Textbook Publisher Pearson Takes Down 1.5 Million Teacher And Student Blogs With A Single DMCA Notice

from the 38-year-old-content-in-a-5-year-old-post-equals-1.5-million-dead-blogs dept

If there's one thing we've seen plenty of here at Techdirt, it's the damage a single DMCA takedown notice can do. From shuttering a legitimate ebook lending site to removing negative reviews to destroying a user's Flickr account to knocking a copyright attorney's site offline, the DMCA notice continues to be the go-to weapon for copyright defenders. Collateral damage is simply shrugged at and the notices continue to fly at an ever-increasing pace.

Textbook publisher Pearson set off an unfortunate chain of events with a takedown notice issued aimed at a copy of Beck's Hoplessness Scale posted by a teacher on one of Edublogs' websites (You may recall Pearson from such other related copyright nonsense as The $180 Art Book With No Pictures and No Free Textbooks Ever!). The end result? Nearly 1.5 million teacher and student blogs taken offline by Edublogs' host, ServerBeach. James Farmer at wpmu.org fills in the details.
In case you don’t already know, we’re the folks not only behind this site and WPMU DEV, but also Edublogs… the oldest and second largest WordPress Multisite setup on the web, with, as of right now 1,451,943 teacher and student blogs hosted.

And today, our hosting company, ServerBeach, to whom we pay $6,954.37 every month to host Edublogs, turned off our webservers, without notice, less than 12 hours after issuing us with a DMCA email.

Because one of our teachers, in 2007, had shared a copy of Beck’s Hopelessness Scale with his class, a 20 question list, totalling some 279 words, published in 1974, that Pearson would like you to pay $120 for.
Putting aside for a moment the fact that Pearson somehow feels that a 38-year-old questionnaire is worth $120, and the fact that the targeted post was originally published in 2007, there's still the troubling question as to why ServerBeach felt compelled to take down 1.5 million blogs over a single DMCA notice. There's nothing in the DMCA process that demands an entire "ecosystem" be killed off to eliminate a single "bad apple." This sort of egregious overcompliance gives certain copyright holders all the encouragement they need to continue to abuse the DMCA takedown system. 

Making this whole catastrophe even worse is the fact that Edublogs already has a system in place to deal with copyright-related complaints. As the frontline for 1.5 million blogs, Edublogs is constantly fighting off scrapers and spam blogs (splogs) who siphon off content. The notice sent to Edublogs had already been dealt with and the offending post removed, but these steps still weren't enough.
So, yesterday, when we got a DMCA notice from our hosts, we assumed it was probably a splog, but it turned out it wasn’t, rather just a blog from back in 2007 with a teacher sharing some materials with their students...

And the link they complained about specifically is still on Google cache, so you can review it for yourself, until Pearson’s lawyers get Google to take that down… or maybe Google will get shut down themselves ;)

So we looked at it, figured that whether or not we liked it Pearson were probably correct about it, and as it hadn’t been used in the last 5 years ’splogged’ the site so that the content was no longer available and informed ServerBeach.

Clearly though that wasn’t good enough for Serverbeach who detected that we still had the file in our Varnish cache (nevermind that it was now inaccessible to anyone) and decided to shut us down without a word of warning.
Well, there actually was a "word of warning." Farmer received the following notice that clearly states ServerBeach's DMCA policy, which, unbelievably, entails taking entire servers offline in order to "comply" with DMCA notices. For $75,000 a year, you'd think Edublogs would be entitled to a bit more nuance.


As for Pearson, it's a shame to see a zero-tolerance, all-uses-are-infringing attitude superseding any sort of educational benefit gained from being included in a teacher's class materials. Taking a look at the original post (below), it appears to be no different than a teacher photocopying course materials for attending students.

Hosting it online may make the test infinitely distributable, but there's no indication this was the teacher's intent. One of several problems in copyright law is the fact that what appears to be fair use to the layman is usually illegal. And the unintended consequences of actions taken in good faith tends to include a ton of collateral damage -- damages which usually far outweigh any perceived losses from non-commercial infringement. Because of this, hosting companies tend to prefer harming a relationship with a paying customer to finding their safe harbors under attack. For the sake of a $120 paper, ServerBeach was more than willing to drop a $75,000/year customer. Despite all the whining, copyright still has plenty of power. Too bad it's so easily abused.


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    Scott, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 7:27am

    Another Company ignoring a clear case of fair use.

     

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      jupiterkansas (profile), Oct 15th, 2012 @ 7:39am

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      Unfortunately it's not up to the company to determine fair use. Only the court can do that. The copyright system is broken if it requires a court to determine each case.

       

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        Scott, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 7:54am

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        Do they have the money or the time to do that? No,so quit saying that.

         

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          pixelpusher220 (profile), Oct 15th, 2012 @ 8:10am

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          You're only making his point that it's broken...

           

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            Scott, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 12:12pm

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            Exactly.But any of those people that copyright disputes like that can hire an attorney to sort the manner when it cost $4,000 to hire without the court cost. I'm in that kinda situation on Youtube with my Yourube poop/mash up videos. I don't have the money because I'm on disability for Asperger's and I'm legally blind in one eye,I have ketraconnius,glaucoma.

             

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              jupiterkansas (profile), Oct 15th, 2012 @ 12:22pm

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              No, people can't afford it. That's the problem. I'm a copyright holder and I'm perfectly healthy and I still don't have the money to chase down anyone that would share my content with other people.

              Then again, I don't really care if they do. It just means more people will be paying attention the next time I do something.

               

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        Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 7:57am

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        That's funny. The piracy apologists routinely claim that a judge should be the one to determine whether something is infringing before it can be taken down.

        But you argue the system is "broken" if a judge has to determine what is fair use. Interestingly hypocritical.

         

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          Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 8:09am

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          You should review your logic rules, because something doesn't add up.

           

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            Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 9:00am

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            You should review your logic rules, because something doesn't add up.

            Yeah, the way you boneheads constantly talk out of both sides of your mouth.

            And If you think the DMCA sucks so bad, why aren't you lobbying to get it improved/modified? Getting Wyden and Lofgren on it?

            Hmm?

            I think we all know the answer to that one.

             

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              Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 9:14am

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              "And If you think the DMCA sucks so bad, why aren't you lobbying to get it improved/modified? "

              Well, I could do that. Clearly your country needs some babysitting. My own country has some problems right now, but I could probably spare some time to help the less enlightened.


              (HINT: the Internet population is not exclusively American...bonehead)

               

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              Aaron, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 10:11am

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              I would live to have time left over from fighting SOPA, CISPA, ACTA, and whatever the next gopher that pops up to address reforming the DMCA to take out some of the stupid bits like the one that makes software to rip a DVD you own into a more usable format illegal and strengthen the safe harbor protections (is that the answer to "we all know why?"). Without the safe harbor protections, btw, websites wouldn't be able to host your potentially infringing comments at all. Websites with user-generated content would have a hard time existing. In fact, the DMCA clearly doesn't protect speech enough when you have 1.5 million student blogs being taken down over a one-page handout shared by a teacher for a class that ended 5 years ago and nobody has looked at since.

               

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              Mike Masnick (profile), Oct 15th, 2012 @ 10:39am

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              And If you think the DMCA sucks so bad, why aren't you lobbying to get it improved/modified? Getting Wyden and Lofgren on it?

              Yeah, because it's not like they've ever tried to fix the DMCA...

              http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/6582

               

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                Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 10:43am

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                Great punt, Masnick.

                About 6-7 yards.

                That's pretty good for you, tho.

                 

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                Ninja (profile), Oct 15th, 2012 @ 12:05pm

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                Not to mention that when society organizes itself against copyright excesses suddenly Google gets the blame and it's all fruit of misinformation and bla bla bla bla

                Nice linked article.. At 2003 I wasn't engaged on such issues, unfortunately.

                 

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          MrWilson, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 8:15am

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          That's funny. You seem to think that everyone who comments on this blog who doesn't tout a hardline pro-IP perspective is a piracy apologist and they all share the exact same opinions.

          Hypocrisy cannot exist between the contradictory beliefs or statements of two different people don't share the same personhood, much less between several different people.

          But while we're discussing it, the perspectives aren't mutually exclusive. Under the current system, it takes a court to determine it if there is an aggressive rightsholder trying to assert a copyright claim against a person who believes that their use is a fair use. However, it's broken that it has to get that far because the rightsholder should be able to determine that it's fair use and get over it instead of asserting a claim. But the system is set up so that the rightsholder has no incentive to allow fair use to go unchallenged and indeed has a monetary incentive to press every opportunity to assert copyright claims, even on material they don't own or in cases of clear fair use.

           

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            PaulT (profile), Oct 15th, 2012 @ 8:46am

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            "Hypocrisy cannot exist between the contradictory beliefs or statements of two different people don't share the same personhood, much less between several different people."

            There does seem to be a delusion that people who post here regularly are part of some kind of hive mind. I'm often attacked for things I've never said - some of which are the direct opposite of what I actually think - because Mike or some other regular commenter has said it in the past.

            That's why there's so many attacks on people for being pirates, for example - they don't understand that it's perfectly possible to support copyright itself but also believe that the current system is broken and the current enforcement methods are unworkable. Some people honestly seem to believe that if you question the current system, you must therefore be supporting piracy.

             

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              Milton Freewater, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 1:03pm

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              "There does seem to be a delusion that people who post here regularly are part of some kind of hive mind."

              It's a delusion shared by only two or three people who have some unknown incentive to troll. We act all sensitive about it so they continue.

              Now they COULD have an agenda to support copyright feudalism by any means necessary. There's an insane amount of money to be made if future law establishes that no property is ever owned by the purchaser or that companies have a right to profit. Maybe these trolls collect a small piece of an investment toward that. But honestly, this is the Internet and people don't need to be paid to troll.

               

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              nasch (profile), Oct 15th, 2012 @ 4:08pm

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              they don't understand that it's perfectly possible to support copyright itself but also believe that the current system is broken and the current enforcement methods are unworkable.

              It's even possible to believe in neither copyright nor piracy. I think they're really incapable of understanding that, or at best unwilling to believe it.

               

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          PaulT (profile), Oct 15th, 2012 @ 8:41am

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          Interesting how you're unable to either understand a simple point, or respond to said point without name calling and distortion.

          It's quite simple. The system needs some form of due process to avoid problems like this and many other types of abuse. As it is right now, there's too much incentive to take down content in these ways even if the site in question was actually complying. Not acceptable - which ever way you slice it.

          However, copyright maximalists and their defenders will usually come back with some kind of whining about how it should be obvious what's infringing and what's not. In cases like this, it's definitely not obvious and so a court needs to be involved. So, the system is broken - no due process before content is taken down and no way to know what's really fair use until after you take it to court (at your own expense after you've already had the content taken offline, of course).

          It's quite clear and simple. Two separate issues, which when combined point to a broken system. No hypocrisy involved - if you bother to read the actual arguments being raised rather than attacking those who disagree, of course.

           

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          jupiterkansas (profile), Oct 15th, 2012 @ 9:11am

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          Not hypocritical. The system is broken both ways.

          Most laws do not have exceptions that allow people to break the law in special circumstances. The fact that copyright law is loaded with exceptions called fair use, but those exceptions are non-specific and can only be decided on a case-by-case basis, means every copyright case should be resolved by a court.

          The problem is that fair use is very broad and ill defined, so that many instances of what looks like copyright infringement are actually fair use, but neither the copyright holder or the person using the material are able to make that call.

          If there were no such thing as fair use, the so-called "piracy apologists" wouldn't be demanding a judge determine if something were infringing because all use would be infringing. As it is, many uses of copyrighted material (including in this case, I would argue) are fair use and totally legal.

           

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            jupiterkansas (profile), Oct 15th, 2012 @ 9:17am

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            I would add that this problem is aggravated by copyright holders, who avoid letting the courts make clear-cut fair use decisions whenever possible, under the belief that maintaining vague fair use laws will prevent people from using their material in ways that totally legal. All it really does is prevent people from giving a hoot about copyright law.

             

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          Aaron, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 10:04am

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          I like how you ignore all nuance in a situation to portray an entire group of people as a single entity who is a hypocrite for the individuals within it appearing to contradict each other in some way. Problem is there doesn't have to be any contradiction here, just nuance.

          In order to illustrate my point about this being a community of individuals, I am going to speak in the first person here and not pretend to represent anyone else.

          I have always believed that fair use needs to be strengthened. Fair use rights are a very important aspect of copyright, and without the very idea of copyright would be untenable. A person should not have to go to court and face a judge as well as all the expenses and time associated with doing so just to claim their fair use rights. Imagine what it would be like if a teacher had to spend 3 months defending themselves from criminal copyright charges every time they wanted to distribute a handout to their class of 21 students.

          On the other hand, it should require a judge to approve of an action that shuts down 1.5 million blogs. There should be no easy way for censorious douchebags to silence the voices of millions of people just by sending a legal nastygram that costs and risks them nothing (go ahead and show me one case where someone was prosecuted for abusing DMCA).

          Of course, this is just the opinion of one person. I'm sure my belief that a judge should be required for some things and not other things makes everyone a hypocrite. And to justify your piracy apologist comment, I'm just going to throw it out there that Redbeard wasn't such a bad guy, he was just misunderstood.

           

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            Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 11:01am

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            A judge would laugh at this.

            We saw this same scenario a year or so ago; if you want to have a blog on a site like this, you need to read the TOS.

            And the warnings they send you.

            Anyone with half a brain knows that it's possible for this to happen with people like ServerBeach, and you need to get your own domain if you don't like it.

             

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              Milton Freewater, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 11:26am

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              "Anyone with half a brain knows that it's possible for this to happen with people like ServerBeach, and you need to get your own domain if you don't like it."

              Exactly. And on top of that, we must change bad law to make feasible a less oppressive stance for ServerBreach and encourage the development of alternatives.

               

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              Ninja (profile), Oct 15th, 2012 @ 12:14pm

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              Anyone with half a brain would notice that if there was a way to dispute the DMCA takedown without much bureaucracy and costs this could have been prevented. Regardless of TOS. And if the system was actually good ServerB would be throughly punished for broadly taking stuff down (because this time I agree that it's more the datacenter than the rights holder who is at fault EXCEPT that for God sake, it's a 38 year questionnaire posted in 2007........).

               

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            art guerrilla (profile), Oct 15th, 2012 @ 1:04pm

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            "Of course, this is just the opinion of one person."

            make that at least two...

            art guerrilla
            aka ann archy
            eof

             

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            Anonymous Coward, Oct 16th, 2012 @ 8:30am

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            Three.

             

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          Mike Masnick (profile), Oct 15th, 2012 @ 10:38am

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          claim that a judge should be the one to determine whether something is infringing before it can be taken down.

          But you argue the system is "broken" if a judge has to determine what is fair use. Interestingly hypocritical.


          Not sure what's hypocritical about that at all. Seems entirely aligned if you believe in the importance of free speech. You should always err on the side of allowing speech -- which is the case with both of those positions.

           

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          Anonymous Coward, Oct 16th, 2012 @ 5:01am

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          You should discuss that with your fellow moron in this thread, claiming DMCA sender have no obligation to bother if there's fair use or not... because but law doesn't force them to.

           

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        Bengie, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 9:09am

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        "Unfortunately it's not up to the company to determine fair use. Only the court can do that."

        Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

         

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        E. Zachary Knight (profile), Oct 15th, 2012 @ 9:13am

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        Unfortunately it's not up to the company to determine fair use

        Well, it is up to the company sending the DMCA notice to determine fair use. Unfortunately, for companies such as Pearson, there is no such thing.

         

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      Nick, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 1:06pm

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      Well, technically, the school should have filed a counter claim. The hosting company can not and should not be expected to start making judgement calls regarding who really owns the content and what is fair use. If you think it is fair use, send a counter letter. If you feel the notice is correct, then take the thing down yourself.

       

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        nasch (profile), Oct 15th, 2012 @ 4:13pm

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        Well, technically, the school should have filed a counter claim.

        Probably, but the DMCA notice says they can file a counter-notice if the original DMCA claim is incorrect. Well it looks to me like the claim is correct, and it's ServerBeach's response to it that's inappropriate. Their policies don't seem to cover that scenario.

         

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 7:33am

    'copyright still has plenty of power. Too bad it's so easily abused.'

    and that is exactly how it will continue until someone has the balls to introduce a system whereby those issuing false take downs are penalised to the same extent as those that infringe. the problem is it will go against the way the entertainment industries work. they want to be able to issue take downs, even when they know full well they are false, will do irreparable harm but costs them nothing and can get away with doing so.

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 10:02am

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      What happens to those that infringe?

      IOW, what has happened to most of the people that post on this piracy-apologism blog?

      Hmm?

      lol

       

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      Milton Freewater, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 11:21am

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      "and that is exactly how it will continue until someone has the balls to introduce a system whereby those issuing false take downs are penalised to the same extent as those that infringe. the problem is it will go against the way the entertainment industries work. they want to be able to issue take downs, even when they know full well they are false, will do irreparable harm but costs them nothing and can get away with doing so."

      This wasn't a false takedown. It was a legally legit takedown of a post that a teacher assumed was fair use.

      The moral of this story is that the system stifles free speech when it works AS DESIGNED.

      We need copyright in general, but the current application of old copyright law to digital communications (equating all digital communications with mass distribution) was oppressive from the get go.

       

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      Sue, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 3:38pm

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      What is even more SAD is that this is a questionnaire designed to help PREVENT SUICIDE. It's amazing that Pearson didn't even stop to think (before issuing the request for a DMCA notice) how horribly BAD, heartless and money grubbing it makes them look. I understand that copyrights have to be protected... but when did it become impossible to pick up the phone and call someone with a politely worded request? This has got to be horrible PR for Pearson ... that $120 is more important than disseminating material that could save lives. You know, SOME companies might actually think to themselves... "you know, this information is so important to get out - let's make it available for free and worry about making money off more extensive, supporting material." Who RUNS Pearson's PR department anyway? Do they even have one?

       

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    Zakida Paul (profile), Oct 15th, 2012 @ 7:33am

    The thieving freetards deserve whatever they got. Stick 'em all behind a paywall and let 'em rot.

    \sarc

     

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    out_of_the_blue, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 7:35am

    You confound bad management at "hosting company, ServerBeach"

    with some sort of evil plot using DMCA to destroy the web. And you do so knowingly, therefore you're just plain dishonest. Blame here rests ENTIRELY with ServerBeach, as you even state.

    This is typical wild over-reaction here at Techdirt, just use ANY angle to attack copyright, no matter how strained. You write hundreds of words to undermine copyright without any actual criticism of the bad policies at Edublogs.

     

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      Zakida Paul (profile), Oct 15th, 2012 @ 7:38am

      Re: You confound bad management at "hosting company, ServerBeach"

      And yet you come back day after day reading what is written, commenting on it and trying to change peoples' minds in the face of incontrovertible evidence.

      Once again "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."

       

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        DOlz, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 9:00am

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        "Once again "the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.""

        Arguing with out_of_the_blue also qualifies for the above statement. You guys are stuck in a loop, hit escape now for your own sake.

         

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          Zakida Paul (profile), Oct 15th, 2012 @ 9:32am

          Re: Re: Re: You confound bad management at "hosting company, ServerBeach"

          I just like pointing out that he is a bit of a tool, I don't expect to change him.

           

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      Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 7:38am

      Re: You confound bad management at "hosting company, ServerBeach"

      I think that what's happening is that companies are genuinely afraid of copyright infringement, and would rather nuke their customers than to get involved in the mess that will most likely ensue.

      You can thank the copyright holders (mostly the music/movie industry) for creating this climate of fear.

       

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        John85851 (profile), Oct 18th, 2012 @ 1:54pm

        Re: Re: You confound bad management at "hosting company, ServerBeach"

        I was just about to say this.
        Yet when has any hosting company challenged a notice like this? It would be nice if ServerBeach actually stood up and said they're not going to turn off 1.5 million blogs for the sake of a publication made in the 1970's.

        But, again, it's "safer" to nuke the customer than risk the safe harbor laws and getting sued themselves.

         

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      Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 7:39am

      Re: You confound bad management at "hosting company, ServerBeach"

      That some quality trolling, you are a master.

       

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      Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 7:43am

      Re: You confound bad management at "hosting company, ServerBeach"

      That DMCA even allows Pearson AND ServerB**** to get away with this is plain outrageous.

      That your kind can't see how incredibly unbalanced the situation has become and that things must change to disable the possibility of such a scenario is getting everyday more obvious.

       

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        Lowestofthekeys (profile), Oct 15th, 2012 @ 7:52am

        Re: Re: You confound bad management at "hosting company, ServerBeach"

        The main problem with ServerBeach is they're afraid of getting sued, which is why they acted in such a harsh manner.

        Frankly, it's copyright holder's fanatical crusade that's created that fear.

         

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          Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 8:13am

          Re: Re: Re: You confound bad management at "hosting company, ServerBeach"

          Sure, ServerBeach is afraid, but why can't they use a little common sense?

          Instead, they spout some "Zero Tolerance" BS and thump their chest like they doing good, instead, they are hurting their brand and their customers. It's the same crap that public schools face.

          Maybe ServerBeach should just, I dunno, setup a system that can easily 404 that page with the offending information?

          Hopefully ServerBeach dies, they don't deserve any business after this fiasco.

           

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            Lowestofthekeys (profile), Oct 15th, 2012 @ 8:49am

            Re: Re: Re: Re: You confound bad management at "hosting company, ServerBeach"

            I agree, I think common sense is the wise choice especially when it comes to how you deal with your consumers.

            Ironically, they're reflecting the same attitude the labels have towards their consumers, which is assuming some of them are criminals without any real evidence.

             

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              Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 3:23pm

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: You confound bad management at "hosting company, ServerBeach"

              Hopefully SeverBeach has signed it's own death warrant here. They just went to the bottom of the list for customer service.

               

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          Andrew, Oct 17th, 2012 @ 11:21am

          Re: Re: Re: You confound bad management at "hosting company, ServerBeach"

          I haven't read all 100+ comments...but a key technical detail is the Edublogs is a Wordpress Multisite. So probably ServerBeach took down ONE blog...that has 1.6m child sites.

          Thoughts?

           

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        Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 8:46am

        Re: Re: You confound bad management at "hosting company, ServerBeach"

        I wanna see some contempt of court charges issued over these damn automated systems. They are swearing under penalty of purgery after all.

         

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      Lowestofthekeys (profile), Oct 15th, 2012 @ 7:48am

      Re: You confound bad management at "hosting company, ServerBeach"

      Aren't you confounding what is said in the article?

      This is specifically referring to the abuse of the DMCA system and one company's overreaction to it, not copyright.

      Stop generalizing the issue at hand.

       

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      Shame, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 7:55am

      Re: You confound bad management at "hosting company, ServerBeach"

      Seriously, you want to do this type of comment .... this is beyond any doubt a fair use claim and the fact that 1.5 million people were affected makes the case for copyright to be abolished in its entirety and you want to say that someone did something wrong by 5 years ago posting 20 questions that someone else had written.

      Shame on you, and shame on the copyright monopolists. This type of action is why people ignore copyright, and your type of comment is why people will ignore it more and more every day, until copyright laws are changed or removed from the law books.

      Remember the monopoly was only granted very recently and was supported by the majority, but with the advances in technology the copyright laws are just holding innovation back. And to come on here and say that this site is supporting copyright is crazy, they have pointed out where a publisher has used the dmca to take down content and how it has affected 1.5 million people, that is news and should actually be headline news as it is another reason copyright needs to be abolished, hiding the wrongs that copyright does is not the way to move forward.

       

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        Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 8:48am

        Re: Re: You confound bad management at "hosting company, ServerBeach"

        If it had been posted 7 years ago, would the statute of limitations have applied?

         

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          art guerrilla (profile), Oct 15th, 2012 @ 1:18pm

          Re: Re: Re: You confound bad management at "hosting company, ServerBeach"

          no, statute of limitations are only for minor things like theft, embezzlement, rape, and assault...

          SERIOUS breeches of THE LAW , like copyright infringement are punishable for life + infinity...

          art guerrilla
          aka ann archy
          eof

           

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        Brian, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 5:52pm

        Re: Re: You confound bad management at "hosting company, ServerBeach"

        Great idea. Let's abolish copyright and tear down a big part of the backbone of the American economy. Why pay writers and authors and actors and directors? Let them go become useful members of society and work in farming or manufacturing. God knows, the world needs more corn. We already have enough books.

        And besides, once we've abolished copyright and the entire American creative industry, that'll give other nations the chance to excel and fill up the void we leave behind. Can you say Korean police dramas at 8 PM, Nigerian soap operas at 9 PM, and the latest flick from Bollywood at 10? That sounds like a good, wholesome American Wednesday night primetime programming schedule to me! Let's get going on this whole "ban the copyright" movement... yee ha!

         

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          nasch (profile), Oct 15th, 2012 @ 6:14pm

          Re: Re: Re: You confound bad management at "hosting company, ServerBeach"

          I haven't seen so many bogus claims in one comment in a while. And it's not even a long comment. I wish it was satire, but I think more likely ignorance or trolling. Hard to tell the difference sometimes.

           

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          RD, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 8:10pm

          Re: Re: Re: You confound bad management at "hosting company, ServerBeach"

          "Great idea. Let's abolish copyright and tear down a big part of the backbone of the American economy."

          False dichotomy. Abolishing copyright would NOT tear down your "backbone," categorically. And it is NOT that big a part of the economy. Its sizeable, but the auto industry going under would have dwarfed all media by several times.

          People would still create, media companies would still exist, Disney would still steal 100+ year old stories and remake them in their image. People have created since the dawn of man, they will create with or without copyright. They will even find ways to be paid for it without copyright, guaranteed. Do you really think that if copyright disappeared EVERY SINGLE creative industry and person would just throw up their hands and go "oh well, FUCK IT now!" and just stop? ALL of them? Really?

           

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          Anonymous Coward, Oct 16th, 2012 @ 5:19am

          Re: Re: Re: You confound bad management at "hosting company, ServerBeach"

          Your post can be summed as as you being a believer that creation will end and it's economy will die if copyright disappears.

          The "backbone of the American economy" is a fallacy too. The MPAA/RIAA's obnoxiousness to freedom of creation is way disproportionate to what the value they do bring.

           

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          skj91 (profile), Jan 25th, 2013 @ 7:46pm

          Re: Re: Re: You confound bad management at "hosting company, ServerBeach"

          @Brian
          "Great idea. Let's abolish copyright and tear down a big part of the backbone of the American economy. Why pay writers and authors and actors and directors? Let them go become useful members of society and work in farming or manufacturing. God knows, the world needs more corn. We already have enough books."

          Except that writers, authors, actors, and directors (or let's just call them, collectively, 'artists') aren't making a single penny more than they already were with these DMCA take-downs. Only the publishers, producers, and labels (i.e. people who most certainly did not, in any way, create the content being infringed upon) profit off of this total eradication approach to said unlicensed content.

          In fact, artists are far more likely to be WORSE off as a direct result of such take-downs because all it ends up doing is make it so that from the moment the content is taken down until the rest of eternity, they (or more specifically--their work) can no longer be discovered by anyone, EVER! End of story. Only those who were aware with a particular piece, prior to its disappearance, will ever know it existed. Final scene? Any targeted artists' fan-base can only shrink, and never grow.

          Seriously, if it is the artists, their due credit, earnings, or simply their overall well-being that your heart is truly concerned for... well, then... I'm sorry to tell you, you're paddling in the wrong direction, pal.

          The irony here, when you look at the full spectrum of actions being taken and the real-world impact the whole series of events results in... it is blatantly obvious that the true scum-bag, undeserving, thieving, 'PIRATES' in this shipwreck of a tale are the corporate copyrights holders of other peoples' work they are claiming as their own.

          Incidentally, for anyone who may have always wondered or not otherwise had a very concrete idea of what exactly the term 'selling out' means -- the previous statement is the deep-rooted meaning of that phrase and is exactly why the greater majority of artists have so much contempt for fellow artists who wind up being one. Sell out artists willingly agree to sign away their rights of ownership (and thereby 100% of the credit for making) to their work to some irrelevant party or entity that did not creatively contribute to the growth of said work (at least not intentionally) in the least. To just give that right away for nothing more than one, single, big, fat, immediately accessible, lump sum, wad of cash--It's an insult to humanity, is what it is. And back to the troll touting their misguided perception of ethics: Come on... really? The people offering the most support to those that actually deserve to gain anything out of the work? The people doing the most to help bring any kind success to exactly who it should go to? The very people doing nothing more malicious or invasive or destructive than merely openly exposing themselves and their honest admiration of someone else's talent to the world? THOSE are the unethical people? Come on... REALLY?

          Honestly, when the 'product' is any form of art, more than at any time, NO ONE should be granted or even be allowed to obtain ownership rights of something they had no part in bringing into existence. Descendants can be appropriately compensated through contract arrangements without revoking the credit their predescesors rightfully earned for anything so anyone about to jump in with that rebuttal as though it were valid can bury that impulse right now.

           

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      PaulT (profile), Oct 15th, 2012 @ 8:01am

      Re: You confound bad management at "hosting company, ServerBeach"

      "You write hundreds of words to undermine copyright without any actual criticism of the bad policies at Edublogs."

      Well, ignoring for now that you seem to have missed that most of those words were critical of Pearson and the DMCA rather than copyright (reading comprhension is still the enemy of certain people here it seems), which bad policies are you talking about?

      Both articles seem to suggest that the DMCA request was dealt with and complied with in a timely manner, and the original article stressed that EduBlogs have even developed tools specifically to deal with the problems they face.

      Would you mind clarifying why you're holding EduBlogs responsible for this?

       

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      gorehound (profile), Oct 15th, 2012 @ 8:18am

      Re: You confound bad management at "hosting company, ServerBeach"

      We have valid reasons to hate Big Content and to hate the MAFIAA.
      This story is not an over-reaction.
      The Solution is for a Teacher & Student Revolt over these Big Content Ripoff Companies and go total Open Source.
      Fuck The Establishment !

       

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      Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 10:16pm

      Re: You confound bad management at "hosting company, ServerBeach"

      Yeah and can you also please explain why nothing happens when false DMCA notices get sent and legal shit gets shut down? Explain the government holding millions of users data hostage on the Megaupload servers?

      Can't? Then sit the fuck down son.

       

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 7:39am

    Waow. Any website allowing use contributions should move their business from ServerBeach.

    That whole story smells fishy to say the least.
    Was Edublog's ecosystem particularly loaded with copyrighted stuff in general ?
    Any financial ties between Pearson & ServerBeach that could explain this ?

     

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      Shame, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 7:59am

      Re:

      Imagen owning a business that is so rich that they can close down a customer who pays them $75 000 a year because someone posted 20 questions 5 years ago. They must be doing very very well, but hey at least now the they can let someone else host the servers and make the money , maybe the site can even get a better deal somewhere else outside of America where the DMCA is not used.

       

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        PT (profile), Oct 15th, 2012 @ 10:08am

        Re: Re:

        There is always the possibility that Server Beach was well aware of what they were doing and were making a point of their own. If every host responded to DMCA requests in this manner, it would anger the public enough to demand action. A million and a half bloggers may turn out to be a good start.

         

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      Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 8:32am

      Re:

      Yup - did you catch this bit:

      "your server will remain disabled until we receive a valid DMCA counter notice
      Note that there's no discussion about the allegedly infringing material being removed - unless you provide a DMCA counter-notice, your entire server is offline.

      That's just fucking insane.

       

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      John Fenderson (profile), Oct 15th, 2012 @ 10:17am

      Re:

      Any website allowing use contributions should move their business from ServerBeach.


      Any site of any sort should move their business from ServerBeach. Their overreaction demonstrates that none of their customers are safe.

       

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 7:40am

    This is why you should not host in the USA

    While it might be cheaper, hosting your content in the USA exposes you to these kinds of abuse. Hosts outside the USA do not have to do anything when receiving a DMCA notice.

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 7:46am

      Re: This is why you should not host in the USA

      And noone will bother calculating US "lost revenue" to copyright holders ill behavior.

       

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        Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 8:32am

        Re: Re: This is why you should not host in the USA

        That's probably because hosting outside of the USA to avoid DMCA notices makes it a "rogue website".

         

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          Anonymous Coward, Oct 16th, 2012 @ 5:35am

          Re: Re: Re: This is why you should not host in the USA

          While foreigners hosting in the USA makes all that lovely data easily available to the USA security services.

           

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    out_of_the_blue, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 7:46am

    @ #1 and #2: this isn't shown to be a false DMCA notice!

    Your comments only show knee-jerk reaction to "DMCA".

    A second reading also intrigued me with "scrapers and spam blogs (splogs) who siphon off content"! -- WELL, WELL! It's about time for it to be recognized here at Techdirt that using content created by others is at the very least unethical!

     

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      Zakida Paul (profile), Oct 15th, 2012 @ 7:51am

      Re: @ #1 and #2: this isn't shown to be a false DMCA notice!

      "WELL, WELL! It's about time for it to be recognized here at Techdirt that using content created by others is at the very least unethical!"

      Tell that to the recording industry who do nothing but use content created by others.

       

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        Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 9:04am

        Re: Re: @ #1 and #2: this isn't shown to be a false DMCA notice!

        Uh, the record industry opens their wallet. They provide venture capital for new recordings.

        Btw, you're a fucking moron.

        Have a nice day.

         

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          Zakida Paul (profile), Oct 15th, 2012 @ 9:34am

          Re: Re: Re: @ #1 and #2: this isn't shown to be a false DMCA notice!

          They also have been known not to pass on royalties for compilation albums.

          No need for swearing but then that is all people like you know how to do well.

           

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          Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 9:34am

          Re: Re: Re: @ #1 and #2: this isn't shown to be a false DMCA notice!

          Except that isn't what ootb said. He said:

          "...using content created by others is at the very least unethical!"

          Record labels use things created by others. Maybe little boy blue should be more specific.

           

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      Rikuo (profile), Oct 15th, 2012 @ 7:52am

      Re: @ #1 and #2: this isn't shown to be a false DMCA notice!

      "using content created by others is at the very least unethical!"

      Such an absolute statement. All I can say is you are an idiot, moron, stupid turd of a human being to say something like that.

      You really do live up to your name, hasn't_got_a_clue

       

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      Baby Huey, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 8:51am

      Re: @ #1 and #2: this isn't shown to be a false DMCA notice!

      Grow up.

       

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      Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 8:52am

      Re: @ #1 and #2: this isn't shown to be a false DMCA notice!

      Under that line of logic we wouldn't have things like Calculus and Cars.

       

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      That Crazy Freetard (profile), Oct 15th, 2012 @ 10:14am

      Re: @ #1 and #2: this isn't shown to be a false DMCA notice!

      Well, then why did you quote Mike?

      You immoral piece of trash. You really are the dregs of humanity.

       

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      John Fenderson (profile), Oct 15th, 2012 @ 10:19am

      Re: @ #1 and #2: this isn't shown to be a false DMCA notice!

      It's about time for it to be recognized here at Techdirt that using content created by others is at the very least unethical.


      You really don't read this site at all, do you? Using content created by others can certainly be (but is not always) unethical. This position has been stated often over the years here. I'm surprised you missed that.

       

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      Milton Freewater, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 11:33am

      Re: @ #1 and #2: this isn't shown to be a false DMCA notice!

      "It's about time for it to be recognized here at Techdirt that using content created by others is at the very least unethical!"

      Notice how I just republished your words without your explicit permission. I assumed you'd be OK with it because of where I found them and you no doubt will agree. See how easy it is to use content created by others?

      I have the right to make that call in this case and many others.

      But yes, SOMETIMES it's unethical.

       

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 7:46am

    Vote with your wallet

    Any word on whether or not Edublog will be switching hosting services? Not that there is any reason to believe another host would have acted any better, but still, it would register some small amount of disapproval.

     

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    Joe, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 7:51am

    Damn - I have a box with Server Beach. Looks like I'll be having a chat with my rep today.

     

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    DannyB (profile), Oct 15th, 2012 @ 7:54am

    What's the best way to get rid of a bad law?

    The best way to get rid of a bad law is to enforce it.

    In Rhode Island it is illegal to sell both toothpaste and a toothbrush to the same person on a Sunday.

    In Boston it is illegal to bathe without authorization of a physician.

    In the US the DMCA is not a big enough travesty, we need SOPA, PIPA, ACTA, TPP, etc.

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 9:00am

      Re: What's the best way to get rid of a bad law?

      That explains Bostonians! ;) Oh wait, was I thinking of Baltimore?

       

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 8:00am

    Its bad idea to become enemy of nearly 1.5 million teachers and students, now they will scan and share the full catalogue just for fun.

     

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    Vidiot (profile), Oct 15th, 2012 @ 8:18am

    Sauce for the goose

    Hate to incite more mayhem, but it's hard to believe that Pearson, too, might not have a 35-year-old skeleton in the closet... a stray morsel of random content owned by others, worthy of a reciprocal takedown. Search party, anyone?

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 9:14am

      Re: Sauce for the goose

      I like the way you think sir, Now we just need to target ServerBeach as well..

       

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      Andrew, Oct 16th, 2012 @ 7:02pm

      Re: Sauce for the goose

      They do for sure, but suing them won't help things much. They get sued all the time, and pass the costs on to the students.

      The problem is the copyright system Unless you enforce copyright, you have no right, so Pearson is forced to send out notes on anything it sees, regardless of how dickish it is.

      But also ServerBeach handled this particular case badly. They did not deal with Edublog well at all, a couple of phone calls would have sorted it out.

       

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        nasch (profile), Oct 16th, 2012 @ 7:30pm

        Re: Re: Sauce for the goose

        "T he problem is the copyright system Unless you enforce copyright, you have no right, so Pearson is forced to send out notes on anything it sees, regardless of how dickish it is."

        That's not true; you're thinking of trademark.

         

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    Mr. Smarta** (profile), Oct 15th, 2012 @ 8:26am

    Of course...

    Just goes to show that school is only for the rich, elitists if publishers and colleges have their way. Publishers are standing on their soapboxes screaming "NO POOR PEOPLE!!! SCREW YOU ALL!! IF YOU'RE NOT RICH, YOU DON'T DESERVE OUR BOOKS!!" blah blah blah.

    Ever wonder why colleges are charging $10k for 12 credits? And what does the government do? Nothing. Why? Oh, yeah. Because they're rich. Amazing!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 8:36am

    The Internet was intended as a distributed system, which would avoid a single incident taking down a large number of sites. Perhaps a few more incidents like this may encourage people to host their own data, or a least use small local data centers; placed in and run by local schools, churches and clubs as a service for their member, staff and stucents.
    Yes a sledge hammer has been used to crack a nut, but convenience has allowed the concentration of services which allowed the a single hit to do that much damage.
    ServerBeach probably calculated that a law suite would cost much more than they get from their client, and so took the safetst route for them.

     

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    Wally (profile), Oct 15th, 2012 @ 8:38am

    I might come off as a luddite but I had a few Pearson Publishing text books in college. To prevent people from being able to learn anything from previous editions they kept "updating" the material by changing where it was in the book . They also forced you online or onto your computer with useless DVD's to try to interact learn from two formats at once. More than half of my Anatomy and Physiology class failed because of Pearson. It was so bad the professor had to use PowerPoint in order to make sense of the book.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 8:40am

    with great power comes zero responsability

    It boggles my mind to no end that there's no punishment for false/overzealous takedown notices (willing or accidental). There's absolutely no incentive to handle this power with the apropriate care.
    I bet the politicians who voted this said to themselves, hey these guys aren't in politics, we can trust them to do the right thing without holding a stick back to punish abuse, because we all know economy thrives on fairness, principles and ideology.

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 8:56am

      Re: with great power comes zero responsability

      There is the threat of purgery. We need to push enforcement.

       

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        Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 9:00am

        Re: Re: with great power comes zero responsability

        y+1 for "purgery". We need that too ;)

         

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        Ruben, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 1:39pm

        Re: Re: with great power comes zero responsability

        The penalty of perjury only applies if the entity serving the takedown is not an authorized rights holder. Not anything to do with false notices. Hooray for unlimited consequenceless takedowns!!!

         

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 8:43am

    A teaching moment

    Not that the up-and-coming generation thinks much of copyright anyway, but that movement just gathered a million or so teachers who have just been slapped with the reality of how out of control the whole copyright thing actually is. And they can *teach it to their students*. Maybe the big copyright industries can have everyone under their thumbs for a few more years, but these kids are gonna grow up and be passing some laws. I wonder which teaching moments will leave a lasting impression?

     

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      Lauriel (profile), Oct 16th, 2012 @ 12:00am

      Re: A teaching moment

      Speaking from experience, if there is one group of people who care less about copyright, I don't know them. Teachers share - education is based on that concept. Schools simply don't have the funds to exist in a copyrighted world. If it isn't fair use, most of us don't care. As far as I'm concerned, my students education comes first.

       

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 8:49am

    The funny part is in all of this that this is not Pearson Publishing's Fault. Rather, it's a hosting company who has arbitrary rules regarding how they handle DMCA complaints, which go far and beyond what is required by law.

    Pearson didn't ask for millions of pages to be taken down. They asked for pretty much 1 page. The choice to take it all down is not theirs, it is the hosting company.

    Moreover, what the hosting company is in fact within the scope of their hosting agreement, and a manner in which they can choose to limit their liability. Anyone hosting with them is pretty much dead from the neck up if they accept these sort of terms.

    If there is any legal issue here, it's the site owner to the hosting company, and nothing else. Pearson is not at fault for flagging content with the DMCA. Fair use claims are the rebuttal to a DMCA notice, not something the right holder needs to determine themselves.

     

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      Niall (profile), Oct 15th, 2012 @ 9:02am

      Re:

      Depends how they found and flagged it. It also shows that they gave no thought to either fair use (which this clearly is), nor did it in any kind of timely fashion.

       

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      Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 9:07am

      Re:

      "Fair use claims are the rebuttal to a DMCA notice, not something the right holder needs to determine themselves."

      This shoot first, blindly and "because I can" with no accountability is the reason why DMCA should be dismantled. It is destroying the web.

       

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        Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 9:59am

        Re: Re:

        You: "DMCA should be dismantled."

        Me: I agree let's get rid of the DMCA.

        You: Wait, whoops. That means US websites, servers and providers no longer have protection against copyright infringement claims.

        Me: Care to rethink your position, Einstein?

         

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          Mike Masnick (profile), Oct 15th, 2012 @ 10:45am

          Re: Re: Re:

          You: Wait, whoops. That means US websites, servers and providers no longer have protection against copyright infringement claims.

          Two quick points on this:

          1. When people talk about DMCA reform, they generally mean the crappy parts like the anticircumvention clauses.

          2. Even if we did roll back the law and got rid of the DMCA completely, you're wrong that it would mean service providers have "no protection" against such claims. It would wipe out the safe harbor that allows them to easily dismiss such cases, but in no way means they're automatically liable. As we've seen, even in cases where the safe harbor is lost (such as by not registering a DMCA agent), that doesn't mean they're not protected:

          http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20120312/13240918081/new-ruling-old-righthaven-case-m akes-two-important-points-protecting-fair-use-secondary-liability.shtml

           

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            Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 10:52am

            Re: Re: Re: Re:

            Then why don't you lobby for the end of the DMCA? Hmm?

            Because you know that no one would listen to you.

            Because you know that the "reforms" (sic) that you want aren't anything remotely close to the spirit and intent of the law.

            Because you're intellectually dishonest. Pathologically so.

             

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              Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 11:33am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

              What's the use?

              Masnick involves himself in politics, you whine that he's lobbying.

              Masnick doesn't involve himself in politics, you whine that he's a pussy and he's a pathological liar.

              There's no pleasing stuck-up idiots like you, just like how you think pirates only download music from the Top 20 and irreparably damage independent labels at the same time.

               

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                Scott, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 11:53am

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

                Pirate,not me. I just bought Our Lady Peace 2 latest albums with they're on independent label and last week bought Garbage's latest album which they're on their own independent label.

                 

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              Anonymous Coward, Oct 16th, 2012 @ 5:42am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

              "Why don't you lobby"
              I'm scared of being lynch-mobbed by IP-propagandists already teaming the lace.

               

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      Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 9:07am

      Re:

      "The funny part is in all of this that this is not Pearson Publishing's Fault. Rather, it's a hosting company who has arbitrary rules regarding how they handle DMCA complaints, which go far and beyond what is required by law."

      Actually, no. It is partially Pearson Publishing's faul, as well as other copyright holders like them.

      Were they not so tempermental and seemingly vindictive, such a thing wouldn't have happened. Now you might say but how is it their fault? Simple. They intimidate others to the point of complete and total fear of any possible repercussions should they not immediately act on a DMCA notice, up to and including "far and beyond what is required by law".

      An interesting point as well. Google through YouTube actively takes down infringing material when notified, as well as has created the ContentID system (on their own dime) to pro-actively allow for the removal of unauthorized content, as well as monetizing any/all content (that isn't taken down). And that STILL isn't enough for the copyright holders.

      Despite not being required to even comply with the DMCA, Megaupload did so. And look at them.

      I could list countless other examples where companies are going above and beyond what is required by the law and where corporations like Pearson Publishing are still calling for their heads because "they aren't doing enough" (despite doing all required by the law).

      So yeah, don't play that card. Some will never be happy. Copyright holders being first in that line of never being pleased.

      And that's overlooking the important fact that everything they push for and demand they want others to foot the bill for.

       

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        Anonymous Coward, Oct 16th, 2012 @ 8:26am

        Re: Re:

        " They intimidate others to the point of complete and total fear of any possible repercussions should they not immediately act on a DMCA notice, up to and including "far and beyond what is required by law"."

        That was the choice of the hosting company, not Pearson. Pearson did not disconnect the client.

        "Despite not being required to even comply with the DMCA, Megaupload did so. And look at them. "

        BULLSHIT. Mega would disactivate links, but leave the original material on the server with as many other links that pointed to it still active. They didn't handle DMCA properly, they just tried to do legal avoidance of responsiblity.

        "I could list countless other examples where companies are going above and beyond what is required by the law and where corporations like Pearson Publishing are still calling for their heads because "they aren't doing enough" (despite doing all required by the law)."

        Please do. I need a laugh.

         

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          Ninja (profile), Oct 18th, 2012 @ 9:53am

          Re: Re: Re:

          That was the choice of the hosting company, not Pearson. Pearson did not disconnect the client.

          Better safe than sorry. Could it be that this overreaction was caused by overaggressive copyright efforts? See how you didn't address the point?

          BULLSHIT. Mega would disactivate links, but leave the original material on the server with as many other links that pointed to it still active. They didn't handle DMCA properly, they just tried to do legal avoidance of responsiblity.

          Because if more than a user uploaded the same file they'd only keep one copy to save storage space. One of the users could have gotten the file through legit means (ie: I have a CD and downloaded the mp3 from TPB instead of riping). There's no way they could know exactly who had legitimate ownership. Keep failing, keep failing.

          "I could list countless other examples where companies are going above and beyond what is required by the law and where corporations like Pearson Publishing are still calling for their heads because "they aren't doing enough" (despite doing all required by the law)."

          Youtube for starters. Don't laugh too much, you'll look even more stupid.

           

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      Karl (profile), Oct 15th, 2012 @ 8:06pm

      Re:

      Fair use claims are the rebuttal to a DMCA notice, not something the right holder needs to determine themselves.

      Actually, that's not true.
      Even if Universal is correct that fair use only excuses infringement, the fact remains that fair use is a lawful use of a copyright. Accordingly, in order for a copyright owner to proceed under the DMCA with "a good faith belief that use of the material in the manner complained of is not authorized by the copyright owner, its agent, or the law," the owner must evaluate whether the material makes fair use of the copyright. An allegation that a copyright owner acted in bad faith by issuing a takedown notice without proper consideration of the fair use doctrine thus is sufficient to state a misrepresentation claim pursuant to Section 512(f) of the DMCA.
      - Lenz v. Universal Music

       

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        Anonymous Coward, Oct 16th, 2012 @ 8:24am

        Re: Re:

        Great argument Karl, except that fair use is at very best a judgement call, and not something so specifically set out in law. It's not "black letter law", it's something that is a series of tests created by the courts, and failing or passing some of them MAY make something fair use.

        Since the law is unclear, the copyright holder is well within their rights to issue a DMCA on things that they have not authorized. The person using the material then replies "we disagree, we feel it is fair use" and the matter can go to court if the rights holder feels the need. That notice and counter notice should be enough to remove liability for the hosting company.

        The issue here is that the hosting company, rather than dealing with their client in a fair manner, and rather than giving their client time to make a reasonable reply, instead cut them off, period. Lay the blame where it belongs.

         

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          Karl (profile), Oct 16th, 2012 @ 9:54am

          Re: Re: Re:

          Great argument Karl, except that fair use is at very best a judgement call, and not something so specifically set out in law.

          It's not my argument, it's the argument of the court in Northern California.

          Regardless, you're right, fair use is certainly not a black-and-white affair. What the case says is required, is a good faith effort to determine that the use is not fair, before a DMCA takedown notice is sent.

          The issue here is that the hosting company, rather than dealing with their client in a fair manner, and rather than giving their client time to make a reasonable reply, instead cut them off, period.

          I think there's plenty of blame to go around. Pearson was partially at fault by not considering fair use before issuing the takedown (especially since "multiple copies for classroom use" are explicitly mentioned as a fair use).

          Still, regardless of whether Pearson's takedown was legit or not, the actions of ServerBeach are certainly outside of the realm of reason, and certainly were not required by any law. They unquestionably deserve the lion's share of blame for this situation. On that we agree.

          It's interesting to me that if this action was undertaken or required by the government, then it would certainly be considered a violation of the First Amendment. Yet many people justify similar actions by the government (e.g. the ICE seizures) without thinking that it involves the First Amendment at all. Many copyright maximalists have advocated that this be standard operating procedure with whatever they think "pirate sites" happen to be at the moment.

          But that's not relevant to this particular story.

           

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 9:15am

    Doctor: It appears you have an ingrown toenail. I'm afraid the only course of action is amputation at the neck.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 9:53am

    DMCA causes more problems than piracy. But piracy hurts the big businesses, so.. let's screw the people. (sarcasm) Go USA. We love you! (end sarcasm)

     

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    David, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 10:02am

    Good thing YouTube left ServerBeach in 2007.

     

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    Viln (profile), Oct 15th, 2012 @ 11:02am

    Self-correcting....

    In the fantastical mythical world of reason, rationality, cause and effect..... what happens next is ServerBeach loses all of their clients who sub-host and a few of the others who have moral convictions, and see a very hurtful (potentially damaging) drop in revenue. And all the other hosting companies across the kingdom tread lightly and thoughtfully, fearing a similar fate.

    Meanwhile, in reality, the peasants go on gnawing on the crusty loaf of apathy... and an academic publishing company congratulates itself for not "losing" more money by helping to foster an appreciation for education in students that might one day result in the kinds of adults who might actually read and buy academic or educational books.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 11:33am

    so, they had somehting illegally on the site, failed to respond properly to it and the host did exactly what they say they will do???

    pearson did what was right and legal, the host did exactly what they told them they would do, sounds like the people themselves are to blame

    but don't let that detract you from screaming about the bad copyright man and how a publisher took down 1.5 million...blah blah

     

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      Rikuo (profile), Oct 15th, 2012 @ 12:02pm

      Re:

      "failed to respond properly to it and the host did exactly what they say they will do???"

      What part of "The notice sent to Edublogs had already been dealt with and the offending post REMOVED, but these steps still weren't enough. " do you not understand?

       

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        Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 12:58pm

        Re: Re:

        The lot of it, of course. Reading the whole article and understanding what it says gives darryl allergies and sadface everywhere.

         

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    Bob Huey, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 1:37pm

    It's free, isn't it?

     

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    Renee Marie Jones, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 2:28pm

    DMCA notices

    Thugs will be thugs. When you give companies the right to be paid for ONE HUNDRED YEARS for something they paid a pittance for, all you go id create greedy, rent-seeking, thugs.

     

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    Big Hempster, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 4:34pm

    Free Beck's Hopelessness Scale

    1) I look forward to the future with hope and enthusiasm

    2) I might as well give up because thereís nothing I can do to make things better for myself

    3) When things are going badly, I am helped by knowing that they canít stay that way for ever

    4) I canít imagine what my life would be like in ten years

    5) I have enough time to accomplish the things I most want to do

    6) In the future I expect to succeed in what concerns me most

    7) My future seems dark to me

    8) I happen to be particularly lucky and I expect to get more of the good things in life than the average person


    9) I just donít get the breaks, and thereís no reason to believe that I will in the future

    10) My past experiences have prepared me well for my future

    11) All I can see ahead of me is unpleasantness rather than pleasantness

    12) I donít expect to get what I really want

    13) When I look ahead to the future I expect I will be happier than I am now
    TRUE/FALSE?

    14) Things just wonít work out the way I want them to

    15) I have great faith in the future

    16) I never get what I want, so itís foolish to want anything

    17) It is very unlikely that I will get any real satisfaction in the future

    18) The future seems vague and uncertain to me

    19) I can look forward to more good times than bad times

    20) Thereís no use in really trying to get something I want because I probably wonít get it

     

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    Paul, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 7:43pm

    Pearson's GREED

    I wonder how much of the national student loan debt is due to students having to buy unneeded new versions of their textbooks released every few years. I hope they choke on every penny.

     

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    lolzzzzz, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 7:55pm

    ok NOW you all know how to do it

    fuck dossing websites DMCA them!!!!

     

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    lolzzzzz, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 7:58pm

    @115

    or andromeda sci fi
    or LExx Sci fi
    OR stargate SG1 sci fi
    or ....
    farscape

    or ...ya i guess we dont need america no more.....they say your so expensive to do business with people will make movies and tv anywhere but america, what little is made is what?

    Survivor
    pawn shop crap
    game shows
    gee can we have more of this?

     

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    Someone, Oct 15th, 2012 @ 10:18pm

    What constitutes infringing content?

    Is this infringing?

    M'XL("`CF?%```W-U2YT>'0`;57+;MQ&$+SK*_H8`8)C)4YLG0+96,.+
    M*(GAE9%S+]DD)TO.T/, 0PYL_(_X]?XFK9TB+&UN`(%([7=5573W[[P^%/_-+AU>W=[H(N?G@IU>F*KF^>/[O$ZWUG`GU($J)QUK+Q
    M0I 6SP808R#7$U.-1G^(D-LX4(D$+WMA8.0%ZXI=K+YD"KVTJ2^G\E9
    MH6/^\P1\^^;\)-42*F^.$FAVR1/':&*JA1KG\\F1P 3^)H&=CJS[5QK8471*'/'_^[AUY"`1ZC3X(W=/"#;8-P.M'@'RD("SZC@!),":Z
    M(E6XZB@`46R51=V_>[_[\?7MW6' W&]ZN+VE/O7,GY9G8UUJHG30I*LQD8D>=
    M&X78`LS&+@7#84`I7?RDQ8-xNT@>
    M]*=B2[53LH% \/>@P?!53%*#Y+'N8@?9-I?KZDOSNQZR$,BUJG4$>N>SB[)QZH
    MDWZ46H=WLF[*OGT-&C9H!RW-PCYD@%\4H& amp;.H%^M2VU$T0YX"5Y4;1B2SR[XN(N";
    MTZPP1HU#M+Z:9:>%U`;]T;S'LI$1B]0">O@5$YI"=A9/1;A%I_D
    M$*A UQ)VN#Q2C",N8[*@+AGE9"8$\:[M%]?:#`I878]5Z[N-49$"?WC>+#R@S#-=%Z^>SP2LVBK)]%#B:T'"EWP;?Z^F%"I?S= 7C@-I6[+.GV
    M1#9VLQW7-\LU\,V5F.-?,ZSW'^"7440=;[,%NQ7IA[I-4=^:CAV"R+T?7^`CN90/8M!P``
    `

    What about when you put "begin 644 survey.txt.gz" at the start and "end" at the end?

     

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    Sigh, Oct 16th, 2012 @ 12:02am

    Thanks, too bad, we need a cash pool

    As always, thanks for the clear explanation of events.

    Too bad.

    What we need is a cash pool from which to draw funds to set up hosting providers with saner DCMA takedown response policies - and, the deep pockets to make them stick in the face of the publishing giants and the short-sighted hosting providers.

    Is such a thing kickstartable?

    Sigh

     

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    James Smith, Oct 16th, 2012 @ 3:21am

    f^&ck publishers, get millions of ebooks for free at http://legalreads.com

     

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    Me, Oct 16th, 2012 @ 6:14am

    Abolish them

    Copyright should be 1-3 years.
    Patents should be abolished.
    Let us not create scarcity. Let us create improvement for all.

     

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    Brian, Oct 16th, 2012 @ 8:16am

    Unless the teacher posted it for the world to access, it was probably fair use.

    "One of several problems in copyright law is the fact that what appears to be fair use to the layman is usually illegal."

    This is the sort of sentence that makes people afraid to act for fear of litigation, and doesn't really hold up. Here's fair use summed up in a pop song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tWhKeb-fUQ

    In the context of education, a teacher can copy/distribute anything s/he acquired legally, and it constitutes fair use (provided it's for a lesson--it's contextual). The only thing the teacher could have done that might have made it a copyright infringement is if s/he made it available to the world at large.

     

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      nasch (profile), Oct 16th, 2012 @ 9:08am

      Re: Unless the teacher posted it for the world to access, it was probably fair use.


      In the context of education, a teacher can copy/distribute anything s/he acquired legally, and it constitutes fair use (provided it's for a lesson--it's contextual).


      That doesn't mean he can't be sued for hundreds of thousands of dollars for it though. Sure, the fair use defense would probably hold up in court, but where does that leave the teacher? Unless it's a law professor, in a huge hole.

       

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    Michael, Oct 16th, 2012 @ 12:09pm

    Pearson and ServerBeach

    How about the 1.5 million bloggers who have had their service interrupted sue Pearson and ServerBeach for the damages they have sustained in being wrongfully denied access to their blogs and for being deprived of their rightful means of distribution.

     

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    Jamie, Oct 17th, 2012 @ 8:51am

    ServerBeach could have worked better with the site, but taking their servers offline is the standard policy of any hosting company. If ServerBeach attempted to go in and remove the offending material only, then they would open themselves up to liability. We are talking about a site powered by a CMS, which means you either need an admin account on that site to delete the content or have to go in and delete the item from the database, and hope you know the software well enough to get rid of everything.

    Their actions were appropriate, just the limited amount of time to comply is in question.

     

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    Richard Karpinski, Oct 20th, 2012 @ 9:28am

    Root Causes of this DMCA are ...

    As Gandhi said of Western Civilization, I repeat about American Democracy: That would be a good idea. We have arranged that our elected officials have a built in conflict of interest between their voters interests and those of their funders. This has led to extensions of copyright that have little to do with the purpose of copyright in the first place. That this stupidity leads to further stupidity in the application of unjustifiable legislation is not very surprising to me.

    Would you like to fix this problem? Then strike at the root and thereby address a very large host of problems of this nation in the modern era. Informed rational action can, occasionally, have widely beneficial effects.

     

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    jaspreet, Nov 17th, 2012 @ 11:22pm

    waxing ny and waxing nyc,body waxing nyc
    This has been very helpful.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 4th, 2013 @ 12:51am

    Go..

     

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"The funny part is in all of this that this is not Pearson Publishing's Fault. Rather, it's a hosting company who has arbitrary rules regarding how they handle DMCA complaints, which go far and beyond what is required by law."

Actually, no. It is partially Pearson Publishing's faul, as well as other copyright holders like them.

Were they not so tempermental and seemingly vindictive, such a thing wouldn't have happened. Now you might say but how is it their fault? Simple. They intimidate others to the point of complete and total fear of any possible repercussions should they not immediately act on a DMCA notice, up to and including "far and beyond what is required by law".

An interesting point as well. Google through YouTube actively takes down infringing material when notified, as well as has created the ContentID system (on their own dime) to pro-actively allow for the removal of unauthorized content, as well as monetizing any/all content (that isn't taken down). And that STILL isn't enough for the copyright holders.

Despite not being required to even comply with the DMCA, Megaupload did so. And look at them.

I could list countless other examples where companies are going above and beyond what is required by the law and where corporations like Pearson Publishing are still calling for their heads because "they aren't doing enough" (despite doing all required by the law).

So yeah, don't play that card. Some will never be happy. Copyright holders being first in that line of never being pleased.

And that's overlooking the important fact that everything they push for and demand they want others to foot the bill for.
—Anonymous Coward

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