All evidence to the contrary.

           

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            average_joe (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 12:34pm

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            I think of myself as pushing him to be a better person. I do realize how futile that goal is, though. Mike's never going to be an open, human, and awesome person. He's just going to be a propagandist and a hater. It's a shame. I think he's really smart and could add so much positivity to the debate.
            All he brings is bitterness and dishonesty. I don't hate him. But I don't respect him either. I think he's resigned himself to being the type of person I just can't respect. That's a real shame.

             

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              Rikuo (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 12:41pm

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              A propagandist, for one, doesn't cite factual evidence to support their case (because there logically cannot be any).

              Mike does cite evidence. All the time. In every article.

               

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                Anonymous Coward, Dec 26th, 2012 @ 1:20pm

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                Propaganda can be factual. I can present factual evidence in a one-sided manner or selectively pick facts to create propaganda.

                Not saying that Mike is a propagandist just that propaganda and facts are not mutually exclusive.

                 

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                Anonymous Coward, Dec 26th, 2012 @ 4:13pm

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                To be fair, AJ does tend to cite legal cases when they're relevant, even if I disagree with his assertions.

                So there's that.

                 

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              btr1701 (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 2:02pm

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              > I think of myself as pushing him to be a
              > better person

              Yes, most people who are delusional have some self-created rationalization for their obsessive lunatic behavior.

               

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                Anonymous Coward, Dec 26th, 2012 @ 3:24pm

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                Reminds me of a guy who was married and was asking everybody in the office if he should cheat on his wife.

                He was not really in doubt he wanted it to, what he really want was to someone to show him a good excuse to do it.

                People are funny that way.

                 

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              btrussell (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 6:41pm

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              "I think of myself as pushing him to be a better person."
              You should be more concerned with improving yourself.

               

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          Anonymous Coward, Dec 26th, 2012 @ 3:17pm

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          You do understand you outed yourself to anybody who still had doubts right?

           

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      Anonymous Coward, Dec 26th, 2012 @ 1:21pm

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      ROFL Do you see the irony in what he just said people?

      Well average_joe probably did not because lets be honest when people make a username they like to beef it up a bit. Nice try below_average_joe.

       

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      Anonymous Coward, Dec 26th, 2012 @ 1:44pm

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      2,995 posts from you on TD. Who is it that is sitting around all day hating? Yet, here you are berating the site, the owner, and the readers. Your view of others as "ankle biters" is another bit of insight into the creepy person you really are. Why do you use the nick Average_Joe?

       

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        Rikuo (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 2:00pm

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        I'm gonna go off the deep end and compare Average_Joe to Hitler: Joe accusing others of being haters all day long with 2,995 posts of mostly just that, makes as much sense as a short, black/brown haired (which is it?) man saying that tall, blue-eyed, blonde haired men are the Master Race.

         

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          nasch (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 6:50pm

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          Joe accusing others of being haters all day long with 2,995 posts of mostly just that, makes as much sense as a short, black/brown haired (which is it?) man saying that tall, blue-eyed, blonde haired men are the Master Race.

          Don't forget he was part Jewish.

           

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        PaulT (profile), Dec 27th, 2012 @ 5:10am

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        Hey, at least he's got enough of a shred of honesty to log in with a username, allowing people to not only see how much he's posting, but access a history of what he's said and distinguish it from the statements of others.

        If the more obnoxious ACs and OOTB did the same, the numbers and obsessed ranting would be an epic read, to say the least.

         

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          btr1701 (profile), Dec 27th, 2012 @ 10:03am

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          > Hey, at least he's got enough of a shred
          > of honesty to log in with a username,
          > allowing people to not only see how much
          > he's posting, but access a history of what
          > he's said and distinguish it from the
          > statements of others.

          Except he doesn't always. He posts anonymously almost as often as he uses his screen ID.

           

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 26th, 2012 @ 11:00am

    Lol.

     

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    Mesonoxian Eve (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 11:01am

    I don't see Warner Bros. suing Paramount anytime soon.

    Paramount's probably just happy someone downloaded Happy Feet.

     

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    Ed C., Dec 26th, 2012 @ 11:03am

    Does this mean the studios' ISPs have to kick them of the Internet?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 26th, 2012 @ 11:06am

    If these movie studios now come out and say that the IP address does not prove it was their studio that committed the infringement or that the IP address has been faked then this will blow a very big hole in the arguments of those arguing with stating that an IP address proves who the infringer is. How can the copyright trolls and the MPAA etc. now sue infringers when their arguements that an IP address has now shown to be false.

     

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      Baldaur Regis (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 12:40pm

      Re:

      Unasked questions are seldom answered. This question - have people at these studios engaged in copyright infringement - will be very carefully unasked by any news outlet that 'matters'. And the old cliche will remain - "if it's not reported, it didn't happen".

       

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      That Anonymous Coward (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 3:41pm

      Re:

      Because 6 strikes technology was reviewed by a former lobbyist for the RIAA who stands to make ongoing money monitoring the system.
      Oh that and 6 strikes isn't a law or legal, just corporate law being forced on consumers.

       

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    Trevor (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 11:13am

    Strategy

    Am I the only one who thinks maybe some employees at certain movie studios are "sharing" movies from competing studios to undermine their sales? If they believe piracy is such a problem, it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to think that by adding copies of competitors' movies to torrent sites, they think it is hurting that other company's sales...

    I mean, it IS business...

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Dec 26th, 2012 @ 12:49pm

      Re: Strategy

      It is unlikely that it doesn't happen at all. On the other hand it is hard to say since the internet works like it does. The world leaders will need a lot more power to actually tame the internet and even then it will be possible to essentially cheat the half of the worlds population doing the surveillance.

       

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    out_of_the_blue, Dec 26th, 2012 @ 11:15am

    IF "some employees at these studios are",

    "(whether on purpose or not) using BitTorrent and sharing films" then they're criminals TOO (unless actually authorized as for a honey-pot). See how simple this is, Mike?

    You haven't made ANY point here except to show how you strain to somehow tarnish Hollywood. -- AS IF you're up to that, sonny. They're experts at self-tarnishing, and revel in it.

     

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      Ed C., Dec 26th, 2012 @ 11:21am

      Re: IF "some employees at these studios are",

      You're right blue, they are criminals. About time you admitted it.

      /sarc

       

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        out_of_the_blue, Dec 26th, 2012 @ 11:28am

        Re: Re: IF "some employees at these studios are",

        @ Ed C., Dec 26th, 2012 @ 11:21am

        Re: IF "some employees at these studios are",
        You're right blue, they are criminals. About time you admitted it.

        /sarc
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        I admit I'm right all the time! What's your point?

        Oh, okay, I've dumbed down and get your mistake: Mike wrote "some employees" -- while you obviously read that as "studios" and just assume that the obvious reasons Mike also lists can't be the actuality.

        Sometimes it feels like I'm teasing not just ankle-biters, but feeble-minded ones here.

         

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          Shadow Dragon (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 11:32am

          Re: Re: Re: IF "some employees at these studios are",

          Yet you didn't answer my question. Which is if you're really represent your position then why do post the same old predictable argument?

           

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          Ed C., Dec 26th, 2012 @ 1:17pm

          Re: Re: Re: IF "some employees at these studios are",

          Do you not get what "sarc" means? And you calling me "feeble-minded" is just about the most ironic thing you've ever said.

           

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          Anonymous Coward, Dec 26th, 2012 @ 4:54pm

          Re: Re: Re: IF "some employees at these studios are",

          "Admit you're right all the time"? You can't admit to something that has been repeatedly proven to be a falsehood, dumbass.

           

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      Shadow Dragon (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 11:29am

      Re: IF "some employees at these studios are",

      Your Troll Report card.

      Annoyance:F
      Entertaining: f
      Debating Skills: F
      Overall: F

       

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      Anonymous Coward, Dec 26th, 2012 @ 11:35am

      Re: IF "some employees at these studios are",

      Technically they can't be criminals for copyright violation, since that is a civil issue. By definition, civil law deals with issues in which no criminal law has been violated.

       

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        Anonymous Coward, Dec 26th, 2012 @ 3:08pm

        Re: Re: IF "some employees at these studios are",

        Technically that is not true they can be criminally liable if the infringement is for profit, willful or both.

        Which in the case of studios is easy to prove they after all are in the business of selling movies, so any distribution on their part can be viewed as a for profit even if it is to undermine, discredit or harm in any way the competition.

        Quote:
        (A) for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain;

        (B) by the reproduction or distribution, including by electronic means, during any 180-day period, of 1 or more copies or phonorecords of 1 or more copyrighted works, which have a total retail value of more than $1,000; or

        Copyright Law of the United States of America
        and Related Laws Contained in Title 17 of the United States Code Chapter 5: Copyright Infringement and Remedies § 506. Criminal offenses


        If I recall correctly copyright law was very recently amended to allow for criminal prosecution of simple acts in the US which make those studios criminally liable more than most.

         

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      Anonymous Coward, Dec 26th, 2012 @ 11:37am

      Re: IF "some employees at these studios are",

      "unless actually authorized as for a honey-pot"

      Uh, why would Sony be operating a honey pot with stuff from 20th century fox?

      Your logic would be sound if they were sharing their own films and series.

      They are not. They are ripping each other off. According to their own logic, they, the studios - because corporations are people too - are pirates, no matter how you slice it. That is, unless someone wants to admit that they were wrong...

       

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        Anonymous Coward, Dec 26th, 2012 @ 11:41am

        Re: Re: IF "some employees at these studios are",

        "Uh, why would Sony be operating a honey pot with stuff from 20th century fox?"

        Correction:

        I was confusing Top Chef (which is NOT from Fox, AFAIK) with Master Chef (which IS from Fox, AFAIK)...but my point still stands: Those studios are sharing stuff that isn't theirs.

         

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      Zakida Paul (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 11:50am

      Re: IF "some employees at these studios are",

      Why do you always critcise Mike for being pro corporation and then on articles like this you come over all pro corporation yourself?

      On the Instagram article you came down on Mike for being pro corporation and yet on the Hollywood article you were defending the corporate whores that run Hollywood. Why so inconsistent and even hypocritical?

       

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        Matthew Cline (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 12:26pm

        Re: Re: IF "some employees at these studios are",

        Why do you always critcise Mike for being pro corporation and then on articles like this you come over all pro corporation yourself?
        Because he's a contrarian troll.

         

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      Machin Shin (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 12:06pm

      Re: IF "some employees at these studios are",

      "unless actually authorized as for a honey-pot"

      So let me get this straight. I will translate to physical objects sense you guys love to say it is "stealing".

      What you saying is that sense there is a candy theft issue it is OK for someone to put out a large candy bowl saying "Free candy" and then slap the shit out of anyone who dares touch a piece?

       

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    Mike Brown (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 11:31am

    Keep reading

    You only had to read one more sentence to find the point you're claiming doesn't exist:
    "the studios and other copyright holders seem to insist that a single IP address is proof positive of liability, doesn't it seem reasonable to question the studios about this bit of evidence as well?"

    These guys are putting so much effort into going after file sharers, you'd think at the very least they'd get their own houses in order first.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 26th, 2012 @ 11:32am

    What is the difference?

    What is the difference between 'criminal copyright infringement' and 'providing a honeypot'???

    If the studios are putting the movies out there (whether they are a 'honey pot' or not) and 'making them available' then they are guilty of criminal copyright infringement, just like the average joe would be if this was their IP address being identified.

    If the studios are legally distributing the movie, then how can they claim that the users downloading that movie are guilty? I thought the liability was based solely on the fact that putting files in a 'shared folder' was the same as 'making them available' (ie. they get around the fact that nobody downloaded 100% of the movie from any one individual by claiming that merely 'making available' is enough to prove guilt and liability.... so they are guilty and liable for entrapment (if this is a honeypot setup) or merely 'facilitating copyright infringement of files authorized for distribution...'

     

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      Gwiz (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 11:47am

      Re: What is the difference?

      If the studios are putting the movies out there (whether they are a 'honey pot' or not) and 'making them available' then they are guilty of criminal copyright infringement...

      I wouldn't think so. If the studios are putting their own the movies up on the bittorrent swarm (for whatever reason) then that is completely within their rights to do so as long as they are the rights holder.

      I would think the problem would be in trying to prosecute anyone downloading movies made available by one of their honeypot schemes. Wouldn't the act of making the movies available to the public in such a manner constitute authorization in and of itself?

       

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        Anonymous Coward, Dec 26th, 2012 @ 11:52am

        Re: Re: What is the difference?

        Sounds like entrapment to me.....

         

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        Anonymous Coward, Dec 26th, 2012 @ 11:57am

        Re: Re: What is the difference?

        "I would think the problem would be in trying to prosecute anyone downloading movies made available by one of their honeypot schemes. Wouldn't the act of making the movies available to the public in such a manner constitute authorization in and of itself?"

        Maybe these studios are using the Penda Law method of then suing everyone for hacking into their computer for downloading the movie in question even though they themselves are making it available via a Bittorrent swarm.

         

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        Berenerd (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 12:55pm

        Re: Re: What is the difference?

        the thing is, they were sharing someone else's movies

         

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          Gwiz (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 1:37pm

          Re: Re: Re: What is the difference?

          the thing is, they were sharing someone else's movies

          Yes. I know. The way the article was worded though it sounds like the majority was their own movies and I was kind of focusing on that and the possibility of them being honeypot schemes.

           

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      Anonymous Coward, Dec 26th, 2012 @ 3:16pm

      Re: What is the difference?

      The only difference is intent, for the purposes of the law.
      Of course there are serious debate about what is or what is not a sign of intent, since intent can't be measured directly at the moment of a crime(we don't have portable MRI to scan all places all the time yet) it usually measured or recognized by indirect means, like actions taken, for the horror of everybody some want to expand the scope and definitions to include more actions like "just downloading", and the more they go into the ether the more surreal things become.

       

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        nasch (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 7:01pm

        Re: Re: What is the difference?

        Of course there are serious debate about what is or what is not a sign of intent

        Well having a search engine for one thing is a sign of intent to infringe. Also, not having a search engine.

         

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 26th, 2012 @ 11:37am

    It's not piracy if the studio that created it is sharing it. It's actually implied permission to share.

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Dec 26th, 2012 @ 12:08pm

      Re:

      That is why they are sharing other studio's movies. They know that they won't be sued by other studios but they can make a honeypot since it isn't their movie to share.

       

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 26th, 2012 @ 11:56am

    you know the rules. dont do what i do, do what i tell you!! and as for proof positive of an IP address? it only applies when it's the double-standards entertainment industries using against ordinary people. you know the ones, those that dont have the finances to put up any sort of defense. why else do you think they have got the law changed to 'guilty unless able to prove innocence and that it still costs people to even go to court and try to defend themselves?

     

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    k, Dec 26th, 2012 @ 12:10pm

    well

    if the studios are freely sharing their shit that means they want people to download it for free.

     

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    The Amazing Sammy (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 1:20pm

    Hate to ask an obvious question, but...

    What was the methodology that they used to obtain these ip numbers? How do we know that these numbers belong to hollywood? Is this an actual list of movie studio ip numbers, or one that we only think that belongs to the movie studios?

     

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    That Anonymous Coward (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 3:42pm

    *files another article in the those screaming the loudest are doing much worse*

     

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    btrussell (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 6:45pm

    "Of course, plenty of caveats apply: it's possible that these are super ham-fisted honeypots for copyright trolling, in which they're recording the IP addresses of downloaders."

    Too bad that since they are the owners, they are making it legal for others to download.

     

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      That One Guy (profile), Dec 26th, 2012 @ 8:45pm

      Re:

      Ah, but you see, that would be why they'd be putting up stuff from other companies/studios.

      Since they don't 'technically' have the rights to it, and one company isn't likely to go after another for something like that, it would simply be a matter of putting up something, noting the IP addresses of those that download, and then sending the list to the people who do actually have the rights to the item in question, while they do the same in return.

      Of course this is assuming some grand scheme, which, while possible, is much less likely than the simple idea that individuals from the various companies are downloading stuff, both because they can, and under the assumption that they are protected as members of the company.

       

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 27th, 2012 @ 8:55am

    Hypocrites!

     

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