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by Mike Masnick

Fri, Jul 20th 2012 2:31pm




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Here's The Proposal The FCC Says Doesn't Exist To Move Network Diagnostics To Proprietary Servers

from the oh-look-at-that dept

We recently wrote about some concerns by Vint Cerf and others that the FCC was considering a proposal to move some of their network diagnostics efforts -- which are a really good thing -- from the open M-Labs solution to proprietary servers run by the telcos. As we noted, the telcos denied that this was happening -- and Henning Schulzrinne, the CTO of the FCC, showed up in our comments to strongly deny that such a proposal existed.
Yesterday, Vint Cerf distributed an open letter regarding concerns about the Measuring Broadband America measurement infrastructure. We share the objectives of the letter writers that “Open data and an independent, transparent measurement framework must be the cornerstones of any scientifically credible broadband Internet access measurement program.” Unfortunately, the letter claims: “Specifically, that the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) is considering a proposal to replace the Measurement Lab server infrastructure with closed infrastructure, run by the participating Internet service providers (ISPs) whose own speeds are being measured.” This is false.

The FCC is not considering replacing the Measurement Labs infrastructure. As part of a consensus-based discussion in the Measurement Collaborative, a group of public interest, research and ISP representatives, we have discussed how to enhance the existing measurement infrastructure to ensure the validity of the measurement data. Any such enhancements would be implemented solely to provide additional resiliency for the measurement infrastructure, not to replace existing infrastructure. Any data gathered would be subject to the same standards of data access and openness.
It turns out his claim that "this is false" is... well... false. Attached below, we have the proposal that supposedly doesn't exist.
To be fair, this is just a proposal, and the FCC need not accept it. But to claim that there is no proposal to replace M-Labs infrastructure seems to be false. Also, the proposal certainly doesn't wipe out M-Labs servers, but it does clearly allow for the substitution of "ANOther server" in place of the M-Labs offering, as well as increasing the role for the telcos own servers. Given how the telcos have generally acted towards open information and data sharing concerning network data, you can see why supporters of M-Labs would be quite reasonably concerned. In fact, the relationship between everyone involved in these kinds of measurements appears to have gone through some rocky periods over the last few years, such that supporters of M-Lab are reasonably worried that there's a concerted effort to gradually move them out of the process.


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    Red, Jul 20th, 2012 @ 3:06pm

    Lets see if we get another visit to the comments section from yesterdays contributor...

     

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    Mason Wheeler (profile), Jul 20th, 2012 @ 3:12pm

    Interesting...

    One thing that's notably missing from this article is a source. Where did you get this proposal from?

     

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    DCX2, Jul 20th, 2012 @ 3:17pm

    Paradox

    THIS. SENTENCE. IS. FALSE.

    don'tthinkaboutitdon'tthinkaboutitdon'tthinkaboutit.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 20th, 2012 @ 3:29pm

    Re: Paradox

    I just go with it can't be true or false because the sentence is nonsense.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 20th, 2012 @ 3:29pm

    Re: Interesting...

    apt-get shitty-proposal-src

     

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    art guerrilla (profile), Jul 20th, 2012 @ 3:32pm

    my point still obtains...

    ...*whatever* laws, rules, regs, guidelines, etc there are, without the oversight, without the authority, without the the resources, and without the will to enforce said laws, the 'law' becomes worse than meaningless: an appearance of lawfulness where there is none...

    when 'laws' are enforced with extreme prejudice against the 99%, and all but unenforced against the 1%, that is called injustice and oppression...

    power does not devolve voluntarily, kampers...

    art guerrilla
    aka ann archy
    eof

     

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    william (profile), Jul 20th, 2012 @ 3:38pm

    Re:

    Queue the crickets.

    3...2...1...

     

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    ArkahnX (profile), Jul 20th, 2012 @ 3:45pm

    True

    Uh..."TRUE". I'll go "true". Huh, that was easy. I'll be honest, I might have heard that one before, though; sort of cheating.

     

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    DCX2, Jul 20th, 2012 @ 3:52pm

    Re: True

    It's a paradox! There is no answer! Look! This place is going to blow up if I don't get back in my body!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 20th, 2012 @ 3:55pm

    Re: Re: True

    I was having so much naughty fun with your body, gonna be awkward when you get back.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 20th, 2012 @ 3:57pm

    Re: my point still obtains...

    Oh your one of those smelly OWS hippies.

    GO TAKE A BATH STINKBOMB

     

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    Pwdrskir (profile), Jul 20th, 2012 @ 5:41pm

    Stolen Authority

    The FCC’s authority over the Internet is made up (by them) and should not be allowed to endure. The FCC appointed pinheads are accountable to no group of voters and should be forced to follow the previous federal court’s decision calling into question the FCC's authority for any regulation of the Internet.
    http://news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-20004313-266.html

    Congress, our elected officials who are “accountable” ;-) to the voters (see SOPA), are the de facto trustees of the Internet since it is WE THE PEOPLE’s Internet. I want to be able to call my Congressional offices and hold THEM accountable, I can’t do that with the FCC.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 20th, 2012 @ 5:59pm

    Open M-labs is proprietary !!!!.. as usual Masnick, your a fuckup.. LOL

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 20th, 2012 @ 6:40pm

    Not

    Proprietary – branded, trademarked, registered
    MLabs

    Proprietary – privately-owned, privately-operated
    Not MLabs

    http://www.measurementlab.net/fr/news/2012/mar/28/m-lab-google-summer-code-2012-mentoring-o rganization

     

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    ArkahnX (profile), Jul 20th, 2012 @ 7:42pm

    False

    Ah..."FALSE". I'll go "false".

     

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    M. Alan Thomas II (profile), Jul 21st, 2012 @ 1:28am

    Vint made a relatively absolute claim that I'm not sure is so absolute in the proposal. You're right that the proposal does seem to be designed to allow for the later back-door removal of M-Lab from the scheme (subject to replacement by another "research platform," which is not defined in the document but does seem to be inherently opposed to ISP ownership), but it doesn't require that. It does say that "The above approach will allow us to use 'on-net' results in the future as our primary data source for reports"; however, it also states fairly clearly that the off-net data (including research platforms) must keep being used in case the ISP's internal numbers are off, in which case the ISP's internal numbers can be discarded. I'm afraid that I have to side with Henning Schulzrinne in rejecting any reading of the proposal as absolutely replacing M-Lab.

    Oh, and SamKnows wants sudo rights on every ISP-owned test server so they can check why the ISP's suddenly giving them bad data. I like that idea.

     

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    mirradric, Jul 22nd, 2012 @ 11:53pm

    Re: Re: Interesting...

    apt-get source shitty-proposal

     

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    Baceaven (profile), Sep 14th, 2012 @ 11:18pm

    Where can i get the source of this information, very interested

     

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