That Was Fast: Hollywood Already Browbeat The Republicans Into Retracting Report On Copyright Reform

from the so-that's-how-that-works dept

So, late Friday, we reported on how the Republican Study Committee (the conservative caucus of House Republicans) had put out a surprisingly awesome report about copyright reform. You can read that post to see the details. The report had been fully vetted and reviewed by the RSC before it was released. However, as soon as it was published, the MPAA and RIAA apparently went ballistic and hit the phones hard, demanding that the RSC take down the report. They succeeded. Even though the report had been fully vetted and approved by the RSC, executive director Paul S. Teller has now retracted it, sending out the following email to a wide list of folks this afternoon:
From: Teller, Paul
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 04:11 PM
Subject: RSC Copyright PB

We at the RSC take pride in providing informative analysis of major policy issues and pending legislation that accounts for the range of perspectives held by RSC Members and within the conservative community. Yesterday you received a Policy Brief on copyright law that was published without adequate review within the RSC and failed to meet that standard. Copyright reform would have far-reaching impacts, so it is incredibly important that it be approached with all facts and viewpoints in hand. As the RSC’s Executive Director, I apologize and take full responsibility for this oversight. Enjoy the rest of your weekend and a meaningful Thanksgiving holiday....

Paul S. Teller
Executive Director
U.S. House Republican Study Committee
Paul.Teller@mail.house.gov
http://republicanstudycommittee.com
The idea that this was published "without adequate review" is silly. Stuff doesn't just randomly appear on the RSC website. Anything being posted there has gone through the same full review process. What happened, instead, was that the entertainment industry's lobbyists went crazy, and some in the GOP folded.

Frankly, if they wanted to win back the youth vote, this was exactly how not to do it. If you just look through the comments on our post on the original, or through the Twitter response to this report, there were tons of people -- many of whom were lifelong Democrats -- claiming that they would switch parties if the GOP stuck with this. Instead, they folded like a cheap card table in less than 24 hours.

In the long run, that's going to hurt the GOP, because the people who were suddenly interested in supporting the GOP will assume that any such effort is subject to a similar bait-and-switch. Meanwhile, this leaves open an opportunity for the Democrats as well. The Republicans just came close to becoming the party that actually listened to what was important to young people today -- and they quickly changed their mind. The Democrats can sweep in and take the issue since apparently it's there for the taking. All they have to do is be willing to tell some Hollywood lobbyists to pipe down.


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    Eric (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 5:19pm

    You have to wonder if the RSC was shown debunked numbers and believed them, leading them to claim it wasn't adequately reviewed. It wouldn't be surprising.

     

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    Shmerl, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 5:20pm

    This only highlights the downside of these parties. They don't mean it. They use it as a tool to gain popularity. But if they don't mean it, no one said they'll stick with it. After they gain power, they easily drop their PR promises.

     

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    F!, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 5:23pm

    Link to the original report?

    Seems the .pdf links to the original report are no longer functional (obviously, since they retracted the report). I didn't hear about this report until now, too late.

    Is there a copy of the report still available online anywhere?

    Thanks

     

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    JWW (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 5:24pm

    Stand Firm

    This has to get out. Its now crystal clear. We need to overwhelm the Republicans in the House with INSISTANCE that they adopt this policy!!

    It is the time for the people to take control again. The RIAA and MPAA assume that the SOPA backlash was "orchestrated." No it wasn't. MPAA and RIAA we, your customers, HATE YOUR FUCKING GUTS!!! Get it.

    WE WANT REASONABLE COPYRIGHTS BACK AND WE WANT IT NOW!!

    I still buy digital media, and I still buy DVDs and I still go to movies, but am very close to telling the RIAA and MPAA to fuck of and die. If the don't cut this shit out, I'm just going to stop dealing with them and everything they sell altogether.

     

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    Andrew F (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 5:42pm

    The GOP caved in response to elitist Hollywood liberals? That's saying a lot about the GOP.

     

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    ChurchHatesTucker (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 5:44pm

    Re: Link to the original report?

    There's a downloadable copy still up at the American Conservative. Scroll down.

     

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    F!, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 5:44pm

    Re: Stand Firm

    Maybe the report could be posted on the whitehouse petition website - as a petition. Unless of course the report is copyrighted...

     

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    arcan, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 5:44pm

    FOR ROHAN

    I am emailing this paul teller guy now, his email is paul.teller@mail.house.gov . It is a public email address, which means secretaries probably read it and not him. but since hollywood blew up the phones, maybe we should spam him emails supporting the report, and how hollywood is out of contact with reality, not the reports writers.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 5:47pm

    Kinda sad how little time hope lasts in this world, when will i ever learn to just stick with apathy

     

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    F!, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 5:49pm

    Re: Re: Link to the original report?

    Thanks CHT. Unfortunately one needs a scribd account to download it. It is displayed to be read on the website, however it appears to have corruption (ha!) issues, and much of it appears as random strings of alphabet soup.

    Still searching...

     

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    JT, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 5:55pm

    Copy

    I have a copy - if you'd like one email me at mail [at] johntomlinson.com with "RSC copyright brief" as the subject line.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 5:55pm

    Re:

    or you know... it could just be common sense being that daddy didn't check jr's homework... oooopsies...

    invoke the boogeyman and the grand conspiracy!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 6:02pm

    Re: Re: Stand Firm

    government documents aren't copyrighted

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 6:05pm

    A setback, but a minor one. That report was only the beginning; just the tip of the iceberg. The establishment's precious self-perpetuating system is beginning to crack under the strain.

    It's only a matter of time before "ads funded by Hollywood money" goes up against "actually giving the voters what they want" and loses. The only question is, who's going to seize the opportunity?

    Will Republicans, teetering on the edge, take the dive? Will Democrats, ever paying lip service to progressive ideals, finally put their money where their mouths are? Or will an independent party step into the spotlight, as the Republican party once did?

    Only time will tell. But mark my words, the political landscape is changing, and changing for the better. Let's all look forward to the day when politicians who provide good results do better than politicians who spend a fortune on advertisements.

     

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    Greevar (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 6:05pm

    Re: Stand Firm

    The only reasonable copyright is none at all. This is the age of the internet, they don't need copyright anymore. There are plenty of ways to make a business around content without resorting to selling copies like they were mops on a store shelf. They provide a service. It's always been a service that they've been trying to convince the population is a product. It's about as much a product as construction is a product. They do this because it's a big advantage to have an infinite supply and finite demand with negligible fixed costs for each copy.

    So I'll say it again, kill copyright. Force them to give up the product-oriented business model for the service model it truly is.

     

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    nasch (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 6:07pm

    References

    Do you know it was Hollywood that got this pulled, or are you assuming it was? If you know, can you provide references to the evidence?

     

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    Greevar (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 6:10pm

    Don't let this report die.

    Spread it around. Make sure that Hollywood doesn't get its way. If they want to silence that report, then we need to make sure people are screaming it from everywhere on the internet and beyond.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 6:15pm

    god damn shameful.

     

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    S. T. Stone, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 6:20pm

    Re: Re: Re: Link to the original report?

    I've taken the liberty of uploading the original PDF to Mediafire so everyone can download it.

    http://www.mediafire.com/view/?hamegos6hnp3tmb

    Keep circulating the tapes, so to speak...

     

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    mlp, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 6:20pm

    Re: Don't let this report die.

    I've mirrored it here.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 6:21pm

    Re: References

    "the MPAA and RIAA apparently went ballistic and hit the phones hard"

    [emphasis added]

    This is what apparently happened. Is it done in the open? No, like SOPA, this stuff is done in secret with only industry interests invited. The industry knows that their disproportionate representation is not appreciated by the public. But, in all likelihood, Hollywood was definitely behind it. 99.999 percent chance. It's predictable. Everyone knows it, even you, and pretending that you think it's not true, or has a reasonable chance of not being true, only makes you look foolish and gullible or ignorant.

     

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    Loki, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 6:25pm

    I've said before, and I'll say again. The only way we are going to see civil change at this point is if the people of both parties interested in real reforms leaves there respective overlords and form a new party.

    As far as copyright goes, since the maximalists continue to refuse to even consider the least possibility of compromise, then I will return them the favor. At this point, I'm unwilling to even except reform. The ONLY acceptable "reform" I am willing to concede to at this point is the complete and utter abolishment of copyright.
    And I will stick to that principle as long as they retain their current leadership. When new leadership takes over (across the board, not just a person here or there), then maybe I will be willing to consider different options, but I am no longer willing to negotiate with these people, ever.

    Thank you, copyright industry, thank you, for being so utterly unreasonable that you continue to turn what were some of your strongest supporters into some of your toughest critics.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 6:29pm

    Re: Re:

    Coming from what was probably the guy saying the report was a Google created document that comment of yours is so full of irony I don't know how it's able to stand under it's own weight.

    Hypocrisy, thy name is AC. (As in the AC I'm replying to.)

    You guys are too cute though. You can't attack the points made so you point imaginary fingers at Google and try to dismiss it, the moment it gets knocked down by unknown people and for unknown (hardly) reasons you start laughing at the conspiracy others see.

    But the points raised in the report are valid nonetheless, and it's rather obvious that copyright reform is coming. It's only a matter of time. Recent actions, on the part of people like you, over the past year or two have finally woken people up, and not just us "commoners" but people with the power to radically reform copyright, or remove it entirely.

    I see your comment and read it for what it is, fear. You were shaking in your boots yesterday. And you're shaking in your boots today. In the end, I think people get what they deserve. And those in the various industries have had their way too long and they're going to get a serious slap in the face/dose of reality.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 6:31pm

    First off, I'm part of the 'old folks' voting bloc, just thought I'd mention that.

    My first reaction was that the term 'gutless wonders' applied here to the committee members.

    Then more sober reflection kicked in, and common sense told me that the term 'campaign dollars' is considerably more likely to be at the root of the reports retraction.

    No matter how the retraction was worded, the committee has to know that they can only come out of this, at best, looking like back-boneless twits.

    And, after stunts like this, politicians still wonder why so many of them are so often held in such low regard!!!

     

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    Coasty (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 6:32pm

    Re:

    OOPS! Forgot to sign in before I sent that comment...

     

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    Loki, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 6:35pm

    Re: References

    It doesn't really matter. Since they consider everything that is wrong with their business is do solely due to "piracy", then everything that is wrong or impedes with copyright reform is their fault, regardless.

    You simply can't be reasonable with totally unreasonably people. They understand nothing except for absolutes. Anything less gives them the upper hand. They want to set the rules, then that's how we play the game.

     

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    NA, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 6:37pm

    How do you know the MPAA/RIAA demanded the report be taken down? Is there an actual source of that information, or is it just speculation?

     

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    CK20XX, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 6:48pm

    Just keep doing what we've done best.

    Download it, mirror it, and circulate it. That someone actually made this report in the first place is enough for now. We are winning and have slowly been for a long time. We just shouldn't have expected the war on copyright to suddenly end in a blitz.

     

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    Simple Mind (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 6:54pm

    Re:

    Nothing is changing. People fear change and they are unable to think for themselves so they will continue to vote for whoever the media tells them to vote for and against their own best interests.

     

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    Dreddsnik, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 6:56pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Link to the original report?

    Got it now, much thanks. Will spread it around.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 7:01pm

    Re: Re: Link to the original report?

    Thanks so much for the link. OMG, I just read it and it's freakishly sensible. Hard to believe someone in Washington DC came up with it! Sadly believable that they backed away from it when people with money yelled at them.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 7:04pm

    Re: Re: Re: Link to the original report?

    I downloaded it from the website CHT linked to and immediately opened & read it using Nitro PDF Professional. It was perfectly readable--possibly this is a problem on your end with the software you're using to read it?

     

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    The Real Michael, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 7:05pm

    Whatever chance the Republicans had of winning office just took a nosedive. They flip-flopped on an issue in just one day because they were pressured by corporate lobbyists into doing so.

    What the RIAA and MPAA don't seem to realize is that the damage has been done.

     

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    lhblotto (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 7:09pm

    here it is too

     

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    The Real Michael, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 7:15pm

    Re: Re:

    You're wrong. People are becoming more informed on these issues and this report will have political ramifications down the line.

    People don't fear change -- they WANT change. They're sick and tired of business as usual, all the smoke and mirrors, lies and corruption. They realize that nothing is going to get any better unless things change for the better and soon.

    Our government cannot afford to waste time, money (our tax dollars) and resources in order to protect this corporate monopoly. It's a huge waste, and for what? Just so that a few wealthy corps can leech off copyright? Get real.

     

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    The Real Michael, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 7:20pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    This guy's sole purpose here is to ridicule and distract, but it's not working.

     

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    That One Guy (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 7:24pm

    Talk about shooting yourself in the foot

    This has the potential to backfire on the GOP bad, as they've now proven pretty heavily that even if such an agenda was brought to the table there is no chance they'd ever actually pass it.

    I mean, if they can be pressured this easily to just take down a report/declaration, the idea that they'd stand firm and actually vote for something like this is laughable.

    Hopefully the democrats pick up on the fact the GOP just painted a massive bulls-eye on their chest, and take the shot by picking up and running with what the republicans just so hastily dropped. Or someone in the republican party realizes how something like this could drastically help the party out, assuming they passed it.

    Honestly I don't care who gets it done, as long as it gets done.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 7:29pm

    Re: FOR ROHAN

    On the report itself, the RSC Staff Contact is Derek S. Khanna at derek.khanna@mail.house.gov -- he's the contact, so let's contact him! I'm going to sit down and write a letter and email it to both addresses.

     

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    That One Guy (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 7:33pm

    Re:

    Let me put this scenario in another way:

    Say you have a house that's been recently lit on fire. Standing in front of the house is someone who is a known pyromaniac and arsonist covered in soot and smelling strongly of smoke. At his feat are several mostly empty cans of gasoline and other accelerants. Clutched in his hands are a box of matches and a lighter.

    Now, given all this, while he might not be the one who is responsible, you'd have to be pretty dense not to at least place heavy odds on him being the one who lit the blaze.

     

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    Chargone (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 7:33pm

    Re:

    it's saying that they care more about money than anything else.

    which is... pretty much inevitable in a plutocratic republic (which is what the US has, and is pretty much what it's Always had. plus or minus however much 'bureaucracy' replaces one or the other term.)

    aristocrats, plutocrats... either way it's the elite who care more about their power and status (wealth is simply a way of measuring this) than about the nation or public. (at least aristocracy Usually goes along with some vague idea that they should try to do what they think is best for the country rather than just using rabid 'patriotism' as a pubic justification for their nonsense. even if it doesn't actually result in any better behaviour.)

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 7:34pm

    "The report had been fully vetted and reviewed by the RSC before it was released."

    Citation to this statement of fact?

     

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    CommonSense (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 7:50pm

    Re:

    I agree that they use it as a tool to gain popularity, but that popularity is a double edged sword. They have to be popular enough with the public to get votes, but also popular enough with the people who fund campaigns so that they can run. They probably really did mean everything in the report, until someone told them they make a lot of money for taking it down (or lose money for not taking it down..)

    "All they have to do is be willing to tell some Hollywood lobbyists to pipe down."
    Honestly, Obama should do exactly that now that he doesn't need anything from Hollywood to win his next election. Kind of stinks that we always seem to need to wait for someone to stop campaigning in order to take a stand for the people...

     

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    That One Guy (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 7:52pm

    Re:

    Oh I'd imagine they were shown real numbers alright.

    Probably something along the lines of 'You see this paper, which lists the various donations your organization's members, including yourselves, receive from us? Now look at this paper. Do you notice how while there are many zeros in the first paper, there's only one in the second?'

    Keep in mind the past actions of the *AA's when challenged, they don't really do 'subtle' in these kinds of situations.

     

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    Gwiz (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 8:05pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Link to the original report?

     

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    Beech, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 8:06pm

    How I Imagine it Going Down...

    Literally laughed out loud when I saw this story up.

    Here's what I think happened; Republican Party realized that "donations" from Hollywood were a bit lackluster this past election cycle. Repub.s decide to send a bit of a message, "Hey, nice government granted 'temporary' monopoly you got there, would sure be a shame if one of the major political parties were to realize what a crock it is."

    Hollywood quickly rushes a suitcase or several of filthy lucre to a few key leaders and BAM! Turns out "Oops, turns out we based our research on numbers not approved by the guys paying our bills. Nevermind."

    And thus the (so-called) balance of politics is restored.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 8:09pm

    I long ago went on boycott. I simply will not buy major label DRM damaged music after sue'em all started. I do not want my money going to places that fund these sorts of actions against the good of people. I don't care if you do that or not. It's my own quiet way of saying "I don't support that".

    Stuff like this makes the reasons why I won't buy major label damaged goods all the more apparent.

    While it was nice to hope there was a glimmer of wisdom coming out of Washington where usually it means you are lucky to get a benefit because it aligns with what a major corporation wants and when it more often gets cut off at the knees before happening, it means it was against a major monied lobby group, this again shows why I don't want my money going to them to fund these sorts of actions.

    It does show Washington is very much aware of what is happening even while they play dense about it. It just shows how bad corruption there really is.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 8:14pm

    The speed of this retraction is telling evidence of how the pro-business Republicans have more money and vastly more influence than the true-believer pro-market Republicans. This is not exactly news.

     

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    nasch (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 8:27pm

    Re: Re:

    The only fact we've been told is that there was a fire. We all know the MPAA/RIAA is a serial arsonist, but I saw nothing indicating who lit the fire. If Techdirt has photos of someone standing there with a gas can, let's see em. I'm totally willing to believe it was them, but I would like to see evidence rather than assumption.

     

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    nasch (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 8:31pm

    Re: How I Imagine it Going Down...

    Here's what I think happened; Republican Party realized that "donations" from Hollywood were a bit lackluster this past election cycle...
    You might be onto something there.

     

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    The Real Michael, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 8:32pm

    If copyright was how our founding fathers intended, artists would have to actually work to make a living rather than live off their back catalogs. There'd be an abundance of original ideas and innovations of greater quality ...but there isn't. Current copyright law disincentivizes creativity and hard work by allowing artists/corporations to keep reselling the same products over and over ad nausea. Because of this, the copyright holders figure, "Why should we work on something new when we can keep milking the same cow?" Then, when all the money dries up, whether because they fail in the market or simply because people grew tired of purchasing the same old garbage, they whine to the government about how they need MORE copyright and they always have a convenient scapegoat for all their own failures --the internet.

    Current copyright law provides no real incentive to create anything new. Just ask Hollywood. (Robocop, Evil Dead, Little Shop of Horrors, Spiderman, Batman...)

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 8:32pm

    Re: Re:

    of course only an idiot would only vote 'for his own best interests'.... NO.. you voted for what is best overall for your country, and the world..

    it's in the best interest of the people, by the people, for the people... you might be young, fit and healthy so it is not in your best interest to ensure a good health system, but you will not allways be young, fit and healthy, and not everyone is young etc either...

    thats probably why your country is such a mess !!! if you dont care about anything except what you want !!

     

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    justok (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 8:33pm

    Re: Re: Re: Stand Firm

    It's not a govt report anymore, is it? That's why they took it down.

     

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    AB, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 8:35pm

    Post the report as a petition to the Whitehouse

    'the report could be posted on the whitehouse petition website - as a petition.'

    That actually seems like an excellent suggestion. Though perhaps some of the reforms should be divided and presented separately to reduce potential controversy. But what do I know, I'm just a Canuck from the Great White North..

     

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    jameshogg (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 8:36pm

    "If any opinion is compelled to silence, that opinion may, for aught we can certainly know, be true. To deny this is to assume our own infallibility." - John Stuart Mill.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 8:41pm

    Re: References

    no he does not know that at all, he's just guessing,

    it was only a study paper, not a policy statement, it was not written by this group it was written by an academic, in copyright law. It's a suggestion paper, again, not a policy paper..

    all political parties develop or acquire papers and perspecitve of the "other side' of the argument, it helps them to develop their own policies, and ways to counter critisms..

    that does not mean they intend to adopt that paper or report, it's a 'counter argument' or alternate perspective, and a different analysis.. but NOT a POLICY and a goal.

    Masnick knows this, he also knows that Hollywood would not even bother to say anything in relation to this, it's the REPS after all, there was no lobbying in this case..

    but Masnick NEEDS someone to blame, he might as well use "hollywood" as much as anyone else..

    yes, it's true Masnick got an instant hard on when he first read it, and could not contain himself, but thats just what he does..

    if you take masnicks word for anything, or believe that he is unbiased and not an appoligist for pirites, that is your problem..

    most can see through the thin vail of his.... lies.. we accept him and his comments for what they are..

    A sometimes amusing read, but not facts or real information, but a look into how 'the masnick' sees the world... and how he has managed to convince 10 or so people his idea's are 'godly', not bad after so many years, what 1 or 2 converts a year !!!!!.. nice

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 8:44pm

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    I guess jr should have let daddy check his homework - even the GOP know this would be political suicide - not only are they out of touch with womem and minorities, they could actually alienate all of the wonderful innovative creators of art, photography, music and film.

    I'm glad they saw the light and didn't co-sign the work of an eager beaver moonlighting for Google and big tech. Something tells me the kid who came up with "Joe The Plummer" for Congress needed some help on his homework - unfortunately for him he got duped by Uncle Google before checking with his own party...

    youch, but slaptastic!

    carry on gents.

     

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    jupiterkansas (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 8:44pm

    Re: How I Imagine it Going Down...

    Yes, except for that part about getting enough voters on their side to win the White House.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 8:46pm

    Re: Link to the original report?

    wow this is really serious, they even took the report down - man - it must have been a real doozy... so much for the weekend long fart smelling festival...

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 8:49pm

    Re: Don't let this report die.

    yes, please, please, please don't let it doe - please post it everywhere so we have constant and ever present access to the insanity of the GOP that is so extreme that not even they could live with it for 24 hours... wow, just wow...

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 8:50pm

    Re: Copy

    JT - why not just post it?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 8:51pm

    Re: Stand Firm

    you have reasonable copyright... just stop screaming and whining like a little girl.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 8:54pm

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    no, the GOP did the right thing when they saw that an intern trying to make points with Google went Rogue and posted propaganda as the party line without it being vetted.

    slaptastic adventures continue... just keep on following Lessig and Barlow right off that cliff...

    http://thetrichordist.com/2012/05/01/effs-john-perry-barlow-is-wrong/

    http://thetrichordist.c om/2012/05/08/larry-lessig-is-wrong/

     

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    F!, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 8:54pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Link to the original report?

    Awesome Stone, thankyou! Got it now, reading and will post it on my blog today...

     

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    The Real Michael, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 8:55pm

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    "I guess jr should have let daddy check his homework - even the GOP know this would be political suicide - not only are they out of touch with womem and minorities, they could actually alienate all of the wonderful innovative creators of art, photography, music and film."

    Alienate them how, by forcing them to actually work for a living, like our founding fathers intended, instead of leeching off the glorified corporate welfare system that copyright has become?

     

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    al, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 8:59pm

    Re: FOR ROHAN

    I sent him a letter as well and got what appears to be a real response. (i.e. not an auto responder). Pressure here might have a significant impact, I say lean on thsi guy gentley and just overload his inbox.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 9:04pm

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    watching you guys melt down in the face of reason and logic by those who know the value of copyright (the GOP and RSC) is just the f'ing best thing ever.

    you go girls! grrrrrr... freehadist pillow fight at mikes!

    do you guys do anything other then whine how unfair it is that you don't get free milk and cookies?

     

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    That Anonymous Coward (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 9:04pm

    "Its a nice monopoly you have there, it would be a shame if something happened to it."

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 9:07pm

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    the amount of hate for true innovators of music, art, photography, and film on techdirt is truly astounding.

    so how do filmmakers tour? photographers should sell t-shirts?

    wow, just wow... I am loving how out of touch with reality you girls are.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 9:09pm

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    wait, I thought artists were independent now with the internet? you mean it's not true the the internet has liberated artists?

    well, I guess if even trent reznor finds the value in signing back with a major label they can't be all that bad, can they?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 9:11pm

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    "What the RIAA and MPAA don't seem to realize is that the damage has been done."

    oh you're wrong, they've seen how much damage has been done to the GOP and the Freehadists by the GOP and Freehadists!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 9:13pm

    Re: Just keep doing what we've done best.

    yes, please, please, please! don't let this embarrassment that the GOP and the RSC are running from! Yes, please keep it front and center so we can always see it and hold it up for all to see the magnificent mistake of a jr republican stooge!

    yes, please!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 9:14pm

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    really?

     

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    The Real Michael, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 9:16pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    I couldn't help but notice how you avoided addressing what I just said. Could it be you're concerned because it's true?

    As far as the RSC retracting their report, big deal. It wasn't as if it were a bill to be considered in the House. The damage has already been done. As of yesterday, we have a scathing report, written in Washington, with regards to copyright and people are going to be citing it left, right and center.

    Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow but it's inevitable: there's going to be a major push for copyright reform and there's nothing you can do about it.

     

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    Luke, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 9:19pm

    Has anyone heard of the libertarian party?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 9:28pm

    Re: Re:

    Ah, yes, keep trying to market your spit for shoeshine. Newsflash, hurricane head up your ass: you're projecting. You masturbate so much to Lowery's image, you think that anyone who agrees with anyone else has to do the same thing. How about telling your cocksucker buddy Phil to actually use his recording studio, and not visit sites to whine how he's not making money off it when he's not using it?

     

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    The Real Michael, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 9:28pm

    Re: Re:

    "the amount of hate for true innovators of music, art, photography, and film on techdirt is truly astounding."

    Don't falsely label people. I don't hate artists, I'm simply not fond of artists and corporations leeching off a system. If copyright lasted 14 years, artists would have to work to make a living, as was stated. This would lead to far more original works.

    "so how do filmmakers tour? photographers should sell t-shirts?"

    Frankly, this has nothing to do with that ...unless of course you prefer that they keep "milking the same old cow."

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 9:28pm

    Re:

    "The GOP caved in response to elitist Hollywood liberals? That's saying a lot about the GOP."

    no - it just says a lot more about the tin foil hat fiction on techdirt.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 9:28pm

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    Yeah, not everyone is young. At some point the people who insist on copyright that lasts forever minus a day will die off.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 9:30pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Stand Firm

    "It's not a govt report anymore, is it? That's why they took it down."

    no, they took it down because it's nonsense and they realized it.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 9:32pm

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    really? than why don't you go fishing and stop wasting your time here if it's set in stone, can't be changed, and will absolutely happen?

    me thinks the lady doth protest too much.

    on other hand, you're right, the damage has been done and now everyone can see just how desperate and bat shit crazy you guys are to stand be behind a report the people who published it are running from.

    yup, damage done, agreed.

     

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    The Real Michael, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 9:34pm

    Re: Re:

    "wait, I thought artists were independent now with the internet? you mean it's not true the the internet has liberated artists?"

    Most of the independent artists don't go around suing their fans and ruining the internet.

    "well, I guess if even trent reznor finds the value in signing back with a major label they can't be all that bad, can they?"

    If labels are so beneficial, why do so many artists get into disputes with their labels about stuff like royalties being withheld? Why do artists refer to label deals as "indentured servitude"? Why are so many established artists activating their termination clauses, active starting next year? I could go on all day.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 9:34pm

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    wow, do you kiss your mother with that mouth?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 9:37pm

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    any wrong doing should be unacceptable, be it from a record label or the pirate bay, or any other company or organization ripping off artists. wouldn't you agree?

     

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    brandon (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 9:41pm

    libertarian

    i'm glad someone finally mentioned that word. it seems like a reasonable thing to think that people who value individual rights (ie. anti-copyrightists) could see past their own individual agendas to value all individual rights, not just their own pet issues. if that COULD happen, then the libertarian party might get enough traction to actually make an impact.

     

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    That One Guy (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 9:41pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    Fair enough, and I'm not saying they are responsible, I'm just saying, barring evidence to the contrary, it would very much fit their M.O. to do something like that, placing them pretty high on the list of suspects.

     

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    The Real Michael, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 9:41pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Again, you avoided addressing what was said.

    Yes, copyright reform is going to happen -- it will have to in order for progress to be made. Our government can only dance around the issue for so long before it boils over. You see, there's something you seem to be ignoring and that is our national budget and debt. The government won't be able to keep subsidizing your little corporate welfare system (copyright) forever. There's going to be a breaking point.

    Oh, and I could say the same to you: "why don't you go fishing and stop wasting your time here...?" Hoisted by your own pertard.

     

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    Shadow Dragon (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 9:44pm

    Re:

    I was apart of it,but I left because I disagree with certain stances like privatize everything even police and fire departments,letting companies having free reign with no oversight.

     

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    The Real Michael, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 9:44pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    I'm glad we agree on something.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 9:47pm

    Re: libertarian

    exactly - copyright empowers and protects the individual from the corporation.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 9:49pm

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    well, that's a damn good start.

    at least record labels offer contracts via consent, negotiate terms, and pay the artists - the pirate bay does none of this. so to claim that somehow artists are better off without any compensation is absolutely false.

     

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    G Thompson (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 9:52pm

    Re: Link to the original report?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 9:55pm

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    @Shadow Dragon - that's pretty much TechDirt's view of the internet...

     

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    G Thompson (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 9:56pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Stand Firm

    So you post the actual text and not the pdf.. even breaking the text up into talking points.

    Then if they want to claim copyright they have to show the original work which WAS written by govt and therefore not copyrightable in that sense (pure fair use defence for public interest) though they are then admitting that copyright is fallacious by actually claiming they own a copyright on a govt property that they also claim doesn't exit.

    Would very much back the whole premise and reason for the report in first place. The Govt and your political parties (and esp the **AA's) are in a lose-lose situation here

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 9:58pm

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    Contracts? Again with the contracts, hurricane head up your ass?

    Contracts matter jack shit if the personnel you are dealing with are as unreasonable as the RIAA. But going by the addled state your industry chowder-soaked brain is in you couldn't tell the difference between a compliment and a kick to the face, can you?

     

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    The Real Michael, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 9:58pm

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    I never claimed that artists shouldn't be compensated; I simply don't believe that they should be compensated for antiquated works.

    I don't use The Pirate Bay for anything, nor any other torrent site, so this is pointless.

    As far as record label deals are concerned, really, they only benefit established artists, not the newcomers, and even then they rook them all in so many ways. The internet provides the best alternative to a label deal. The only caveat is that musicians have to handle a bit more work, e.g. self-promotion, and compete in a much broader market, but that's how it goes. Beggars can't be choosers.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 10:01pm

    Re: Re: libertarian

    The RIAA is a corporation. Copyright hasn't protected people from them. Copyright can't protect jack shit and taxpayers are still funding these initiatives.

    When copyright protects dead grandmothers and their families from getting sued by the RIAA, you let me know. Don't you get tired of an existence where your mouth is your asshole, you gasping waste of space?

     

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    arcan, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 10:02pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Stand Firm

    explain how it is nonsense. exactly what part about that is unreasonable? that the Constitution defines copyright as primarily benefiting the public? That increasing a copyright length from life +50 to life +70 doesn't incentive people to create more stuff? that copyright is not the foundation of capitalism? what my good sir is nonsensical about that report?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 10:03pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    oh lord - really? how to the established acts get established?

    the truth is, if the internet were working for musicians there'd be a robust new middle class of professional musicians, fact is, there isn't - and worse, there are 45% less professional musicians today than in 2002.

    it's just common sense and math.

    http://thetrichordist.com/2012/05/22/why-arent-more-musicians-working-professionally/

     

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    The Real Michael, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 10:04pm

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    Um, we were discussing the labels specifically, not the RIAA.

    There's really no need to digress into ad hominems. It's immature. Let's try to have a civilized discussion.

    I'm out for now. See you guys later.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 10:04pm

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    "Contracts? Again with the contracts, hurricane head up your ass?"

    yes - contracts, like in every other civilized business.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 10:06pm

    Re:

    "gutless wonders" and "back-boneless twits"...you're being too kind.
    I was thinking more like fucking wimps or just plain assholes, and then thinking that maybe that was too kind as well.So, after more thought, I decided there wasn't any words to describe the contempt that I have for these gutless,back-boneless, fucking assholey, wimpy twit wonders.
    I'll never ever vote republican again...ever!Never ever again...really!never ever...Did I say never?...ever!!Not even.

     

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    arcan, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 10:06pm

    Re: Re: FOR ROHAN

    yeah, I got a canned response, thank you sir we are discussing how to proceed.

     

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    techflaws (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 10:08pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    So piracy is stopped already?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 10:10pm

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    so sure are we that you're having a meltdown? I don't think so, but keep whispering to yourself, there are no monsters here, there are no monsters here.

    what you fail to realize is the copyright protects the individual from exploitation by the corporation - you're fighting for exploitation, copyright fights against it.

    and that is why you have been, and will continue to lose. no copyright reform has happened. lessig has lost across the board, barlow is a nut job for whom even google's own chief economist disagree's with...

    you've slowed the adoption of proper enforcement of existing laws, but that's it. eventually your feudal ways will subside to rational thought and much of this is just about awareness anyway.

    common, good people know theft when they see it. why not support the people running legal businesses? why do you insist on rewarding criminals?

    http://thetrichordist.com/2012/11/05/madison-avenue-and-media-piracy-are-online-ad-networks-the- birth-of-skynet/

     

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    techflaws (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 10:10pm

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    carry on gents.

    Really funny to see how delusional you are in thinking you somehow have the upper hand in this just because you publicly managed to humiliate one of your former well-respected sources. Well done, jr.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 10:12pm

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    that's right - this was NEVER going to be a bill. you're right michael, that we agree on.

     

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    techflaws (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 10:13pm

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    no - it just says a lot more about AC jackasses who actually think withdrawing the document was a smart choice. Go figure.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 10:14pm

    Obama administration: "Piracy is flat, unadulterated theft"

    maybe you missed this...

    "Recently, I've had a chance to read letters from award winning writers and artists whose livelihoods have been destroyed by music piracy. One letter that stuck out for me was a guy who said the songwriting royalties he had depended on to 'be a golden parachute to fund his retirement had turned out to be a lead balloon.' This just isn't right." - US Commerce Secretary Gary Locke

    maybe check in with the vice president while you're at it
    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-20008454-501465.html

     

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    nasch (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 10:15pm

    Re: Re: References

    You're doing the exact same thing, making claims without presenting any evidence. How do you know it was not written by this group? How do you know it was a "counter argument"? How do you know there was no lobbying?

    By just jumping in and shitting on Mike without backing up anything, you are not contributing to the discussion.

     

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    techflaws (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 10:16pm

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    Says the AC jackass who actually thinks using "girls" as an abusive word makes him look cool. wow, just wow...

     

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    nasch (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 10:16pm

    Re: Re:

    no, the GOP did the right thing when they saw that an intern trying to make points with Google went Rogue and posted propaganda as the party line without it being vetted.

    And your proof for this claim?

     

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    techflaws (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 10:18pm

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    invoke the boogeyman and the grand conspiracy!

    Worked for Romney after he lost the election. LOL!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 10:20pm

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    so the live version of a film is that there should only be live theater? wow, just wow. so much for logic and reason.

    how do photographer tour? should they go town to town taking pictures and selling t-shirts.

    the gaps in logic around here are truly astounding, and that is why this turd got retracted in one of the fastest "policy" boomerangs we've ever seen.

    a jr intern goes off half-cocked and you take it as gospel, thank god the adults got home just in time to maybe save some face.

     

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    The Real Michael, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 10:21pm

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    I read that article awhile back. It really has nothing to do with this. It's just another musician arguing for more copyright enforcement.

    When I speak of established musicians, yeah, it just so happened that most of them were established way back when the major labels ruled the roost, before the internet really took off. But now all they've got are their Lady Gagas and Justin Biebers -- hardly what I consider quality music. The contemporary artists' back catalogs aren't worth a penny, sorry to say.

    Fortunately there's a lot more artists to choose from thanks to the internet, even if quality varies drastically between them. Established or not, here's the key benefit: they get to keep 100% of their profit or close and determine their own career. As was said previously, they need to work in order to promote themselves. But let's say that an artist sells 700 albums at $10 a pop plus a tour, merch, mechanicals, etc. That's $7,000 just for the albums + whatever else they make. So that's a definite plus.

    BTW, in a recent Billboard article I read, it explained how independent artists factor in over 30% of all profits per year, but even that figure isn't 100% accurate as they don't survey everyone on the market. I wish I had the article in question on hand but I'm too tired to go dig it up (*note* it's not too difficult to find).

     

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    nasch (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 10:21pm

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    placing them pretty high on the list of suspects.

    I agree, but (not to beat a dead horse or anything) that isn't what Mike said. He said, "However, as soon as it was published, the MPAA and RIAA apparently went ballistic and hit the phones hard, demanding that the RSC take down the report." Did he intend "apparently" to mean "presumably" or "I am guessing"? Because that's certainly not how I read it.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 10:22pm

    must have hit pretty close to home to trigger that kind of irrational and illogical anger. copyright protects the individual from exploitation by given the individual the power to negotiate, from there, the individual is responsible for their own choices.

    we're pro-choice, you are pro-exploitation without choice.

    learn the difference.

     

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    nasch (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 10:23pm

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    what you fail to realize is the copyright protects the individual from exploitation by the corporation

    Voted funny for this.

     

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    nasch (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 10:25pm

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    at least record labels offer contracts via consent, negotiate terms, and pay the artists - the pirate bay does none of this. so to claim that somehow artists are better off without any compensation is absolutely false.

    Holy strawman!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 10:28pm

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    "I read that article awhile back. It really has nothing to do with this. It's just another musician arguing for more copyright enforcement."

    sorry, you're wrong - it's just facts - and despite everything you've said, where is this new booming middle class of empowered professional musicians?

    I know things like facts, reason and logic hurt you so very badly.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 10:29pm

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    Holy Facts!

     

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    nasch (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 10:30pm

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    Everyone knows it, even you, and pretending that you think it's not true, or has a reasonable chance of not being true, only makes you look foolish and gullible or ignorant.

    We have different definitions of "know" I guess. If by "know" you mean "believe" then yes I believe that is (most likely) what happened. If you mean "know" as in having access to concrete and convincing evidence, then no I don't know it, and I doubt you do either. Though if you do, please share your evidence, because I think everyone should see it so we know (there's that word again) what happened.

    pretending that you think it's not true, or has a reasonable chance of not being true, only makes you look foolish and gullible or ignorant.

    What's foolish is your assumptions. Read what I said again, and tell me how you came to the conclusion that I think it's not true, or doesn't have a reasonable chance of being true.

    Asking for evidence of a claim is completely different from stating a belief in the opposite of that claim.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 10:31pm

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    funny or not, it is true.

    copyright is pro-choice for the individual, you are fighting to take that choice away from the individual denying them liberty.

    copyright is pro-choice for the individual, you are pro-exploitation for the corporation/s.

     

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    nasch (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 10:32pm

    Re:

    When new leadership takes over (across the board, not just a person here or there), then maybe I will be willing to consider different options, but I am no longer willing to negotiate with these people, ever.

    They have to die eventually right? I mean it's not like they've made some kind of unholy bargain to live forever and... oh crap.

     

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    uncoveror (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 10:32pm

    Locking up ideas stifles progress

    Copyright was intended to, as the Constitution states, promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive Right to their respective writings and discoveries. The problem is that locking up ideas as property doesn't do that at all. It stifles progress. Besides, all Hollywood and the recording industry make is frivolous entertainment. That bears no resemblance to what was meant by "useful arts". Congress doesn't even consider the copyright clause when lobbyists show up with cash.

     

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    nasch (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 10:38pm

    Re: Talk about shooting yourself in the foot

    Hopefully the democrats pick up on the fact the GOP just painted a massive bulls-eye on their chest, and take the shot by picking up and running with what the republicans just so hastily dropped.

    Not likely, the Democrats seem to be pretty thoroughly owned by Hollywood.

     

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    nasch (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 10:39pm

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    Holy Facts!

    Do you even know what a strawman is? "Strawman" doesn't mean "wrong". Go look it up if you're confused.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 10:41pm

    Re: Obama administration: "Piracy is flat, unadulterated theft"

    and we should care, why?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 10:46pm

    Re: Re:

    What in the the flying fuck is a "freehadist?" That sounds so unbelievably silly. Thanks for lowering the discourse, it's totally appreciated. Keep up the good work.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 10:50pm

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    Everybody knows that musicians are recession-proof!

     

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    That Anonymous Coward (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 11:07pm

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    You take 1 snarky comment portraying the release of this report as a thinly veiled threat to the copyright cartels to raise more cash and somehow you manage to run way the hell off into left field with it.

    I'd ask how your mind works but I already know...
    GIGO

     

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    S. T. Stone, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 11:12pm

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    No, but I doubt yours complains about it.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 11:17pm

    Re: Re: References

    copyright is pro-choice for the individual, you are pro-exploitation for the corporation/s.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 11:17pm

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    it's not just speculation, it's WILD speculation... nice go girls...

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 11:18pm

    Re: Locking up ideas stifles progress

    how would you know?

     

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    Karl (profile), Nov 17th, 2012 @ 11:27pm

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    freehadist pillow fight at mikes!

    Worst. Porno. Ever.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 11:28pm

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    Look, hurricane head up your ass: facts don't count when they're unverified, and especially when they're unverified and paid for by the RIAA or some other alphabetical organisation bent on having copyright that lasts forever minus a day.

    Here, how about this: it is a fact that idiots like you have been screaming that piracy has killed the music industry since the invention of home taping. The music industry isn't dead.

    Therefore, you're a complete psychopath.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 11:33pm

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    government documents aren't copyrighted

    Why not issue a FOIA for it?

     

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    Mike S, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 11:50pm

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    Trust me, the heads of the MPAA and RIAA aren't any kind of liberal.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 11:53pm

    It's very simple. Hollywood just said: "We won't donate to your party if you don't remove this thing". That's all.

     

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    Shadow Dragon (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 12:36am

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    It's all about control of distribution and the Internet took that away. It's never about piracy at all.

     

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    Violated (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 12:48am

    Easy come, easy go.

    Well I don't think any of us expected this one to last long when this is like trying to offer a cool refreshing lollipop in the 7th level of Hell. Some things just do not go well together.

    They are stuck between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea on this one when sure 15 million people or more would support copyright reform but their funds come from the MPAA and RIAA.

    I would say don't be sad when this may be a first small step but it won't be the last. People will keep pushing because they know we need copyright reform which means it will pop up in other forms over the next few years.

    If anyone should be afraid then that should be Chris Dodd when SOPA & PIPA are dead, ACTA is in a coma, then CETA and TPP(A) are in our sights. It is like Chris Dodd can't get much done these days already where this copyright reform document appearing in the House is going is going to give that guy nightmares.

    Yes the MPAA and RIAA would totally freak out. To go ahead with this copyright reform would undo years of their work and bring fairness to the system. We can all see how screwed copyright law is and one day someone has to fix it. Heroes are in the making already so lets give them our support. We also welcome them to look facts and not the fantasy that usually comes out of the RIAA/MPAA.

     

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    Crosbie Fitch (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 1:24am

    Re: Just keep doing what we've done best.

    The prohibition of alcohol collapsed into repeal from staunch bipartisan support rather suddenly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repeal_of_Prohibition

    It can happen.

    The copyright cartel may have just done a Streisand on this, bringing to far more people's attention a dry reform proposal that would otherwise have come and gone, noticed as remarkable only by the interested.

    The elite copyright vampires just got a tad sunburnt by some fool opening the Overton window, and now they'll do a purge to ensure it doesn't happen again.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 1:27am

    It would be crazy for Republicans not to support this particular issue during the upcoming campaign. For a party that suffers from a lack of youth voting, this is one of the most important issues that they can bring up to get young people to vote.

     

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    Anla'shok Lan, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 1:28am

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    Correction: They caved to the power of the Almighty Dollar.

    Liberal, conservative, it doesn't matter - if you want to hold office, you need a metric fuckton of money, and Big Content will give its money to whoever supports their copyright agenda regardless of political affiliation.

    And, of course, if you don't... NO MONEY FOR YOU.

     

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    Dionaea (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 2:03am

    Oh jeez

    *looks at start of thread*

    Why do people always just HAVE to feed the trolls, even the obvious ones?

    Back on topic: I was developing Republican sympathies due to the report, but that has now been fully cured.

     

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    Ophelia Millais (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 2:08am

    Re: Obama administration: "Piracy is flat, unadulterated theft"

    Along those lines...I think it's a safe bet that these IP-protection advocates in the Obama administration are not TechDirt readers. Nobody representing the public interest has their ear, and it's not in their office's mission to respond to put the public interest ahead of industry and trade. Nevertheless, I feel it wouldn't hurt to at least make an attempt to make our point of view heard, especially if we can frame it in terms they're likely to respond to.

    I was going to say maybe someone should write to Secretary Locke and point out the gaffe, but he no longer holds that post. He is now Ambassador to China. His replacement stepped down. The current (acting) Secretary of Commerce is Rebecca Blank, Locke's former adviser and (apparently) co-author of the "IP and the U.S. Economy: Industries in Focus" report which was criticized here (click) earlier this year. Has anyone here made any effort whatsoever to transmit critical points of view to specific people in the Obama administration? Waiting for Republicans to do it doesn't seem like it's going to be very productive.

     

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    Dionaea (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 2:31am

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    Sad but true... Time to stop putting any money whatsoever in big content's pockets. Luckily my most recent fave musician is self published, so buying from him doesn't leave a bad aftertaste. Other than that I don't need to buy anything new to entertain me for the rest of my life, so they can rot, I'll just rewatch/reread/replay the stuff I already own.

     

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    Josef Anvil (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 2:33am

    Re:

    "You have to wonder if the RSC was shown debunked numbers and believed them..."

    The RSC was DEFINITELY shown numbers. They were shown the amounts of the cancelled campaign donations, and they definitely believed it.

     

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    btrussell (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 3:11am

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    How do you know the Pirate Bay doesn't have a "pending" list?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 3:14am

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    Copyright is fought for by the corporations so your point is logically false.

    It was originally designed that way but today is only used by the corporations to fuck the little guy.

     

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    Monday, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 3:18am

    Retracted Republican Assessment of Copyright Law

    The Report - Completely ORIGINAL and complete can be found here...
    http://issuu.com/lokimonday/docs/three_myths_about_copyright_law

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 3:19am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Stand Firm

    It obviously doesn't agree with his views, duh?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 3:22am

    Re: Re: Stand Firm

    Service is the key.

    I showed bit torrent to a colleague at work. He said 'This is so easy, I would happily pay for a service as good as this this?'

    There is money to be made in providing a service, they are just too lazy and stubborn to bother doing it.

     

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    raincntry, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 3:37am

    I think "without adequate review" means they didn't run it by their corporate overlords to see if they could say what the report shows. Reforms like these are so sorely needed. Copyright enforcement abuse is a huge problem that costs literally billions of dollars a year yet nobody in power seems to care.

     

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    Beech, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 3:54am

    Re: Re: How I Imagine it Going Down...

    Who said anything about getting enough votes to win the white house? That's waaaay down the road. 4 years from now the average schmoe will have forgotten all about this little kerfuffle (assuming they hear about it at all). Whereas now the House Republicans are able to milk Hollywood even harder for their next elections.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 4:31am

    Re: Re: Re: References

    got me there, because Masnick said so... check it out yourself..

    it was written, by Chris Sprigman not the reps,.,

    MASNICK SAID SO !!!!!

    who is Chris Sprigman you ask ??? well firstly he is not a part of the RSC...


    Chris Sprigman teaches intellectual property law, antitrust law, competition policy and comparative constitutional law. His scholarship focuses on how legal rules affect innovation and the deployment of new technologies.
    "


    University of virginia school of law..

    ok,, ill shit on you instead, next time read the freaking article.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 4:33am

    Re: Re: Re: References

    Kal Raustiala
    Professor, UCLA School of Law and UCLA International Institute
    Director, UCLA Ronald W. Burkle Center for International Relations
    UCLA Law faculty since 2000


    thats the other guy who wrote the paper, it's simply an academic paper, not a paper produced by RSC..

    again,, MASNICK SAID SO, facts are facts.. (except if you dont care to find them out)..

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 4:36am

    Re: Re: References

    Just in case you missed it..

    "Right after the Presidential election last week, Chris Sprigman and Kal Raustiala penned an opinion piece suggesting that one way the Republicans could "reset", and actually attract the youth vote,"

    notice the two authors, and the fact it is ONLY AN OPINION PIECE SUGGESTION,,,,, that ONE WAY...

    it's also not about copyright or rights, it's about

    "RESET" AND ACTUALLY ATTRACT VOTES"

    oh well nice try,, but just like patent laws, no prize for seconds.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 4:44am

    Right after the Presidential election last week, Chris Sprigman and Kal Raustiala penned an opinion piece suggesting that one way the Republicans could "reset", and actually attract the youth vote,


    opinion piece, not about copyright, but about getting votes, not written by the Reps, but written by two academics,,,...

    OPINION PIECE,,, SUGGESTING ONE WAY

    NOT a policy statement, not agreed upon, not supported by any politician, just a scummy opinion piece from some teachers who want to ensure tenure.

     

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    Coyo, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 4:44am

    Re: Re: Stand Firm

    THANK YOU!!

    Competent content creators (artists, studios, musicians, bands, authors, etc) can rely on their fans to support them. Most musicians do NOT make any money from CD sales, they make most of their living via merch and concert ticket sales.

    That is common knowledge.

    If you are geniunely a valid contributer to society and culture, SOMEONE who benefits from your contribution to culture will say, "TAKE MY MONEY, TAKE IT!" if you are doing a good enough job. If NOT, well, find another career path!

    Geniune contributions to culture and society will not be negatively affected by the abolition of copyright (a government-enforced monopoly on freaking IDEAS), but in fact, many contributers to society would actually be greatly assisted by doing away with the terror and control of copyright-holders over valid artists.

     

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    Coyo, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 4:52am

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    you're funny because you're so uninformed. copyright was originally intended to grant government monopoly to huge printing presses, so that no one could print whatever they wanted using movable type printing presses.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 4:53am

    "we reported on how the Republican Study Committee (the conservative caucus of House Republicans) had put out a surprisingly awesome report about copyright reform.

    BULLSHIT, RSC did not 'put out a report',

    Do you think a report and an opinion peice is the same thing ??

    Who put out this opinion peice ???

    the RSC ??? NO... idiot..

    Chris Sprigman and Kal Raustiala penned an opinion piece

    who is Shris and Kal ???? we'll they dont work for the RSC, they both are teachers in University..

    is it a report... NO

    it is an opinion peice ?? ... YES

    is it a suggestion ?? ... YES

    has it been ratified, agreed upon, supported or promoted by anyone in the RSC ???? .... NO

    Is it a "REPORT" from the RSC ??? NO, not a report, and not from the RSC..

    masnick magically turned it into something it never was, and never was intended for. Why, because masnick does these things, he is not one for letting the truth get in his way. (either that or he expects his readers to be as willfully blind as he seems to think you are)..

    but it was coming up to the weekend and he had to get SOME page hits. or his Google overlords would not be too happy with him...

     

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    Richard (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 4:57am

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    Copyright is fought for by the corporations so your point is logically false.

    It was originally designed that way but today is only used by the corporations to fuck the little guy.


    Actually it was always designed for the corporations. Originally it was the London Company of Stationers.

     

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    John Doe, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 4:57am

    Amusing Republican bashing

    Yes, the Republicans were quite stupid with this move, but to think the Democrats are better is completely nieve at best. The Democrats are the party of Hollywood. No copyright reform will ever come from them.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 4:58am

    Re: Re: Stand Firm

    Most musicians don't make much money from CD sales because you steal your music online instead of purchasing it.

    #inconvenienttruths

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 5:01am

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    that would be true, if the government owned all copyright.

    NO, it was created to protect universities and publishers from people making illegal copies of their works, just like it is now..

    to be a 'government monopoly' that would mean that no one but the government would be able to copyright material and profit from their work..

    you can do it, so can I, so how can that be defined as a monopoly ?? and what has it got to do with the government..

    the Government is simply upholding the laws, it's what governments do. !

    if you steal things (you probably do), you may not be stealing off the GOvernment, but it will be the Government that puts you in prison for breaking the law, not the person who you stole off.

    so I guess the Government does have a monopoly on enforcing the laws, and making the laws, as you are not allowed to do that yourself.. but as for the laws themselves, they are not a monopoly, not do they serve to protect a monopoly..

    they are just laws, things you are not allowed to do, theft is just one of said laws.

    how's your educational system going in the US, as were not seeing a big improvement !!!!

    is that really your level of understanding, or are you just acting stupid ??

     

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    Coyo, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 5:01am

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    Creators of WHAT, exactly? Are those that copyright grants monopoly of ideas to the most are actually contributing ANYTHING to culture and society? AT ALL?

    I dont think that such a HUGE and highly detailed and well-thought out release by this conservative organization would be at all in any way an accident.

    They were bullied into retracting their position (which originally was very surprisingly free-market for the party that has normally been very socially-conservative and fiscally-liberal, despite what they claim.

    This WAS a very refreshing reminder that the republican party was originally a party representing individual liberty, individual self-determination, and the freedom to pursue happiness as an individual.

    The party as a whole has largely devolved from their original Lincoln origins into a bunch of extremely loud churchpeople forcing their own extremely brittle anxieties and insecurities into national policy over what WAS a great nation of revolutionaries.

    So much for the American Dream, so much for individual liberies and self-determination. So much for small government and free markets.

    Back to government-enforced monopolies on freaking IDEAS.

    Thank you very much, Ye Grande Olde Party.

    What a bunch of sellouts.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 5:08am

    Re: Re: Re: Link to the original report?

    "Hard to believe someone in Washington DC came up with it!"


    Then dont, they didn't, read masnicks original article again, and find out who wrote it, and who they are..

    get some facts in you,,

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 5:09am

    Re: Re: Just keep doing what we've done best.

    No.

    Nobody cares. This was no different than if you or Masnick or Lessig or some other weirdo zealot posted some idiot freehadist manifesto and it accidentally slipped through onto a site before being reviewed.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 5:11am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Stand Firm

    IT IS NOT A REPORT, IT HAS NEVER BEEN A REPORT... it is most certainly NOT A GOVT REPORT..

    what dont you get,,, IT"S NOT A FUCKING GOVT REPORT, it's an OP ED from two laywers, from two seperate uni's..

    IT"S A FUCKING SUGGESTION,, NOT A REPORT..

    masnick would have you believe that, but as usual if you read between the lines, or the actual lines you see it's just bullshit...

    opinion peice

     

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    Coyo, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 5:13am

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    This guy is a regular clown.

    Laugh. He's hilarious. Look at this baffoon.

    Anyway. The GOP is NOT about government monopoly on ANYTHING.

    The GOP is about business, not specifically BIG business, they are about ALL business, including that of actual cultural contributors.

    The GOP, as Lincoln founded it, was about the ability to earn a better life for yourself, and your family.

    Obviously, with the existence of the MPAA and RIAA, entrepreneuralism is pretty much crushed underneath companies that just wont die. Their death is long overdue.

    What they probably don't realize is that all members of the MPAA and RIAA are a bunch of zombies, and eventually, some guy with a shotgun will make very short work of them.

    Meanwhile, I'll sit here with my wine cooler and artisan bread, and commission and patron some artists directly, outside of any publisher's control.

    The big publishers can sit on a Thor greased with pure capsaicin oil and rotate till Hell freezes over.

    If you don't know what a Thor is, you probably should not open a new tab, and search google images for "thor toy" without safe search enabled.

    It's about time the GOP returned to their traditional roots for once, instead of parading around like a bunch of westboro baptists trying to convert the masses at gunpoint.

     

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    gorehound (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 5:15am

    Re: Don't let this report die.

    F#ck The MAFIAA !
    I look forward to the day you are all dead and gone.
    I hate the MAFIAA.
    No hope in Politicians.Sick of both Parties in a big way.

     

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    The eejit (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 5:20am

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    No, it really wasn't. Go look up your history. Then come back. Copyright is a purely mercantilist concept, and anyone saying otherwise is literally an ignoramus who should be ignored.

    Moreover, "because it's the LAW!!!" is not a valid argument either. Remember the "Rule of Thumb"? Or the law saying that you could own a person?

     

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    The eejit (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 5:23am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Stand Firm

    ...So why is it signed by the RSC Chairman and subcommittee members? Or is everyone a Google shill in the GOP?

     

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    Adam, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 5:25am

    Berne Convention

    I'm surprised no one has mentioned this, but we can't reform copyright in the US without forgoing some treaties which protect us overseas. Specifically the Berne Convention to which the US became a party in the '80's mandates copyright protection to last for 70 years after the death of the author - we can't change that unless we want to lose the protection to our works overseas. Alternatively, all the countries that are parties to the relevant treaties could agree to a shorter duration, and change the treaties, but that's no small feat.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 5:27am

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    no it does not mean wrong, it means FALSE !!!!

     

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    The eejit (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 5:28am

    Re: Re: Re: Just keep doing what we've done best.

    Dude, if anyone here was a freehadist, you'd be dead under the weight of billions of free music files that are perfectly legal.

     

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    Coyo, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 5:28am

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    Dude, listen.

    I don't have all day, so let me make this very brief.

    Your idea that "government monopoly" means that the government uses their guns and laws to ONLY give themselves complete control over something (such as an idea) is silly.

    Copyright is about granting complete unilateral control of ideas to whoever pays the most money for that idea, or gets their stupid paper in the copyright office faster.

    The assumption on your part is that a government monopoly only counts of the government ITSELF occupies the tepid waters under their guns.

    This is not correct.

    If government, by way of the "power invested in them" *snerk* allows any organization to seize control of ideas, this doesnt ONLY include themselves, could be any organization that meets their criteria, whatever that may be.

    In the end, it makes the GOP look extremely shallow and cowardly.

    ALSO: Anyone who argues that copyright actually empowers the individual is deluded. The copyright law is DELIBERATELY too complicated for any single individual to manage, even with a team of fucking copyright lawyers.

    This argument is laughable. You're a freaking clown.

    No, it is very clear to me, after listening to EFF, and many other organizations that focus on such things, that the situation is mostly power struggles over ideas (which cannot REALLY be controlled) between multibillion dollar megacorporations.

    BTW, not even Steve Jobs and Bill Gates combined can match the wealth of those international corporations, including the media conglomerates which hold 99.98% of all copyright holdings.

    It is pure folly to propose that anyone has even a teeny tiny sliver of hope to go from rags to riches enough to make a tiny freaking DENT in the power of those massive corporations, which, btw, are OWNED overwhelming by OTHER corporations.

    The GOP, by selling out like little pansies to the armies of lawyers of these organizations to enforce their little fiefdoms strikes me as a bunch of pansy career politicians who dont stand for anything, dont give a damn about their country, much less the international society and culture.

    Supposedly, the GOP was about business, individual liberties, self-determination, but now? It's just a farce.

    The Democrats are no better, BTW. The Democratic party has the worst track record for dragging this country into war over random crap. So much for peace-loving rationalist who want a better "equal" chance for all humans.

    Everyone in politics is a goddamned sellout, Fullstop.

     

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    Coyo, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 5:37am

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    Thank you!

    I was very sure I had that correct, more or less.

    I'll need to chew on some wikipedia tonight, but the above poster is correct: This issue is too big to ignore, people are going to demand that this government-enforced monopoly over ideas end.

    If the government DOESNT do that, then we ALL know what the situation will quickly turn into.

    The Latinos and other hardworking family-oriented citizens will realize that the GOP is NOT standing for the ability for any individual and his family to gain a better place in the world under his own power, sweat, blood, and tears.

    That they are just spinning their wheels.

    The hippies and communists and other Democrats will realize that their government wont actually come between the corporations that matter to protect the hardworking working class, much less themselves.

    Buying votes by stealing from the middle class (thus preventing them from breaching the inter-class barrier) and giving to the poor, thus making them suck on the government's titty..

    The entire thing will undoubtedly collapse.

    If not, well, the silly masquerade dance will be finally over, and everyone will realize we all have collars, and there wont be a damned thing we can about it.

     

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    Coyo, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 5:48am

    Re: Obama administration: "Piracy is flat, unadulterated theft"

    I am completely entirely convinced that that those stories those artists and writers wrote were ABSOLUTELY not influenced in ANY way, whatsoever, by the publishers greasing their palms, or anything like that.

    If these artists or authors were really any good, their fans would rally to ensure their livelihood.

    Instead, they take their sense of entitlement and beg the fucking government to stop people from trying their stuff and deciding it's crap.

     

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    The Real Michael, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 5:51am

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    "what you fail to realize is the copyright protects the individual from exploitation by the corporation - you're fighting for exploitation, copyright fights against it."

    Um, not true at all on either point. If copyright protected artists from exploitation then please explain the 'work for hire' stipulation practically every (non-music) artist is under, giving corporate entities sole ownership of their work? Explain the nasty attempt by the RIAA to slip in a provision which would change a musical recording into a 'work for hire,' thus granting major labels full ownership? When it comes to exploiting artists and musicians, the corporations wrote the book.

    "and that is why you have been, and will continue to lose. no copyright reform has happened. lessig has lost across the board, barlow is a nut job for whom even google's own chief economist disagree's with..."

    As I said, it's only a matter of time (and nothing to do with Lessig nor Barlow). We're going to have to make some serious concessions to our budget. Blowing huge wads of cash on the copyright welfare system is on that list.

    "you've slowed the adoption of proper enforcement of existing laws, but that's it. eventually your feudal ways will subside to rational thought and much of this is just about awareness anyway."

    There's nothing feudal about copyright lasting for 14 years.

    "common, good people know theft when they see it. why not support the people running legal businesses? why do you insist on rewarding criminals?"

    Keeping copyright locked up for over 100 years is theft of the public domain. It was never meant to last for so long.

    You're attempting to dictate morals to me, a practicing Catholic, so let me tell you a little something about immoral behavior. When companies blatantly bribe our politicians into lengthening the lifespan of laws just to suit their greedy ambitions, then turn around and rob artists of both due pay (which is to defraud them) AND the rights to their work, THAT is what we consider THEFT. God gives freely to us, who do not truly deserve it, all that we need to survive. So how is it that you people have villanized normal citizens for doing completely normal things? What position are you in to talk down on others? Why is somebody who shares music with his friends or lets a friend borrow or copy a film no better than a common thief in your eyes, yet when corporations get fat off other people's work, you turn a blind eye?

    Go ahead, I await your reply.

     

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    Coyo, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 5:57am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Link to the original report?

    Thank you, i now have a full copy. This is going to be fun.

    *sighs* What a bunch of pansy cowardly sellouts.

     

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    The Real Michael, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 6:06am

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    Disregarding the rest of your post...

    "a jr intern goes off half-cocked and you take it as gospel, thank god the adults got home just in time to maybe save some face."

    You mean to say that the corporate lobbyists pulled their strings in order to get their way. All that matters to them is that they continue to monopolize culture in order to satiate their greed. What good could possibly come out of that?

     

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    The Real Michael, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 6:13am

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    You keep bringing up this mysterious "middle-class" of musicians. The difference is that now, with the independent culture, any artist can play in the free market. The major labels used to be the only ones who would pick and choose the winners and losers, but now the market (that is, the consumers) can decide. That music quality has suffered in recent times is the byproduct of the major labels actively promoting junk music which, unfortunately, many aspiring artists attempt to sound like.

     

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    Coyo, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 6:14am

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    Thank you. There's a reason I love Catholics.

    They generally have a much more nuanced and well-thought-out view compared to Protestant churches.

    I am glad to see a true Catholic on here. There are far too many among the Catholic community who dont even attend their sacraments or practice very basic elements of their faith.

    Kudos to you for being authentic, genuine, and firm in your faith.

    To add to the above guy's commentary, Copyright has a very long history, and was originally pushed into law to prevent ordinary individuals from being able to print what he pleased.

    It went downhill from there.

    If you believe that any artist of any kind under the employ of any members of MPAA or RIAA actually own any of their work, are fairly compensated, or generally contribute anything meaningful to society, I'd suggest you go to the local library and ready up on the history of copyright.

    If you think that individuals running independent publishers will really be hurt by the repeal and abolishment of copyright (and other intellectual property bullcrap) then you probably dont understand what culture even IS.

    What artists produce is not any product. It's not a piece of paper, it's not a plastic disk. What artists produce cannot be measured by a ruler. What artists produce are new ideas and culture.

    That is a SERVICE.

    Let me repeat, what ANY artist, of any kind, produces, is actually a Service.

    I am confident that independent publishers will be nimble enough to realize this and provide a facilitative role between content creators and innovators and their many, many fans.

    Those who are touched by your art, if it contributes anything worthwhile to society at all, will be compensated by the loyalty of your fans.

    If you dont have even a single fan, you really should consider switching careers. Seriously.

    To spell it out for anyone who's confused by this, if you have zero fans, it means you contribute nothing noteworthy to society whatsoever, and to EXPECT and DEMAND payment of something no one gives a shit about is extremely precious, coming from a worthless good-for-nothing wannabe artist.

     

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    Coyo, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 6:22am

    Re: Re: Link to the original report?

    Why dont you do it anyway, and record it, and sell it to Sony BMG? I'm sure it'll be a best seller!

     

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    The Real Michael, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 6:25am

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    Yes, copyright is being used in a backhanded way to control how the internet and related technologies operate, as well as maintain the corps' monopoly on culture, preventing it from going into the public domain ...where so much of it rightly belongs.

    They've had our culture locked up for decades. Had copyright remained as it was always supposed to be (14 years), there would be an abundance of original works, people would have access to older works and the government wouldn't need to spend our tax dollars working to protect this busted corporate welfare system. Instead, here comes a remake of Robocop...

     

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    The Real Michael, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 6:29am

    Re: Berne Convention

    If they were able to expand it, they are just as capable of shortening it.

     

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    Coyo, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 6:29am

    Re:

    Yeah, this is VERY clear evidence that these government officials are not merely incompetent.

    They are actively, willfully malicious and deceitful.

    They KNOW what the correct course of action actually is, and yet they STILL eat from the dogbowls set out by the largest members of the lobbyist groups.

    Just goes to show, doesnt it?

     

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    Greevar (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 6:32am

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    They do have a some semblance of immortality. Their kids will grow up to be just like them and being rich, they'll want to get into office so they can vote laws in place to keep and expand their wealth for their own children. The cycle never ends because the government allows political dynasties that pander to the 0.1%.

     

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    Greevar (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 6:34am

    Re: Re: Don't let this report die.

    Yeah, right. What the GOP said in that report was "extreme" and not at all admitting that copyright itself has become extreme. How much does Hollywood pay you to say that crap?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 6:36am

    Re: Re:

    Yep. We keep hearing about how the American people supposedly want "change", yet they keep voting for the same two parties over and over. It's been said that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 6:37am

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    "Corporations" is misleading in this regard. "Publishers" is more appropriate, unless you're arguing that modern corporations had similar theories of IP as publishers and bookbinders in the 16th c. They did not, as statutory copyright was in its infancy then.

    One point I think is raised by your response - and it's an important one - is the explicit role of state censorship in the granting of monopoly powers to publishers. The Stationer's copyright was meant as a cooperative agreement between Elizabeth's court and the increasingly powerful Stationers' Co. Note the early terms of disagreement between what can properly be called an IP lobbying group and the Elizabethan grant of charter: the proposal was rejected because "there is great abuse in the printers of books...whereby arises great disorder by publication of unfruitful, vain, and infamous books and papers." Some of our constitutional language is derived from the later Statute of Anne, and it's remarkable, in some ways, how little the statutory rationale and implementation of copyright has changed, historically - though the focus of protection shifts somewhat to the author, the end user has never had rights associated directly to the "advancement of the arts" and in fact is limited by these monopoly rights (see also coyo's comments below).

     

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    Jacob, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 6:39am

    What can one expect?

    The Republican movement is still controlled where the rubber meets the road by true politicians. Its quite a problem.

    It also does not help when the MPAA has an political old crony, Chris Dodd, running it.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 6:40am

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    We didn't start the fire, but when we are gone, it will still burn on and on and on.

     

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    Ophelia Millais (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 6:48am

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    Um...

    We at the RSC take pride in providing informative analysis of major policy issues and pending legislation that accounts for the range of perspectives held by RSC Members and within the conservative community. Yesterday you received a Policy Brief on copyright law that was published without adequate review within the RSC and failed to meet that standard.

    Just sayin'...

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 6:52am

    Young people to Reagan were like "Look like Tarzan and smelled like Cheetah"

     

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    The Real Michael, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 6:52am

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    Thanks for the well-articulated reply.

    As a practicing Catholic, I believe in due compensation for work, and that includes for everybody. (It is wrong to discriminate.) However, what I am against is this incessant bribery that is occuring in Washington, as is evidenced by this article, as well as their habit of locking down culture solely for the sake of a few corporates' financial gain.

    Copyright should be, as the now-retracted report specified, reformed to its original state. Within that period of time, it would be only just to fairly compensate artists for said works. Then it would serve the common good.

    However, I believe that copyright in its current form has mutated into a wholly abusive tool for corporations to exploit others' works and, as such, no longer is about promoting the sciences and useful arts. It's solely about profit and control for a select few individuals.

    I'm not going to justify things like downloading movies, music, games/software and literature which somebody is trying to make a living from -- they ought have that right reserved. But if copyright were shortened to 14 years, people would, and in fact already should, have access to their culture without the risk of litigation or being thrown off the internet.

    If I make a mix CD for a friend, for example, that's not theft -- that's called generosity. By no means do I have to share or give anything to anyone, yet if I choose to, who are these people to label me a thief? Now there is a difference between sharing something with a friend and handing it out for the entire world to grab for free. I don't agree with that. But what I do in my private life with the stuff I own (yes, OWN, not LICENSED) is really none of their business.

     

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    Ophelia Millais (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 6:58am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Stand Firm

    OK, have it your way, it's not a "report." It is, however, an RSC "Policy Brief" provided as part of "informative analysis of major policy issues and pending legislation".

    Feel better now?

     

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    Coyo, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 6:58am

    Re: Re:

    Movies are a service, and besides, theaters make all of the huge amounts of license money back via an actual product -- concessions.

    Why would a photographer print t-shirts when he or she can do photography for others freelance, or post his or her images on a blog, and accept donations to continue.

    You arent going to confuse this issue.

     

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    Gwiz (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 7:05am

    Re: Re: Just keep doing what we've done best.

    Yes, please keep it front and center so we can always see it and hold it up for all to see the magnificent mistake of a jr republican stooge!

    How about we keep it front and center simply because it looks at copyright with some fucking common sense.

    Why, exactly, are you attempting to suppress it? Based on the fury of comments I see, this report scares you doesn't it?

     

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    Coyo, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 7:09am

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    Intellectual property of any kind, including copyright, is a perversion of capitalism.

    You sully capitalism's name by claiming that a government-enforced monopoly is in ANY way a capitalist approach to ANYTHING.

    You fail at understanding anything about capitalism.

    Capitalism is not about being in indentured servitude to an extremely tiny population of individuals.

    Ahem:

    Capitalism is an economic system that is based on private ownership of the means of production and the creation of goods or services for profit. Other elements central to capitalism include competitive markets and capital accumulation.

    You can thank me later.

    What a shill.

     

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    Ophelia Millais (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 7:14am

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    "Freehadist" is a word apparently made up by David Lowery, and as such is pretty much confined to posts and comments on The Trichordist... and the occasional spillover from there to here.

     

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    The Real Michael, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 7:18am

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    P.S.

    Just to be clear, when I say that copyright should be shortened, that has nothing to do with my faith -- it's just personal opinion.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 7:19am

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    That's a nice stance you have there. I am sure the women love you. The respect you show is impressive. /s

    Talk about out of touch.

     

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    Coyo, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 7:27am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Stand Firm

    that is not what the actual policy brief says.

    Nowhere in the actual policy brief does it even mention those two universities.

    It had the RSC and the House of Representatives front and center, and searching for your supposed law professor's names within the document turned up absolutely nothing.

    All professors cite and attribute their work. Why would this policy brief be any different?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 7:32am

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    copyright is pro-choice, pro-liberty, pro-freedom... of the individual. when you take copyright away from the individual you are pro-exploitation, pro-corporation.

    copyright protect the individual from corporate exploitation, without it, there would be no record contracts, no publishing deals, no advances and marketing paid to artists and on their behalf.

    you guys have been smelling your own farts for so long that it's warped your feeble minds into a backasswards understanding of copyright law - and that is why you, lessig barlow and the whole boat of clowns fail.

     

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    Coyo, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 7:35am

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    BTW a prolonged google search finally unearthed the esoteric meaning of the perjorative "Freehadist."

    It basically is the same as "Freetard," in other words, the person who throws this silly insult is saying that you refuse to pay for anything, including valid services of art creation, and the implication is that you're a communist of some kind, and very cheap and shiesty.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 7:35am

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    yes, yes, yes... please let them commit suicide by alienating all of the important innovative music, film, authors, photographers and other creators who are responsible for the greatest cultural economy the world has ever seen.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 7:38am

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    copyright is pro-liberty, pro-individual, pro-choice when you remove copyright you remove liberty and freedom from the individual.

    you don't like record labels, fine, any wrong doing should be unacceptable including by the likes of the pirate bay and google. two (or more) wrings don't make a right.

     

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    Keith Prime, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 7:56am

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    He abbreviated it. The full wording is GOVERNMENT GRANTED MONOPOLY. Copyright doesn't exist if the Government doesn't allow it.

    A problem some Americans have w/ Copyright is that it is anti-Capitalistic. Patents & Copyrights artificially makes sure there isn't market competition on certain things. Artificially making sure there isn't competition is otherwise called a Monopoly.

     

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    Lurker Keith, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 7:57am

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    Not sure why the bold & italic tags didn't close right. Might've been a typo...

     

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    Coyo, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 7:59am

    Pirate Party versus Ninja Party! Go!

    May i suggest a new dynamic duo?

    Instead of Republican and Democrat...

    Ninja versus Pirate!

    The Ninja Party represents the Shoguns, in other words, the Founding Principles, Free-Markets, Powerful Military, etc.

    It's basically a blend between the best of the Libertarian Party and Constitution Party combined.

    Ninja Party versus the Pirate Party!

    The Party Party represents pure unadulterated direct electronic democracy, a very thin and transparent government, and complete and total enforcement of honesty in all aspects of government (except extremely severe cases of national security, but even then, there's a shorter limit on withholding such information)

    When you completely replace the dynamic between the Republicans and Democrats with the Ninjas and Pirates, you have a complete refutation of the validity of the current hegemony.

    What do you guys think?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 8:02am

    Mike--

    Do you actually have any evidence whatsoever to back up your assertions that the trade groups "went ballistic" and that the report had been "fully vetted" by the RSC?

    Or are you seriously this much of a desperate foaming-at-the-mouth zealot that you actually just made up the whole scenario?

    I dare you to answer honestly (and I know that you can't/won't).

     

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    mrtraver (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 8:03am

    Democrats won't swoop in to save the day

    Even they will find the entertainment industry's money more attractive than a few million votes from the youngsters.

     

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    Coyo, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 8:09am

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    "The Trichordist is a community blog for those interested in contributing to the advancement of an Ethical Internet, and the protection of Artists Rights in the Digital Age."

    Yeah, because that doesnt sound suspiciously like a barrel of RIAA shills at all.

     

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    Coyo, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 8:20am

    Re:

    I wish the Libertarian Party actually stood a chance at seriously threatening to do what the Republicans refuse to do.

    If only it were a Libertarian Party candidate versus a Pirate Party candidate.

    For anyone who isnt on the up and up about these two groups,

    The Libertarian Party more resembles the traditional GOP as opposed to so-called neo-conservativism, or social conservatism.

    The Libertarian Party believes government should be as small, local, and minimal as possible, and leave everything possible to the free markets. Just as the Internet is self-regulated, so can the free markets self-regulate in a similar manner. We do not need a paternalistic police state dictating our every breath.

    On the other corner is the Pirate Party!

    The Pirate Party believes in extremely transparent, open, and accessible government, to the point of involving every concerned citizen in direct electronic democracy, a modern version of the greco-roman model, where citizens directly participated in decision-making.

    The Pirate Party also has an extremely firm stance on intellectual property of any kind, absolute abolishment, but if it cant get that, then very significant reform.

    Knowledge of any significant kind, from the training for skilled labor, to higher mathematics, science and engineering should be provided (by the government) for free to all people.

    This knowledge would be provided by way of a neutral Internet. This network neutrality would be enforced by the national government as part of inter-state trade regulation.

    Although I have a few minor implementation disputes with the Pirate Party, I would vastly rather see the Pirate Party gain majority in senate and the supreme court, then continue with this charade with the Republicans and Democrats.

    Good luck to both parties, Libertarian (Ninja) and Pirate (Direct Electronic Democrat), may the best candidate win!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 8:20am

    Re: How I Imagine it Going Down...

    Right on the money.

     

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    The Real Michael, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 8:22am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    "copyright is pro-choice, pro-liberty, pro-freedom... of the individual. when you take copyright away from the individual you are pro-exploitation, pro-corporation.

    copyright protect the individual from corporate exploitation, without it, there would be no record contracts, no publishing deals, no advances and marketing paid to artists and on their behalf."

    What a way to completely ignore everything that was said.

    Basically, you're admitting that you're in favor of a system wherein a few wealthy people exploit our culture for their own financial gain, because that's exactly what copyright does. If you're so concerned about "protecting the artists," tell me, what are you doing about the corporates who take away ownership of their works, game the system and cheat them out of their fair wages?

     

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    Pete Pomeroy, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 8:32am

    in case you want to send a note to the RSC...

    ... here are the email addresses of 3 of the leaders:

    curtis.rhyne@mail.house.gov
    derek.Khanna@mail.house.gov
    brad.watson@mail.house.gov

     

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    The Real Michael, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 8:33am

    Re: Re: Locking up ideas stifles progress

    The underlying point being that, today, copyright's sole purpose is to enforce monopoly of culture and that politicians, who would otherwise reform it, are blinded by corporate bribery. The RIAA, MPAA and others have infested Washington with their point men lobbyists and this has created an imbalance in the system, biased heavily to their favor.

    Bribing a politician is, in and of itself, illegal and unethical. Yet because of a semantics game -- calling political cash "free speech" -- they continue to get away with it.

     

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    Coyo, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 8:37am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Where is Abraham Lincoln the Vampire Slayer when you need him? :P

    These guys at the MPAA/RIAA are sucking so much blood, I'm surprised they have not contracted some strange blood-borne epidemic.

     

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    Rikuo (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 8:37am

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    What's a wring?

    And how is copyright pro-liberty, pro-individual, pro-choice?

    If I write something down right now on a piece of paper, or take a photograph with a camera, I automatically have copyright over it. I cannot opt out. I can reduce the scope of my copyright over it by using a CC license, but they depend on copyright in order to work. So no, copyright is NOT pro-choice.
    Pro-liberty? How? I am not at liberty to copy certain things, even things where the copyright holder is unknown.
    Pro-individual? What does that even mean?

     

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    Coyo, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 8:39am

    Re: Obama administration: "Piracy is flat, unadulterated theft"

    Looks like Obama and the ultra-wealthy Hollywood elite have been in bed together lately.

    Because that is suspiciously what this sounds like.

    So much for the so-called Democratic Party. Where's the Pirate Party when you need them?

     

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    Rikuo (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 8:39am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    "if you steal things (you probably do), you may not be stealing off the GOvernment, but it will be the Government that puts you in prison for breaking the law, not the person who you stole off. "

    Ah yes, the "let's just assume our opponent on the other side of the debate is a criminal" approach to debating. What proof do you have that he is a thief?

     

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    Coyo, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 8:44am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Stand Firm

    Even putting aside how those two universities and lawyers you speak of have no presence on the report itself, which i find highly suspicious just by itself...

    Let's say this WAS merely a suggestion by copyright law professors.

    It's a damned thorough and informed policy brief.

    Even if the Republicans in the House did NOT originally publish this from the house of representatives under their own name, which is questionable, it may turn the GOP completely around by making their party relevant again.

    I say demand the Republican Representatives show some freaking backbone, and break through Democratic Filibuster and force a majority vote to shove this through.

    It's a damned good policy, all things considered.

    I would PREFER Total Abolishment of ALL intellectual property (including logos!), but this is a lot better than I'd ever hope to see in the Congress in 20 years!

     

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    Rikuo (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 8:45am

    Re: Obama administration: "Piracy is flat, unadulterated theft"

    And I should care about one guys's retirement fund because...seriously I need a reason. Everyone who saves up for retirement...
    hang on, bad argument there. That songwriter wasn't actually [I] saving [/I] up for retirement. He was hoping that he would do a job [I] once [/I] and that society would provide for his retirement without any significant effort on his part at all.

     

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    Rikuo (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 8:49am

    Re: Re: Re: Stand Firm

    Or maybe...it's because few people want CD's any more? I don't. I used to use CDs. Not anymore. The disc drive on my computer hasn't even been opened in over six months.
    Here's a perfectly valid sentence that is correct and cannot be disputed
    "Most musicians don't make much money from tape cassette sales because you (more than likely) don't have a cassette player and thus, don't want tapes".

     

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    Coyo, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 8:50am

    Re: Re: Don't let this report die.

    What a shill.

     

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    techflaws (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 8:52am

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    Greatest? I thought you said it was destroyed by piracy? Now, what's it gonna be?

     

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    Coyo, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 8:52am

    Investment Bankers are the 0.05%

    More like 0.05% on a serious note.

    The top 0.05% are those with true power and ability to shut the door firmly in the faces of everyone beneath them.

    The top 0.05% are composed entirely of international investment bankers, just so everyone knows.

     

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    techflaws (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 8:53am

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    You "dare" him? I'm sure it'll impress the hell out of him.

     

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    The Real Michael, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 8:56am

    Re: Democrats won't swoop in to save the day

    And therein lies the heart of the problem: corporate money in politics. So long as the lobbyists can woo politicians over to their side with money, there's no way to stop the corruption from continuing unabated.

    Perhaps before we look into copyright reform, we need to reconsider checks and balances in politics.

     

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    Rikuo (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 8:59am

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    "so the live version of a film is that there should only be live theater? wow, just wow. so much for logic and reason."

    No, there would still be cinema theatres. Theatres sell a scarce resource: the seat. There are only so many screens and so many seats in the theatre, that its simple, basic economics to charge to be allowed to sit in a particular seat for two hours. There will more than likely always be a demand for theatres (at least, until the holodeck is invented).
    Photographers? Perhaps they can try new ways of monetizing their work. Instead of selling easily copyable copies of photographs, perhaps they can work commissions, i.e. highly skilled photographers can charge to take beautiful looking shots or teach classes/workshops on photography...hang on, that's what they already do!

     

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    Rikuo (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 9:03am

    Re: Re: libertarian

    Okay then, what happens if I draw and then try to sell a Mickey Mouse comic?
    I get legal threats from Disney, that's what happens.
    So...how does copyright protect me from the corporation again?

     

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    nasch (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 9:05am

    Re: Re: Re: References

    OK, so one point down, it wasn't written by the RSC.

    "Right after the Presidential election last week, Chris Sprigman and Kal Raustiala penned an opinion piece suggesting that one way the Republicans could "reset", and actually attract the youth vote,"


    So it was not a piece about "here's what the other side thinks", as you claimed.

    Masnick knows this, he also knows that Hollywood would not even bother to say anything in relation to this, it's the REPS after all, there was no lobbying in this case..

    Now, got any evidence for this one?

     

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    jameshogg (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 9:06am

    "Freehadist?"

    (Sorry mods, I hit return instead of tab to get from subject box to comment box and sent a blank comment.)

    I don't think I can let this word go by easily.

    I am somebody who thinks of the religious, theocratic threat from Islam as a very serious danger to humanity as they have proven themselves in the ongoing civil wars in the Middle East and Asia, let alone the attacks on civil society in other countries around the world, such as East Timor, Spain, Nigeria, the USA and UK etc. And that secular values must be defended against with force against Orwellian, totalitarian, God-mandated regimes. This includes a very likely justified fight against Saddam Hussein and the military that enslaves North Korea. I am with the faction of the Left that stems back all the way to the 30's - the bunch that would proudly declare that "fascism means war" and that if there are ever any "just wars" in this world, it must be against all forms of totalitarianism that treat 1984 as a grand inspiration instead of a dire warning.

    So, having said that, let me make this very clear: the use of the word "freehadist" as a means to compare the odd kid who does the equivalent of buying a DVD from ebay and selling it again for the same price as a religious fascist bent on death and destruction is a FUCKING DISGRACE. I have no choice but to treat with contempt those who compare your every day common-sense-minded person with theocrats. It is an absolute insult to everyone who ever questioned the idea of copyright and a filthy, revolting slander.

    It is something I will not have said. And neither should anyone else here.

     

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    Kaden (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 9:14am

    Re: Re: Re: Stand Firm

    Most musicians don't make money from CD sales because physical media is dead. Get with the times, ya dinosaur... The only people who like shiny plastic discs are the old white guys in suits who manufacture them.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 9:16am

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    I would argue that piracy actually disincentives creativity, since you can just offer other people's works for download rather than create your own.

     

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    silverscarcat (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 9:19am

    Re: Re: Re: Stand Firm

    you can still buy CDs?

     

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    Gwiz (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 9:20am

    Re: Berne Convention

    Specifically the Berne Convention to which the US became a party in the '80's mandates copyright protection to last for 70 years after the death of the author

    No, actually the Berne Convention mandates 50 years after death.

    But that is the really unique part about this proposal, it wouldn't limit copyright to less than what is required in Berne, it simply provides incentives not to keep the copyright that long.

     

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    Griffdog (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 9:25am

    A sure sign of commitment

    We see it happen a couple times a week, and we cheer and rejoice. Some person or organization gets a threat from some self-important jerk, and instead of backing down and removing the published content, our hero posts the threat so that we can all see what's happening.

    On the day when a politician refuses to accept a bribe or bow to a threat and instead publicizes the attempt, that's the day when I'll be happy about supporting a politician. Until then, politicians will remain in my estimation somewhere below the morality and trustworthiness of the proverbial used car salesman.

     

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    silverscarcat (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 9:31am

    Re: Re: Re:

    Does the internet REALLY need that much oversight?

     

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    Adam, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 9:47am

    Re: Re: Berne Convention

    I stand corrected - Berne mandates only a death+50 year minimum.

     

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    Mike Masnick (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 9:53am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: References

    got me there, because Masnick said so... check it out yourself..

    it was written, by Chris Sprigman not the reps,.,

    MASNICK SAID SO !!!!!


    Reading fail. It was NOT written by Sprigman. I mentioned TWO separate things. 1. was an op ed by Sprigman and Raustiala. 2. was the RSC report. They are entirely different items.

    The RSC paper was written by the Republican Study Committee and is an official "policy brief."

     

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    Digitari, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 10:00am

    Re:

    wow just wow. anyone that thinks this is a bad Idea deserves "Red Dawn" ( Geee ANOTHER Remake ) so much for the progress of the Arts


    I have not bought Music or Movies in 15 years. I visit the Library, yes I'm a "frehadist"



    the *AA's and Hollywood only get pennies of my monies

    I have nothing on My PC that is not mine

    I do not watch TV I do sometimes listen to radio in cars but thats all the Music I hear


    Keep up the good works folks but still at some point you WILL die off.

    I really hope I live to see the day the US president is voted into office with only 10 thousand votes, the young in America will not care for the MSM propaganda in the near future, they HAVE the internet.

    Knowledge is power, the internet if full of Knowledge..

    and is the true Power of the Future

     

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    Kevin Rhoads, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 10:01am

    Re: Link to the original report?

    In any case, I (Lauren Weinstein) preserved a copy of the original report, and have marked it so that there can be no confusion about the fact that the RNC has disowned it:

    http://j.mp/SD3ulX (Lauren's Blog)

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 10:07am

    We need to ask Teller to re-submit this paper with what he
    considers adequate review and reasonable recommendations.

    That way they have to expose their real position and face
    the real consequences. Do not let them just hope this issue
    will go away if they ignore it.

     

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    Karl (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 10:18am

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    Yeah, because that doesnt sound suspiciously like a barrel of RIAA shills at all.

    It's the site of David Lowery, former front-man for Camper Van Beethoven and Cracker. It exists mainly to rant against the Internet in general, and Google in particular, under the flimsy excuse of "protecting artists' rights."

    You may remember Lowery from when Techdirt wrote a critique of a Facebook post he made (loosely outlining a talk he gave). Where, in response, Lowery went ballistic, threatened to sue, pulled the Facebook post, and continued to pollute the comments section of nearly every story with off-topic ad hominems for days. You probably also remember him from his attempts to public shame an NPR intern for admitting to sharing music.

    Occasionally he has "guest posts" from the likes of Chris Castle, the copyright lawyer behind the equally-ridiculous Music Technology Policy, or from whichever disgruntled artist he can dig up (so far just Gavin Castleton, Chris Whitten, and Zack Hemsey). I actually debated Castleton in the comments section here (as did others). He also regularly links to laughably inaccurate sites like Pop Up Pirates.

    So, generally he's trying to be a clearing-house for copyright maximalist propaganda. But an RIAA shill he's not, unless you think being a musician on a major label makes you an "RIAA shill."

     

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    Thomas Hurlimann, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 10:18am

    How does this work?

    Now, how exactly does this happen, that lobbying? I would really like for once to understand precisely the mechanism behind that kind of lobbying. Understand who has which kind of of influence upon who, when he does what?

    How cab the self interest of a small group of profiteurs get a whole nation to suffer, while they swim in money?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 10:22am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    collars my ass, we got choke chains on

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 10:27am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    "is that really your level of understanding, or are you just acting stupid ??" Is that the best you can come up with? I might ask you the same, only I know you are acting "stupid" because you are smart enough to understand the FUD you are spewing. Propaganda much?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 10:39am

    Supporting musicians

    My wife and I believe in supporting musicians, both established and new. We regularly (usually three or so times a month) go to live performances at small local venues. If we think they are any good, we buy their CDs after the show. I haven't counted them in a while, but the last count was over 800 CDs. This also gives an opportunity to chat with the performers (or their spouse). They aren't getting rich off these sales, but it allows them to keep doing what they (and we) love.

     

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    silverscarcat (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 10:39am

    Re:

    "copyright protects the individual from exploitation"

    I got some ocean front property in Alberta for sale for you.

    "we're pro-choice, you are pro-exploitation without choice."

    And if anyone believes that, I'll sell you some attack squirrels.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 10:42am

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    Good stuff but a true artist is compelled to create, even if they do not have a single fan. Money is a human construct. Creativity is built into our DNA.

     

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    silverscarcat (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 10:42am

    Re: Re:

    Yes, because there was absolutely NO culture before copyright came around.

    BTW...

    Hollywood got ITS start from infringing on patents and copyright of Thomas Edison.

     

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    Dan C. (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 10:44am

    change.org petition

    I started a change.org petition. Let's tell Paul Teller that cowardly isn't cool!

     

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    Dan C. (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 10:44am

    change.org petition

     

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    silverscarcat (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 10:44am

    Re:

    Are you blind or just stupid?

    First three words in the document.

    RSC Policy Brief

    Sorry, NOT an opinion.

    You fail.

     

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    silverscarcat (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 10:46am

    Re:

    Stop being an idiot and stop listening to the MPAA...

    Oh, sorry...

    That would make you homeless.

    I guess even shills need to make a living.

     

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    silverscarcat (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 10:47am

    Re:

    How about you?

    What proof do YOU have that they weren't calling in like crazy?

    ...

    That's what I thought.

     

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    silverscarcat (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 10:51am

    Re: Supporting musicians

    If I could ever afford to, I'd LOVE to go to a concert and buy stuff from the artists directly. Or at least give them money.

    Can't afford to get tickets though, and most of the concerts are pretty far away. =/

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 11:03am

    Re: Re:

    That site? Again? Really? Come on, now, at least try to show a site that is actually fair, nuanced, and willing to debate the issue instead of wiping out any comment that goes against the articles and views they espouse.

     

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    Richard (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 11:05am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    I'll need to chew on some wikipedia tonight,

    Can I recommend this site to you.
    http://copy.law.cam.ac.uk/cam/index.php

    It has all the original historical documents - a real goldmine.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 11:06am

    Re: Re: Re: References

    Umm... Mike replied to you about this, and you are wrong. Nice try, though.Like you said, no prize for seconds.

     

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    apetra, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 11:25am

    they'll vet and issue it again

    they didn't follow standard procedure, that's well documented, and not surprising given the tumult of the post-election week.

    expect the report to reissue shortly with no substantive change. It will remain as a remarkable document that sets the Republicans apart from the Democrats, leaving the party as the standard bearer for forward looking technology policy.

     

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    Karl (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 11:26am

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    why-arent-more-musicians-working-professionally/

    FYI, this article is completely wrong. I debunked it in the comments section here.

    In case you don't want to follow the link, here's the relevant section:
    Nope. Try again. And try to do it without linking to that Trichordist site - it lies.

    Examples: SoundScan only collects POS data if you register a UPC with them, regardless of whether you sell stuff on iTunes (&etc) or not.

    There notion that there are fewer releases is not true.

    And, when you hear that there were "only" 75,000 Albums released in 2010, keep in mind that from 1992-2001, the labels never released more than 38,900 albums released [sic] per year. The number in 2001 was 27,000 new releases. That's from the RIAA; in fact, they may have been wrong (or lying) - this BusinessWeek article quotes Neilsen SoundScan as saying the number for 2002 was 31,734 new releases.

    In other words: in ten years, the number of new releases more than doubled.

    You also won't hear that, according to the BLS, there were only 46,440 Musicians and Singers working in the U.S. In 2011, that number was 42,530 - a difference of 10%. I guess things weren't that much better under the old label model, eh?

    (Incidentally, the years with the highest numbers of employed musicians was 2001-2002: the Napster years. Things declined after that; but the number of working musicians increased again in 2004 - the year iTunes came out.)

    Oh, and the number of "Independent Artists, Writers, and Performers?" The earliest data I could find for that was 2007. At that point, there were 1,640 in the "Musicians and Singers" category, making up 3.28% of that category. In 2001, that number rose to 1,910 people and 4.00%. So independents are gaining ground (slightly).

    So, that article is a lie. And that's only on one article. The entire site is full of bullshit. It's not even subtle bullshit, either. It's obvious, rampant hate speech directed at any part of the music industry that's not based upon the old label model.

     

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    Ophelia Millais (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 11:33am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Stand Firm

    Oh, silly us.

    There was indeed an opinion piece authored by the two lawyers on Nov 7.

    Mike's previous post opened by mentioning it and saying there hasn't been much else of note ... until the RSC report (or Policy Brief or whatever you want to call it) that was covered at length. It was this RSC document which is at issue, here, not the op-ed.

    How does that crow taste?

     

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    Ophelia Millais (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 11:35am

    Re: Re: Re: References

    The op-ed: http://www.theknockoffeconomy.com/what-do-the-election-results-mean-for-ip/

    The RSC report: completely different document.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 11:36am

    Re: Re: Re: Stand Firm

    Back when I purchased CDs, they were always pre-owned from shops that sold used CD and DVDs and from eBay. Once I ripped the CD, I would immediately sell it on eBay, sometimes for more than I'd paid for it. Was that stealing from musicians, too? I am relatively certain it was completely legal to do... at least, at the time. Not so sure it will be in future, if some people get their way.

     

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    WhyNotAskMe, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 12:17pm

    Copy of the RSC Policy Brief

    An HTML copy of the RSC Policy Brief is available at: http://whynotaskme.org/
    Just scroll down to nearly the bottom of the page.

     

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    Richard (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 12:47pm

    Re: Re: Stand Firm

    The only reasonable copyright is none at all. This is the age of the internet, they don't need copyright anymore.

    Not only that - but also you can't have just a little bit of copyright. The history of the last 300 years proves it. Once you have copyright then you have people who make money from it and have time on their hands to lobby for more.

    Look at the publishing industry. Originally the members of London Company of Stationers were printers - but over time they devolved the messy business of actual printing over to others and became publishers - a business whos primary activity is not the mechanical process of reproduction or even publicity, but rather the holding and trading of copyrights.

    You can observe a similar transition with the record industry. In my youth the record companies actually pressed record and had reputations based on the quality of their manufacture. In those days the letters RIAA usually referred to a standard frequency equalisation curve agreed on by the record companies to ensure that all records would play on all equipment. Now they have little to do with any of the mechanical processes - these were devolved to specialists through the 70's, 80's and 90's.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 12:47pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Link to the original report?

    That's a good start. Someone should put up a torrent of the report as well, just in case the MPAA bullies the cyberlocker. Because we all know it wouldn't be the first time.

     

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    Coyo, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 12:56pm

    Re: How I Imagine it Going Down...

    "Hey, what a nice little corporate welfare walled garden you got there. It would be a shame if something happened to the walls keeping everyone else out..."

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 12:58pm

    Re: Re:

    When someone is stupid enough to find a copy of Adobe Photoshop CS2 on the Pirate Bay and think that it should be called The Pirate Bay Photoshop CS2, you let me know.

    The fact that you think this sort of confusion could occur makes you an idiot.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 1:01pm

    Re: Easy come, easy go.

    You know how people of sound mind always feel on the defensive when stuff like SOPA, PIPA, ACTA, TPP, etc. always pops up again and again with a different acronym just a few short months after being killed?

    I say let's give the MPAA a taste of how that feels. Let's keep pushing our representatives to look at copyright reform. Don't let up. Keep pushing until the MPAA has to deal with copyright reform issues in Congress more often than we have to deal with SOPA/PIPA/ACTA legislation.

     

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    Coyo, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 1:02pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    I believe the term is "resting on one's laurels" to put it extremely nicely.

    Basically, those who endorse the behavior of the RIAA and similar organizations are people who harbor the delusion that the bridge trolls at the RIAA will maybe, possibly, give the speaker a place at the table of the blessed.

    This wont happen. Even pretending that the RIAA are remotely redeemable human beings is a severe pathological delusion.

    The naked truth is that the RIAA's singular justification is to support artists, but none of the supposed artists are actually producing anything of worth, and those REAL artists who do are snuffed out by the system.

    You'd have to be willfully ignorante to even consider the possibility that the RIAA is in any shape or form a justifiable organization.

     

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    Monday, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 1:10pm

    RSC Brief

    HOLY SHIT!

    I thought that leaving a link to the report would've, in some way, encouraged a reasonably informed debate. What I have seen since that post (~180 posts ago) is something of a very bad morning on FOX news. From Religious arguments to endorsing political parties, it's somewhat of a storm what this comment wall has become.
    The Policy Brief, as it is known, has actual endorsement of RSC members; is well researched; and soundly based on factual evidence - statistically speaking.
    As a collector of copyright royalties, I encourage... nay, I applaud theft of my "brainy stuff". If its going to promote expansion, innovation, and stimulation of the Sciences and Arts, HELL YA, everybody take!!! I'm going to get paid regardless.
    I've seen posts on election results, outright anger, opinions that truly belong to Rush Limbaugh, and I've seen this start off - meaning with the article itself, from a coherent base to a ceaseless ramble going off on tangents that lose the point completely.
    This brief espouses reform for copyright in both Science and Art. This means that instead of waiting lifetimes for innovation, people will actually get the chance to use their very expensive educations - if it's in science (possibly art) to take someone's idea and make it better, more "useful to Society", to quote what several posts have attempted in defining Art.
    There is alot of hate here for "Pirates". In fact piracy of... "music software has broken down boundaries even further. Not only can people hear and experience a wider range of inspirational existing music, but now musical creation has become more widely available.
    Just as there are those whose musical stasis prompts them to ask questions about who the next "Dylan" or "Led Zeppelin" or "Beatles" will be, there are those who wonder how today's severely fractured market and wealth of distractions will ever produce another 25-million-album seller like Michael Jackson (or even $35K a year). Those that blame this lack of multimillionaire chart dominators solely on piracy, rather than on underlying cultural shifts, economic woes, a multitude of new distractions and other disruptions are merely settling for a convenient whipping boy, rather than actually working on fixing their problems." From TechDirt directly...
    It's not just the Music industry, but it covers the entire spectrum; Movies; Books (in fact all media); Broadcast (all of it), and I could make a list of 20 more copyrightable forms - including all forms of caching, storage, and having something posted on YouTube.
    The point is that this is a start. Australia has been and is looking at copyright reform - although they have some way of going about it, it's being looked at - that is a start. EU has been looking at it - that's a start.
    The MPAA is not as powerful as they once were. In the last three years the major movie studios cut their payments to the MPAA in half. The RIAA however, has seen 40% in staff cutbacks, the MPAA has managed to keep the same number of employees; they work for lower average salaries. It is the MPAA who has the stable lobbying budget.
    The bigger picture is fair use.
    The bigger picture is who controls what, and how they're/it is going to do it - and, for the most part, that 'what' is the internet... because, quite simply put - EVERYTHING IS ON, OR WILL BE ON THE INTERNET!
    Look at the continuing success of failing Bills and Acts in both Europe and North America. By at least "taking a look" at copyright and the reformations it needs, means that leaders are paying attention - they see in some degree, that creativity and innovation is being yolked through domineering, copyright/patent infringing teams lawyers and the corporations they serve, and these things have to change - if anything is to advance societal goals... "contribute".
    Copyright includes even linking to sites now - although that is being constantly tested and examined. Civil and Criminal cases are being brought against individuals for just this very thing. Officials are actually trying to extradite people for copyright violation because of linking to websites. However, a ruling stating that "watching a video that someone else uploaded are not infringing on the reproduction right under copyright" is a great place to start when looking at copyright.
    You see, that is the bigger picture. This Brief is just a start, but it begs the address of the overwhelming question of fair use. If it takes destroying a "Corporate Monopoly Castle" one brick at a time, then that's the way it has to be done. The internet has altered the landscape of use, usage, and the definitions of right and wrong, where it concerns not violating the copyright owner’s exclusive rights that it simply cannot be ignored.
    I quote yet another article from TechDirt; "The archives of Baseball Digest 'the oldest and longest-running journal of matters baseball-related,' which has been published continuously since 1942. For various reasons (sounds like they didn't renew...) the issues from 1942 until 1964 are in the public domain. Everything after that... not so much." Baseball, perhaps America's greatest past-time, is a victim... go ahead... take a look when you have the time.
    Copyright Law Is Keeping Useful Info Off Wikipedia, the world's fifth largest website, and it all falls under the buzz-word "Piracy". Piracy finds its way into just about every legitimate avenue on the Internet. Afterall, what is copyright violation if it's not Piracy? It's like calling someone a Socialist if they believe in Universal Healthcare - do you even know what Socialism is? Piracy = Communism... again... meaning just what?
    Copyright infringement can’t be considered theft in the same way that stealing a Book from a Library or Bookstore, or a CD/DVD from a store shelf is theft. If you copy the song, download a PDF Title, or say... Magazine, you have it, and so does its creator. Even MPAA’s CEO, Chris Dodd, has admitted that the days when piracy was associated with theft and copyright infringement had gone.
    Limits and definitions need to be defined, if not re-defined, because the current system simply will not stand up to the incredible evolution of today's innovators and creators. The current copyright laws are stiffling these very things. If I let you in on a little secret that Cold-fusion is actually Ambient-fusion and that I have it, I should now own that idea, but do you think that I'll get a copyright for publishing, or even the patent for the discovery? Not a chance. The Gov't is probably already stalking my ISP just to see if I can back this claim up.
    Hard media will be here forever, but the internet is where the innovation and creativity is occurring, and this is what is being debated here. Copyright of IDEAS... do you owe someone for something? Are you owed?
    In my opinion, the Leaders are paying attention to the Citizens, and attention, even if it is long overdue, is appreciated.
    The Brief is about Science and Art, and what loosely constitutes fair use. That is my interpretation... don`t shoot the messenger.

    I would like to finish with thanking Mike Masnick for the continual TechDirt posts I receive through their daily eMails. There is alot of `TechDirtery`included in my post. You`re a good man Mike, and a great writer... Cheers...

     

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    Suzanne Lainson (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 1:10pm

    Re: they'll vet and issue it again

    It will remain as a remarkable document that sets the Republicans apart from the Democrats, leaving the party as the standard bearer for forward looking technology policy.

    So they will be pushing for major patent reform, too?

     

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    silverscarcat (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 1:11pm

    Re: Re:

    yes, and because of pirated copies of Windows OS and other programs, Bill Gates NEVER made billions of dollars and can ski down slopes of money in the winter.

    Sorry, not buying it.

    As someone who writes in his free time, I can tell you this, if someone takes my ideas and runs with them, all the more to them.

    If they can do it better, good job.

    If not, that means that I'm better.

     

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    Coyo, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 1:11pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    The problem with this line of reasoning is that major labels have an extremely lopsided balance of power.

    You pretty much get a "take it or leave it" decision, especially if you are a mediocre artist.

    Also, since the labels control nearly all (known) channels of distribution, many artists dont see much of a choice but to take the terms given to them.

    Artists who are a cut above the rest do not need labels, because they are good enough to promote themselves.

    BTW, The Pirate Bay has begun promoting early adopters of the service-oriented model of professional artistry (which was actually the original model, before recording was technically possible, as patrons of the arts and various commissions would fund great artists).

    If you are a pathetic whiny mediocre artist, practice, practice, practice, and get genuinely good at your trade.

    If you play your cards right, and work like the rest of us, you will surely earn a retirement. Just remember to manage your investment portfolio.

    If you're the kind of artist who does not like to work for a living, there's always the time-honored trade of panhandling.

     

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    Coyo, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 1:34pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Copyright is not about protecting artists. It's not even really about anything over than monopolistic control over channels of distribution.

    With the advent of the Internet providing such a ridiculously EASY circumvention of their precarious control, many large labels are COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT.

    There is NEVER a "company too large to fall"

    LET THEM ALL GO BANKRUPT!

     

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    Coyo, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 1:45pm

    Re: Berne Convention

    I think it's safe to say that rather than attempting to reform copyright or patent law, it would actually be a LOT EASIER to merely repeal all of it.

    We do not need copyright or patent law. It is counterproductive to have such laws exist at all.

     

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    The Real Michael, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 1:46pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    I'm not arguing otherwise. The desire to express something via art, music or otherwise wouldn't dissipate even if all the money in the world vanished.

     

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    Coyo, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 1:53pm

    Re: "Freehadist?"

     

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    The Real Michael, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 2:00pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    It's extremely difficult for people to respect your opinions, much less have a constructive conversation, while you're busy hurling insults and accusations their way.

    Funny you bring up communism as they're infamous for being very forceful with their views.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 2:11pm

    Re: Re: Re: Stand Firm

    This statement has so many levels of ignorance that I fell off the chair laughing.

    #respondingtoidioticdoltstryingtolookgoodbyputtingcooltagsattheendoftheiruninformedpost

     

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    That Crazy Freetard (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 2:23pm

    Re: Re:

    Lol, trichordist. I'd give that site a shred of respect if they didn't moderate all of my comments to hell. That site's nothing but a circle jerk for Lowery et al and the only dissenting comments they allow are taken totally out of context and twisted and spun so as to make them fit their narrative.

    And if you're persistent, Lowery will threaten you personally.

    I'd really love for some population of TD commenters to decend on trichordist.

     

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    ac, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 2:39pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    For some definition of 'worked'

     

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    Coyo, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 2:47pm

    Re: How does this work?

    It starts with a huge amount of pure dumb luck, and a huge helping of deception and a distinct lack of restraint.

    After that, it's diamonds, gold, caviar and wine from there.

    The bottom line? There's not a damned thing you can do to actually BECOME a plutocrat. The chances of you or I becoming a multi-billionare is somewhat less than your chances of being struck by a meteorite, struck by a lightning bolt, and bitten by a rabid red fox with unusual facial markings all on the same day.

    In other words, the concept that you can somehow work hard and earn your place among plutocracy is cute but it's cruel to allow people to continue believing that.

    There is an extremely powerful multi-layered class barrier, including a labyrinth of tax breaks, tax credits, tax rebates, and other fiscal snowjobbery, many many shibboleths and specialized peacock signalling and cultural secrets and calling cards that prevent anyone from joining the ranks of the truly powerful multi-billionare plutocratic elite, even assuming you somehow won a multi-billion-dollar lottery ticket. Nearly all of that would vanish instantly as taxes, and the rest would drain out as debt and of that, the rest will leech out in various ways.

    The plutocrats are here to stay, ladies and gentlemen, unless we have a very organized global cultural and economic revolution that does away with every last layer of their social, economic, and memetic control.

    I hope that helped to explain how multi-billion-dollar plutocratic top 0.005% manage to maintain power so easily.

     

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    Suzanne Lainson (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 2:48pm

    A recent update

    Influential GOP group releases, pulls shockingly sensible copyright memo | Ars Technica:

    Update: A spokesman for the RSC comments:

    "On issues where there are several different perspectives among our members, our Policy Briefs should reflect that. This Policy Brief presented one view among conservatives on U.S. copyright law. Due to an oversight in our review process, it did not account for the full range of perspectives among our members. It was removed from the website to address that concern.

    "I know some want to point fingers elsewhere, but the simple fact is that we screwed up, we admitted it, and we hope people will now use this opportunity to engage in polite and serious discussion of copyright law."

     

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    PopeRatzo (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 3:01pm

    uh-huh

    What did I tell you? What I just told you. What did I say was gonna happen? Exactly what just happened.

    I'm sorry, but considering the behavior and policies of the Republican party for the past 33 years, if they want something from me they're going to have to pay cash.

    No checks, no IOUs.

     

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    Michael, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 3:12pm

    Derek Khanna on the paper

    Derek Khanna, the author of the paper, has responded to my email about the retraction. His statement:

    "I didn't retract anything - I wrote it - and I stand by it."

    So please send him (derek.khanna@mail.house.gov) your support, encouragement, and praise!

    You may wish to contact the others to send them your disappointment.

     

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    Suzanne Lainson (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 3:18pm

    Re: Derek Khanna on the paper

    Maybe the Republican Party isn't a good fit for him.

     

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    aidian, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 3:20pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    'Apparently' read to me as 'reasonably inferred' as in 'when i went to bed the grass was dry. Now it's wet. It must have rained overnight.'

    I don't feel that it's much of a stretch to make that inference. However, even if it turns out not to be true, I feel no sympathy for those who were (theoretically) falsely accused. IIRC, Congress is exempt from FOIA. They've rigged the laws to make sure we can't know what they're doing to us behind closed doors. Once they change that, then they can bitch about false accusations of

     

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    Karl (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 3:35pm

    Re: A recent update

    Update:

    Also from that article:
    "The RSC issues a lot of memos," a source with knowledge of the RSC's operations told Ars. "They're a small shop" with a lot of issues on their plate. Our source didn't think the memo reflected a sea change in the views of Republican members of Congress. But he said the fact Khanna was able to get his memo through the RSC's vetting process suggested there was sympathy for his views at least within the RSC staff.

    The source told us content industry lobbyists exerted pressure on RSC leadership to repudiate the memo.

    So, it appears Mike was correct. The brief was vetted; then pulled, at least in part (if not mostly), because "industry lobbyists" went ballistic about it.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 3:45pm

    Re: A recent update

    Translation: Mike spazzed out and jumped to faith-based conclusions. What a dipshit.

     

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    silverscarcat (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 3:56pm

    Re: Re: A recent update

    "Translation: I hate techdirt and think you're all a bunch of thieving pirates."

    Man, being honest sucks, huh?

     

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    Suzanne Lainson (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 3:57pm

    Re: Re: A recent update

    The brief was vetted; then pulled, at least in part (if not mostly), because "industry lobbyists" went ballistic about it.

    But I'm curious which lobbyists that might be. Seems like Hollywood lobbyists wouldn't have much sway with Republicans. What about more right-leaning news organizations?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 4:13pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    I think the green AC is not only smelling his own farts , he is eating his shit too. Everything he said is so backwards he must be dyslexic.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 4:14pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    that's the stuff

     

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    bugmenot (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 4:24pm

    Re: RSC "debunked numbers"

    Occam's Razor: don't presume a conspiracy is responsible for crappy behavior. The simplest explanation for crappy behavior is that the person or persons doing it are just @$$#0[3$.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 4:25pm

    Re: Derek Khanna on the paper

    Not being someone who writes to congresscritters (and the (R) guy who represents my district is not involved with the RSC, tho a few other (R) Reps from my state are), I actually sent an e-mail to Reps. Khanna and Teller on this. Hopefully, if they get enough of those encouraging e-mails, they'll decide that this PB was, indeed, a good idea.

     

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    nasch (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 4:26pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    It's remarkable to call something pro-liberty when it only takes away liberties.

     

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    nasch (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 4:29pm

    Re: Re:

    I would argue that piracy actually disincentives creativity, since you can just offer other people's works for download rather than create your own.

    If those things satisfied the same goals, maybe, but they don't.

     

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    nasch (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 4:32pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: References

    Hey since you've weighed in Mike, and hopefully are still watching, can you answer the other question? Do you have specific evidence that the MPAA/RIAA leaned on the RSC, or are you speculating?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 4:36pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: References

    Mike has nothing. He just did what he always does--lied

     

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    Karl (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 4:50pm

    Re: Re: Re: A recent update

    Seems like Hollywood lobbyists wouldn't have much sway with Republicans.

    It depends what you mean by "Hollywood." If you include companies like Comcast, Time Warner, and News Corp, then they do give more money to Democrats. (Yes, even News Corp.)

    However, if you are talking about the MPAA, then not so much. In 2012, their PAC gave roughly $46K to Republicans, and $43K to Democrats.

    Of course, that's just contributions to Congresspeople directly; they spend far, far more on lobbying.

     

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    nasch (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 4:52pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    'Apparently' read to me as 'reasonably inferred' as in 'when i went to bed the grass was dry. Now it's wet. It must have rained overnight.'

    Maybe it's just dew. ;-)

     

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    nasch (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 4:53pm

    Re: Re: A recent update

    The source told us content industry lobbyists exerted pressure on RSC leadership to repudiate the memo.

    Awesome, thanks. Now we can continue hating them. :-)

     

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    Suzanne Lainson (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 4:57pm

    Re: Re: Re: A recent update

    Or maybe it was any company/organization that makes its money via licensing (e.g., Disney, major sports leagues, toy companies).

    I just can't see how the movie and music trade groups would have so much influence with Republicans if the Republicans were fully behind this but then pulled it in response to pressure from Hollywood. The politics don't seem to add up (I don't know where the lobby money falls).

     

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    The Groove Tiger (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 5:00pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    "copyright is pro-choice"

    Agreed, copyright is an abortion.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 5:01pm

    Re:

    Reagan would probably have said 'smelled like Bonzo'

     

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    Shadow Dragon (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 5:09pm

    Re: Re:

    Wolverines!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 5:23pm

    Re: Re: A recent update

    Translation: I didn't read the article that stated, clearly, that "industry lobbyists exerted pressure".

    Go blow up your dick in a dynamite factory; you clearly don't need it.

     

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    Suzanne Lainson (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 5:36pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: A recent update

    It depends what you mean by "Hollywood." If you include companies like Comcast, Time Warner, and News Corp, then they do give more money to Democrats. (Yes, even News Corp.)

    Well, it will be interesting to see who influences whom as this plays out. My voting interests are primarily aligned with sustainability issues, so unless the Republicans draft some innovative policies there, I won't be voting for them.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 5:52pm

    Re: Talk about shooting yourself in the foot

    no, fuck the democrats too. my money is on one of the pirate parties, but they will have to move fast to capitalize on this blunder. shame this didn't happen a month ago....

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 6:20pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Link to the original report?

    Torrent provided. Here's the Magnet link!


    magnet:?xt=urn:btih:007A9589E1FB84AFE546264ACEFEBA0A0E1A852B&dn=rsc_policy_brief_--_t hree_myths_about_copyright_law_and_where_to_start_to_fix_it_--_november_16_2012.pdf&tr=udp%3a//t racker.openbittorrent.com%3a80/announce

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 6:22pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Link to the original report?

    Hmmm, I must be not be the first as there are 47 Peers and 1 Seed already, and I just put it up.

     

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    JMT (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 7:17pm

    Re:

    "must have hit pretty close to home to trigger that kind of irrational and illogical anger."

    Where exactly is this anger you speak of?

    "copyright protects the individual from exploitation by given the individual the power to negotiate..."

    Yes, you "negotiate" with a record label to either give them the copyright to all your work, or walk away with nothing. That's some awesome "protection from exploitation" right there.

     

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    JMT (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 7:46pm

    Re: Re: Locking up ideas stifles progress

    Can we ask you the same question? You won't even stand behind your own comments enough to let us see common authorship, so why would anyone trust you?

     

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    The Real Michael, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 7:47pm

    Re: Derek Khanna on the paper

    If that's true then I hope that he continues to speak out against the rampant abuse which copyright enables in its current form. I respect a politician who doesn't cave in to lobbyist pressure, particularly when so many of his constituents are weak-kneed.

     

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    The Real Michael, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 7:53pm

    Re: Re: Derek Khanna on the paper

    Self-correction: Derek is the staffer of the RSC, not a politician.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 7:54pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: References

    It's hard to imagine that Hollywood has much sway with the R's after kicking in tons of money and star power toward the savage beatdown they just took. More likely Goodlatte and Smith blew a blood vessel when they heard and put the kibosh on it.

    Anyway, nice to see that blockhead Masnick playing the hapless Charlie Brown to Republican Lucy holding the football for him to kick. Good Grief... another spectacular, embarrassing flop for the (ahem) journalist Mike Masnick.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 8:00pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    You're really deep, aren't you snatch?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 8:12pm

    This one is a new low in the annals of what you laughingly call "journalism" Masnick. Even by your own flabby standards, this utter piece of shit sets a new standard for dishonesty, bias and deceit. You must be so proud. Loser.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 8:55pm

    Hit a nerve

    Clearly, given the number of troll comments, this whole situation has hit a nerve with the lobbyists and maximalists. They've sent out their drones and shills in force to spam the shit out of this article (and probably others like it all over the internet).

    Obviosuly, we're on the right path here.

     

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    Mike Masnick (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 9:34pm

    Re: References

    Do you know it was Hollywood that got this pulled, or are you assuming it was? If you know, can you provide references to the evidence?

    I can't reveal my sources, but I 100% absolutely stand by the story. It's what happened, and I know that without a doubt based on what I've been told.

     

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    Mike Masnick (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 9:37pm

    Re: Re: Re: A recent update

    But I'm curious which lobbyists that might be. Seems like Hollywood lobbyists wouldn't have much sway with Republicans. What about more right-leaning news organizations?

    You're wrong if you think Hollywood doesn't have much sway with Republicans. Very, very wrong. SOPA was introduced by... a Republican (and given to them by the MPAA). Previous copyright bills, including the awful "INDUCE" Act were introduced by Republicans.

    One of the MPAA's top VPs last job... was on John McCain's presidential elections.

    Thinking that the MPAA doesn't have sway with Republicans is simply wrong.

     

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    nasch (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 9:59pm

    Re: Re: References

    Hey that's good enough for me. IMHO I would have liked to see you state that up front. tThe trolls would still have berated you, but when do they not? The normal people can decide whether they trust you.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 10:02pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: References

    just as much evidence as Masnick has that they did...

    if not more...

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 10:10pm

    Geeze. I can tell if this became as wildley known as SOPA was (meaning "force public to pay attention") there is no doubt congress and the president would be flattened, both sides of the aisle, under the chairs and following every move made. The press might even have to admit that it's not "to complicated to understand or explain" to avoid reporting on IP issues. This restores my faith that the < under 30's are alive and awake, with clear objectives in mind. I'm glad this article spiked such a strong reactions. It's about time to debated issues of real consequence.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 10:22pm

    I bet anonnymus will have to weigh in as well.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 10:25pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    GRANTED, not owned.. do you understand what the word granted means ?? and it is not a monopoly of 'copyright' but a monopoly of THAT PARTICULAR WORK, and if you wrote it or made it, it is YOUR MONOPOLY, not the governments.

    the government does not have a monopoly on copyrighted material, the person who created the work has a monopoly on it (if he chooses to exercise it or not), the creator can enforce the copyright of his work, the government cannot, (unless the creator or owner of said copyright lays charges to uphold the law). the laws that GOvernments are duty bound to uphold and enforce.

    so once you understand what 'granted' means, and that it is not the general term "copyright" that you have, but a SPECIFIC COPYRIGHT of YOUR WORK, and as it is your work you have a monopoly on it..

    it's a government GRANTED monopoly, on a work by someone who owns the copyright for that particular work, not a "government monopoly", that (as I said before) is just stupid.. im sure even you dont want to be seen as stupid.. ... then again... you might.. !!!!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 10:29pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Artificially making sure there isn't competition is otherwise called a Monopoly.


    but their is a virtual infinate amount of competition, im sure even you can buy more than 1 book, or 1 movie, or 1 painting or song.

    im sure even you know there is competition between the millions of different copyright holders, so how can that be a monopoly again ??

    so if I write a book, can I still copyright it if someone else has written another book allready and has it copyrighted ???

    NO, only a stupid moron would think that is how it works....

    what were you saying again ???? oh yea..

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 10:43pm

    Re:

    An article where details have been confirmed by sites like Ars Technica? Ha ha. You're the one who's neck-deep in dishonesty, bias and deceit. You're dripping with the stuff.

    You're just mad someone managed to post some sense which your paymasters couldn't pull in time.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 10:45pm

    Re:

    Keep daring. Ars Technica has already confirmed this.

    The trolls are foaming at the mouth so much, they couldn't be arsed to confirm if anyone had already confirmed it.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 10:46pm

    Re:

    darryl, darryl, darryl. When you learn how to differentiate commas from periods, maybe someone will take you seriously. Until then you're a little shitstain that even monkeys wouldn't throw poop on, because you're in a shitty little class of your own.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 10:53pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    And when you renege on the contract, you get fucked. Guess what? Artists from Eminem to "Weird Al" Yankovic have to sue their labels because the labels refused to pay their loyalties, DESPITE the contracts you keep screaming about and masturbating to.

    To our knowledge, the RIAA - precious enforcers and protectors of artists - have never come down hard on labels for reneging on contracts. Labels have NEVER been punished for it. The presence of contracts has NEVER been a guarantee of fairness.

    Now how about you wrap that debunked argument of yours around yourself, and jump off a skyscraper?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 10:55pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Yes, and you're the reincarnation of Socrates.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 10:57pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: References

    Incidentally sources other than Masnick, such as Ars Technica, have confirmed this. You claim to have more sources backing you up - where are they, eh? How is it that some non-journalist shitstain from Australia knows more than the average person?

    Unless it all came out of that asshole you call a mouth, darryl. Or is it the mouth you use as an asshole?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 10:58pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: References

    How about you go to Ars Technica and tell them that too?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 11:00pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Do you always speak and write with that horrible use of grammar and language? Or is your proper usage of English only for your god Lowery? Offered your daily offering of spit yet?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 11:02pm

    Re: Re: Re: Stand Firm

    The great misinformation campaign that was spread to students (happened to me when I was 15) was that industry practice was to pay artists only 20% of CD sales, give or take.

    So, no, it's not people "stealing music online"; it's horrible industry practice.

    #inconvenientertruths

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2012 @ 11:06pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    You're an idiot if you think that's the only kind of monopoly that can occur - but on the other hand, you're darryl! One of the most uninnovative, uncreative shitstains to ever blot the Earth.

     

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    Mike Masnick (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 11:21pm

    Re: Re: A recent update

    Translation: Mike spazzed out and jumped to faith-based conclusions. What a dipshit.


    Huh? No, I have my sources and I stand by it 100% and the Ars Technica story confirms what I know as well. So, nope.

     

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    Mike Masnick (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 11:22pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: References

    Hey since you've weighed in Mike, and hopefully are still watching, can you answer the other question? Do you have specific evidence that the MPAA/RIAA leaned on the RSC, or are you speculating?

    I have multiple sources that have confirmed. No doubt at all as to what happened.

     

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    Crosbie Fitch (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 11:41pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    "Maybe it's just dew"

    VERY GOOD!

     

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    orbitalinsertion (profile), Nov 18th, 2012 @ 11:49pm

    The one good thing they've ever done, and they retract it and apologize meekly to their overlords. Whatever, you smart and principled republicans.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 19th, 2012 @ 12:11am

    Re: Re: Copy

    you actually think linking to that shite makes you seem credible in any way? If the drivel you spill is not enough to let people know you are a no nothing, truth revisionist, linking to that site is the icing on the cake. WTF are you trying to pull? Nobody but your crony buddies buy it, and they only buy it because that's the company line.

     

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    Ophelia Millais (profile), Nov 19th, 2012 @ 12:30am

    Re:

    It could be a blessing in disguise.

    The starry-eyed author just got a reality check: now he knows big business doesn't give a crap about his facts or his idealism, and he knows his party isn't going to stick up for him if he challenges corporate authority.

    Likewise, the GOP establishment just got a wake-up call about the younger generation, which doesn't blindly accept the status quo when it comes to intellectual property, and which actually considers the public interest to be worth the party's consideration. The old guard must recognize that these upstarts have not only infiltrated party ranks, but are on the verge of exerting an unwelcome influence on policy; something has to be done!

     

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    Marcel de Jong (profile), Nov 19th, 2012 @ 1:28am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Copyright is pro-liberty?! It's use is to restrict peoplefrom doing something with a certain cultural product. How is that even a little bit of liberty?

    Nice bit of double speak there, AC. White is black, war is peace, ignorance is bliss.

     

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    Marcel de Jong (profile), Nov 19th, 2012 @ 1:36am

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    They generally have a much more nuanced and well-thought-out view compared to Protestant churches.

    As a admittedly non-practising, but Dutch Protestant baptised person, I do take offense to this. Such slander has NO place in this discussion whatsoever, and it's a detraction to your whole argument painting a large segment of the Christian religion with such a wide brush.

    I do agree with parts of your comment, but you'd do better by not insulting people from a different religion in a discussion where faith doesn't even come into play!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 19th, 2012 @ 2:15am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    "copyright is pro-liberty, pro-individual, pro-choice"

    This new IP-max lobbyist propaganda line is the more ridiculous thus far. Cut the chase and make it "freedom is slavery" directly. You publishers will save time...

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 19th, 2012 @ 2:20am

    the best form of defence is attack, so the RIAA, MPAA, MAFIAA and the rest simply did what they do best, started screaming blue murder to the very pople that they know will help them, simply because they are paying so much in 'funding contributions'. that is why it should be stopped. that is why 'lobbying' should be stopped too.
    the other sad thing is it shows that the guy in charge, Paul S. Teller, Executive Director, U.S. House Republican Study Committee, is a gutless arsehole that needs replacing as soon as possible. the excuses he has used to get the 'report' pulled are pathetic and just shows who is in charge of him!!

     

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    Marcel de Jong (profile), Nov 19th, 2012 @ 2:23am

    Re: Re: Re: Stand Firm

    Infringement on copyright is not the same as theft or stealing.

    #coldhardfact

     

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    Marcel de Jong (profile), Nov 19th, 2012 @ 2:36am

    Re: Re: Re:

    The AC-shills don't like that we've taken the term 'freetard' and turned it around on them. So now they're grasping to get a new term to insult people who are against the current copyright laws. And apparently they've settled on 'freehadist'.

    Well, if I'm going to be called a freehadist, I'll be one with pride!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 19th, 2012 @ 3:32am

    Re: Re:

    Stop spamdexing Google with links to your shitty blog.

     

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    The Obvious answer then, Nov 19th, 2012 @ 4:14am

    Re: Re: Link to the original report?

    The report on ScribD (and if the USG keep removing it I will keep uploading it)

    The solution to that is simple - create a FOIA request for the document.

    Bonus points: Buy a domain that is generic enough to cover all FOIA type stuff and compare/contrast the original document along with the FOIA responses. Tracking how responses change over time should be informative.

     

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    silverscarcat (profile), Nov 19th, 2012 @ 4:29am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    "copyright is pro-liberty, pro-individual, pro-choice when you remove copyright you remove liberty and freedom from the individual."

    Last time I checked, a person without copyright is still a person, can still vote, make money, eat, sleep, drink, work, ETC like the rest of us.

    If anything, copyright is ANTI-Liberty.

    But, you and your kind don't see it that way, do you?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 19th, 2012 @ 4:30am

    Re: Re: Re: Just keep doing what we've done best.

    The "freehadist" term so much suits the opinion manipulation trade of yours. It says much more about the one using it than about the common people it's meant to fingerpoint and blacken...

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 19th, 2012 @ 4:31am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Darryl, seriously, shut up already.

    Also, please for the love of all that is holy and unholy, LEARN HOW TO FUCKING WRITE. I hate reading your rants, it's an assault on my brain. I look at your comments and I literally hear every English teacher I've ever had start to weep.

    Also, don't go calling others a "stupid moron" when that same thing applies to you. If not more so.

    A monopoly is very much what copyright is. But to save you time here's what constitutes a monopoly.

    "A monopoly exists when a specific person or enterprise is the only supplier of a particular commodity (this contrasts with a monopsony which relates to a single entity's control of a market to purchase a good or service, and with oligopoly which consists of a few entities dominating an industry)."

    That others are able to produce works is irrelevant. And largely a talking point you're only bringing up to attempt to put a spin on the definition of "monopoly".

    The point is moot anyway though, you repeating yourself over and over isn't going to change the definition of a monopoly, nor will it make copyright any less of a government granted monopoly.

    And oh yeah, other sources and sites have reported on the issue, with substantially more credibility than yourself and a handful of AC trolls, and all have already stated what Mike has. That industry lobbyists hit the Republicans hard with demands to pull the insanely sensible report.

     

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    silverscarcat (profile), Nov 19th, 2012 @ 4:32am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Do YOU know what granted means?

    It means "given, NOT earned".

    So, copyright, by all sense of free market capitalism...

    SHOULD NOT EVEN EXIST!

    Thank you, David Kaye's Beast Wars Megatron.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 19th, 2012 @ 4:38am

    Re: Re: Derek Khanna on the paper

    oops - didn't realize they weren't actually Reps, but didn't address them as such, just "Gentlemen" when I wrote.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 19th, 2012 @ 4:51am

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    "a jr intern goes off half-cocked and you take it as gospel, thank god the adults got home just in time to maybe save some face."

    Do you have any source to back this "unchecked intern" your assertion up you've been hammering throughout this comment thread ? Man up shill.

     

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    Arbite, Nov 19th, 2012 @ 4:51am

    Re:

    That could be the case.

    Getting deceived would at least be more honorable than getting blackmailed or bribed.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 19th, 2012 @ 5:00am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    The guy can't make music anymore ? With so much copyright in his favor ? If for all his talent this guy can't, noone can /sarcasm

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 19th, 2012 @ 5:02am

    Re: Re: Re:

    Not true

     

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    Arbite, Nov 19th, 2012 @ 5:11am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    He's mostly talking about Evangelical/Fundamentalist protestants in the US.

    The "Blind Faith and Emotion before reason" types.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 19th, 2012 @ 5:14am

    Re:

    Nice attempt at damage-control-through-revisionism. You fail. Thefunny part is you're spreading several contradicting lies at the same time in this thread. Poor little shill. Hard day for you.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 19th, 2012 @ 5:16am

    Re: Amusing Republican bashing

    lol @ nieve. I'm Adam and the Ant ;D

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 19th, 2012 @ 5:19am

    Re:

    Stop "daring" it's childish and does not work for kids over 5 years old. RSC published the brief on their site and retracted.

     

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    Niall (profile), Nov 19th, 2012 @ 5:57am

    Re: Re: Re:

    What, Romney lost because Obama "called him a 'poopyhead'"?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 19th, 2012 @ 6:35am

    Re: Post the report as a petition to the Whitehouse

    If anything that means we as americans, should listen to you even more since everything seems to run alot better in the Great White North.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 19th, 2012 @ 6:52am

    Re: Re: Re: Link to the original report?

    You've hit the nail on the head. That's what everyone is saying.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 19th, 2012 @ 6:55am

    Re: Re: Re: Link to the original report?

    It is not a government document. It came from the Republican Party.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 19th, 2012 @ 7:39am

    Re: Re: Re: A recent update

    Huh? No, I have my sources and I stand by it 100% and the Ars Technica story confirms what I know as well. So, nope.

    LOL! You're such a fanatic that I don't think you remember how to be reasonable.

    Ars reported: "The source told us content industry lobbyists exerted pressure on RSC leadership to repudiate the memo."

    You reported: "the MPAA and RIAA apparently went ballistic and hit the phones hard, demanding that the RSC take down the report"

    Where did you get "ballistic" and "demanding"? You made that part up, right?

     

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    nasch (profile), Nov 19th, 2012 @ 8:16am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: A recent update

    Where did you get "ballistic" and "demanding"? You made that part up, right?

    If you can't challenge the substance of the story any more, attack his word choice. If that fails, maybe you can go after his punctuation!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 19th, 2012 @ 8:20am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    [citation needed]

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 19th, 2012 @ 8:30am

    Re: Re: Re: References

    The historical evidence of how corporations and industry have been known to have a disproportionate control over government. That is evidence and there is plenty of it.

    http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100630/14391410029.shtml

    Even more recent evidence exists of this

    https://www.techdirt.com/blog/innovation/articles/20121115/16194521069/california-puc-cracks -down-innovative-ride-sharing-operations-as-another-batch-taxi-drivers-sue-uber.shtml

    (among all the other examples of how competing taxi-cab companies have faced resistance in other states for self-serving anti-competitive purposes).

    The list goes on and on and on. The evidence is a very long long history of corporate control over government, that is evidence.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 19th, 2012 @ 8:40am

    It's a matter of who has more to lose

    Republicans supported by banks, wall st., big corp.

    Democrats supported by banks, wall st., big corp, big media, hollywoodland.

    I never see demos picking this up.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 19th, 2012 @ 8:42am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: A recent update

    And as we all know the MPAA/RIAA, when it comes to copyright issues, never goes ballistic or is ever demanding . . .

    You got us there!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 19th, 2012 @ 9:06am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: A recent update

    Ah, yes, because the MPAA and RIAA aren't content industry lobbyists. Just like Chris Dodd.

     

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    Joe, Nov 19th, 2012 @ 9:21am

    Re: Re: Re: Stand Firm

    Depends... Look it up. Also, that varies depending on jurisdiction.

     

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    Joe, Nov 19th, 2012 @ 9:24am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Stand Firm

    Also, parties can do almost anything they want, if this wasn't produced on the taxpayer dole.

     

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    Joe, Nov 19th, 2012 @ 9:30am

    Re: Re: Re:

    Reminds me directly of a certain person with the initials R.L., on a form of RF modulation with the initials A.M. Although to be fair, they all did it.

     

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    Crosbie Fitch (profile), Nov 19th, 2012 @ 9:53am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Ridiculous? Don't worry, the cartel are already at work on this lovely propaganda: "Copyright is the new civil rights movement".

    Yup, amazing ain't it? Do a Google search. So this is why Martin Luther King's estate are suing anyone who copies or distributes the 'I have a dream' speech without a license - because it's a civil rights issue!

    Whereas slavery takes away all the liberties of a few, copyright takes away a few liberties from us all.

     

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    btr1701 (profile), Nov 19th, 2012 @ 11:28am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    > the kid who came up with "Joe The
    > Plummer" for Congress

    Plummer? Seriously?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 19th, 2012 @ 11:30am

    The zionists are scared.

     

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    crade (profile), Nov 19th, 2012 @ 11:41am

    Re:

    Unfortunately, Hollywoodland and big media seem to own both parties sufficiently to keep copyright law 100% corrupt no matter who is in power.

     

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    btr1701 (profile), Nov 19th, 2012 @ 11:42am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    > it will be the Government that
    > puts you in prison for breaking
    > the law, not the person who you
    > stole off.

    > how's your educational system
    > going in the US, as were not
    > seeing a big improvement !!!!

    > is that really your level of
    > understanding, or are you just
    > acting stupid

    Says the guy who can't even put together a proper sentence. It's "stole from", not "stole off", genius. And that's just one of your imaginative errors. When you learn to speak and write properly, get back to us with your criticisms of our school system.

     

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    Suzanne Lainson (profile), Nov 19th, 2012 @ 11:45am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: A recent update

    You're wrong if you think Hollywood doesn't have much sway with Republicans. Very, very wrong. SOPA was introduced by... a Republican (and given to them by the MPAA). Previous copyright bills, including the awful "INDUCE" Act were introduced by Republicans.

    Given this, I'm curious why the report on copyright was even put forth by anyone at the Republican Study Committee. Surely they knew there would be a reaction. Was it a slip-up, were they testing the waters, were they hoping to get it out there with minimal notice (there have been more pressing issues to deal with in Congress right now), or is this a sign that this Republican group has fragmented and will split on this and perhaps other issues?

     

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    crade (profile), Nov 19th, 2012 @ 11:48am

    Re: Hit a nerve

    Duh, it's not hard to imagine what would happen if they let the hardcore capitalist crowd in on the secret that copyright was (gasp) made by the government and not the free market and the copyright pushers are batting for Mao.

     

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    btr1701 (profile), Nov 19th, 2012 @ 12:01pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Stand Firm

    > Then if they want to claim copyright
    > they have to show the original work
    > which WAS written by govt and therefore
    > not copyrightable

    It wasn't written by the government. It was authored by the Republican Party, which *does* make it copyrightable and *doesn't* make it subject to a FOIA request.

     

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    btr1701 (profile), Nov 19th, 2012 @ 12:05pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Stand Firm

    > Why not issue a FOIA for it?

    Because it's not subject to FOIA. It was produced by Republican Party, not the government. It's not a government document.

     

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    Demon Lee, Nov 19th, 2012 @ 1:36pm

    Copyright

    Well, well, that didn't last long did it.. and look at the tirade of abuse from the posters here..

    When will you people learn that to 'innovate' is to create and to create and earn a living, you need to protect your property, your intellectual property rights and your copyright and patents.

    Canada have just realised this and now have awarded the photographers in Canada to finally own the copyright to their own works... this is a huge forward step for Canada, bringing it in-line with most other countries.

    http://twoeyesopen.ca/wp/canadian-copyright/

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 19th, 2012 @ 1:51pm

    Re: Copyright

    Abuse? Psssht. The only abuse that has occurred are the trolls insisting that Masnick has his sources wrong - sources which have already been verified by multiple external sources.

    If the only way you can protect anything is to sue the wrong people and treat paying customers as thieves, you don't deserve the protection.

     

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    crade (profile), Nov 19th, 2012 @ 2:11pm

    Re: Copyright

    Actually, people were both innovating and creating and making a living at it before the government made up intellectual property! (I know, mind blowing, eh?)

     

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    Gwiz (profile), Nov 19th, 2012 @ 2:32pm

    Re: Copyright

    Well, well, that didn't last long did it.. and look at the tirade of abuse from the posters here..

    Hi Demon.

    If you a referring to me countering your emotional plea full of falsehoods, half-truths and faith-based statements that you were trying pass off as "facts" on the other article, well that's not "abuse" my friend, it's called a debate.

    Like they say: Don't show up to a gunfight with a knife.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 19th, 2012 @ 2:34pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    David Lowery: Irrelevant then, irrelevant now.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 19th, 2012 @ 2:42pm

    Re:

    Still failing at reading comprehension, are we? Because the opinion piece and the report are two different things. Stop trying to put them together as if they were the same thing and read the damned article properly.

     

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    Small.Business.Guy.1, Nov 19th, 2012 @ 2:59pm

    Re:

    Just as a point, there's possibly very good reasons for this playing out just the way it has. For example...

    1. House GOP Conservative Caucus prepares & releases report on copyrights.
    2. Predictable Hollywood explosion occurs (MPAA/RIAA).
    3. One of their big talking points is and has been "Why are you guys trying to create an issue where none really exists? We're the victims here." Not saying it's right, but that's one of the lines the lobsters get paid to push.
    4. So, the report gets taken down and the House GOP Conservative Caucus makes sure (absolutely sure) that the emails 'explaining' the move go out far and wide. There's a reason for doing that.
    5. Now, one of several things will happen:
    --- No reaction to the emails. Then the RIAA/MPAA are proven correct, and it's a non-starter.
    --- Some/moderate response (some blowback). Ok, the MPAA/RIAA 'lobsters' are trying to sell us a line and this thing really isn't a dead end/blind alley.
    --- Developing/Substantial/serious response (increasing blowback). Not only are the MPAA/RIAA 'lobsters' are trying to sell us a line, the whole copyright issue is a political 'growth medium' and it's something we really need to get on top of. Bingo!!

    Look at it from the viewpoint of using the internet to perform market research....

    You want to make a difference? - Take the time to contact your Congresscritter over this issue. Almost all of them have email accounts on their website. But,as a piece of advice, KEEP IT PROFESSIONAL.

     

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    another mike (profile), Nov 19th, 2012 @ 3:10pm

    Re: Re:

    I wish "rolling" described the heads of copyright organizations.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 19th, 2012 @ 3:23pm

    That's it guys, screw the individual to give corporations more control. I love the irony of how anti-record labels you are, but are ok with internet companies screwing musicians worse than any label ever did.

    Just let me know when The Pirate Bay starts negotiating contracts with artists, pays them advances, and is accountable for wrong doing.

    You are so blinded by your own greed that you are willing to sacrifice your own independence, freedom and liberty to chase it into oblivion.

    wow, just wow.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 19th, 2012 @ 3:24pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    nice non-response. grammer over substance.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 19th, 2012 @ 3:26pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: References

    of course, that's why you've provided a citation? oh, no... you don't have one? hmmmmm... well that's funny. we'll let's just say that you're making it up until then, ok?

     

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    btr1701 (profile), Nov 19th, 2012 @ 3:33pm

    Re: Re:

    > please let them commit suicide by
    > alienating all of the important
    > innovative music, film, authors,
    > photographers and other creators

    Don't know if you've been keeping up, but the vast majority of those people are liberal Democrats who aren't gonna vote for Republicans anyway.

    There's nothing to alienate.

     

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    Suzanne Lainson (profile), Nov 19th, 2012 @ 4:04pm

    Re: Re:

    I don't think being progressive on this one issue will be enough to counterbalance conservative stances on women's health, same sex marriage, immigration, global warming, etc.

    I had assumed they had little to lose with this because they weren't benefiting from Hollywood money. But if this puts them on the wrong side of that, and if it isn't enough to win them a whole new voting block, I'm not sure what they have gained politically.

    Now if the Republicans actually want to become libertarians (and all that entails, including dropping support of social behavior regulations, corporate welfare programs, and massive military spending), that would be a much bigger change for them.

    As I have said, it will be interesting to see how this plays out. The timing seems unusual, given there isn't an election around the corner and it's not the most pressing issue to be solved in Washington right now. However, if the Republicans plan to embrace every issue young voters are interested in, that will mean replacing lots of current Republican politicians with an entirely new generation of them. Can we expect vastly different stories to be featured on Fox News now?

     

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    nasch (profile), Nov 19th, 2012 @ 4:26pm

    Re: Copyright

    to create and earn a living, you need to protect your property, your intellectual property rights and your copyright and patents.

    That is just factually not correct.

     

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    nasch (profile), Nov 19th, 2012 @ 4:28pm

    Re:

    Just let me know when The Pirate Bay starts negotiating contracts with artists, pays them advances

    OK, let us know when TPB is a record label.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 19th, 2012 @ 5:25pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    So when you have no ability to prove your point, you attack those who have the ability. Yeah, that'll get you places.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 19th, 2012 @ 5:42pm

    Re:

    When the RIAA and MPAA aren't corporations anymore, you let us know. If anyone's sacrificing independence, freedom and liberty - it's people pushing for insane laws that - just as RIAA and MPAA track records have shown - don't even bother to fact-check whether they nab the right person.

    You're an idiot if you think that power to the RIAA and MPAA would result in independence, freedom, liberty or choice. But what would you know? You've got a hurricane head up your ass!

     

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    Gwiz (profile), Nov 19th, 2012 @ 6:25pm

    Re: Re: Copyright

    That is just factually not correct.

    Yeah. This DemonLee guy spouted off a whole list of factually incorrect stuff back on the original article too.

    http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121116/16481921080/house-republicans-copyright-law-destro ys-markets-its-time-real-reform.shtml#c2240

     

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    G Thompson (profile), Nov 19th, 2012 @ 7:36pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Stand Firm

    Ah well.. in that case forget everything I state above..

    It never happened, You're getting sleepy.. sleepy.. forget!

     

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    Gestapo, Nov 19th, 2012 @ 9:26pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Grammar*

     

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    A Concerned Freelance Photographer, Nov 19th, 2012 @ 10:11pm

    You all are freehadist's

    This has absolutely nothing to do with Hollywood or Corporations. They may be the one with the most money. As a freelance commercial photographer, I register my images and if Hollywood ever used my image without my permission they have to pay me statutory damages...the very thing they want to keep based on the current copyright law. You are fools. I need to protect my work from blood sucking corporations that want my work for nearly nothing, the very thing you are perpetuating. It is the only thing that puts food on my table for my family. This isn't about your effin' need to have a song or a movie...this is about the smaller artists/creatives that need the same protections as the big guys and any and all creatives included (writers, song writers, poetry authors, your kids artistic work, a monkey's artwork for an animal sanctuary, etc. etc.) in order to survive and make a decent living. You all are so shortsighted...small feeble minded thinking. You don't care about anyone but your selfish materialistic selves.

     

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    nasch (profile), Nov 19th, 2012 @ 10:49pm

    Re: You all are freehadist's

    I see where you're coming from, but the idea that copyright is the only way to make a living as a creator just isnt true.
    Also, if you want to be taken seriously, ditch the stupid rhetoric like freehadists, and the personal insults, and the assumption that everyone who disagrees with you is immoral.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 19th, 2012 @ 11:11pm

    Re: You all are freehadist's

    So why was the biggest response from not independent or freelance "creators" but the folks with the deepest pockets and strongest lobbying forces?

    When your enforcement stops involving such ridiculous records of collateral damage, such as demanding takedowns of videos because of singing birds of all things, maybe people won't think you're a stuck-up industry cocksucker.

     

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    btrussell (profile), Nov 19th, 2012 @ 11:18pm

    Re: You all are freehadist's

    If you don't want then using your pics, don't post them.

    Personally, I think you should go fuck yourself and come back when you are in a better mood.

     

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    Marcel de Jong (profile), Nov 20th, 2012 @ 2:33am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Still I fail to see what religion has to do with this debate.

     

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    Marcel de Jong (profile), Nov 20th, 2012 @ 4:06am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    New tier for Techdirt's CwF/RtB program?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 20th, 2012 @ 7:21am

    Re: You all are freehadist's

    EXACTLY.. why masnick wants to HELP big media, and hurt the small person is beyond me, except for the greed thing.

    it is clear that masnick has never been a player in the game, but likes to think he has his fingers on the pulse..

    if fact, he has his fingers in the pie..

    So masnick, all your work is exactly what big hollywood wants to be able to exploit the little guy, you SHOULD be trying to help the little guy..

    Is it because you Mr Masnick are yourself a failed phot ??

    how is allowing apple to steal off samsung or samsung stealing off apple going to help you or me ??

    we dont get more products, we dont get more IP (they are after all using the SAME IP), therefore there is a REDUCTION in innovation, not an increase..

    if you force people to abide by patent and copyright, they cannot just steal and give us yet ANOTHER version of the same thing.. NO, they have to innovate SOMETHING DIFFERENT to compete..

    so what you want is give the big companies and big media a free hand to steal others material, instead of developing their own..

    so we dont get more products with new and innovative technologies, we get one company making something and every other company copying it, the CONSUMER gets many different versions of the same thing,, too bad if you wanted a choice !!!!!!

    I guess we are just lucky you are so bad at your job and ineffective.. but it does explain why you have gained so little support for your cause considering the time and effort you have expended on it..

    (you might work hard, but you dont work smart).

    it is also due to everything you do is a copy of someones else's work.. you virtually NEVER create an original work, you cut and paste, and comment..

    are you capable of original thought, or are you simply guided by google search ??

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 20th, 2012 @ 7:23am

    Re: Re: Copyright

    it would not be correct for you as you obviously do not make a living by the application of your intellect..

    but some do,, we all dont flip burgers.

    what he said is factually correct, and is why such systems are in place and have been for much longer than you or me will walk this green earth.

     

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    darryl, Nov 20th, 2012 @ 7:35am

    Re: Re: Copyright

    so your argument, means that due to modern technology there should be even greater copy protection and copyright laws..
    not less !!!!!!!

    also governments did not make up IP, IP is what you KNOW, or know how to do.

    before there was copyright and patent laws, you had to keep your development secret, but it you believe there were not industrial spys back when... then you are living in a dream world..

    exactly the same problems and issues were present then as are now, therefore patent and copyright was developed to help counter that...

    they system now does work far better than no system at all, and without a system of protection (that still occurs today, especially mility IP) it's secrecy that is employed.

    remove copyright and patent laws, and everything will be lock down so tightly that you will never be able to work out how they do it..

    sealed units, encripted and protected code, potted electronics, shaved IC's so you cannot know what they are, locked PLCC's.. all the things the military have to do now to ensure protection of IP..

    we're lucky to have laws to protect our knowledge and idea's.

    because if you have to live your life relying on the knowledge and idea's of others, you might as well check out of life.

    or

    do you really believe what you know is of no value to you ??

    I know for a fact that I know a great deal of things that can and has made me a great deal of money, just from what I know..

    you have a right to bear arms to protect your house and property, do you not think you should have the right to protect what you know ?? your IP.... ????

     

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    nasch (profile), Nov 20th, 2012 @ 7:43am

    Re: Re: Re: Copyright

    Are you trolling or just really dumb? It's hard to tell.

     

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    Gwiz (profile), Nov 20th, 2012 @ 8:09am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Copyright

    I think that's darryl. Which would make both true actually.

     

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    John Miano, Nov 20th, 2012 @ 8:36am

    Link to the Republican Copyright Report

     

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    nasch (profile), Nov 20th, 2012 @ 10:18am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Copyright

    Yeah, you may be right. I wish he would sign in so we can tell who we're dealing with for sure.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 20th, 2012 @ 10:42am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Copyright

    darryl consistently functions as an active troll, so if he actually realises that's what he's doing, he has incentive to cover his tracks. Not that it works in his favour; the way he mangles the English language is far too tell-tale.

    Maybe he should take lessons from out_of_the_ass instead, and parrot average_joe. Then the three of them can have a menage a troll.

     

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    Derek Kerton (profile), Nov 20th, 2012 @ 10:44am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Stand Firm

    Who are you arguing with? Arcan? You know he agrees with you, don't you?

    Did you post to the wrong thread?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 20th, 2012 @ 10:45am

    Re: Re: Re: Copyright

    What a crock of shit, darryl.

    From the point that modern copyright convention was upheld nothing has entered the public domain. Books, filmstrips have rotted beyond repair. For fuck's sake, you live in a country where culture is invasively more expensive and harder to get than most developed places. And to think, not only do you consider this a problem, but you also consider this commendable of all things. Culture is clearly wasted on a little poop stain like you.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 20th, 2012 @ 10:48am

    Re: Re: You all are freehadist's

    How is letting Apple or Samsung fight it out in costly legal battles, then giving other people to rush to patent random things in order to sue ordinary people who can't pay up for their broadbrushing patents beneficial to anyone?

    When has copyright enforcement been anything but the RIAA and MPAA suing children, grandmothers, and a long list of the wrong people?

    How about this, darryl; walk down your Australian streets and loudly proclaim that you support stronger copyright enforcement, the limiting of culture going into your country, the licence for patent holders to sue anyone without limit. We'll see how much support you garner then, you shitstain.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 20th, 2012 @ 10:49am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    It means anything but whatever you think it means, darryl. You couldn't hold a coherent thought or sentence in a dumpster.

     

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    Derek Kerton (profile), Nov 20th, 2012 @ 10:55am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: References

    Hmmm. Let's assume that we can't trust Mike, and just use logic.

    Hollywood has tons of lobbyists. These lobbyists have a clear purpose, and are ever-present in DC and connected to congresscritters.

    The GOP via RSC puts out a paper that suggests copyright reform in the direction that the Hollywood lobbyists don't want.

    The lobbyists have, many many times in the past, lobbied against the positions taken in the RSC paper.

    Now, the question:
    If the RSC paper drops, would the Hollywood lobbyists
    a) do nothing
    b) raise a big stink, make a bunch of emergency phone calls, and let their voices be heard loud and clear by the GOP congresscritters?

    Any fool with a brain can see that the lobbyists would jump on answer (b). It is specifically THEIR JOB to do just that. They have done it over and over in the past.

    It's like finding a dog shit in your back yard after leaving your dog fenced in their all day. Where did that dog shit come from? Hmmmm. Lemme see. The dog shits back there every other day. We've seen him do it on occasion. He still eats. He had motive, access, and time. I'm gonna take the mental leap and say the dog did it.

     

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    Derek Kerton (profile), Nov 20th, 2012 @ 11:09am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: A recent update

    I think people need to understand the difference in political tendencies between the millionaire Hollywood creative individuals, and the Hollywood corporate interests.

    Many wealthy individuals in Hollywood skew democrat, true. However, Fox news would have you believe it's 100%, because there's nothing better for viewership than a boogeyman.

    Meanwhile, the big corporations, their chief executives, lawyers, MBAs, lobby groups, etc. skew GOP. They want less union power, more pro-IP legislation, and more international IP protection. This is generally seen as "pro business" and thus right wing.

    Despite what Fox News wants to portray, Hollywood is not some liberal bastion. It is a mixed bag, like much of the nation. It probably has more voters that skew left, but the money goes to both parties.

     

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    Suzanne Lainson (profile), Nov 20th, 2012 @ 11:20am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: References

    The GOP via RSC puts out a paper that suggests copyright reform in the direction that the Hollywood lobbyists don't want.

    I'll continue to be curious about why the paper was put out if the GOP knew they'd get a negative reaction from Hollywood lobbyists. The most plausible is the official explanation (that not everyone signed off on it) but not everyone seems to buy that. Another possibility is that whoever okayed this doesn't care about Hollywood lobbyists and was willing to take the risk of irritating them.

     

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    nasch (profile), Nov 20th, 2012 @ 11:22am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Copyright

    I really don't think darryl is capable of mimicking average_joe. He just doesn't have the language or maybe even the cognitive skills.

     

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    Suzanne Lainson (profile), Nov 20th, 2012 @ 11:28am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: A recent update

    Meanwhile, the big corporations, their chief executives, lawyers, MBAs, lobby groups, etc. skew GOP. They want less union power, more pro-IP legislation, and more international IP protection. This is generally seen as "pro business" and thus right wing.

    That's what I continue to expect from the GOP. This one paper or even a major push to reform copyright alone wouldn't change that. I am interested in IP issues to the extent that they are part of a much larger movement, which is best explored over at the P2P Foundation. I see major economic and sustainability issues that will need to be solved with more global cooperation and new forms of community organization.

     

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    Suzanne Lainson (profile), Nov 20th, 2012 @ 12:03pm

    On big corporations bullying little guys

    Maybe this has already been posted on Techdirt. I know this is about trademarks rather than copyrights, but it is an IP issue.

    Google v Doogle: school dropout ready for legal battle with internet's Goliath | World news | The Guardian: "Google declined to answer questions about Doogle directly. Julie Taylor, a spokeswoman for the company in South Africa, said: 'We can't comment on individual cases, but we are passionate about protecting the reputation of our brand as an objective and fair provider of search results. We simply ask our users not to shorten, abbreviate or create acronyms out of Google trademarks.'"

     

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    btr1701 (profile), Nov 20th, 2012 @ 12:16pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    > nice non-response. grammer over substance.

    Wrong. In this case, grammar *is* the substance. The AC claimed that many of our posts showed we were stupid and the American education system is a joke. Pointing out his poor language skills is a direct response and refutation of his point.

     

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    Mike Masnick (profile), Nov 20th, 2012 @ 5:54pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: A recent update

    Where did you get "ballistic" and "demanding"? You made that part up, right?


    I stand by the story. I've heard from enough sources about what happened. Sorry that you don't like that it makes your friend look bad. But, thems the breaks.

     

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    crade (profile), Nov 21st, 2012 @ 2:15pm

    Re: Re: Re: Copyright

    Huh? Sorry I didn't read all your essay.. But no, I wasn't arguing, just pointing out that the individual I was replying to was wrong in saying that protecting "Intellectual Property" is not neccessary in order for people to make a living creating and innovating.

    Not saying it doesn't help, I wasn't commenting on that either way. Proven not to be neccessary, though.

     

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    crade (profile), Nov 21st, 2012 @ 2:21pm

    Re: Re: Re: Copyright

    And yes, the government did make up IP. Ideas, what you know, people thinking, etc has already existed. Treating these things as property, however is a concept completely fabricated out of legistlation.

     

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    crade (profile), Nov 21st, 2012 @ 2:28pm

    Re: Re: Re: Copyright

    Of course what I know has value. It just isn't my property. Teaching someone to fish and then suing them for stealing from me is.. well, wrong. Even if I was the first dude to ever attach a hood to a line, it would still be wrong.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 24th, 2012 @ 2:16pm

    Masnick is yet another reptilian pawn in the secret society of googles and pirates.

    It's good to know that fellow freedom fighters such as myself are fighting the masnick regime on this frontier known as the internet to keep mike hitler from blitzkrieging innocent artists and starting the new google reich in his name and gassing innocent content creators in the pirate ovens

    INVISIBLE GOOGLES WATCH YOU WHILE YOU SLEEP, ALWAYS KEEP YOUR THIRD EYE OPEN

     

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    nasch (profile), Nov 24th, 2012 @ 4:33pm

    Re:

    gassing innocent content creators in the pirate ovens

    lol! +1 for insanely over the top Nazi reference.

     

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    Overcast (profile), Nov 26th, 2012 @ 5:47am

    Screw Hollywood; I'm so sick of them.

    I'll drop cable in response to their permanent placement of their head in their asses. I was on the edge of that anyway; cable's full of commercials anyway now.

    There's so much to do in life; without being burdened my Hollywood and it's wallet-leeching mentality.

     

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