Novell's WordPerfect Antitrust Lawsuit Against Microsoft Over Windows 95 Dismissed (Yes, This Is A 2012 Post)

from the justice-is-slow dept

Last year we noted just how odd it was that a Novell antitrust lawsuit against Microsoft over Windows 95 was still going on, but it really was. However, it may finally be over. After the jury deadlocked in December, the court has dismissed the lawsuit, claiming that Novell failed to show sufficient evidence of antitrust violations by Microsoft. But have no fear, fans of 20 years ago: Novell has promised to appeal. All I can say to that is, wait, Novell still exists?


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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 17th, 2012 @ 3:54pm

    Which begs the question, why isn't Windows 95 in the public domain by now?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 17th, 2012 @ 3:55pm

    What makes this funny is that there are conspiracy nuts that think Novell is in bed with Microsoft to do vague evil things angainst gnu/linux.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 17th, 2012 @ 3:57pm

    Re:

    Also, they're known in the linux world by the way of the mono C# runtime, aka the instriment of the devil.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 17th, 2012 @ 4:00pm

    Re:

    Because it was released in 1994?

    Wait a hundred years or so and maybe you'll see it in the public domain (bonus points if you actually get your hands on the code at that time!)

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 17th, 2012 @ 4:17pm

    Wait, wait, wait, who is Novell?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 17th, 2012 @ 4:22pm

    Re:

    If you've ever used mono runtime or opensuse, you've used novell things.

    If you only care about windows then you probably wouldn't know, but if you use linux....

    ....

    ...you likely still wouldn't know :P

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 17th, 2012 @ 4:45pm

    Because Tomorrow is Another Day

    Novell's dead-icated team comprised of Charles Carreon, Steven Gibson and Evan Stone plan to soldier on until final victory is theirs -- sometime in mid-century.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 17th, 2012 @ 4:51pm

    Re: Because Tomorrow is Another Day

    Mid century of which century?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 17th, 2012 @ 4:57pm

    Re: Re: Because Tomorrow is Another Day

    Doesn't matter, Victory is the goal. Screw the costs

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 17th, 2012 @ 5:03pm

    Re: Re: Re: Because Tomorrow is Another Day

    Screw the money I have rules!

    ...wait, let me try that again

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 17th, 2012 @ 5:22pm

    One thing the article failed to mention is that the previous hung jury was split 11-1 against Microsoft. Also, the judge in this case has behaved in a pattern indicating possible Microsoft bias from the start of this trial.

    Finally, Novell will appeal this, and this is the second time this judge has tried to dismiss this lawsuit. The judge got overruled on appeal the first time.

     

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    kitsune361, Jul 17th, 2012 @ 5:27pm

    I'm sure there's a reasoning here...

    ... about why you don't hear much about Novell NetWare these days and most of business IT uses Active Directory.

     

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    TtfnJohn (profile), Jul 17th, 2012 @ 5:45pm

    Re: Re:

    No, everyone has kissed and made up now since MS put their C# stuff in an open source license that's actually recognized by everyone but the GNU extremists who insist on calling Linux GNU-Linux or some such nonsense.

    As GNU hasn't got their kernel a quarter done yet I don't think they're in any position to lay any claim on Linux as possibly being theirs. Just as Linus Torvalds who is heartily sick of it. And as he's the owner of the Linux trade mark he's sent off the manditory letter to GNU to ask them to stop it to protect the mark but hasn't gone flying into the courts.

    Maybe because he isn't an American and sees a pot of gold at the other end of the lawsuit rainbow. :)

     

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    TtfnJohn (profile), Jul 17th, 2012 @ 5:46pm

    Re:

    These days they're better known as SUSE. You know, the Linux distro. Good one too, for the most part.

     

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    Mr. Applegate, Jul 17th, 2012 @ 5:51pm

    Re: I'm sure there's a reasoning here...

    The firm I work for still uses Novell, eDirectory (which was around before AD and is more versatile), Groupwise (in place of Exchnage (which is much less expensive and more stable). Novell is now runs on linux.

    True, Novell doesn't have market share and is on the decline, due to many bad decisions, but they still have a decent product line and are much less expensive than Microsoft software.

     

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    TtfnJohn (profile), Jul 17th, 2012 @ 5:59pm

    Re: Because Tomorrow is Another Day

    Let's not get too snarky here. In the early days of the all the lawsuits flying about in the SCO stupidity it was Novell who stood pretty much alone until IBM decided to join in, or SCO got stupid enough to add IBM to the endless list of Linux users, producers they'd got.

    You might just want to look a the history of all of this and better analysis than I, or most, could give you have a look here.

    http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20120716144156998

    PJ isn't often wrong about the things surrounding cases even if her predictions aren't 100%. They're somewhere in the 80% range which is a whole lot better than either you or I could do.

    Unless, of course, you're a SCO/Microsoft fanboi and you're still as mad as Microsoft is that their attack dog SCO spent all that money of theirs and still managed to lose. And lose badly at that.

    At a guess, I'd say Novell will probably do very well on appeal. As they should.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 17th, 2012 @ 6:00pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    But they're not trying to claim linux is theirs, if they were they'd ask us to call it gnu/stallmanux.


    The name thing is to get people interested in the philosophy behind the creation of gnu more than an ego thing. Though Stallman could be less of a dick about it.

     

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    abc gum, Jul 17th, 2012 @ 6:14pm

    Re: Re: Because Tomorrow is Another Day

    Why is Darl McBride not in jail?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 17th, 2012 @ 6:19pm

    Re: Re: Because Tomorrow is Another Day

    In the early days of the all the lawsuits flying about in the SCO stupidity it was Novell who stood pretty much alone until IBM decided to join in


    That's a bit revisionist. The SCO Group filed its lawsuit against IBM (originally in Utah state court) in March 2003.

    The SCO Group later filed its lawsuit against Novell in January 2004.

    You know where to look to find the original court filings.

    Now if you want to talk about the behind-the-scenes stuff that went on in fall 2002. That is, the stuff we didn't find out until it came out court later... well, The SCO Group (actually still Caldera at that point), their CEO, Mr McBride originally wanted Novell to help them out with their IBM shakedown. Novell resisted.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 17th, 2012 @ 6:33pm

    Certs

    Guess I'll hang on to my CNE Certificate after all.

     

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    TtfnJohn (profile), Jul 17th, 2012 @ 8:00pm

    Re: Re: I'm sure there's a reasoning here...

    One dirty little secret is that a lot of companies who can't or don't trust MS servers (a good thing to do for a number of reasons). If they're backroom is run and controlled on Linux servers they have native tools that can read and write Active Directory so that Windows servers further down the server food chain simply accept is as active directory.

    As you say Netware runs natively on Linux as well so the dirty little secret which isn't so secret, is that Windows servers down the line just accept that what they're getting is coming from Exchange, a major dogs breakfast, or from Active Directory or what.

    The end users can't tell the difference either.

     

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    velox (profile), Jul 17th, 2012 @ 8:05pm

    Re: I'm sure there's a reasoning here...

    Let's not overlook that this lawsuit is about Wordperfect, not NetWare.
    For those who are unfamiliar, here is a little history: The lawsuit pertains to the fact that Microsoft made last second changes to Windows 95 just before its release. The consequence was a delay of months before Wordperfect was usable on Win95. Novell alleges this was an intentional strategy to dislodge Wordperfect from its perch as the number 1 selling word processor at the time. Microsoft of course claims there was no strategy involved, but rather the engineers coding Wordperfect were simply inept. In the aftermath of this disastrously slow transition of Wordperfect from DOS to Windows, Novell sold Wordperfect to Corel who has owned it ever since.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 17th, 2012 @ 8:19pm

    Re: Re:

    It'll be hard enough to get a copy of it now.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 17th, 2012 @ 8:20pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    (a legitimate copy that is)

    (cue some stupid retard shill finding a copy of it on some website, completely missing the point).

     

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    Rekrul, Jul 17th, 2012 @ 8:44pm

    Re:

    Which begs the question, why isn't Windows 95 in the public domain by now?

    Because to Microsoft, the thought of people using an older version of Windows is a bigger crime than pirating the latest version.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 17th, 2012 @ 10:06pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    thats not missing the point. That is the point.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 17th, 2012 @ 10:23pm

    Linux is the Kernel, the core, everything that surrounds the core is GNU.
    That's why it is more correctly called GNU/Linux.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 18th, 2012 @ 12:10am

    finally dismissed... really?

    Mike, the lawsuit might be "Late" but if you actually do follow the case, you would see a lot of the reasons why this should not be decided for Microsoft.

    The deadlocked Jury was deadlocked 11-1 in favor of Novell. That doesn't quite sound like a "victory" for Microsoft. And it wasn't even hung on the point whether Microsoft is guilty.

    This judges decision has also once before been overturned by an appeals court. The chances for an appeal going through are rightly good.

     

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    The eejit (profile), Jul 18th, 2012 @ 1:28am

    Re: Re: Re:

    GNU-Linux

    Why do I get tempted to call it GUN-ix, and get an image of the Bulletheads from Super Mario Bros.?

     

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    Danny (profile), Jul 18th, 2012 @ 3:27am

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    It sucks?

     

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    Danny (profile), Jul 18th, 2012 @ 3:32am

    Re:

    Novell Netware used to be king of the PC based servers before the NT server arrived.

     

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    Ninja (profile), Jul 18th, 2012 @ 4:12am

    Re:

    ReactOS. Not really public domain but almost there ;)

     

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    hmm (profile), Jul 18th, 2012 @ 4:34am

    Re: Re: Because Tomorrow is Another Day

    Then we'll all be forced to uninstall Office and use wordperfect and live happily ever after?

    Kinda pointless Novell winning anything when they're just a corpse reaching their skeletal fingers grasping from the soil of their grave, unwilling to pass onward....

     

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    ColinCowpat (profile), Jul 18th, 2012 @ 4:34am

    Amazing!

    Been following this on Groklaw. Pretty radical that the jury was 11:1 in favour of Novell, but then the judge decided to pass a verdict in Microsofts favour on the grounds of no case to answer. Quite a slur to the jury. Not surprised Novell have appealed...

     

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    Steve, Jul 18th, 2012 @ 5:13am

    Exist they do!

    They are the tossers whose software screws up all English public sector office networks.

     

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    Wally (profile), Jul 18th, 2012 @ 7:37am

    Re: Re: I'm sure there's a reasoning here...

    Microsoft made a sudden change in Windows 95 before its release to the public (say a potentially dangerous flaw), corrected it, and it caused Novell's WordPerfect to have a compatibility issue. All other software companies had absolutely no problem with this sudden change.

    Now, either WordPerfect had an exploit in it because of the old code, or they really did only block Novell's Word Perfect from Windows 95. Which of those sound more believable?

    Honestly I think it was Novell whining that the sudden change came along. Never mind whatever potentially fatal flaw that would have effected millions of consumers, Microsoft "did it on purpose".

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 18th, 2012 @ 8:46am

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    BULLET BILLS

     

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    Sad Mac, Jul 18th, 2012 @ 8:53am

    Re: finally dismissed... really?

    "The deadlocked Jury was deadlocked 11-1 in favor of Novell. That doesn't quite sound like a "victory" for Microsoft. And it wasn't even hung on the point whether Microsoft is guilty."

    Those are the reports given by Novell to the press. It was actually 12 to 1 in favor of Microsoft.

    Now let me explain why it's considdered a mis-trial: A jury decision in an antitrust situation in the US must be Unanimous. Even if it was what Novell told reporters (11-1) in their favor, there would still be a deadlock. Now since 3 days of deliberation has occurred (which is the MAXIMUM ammount of time for deliberation by law as the jury gets most of its information and facts from testimony), the judge has the right to make his own decision. This isn't a murder case so the judge can override the jury vote unless it is unanimous.

     

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    Dana Bostick (profile), Jul 18th, 2012 @ 10:48am

    Novel vs Microsoft case

    Must have been fun to be on THAT jury for the last 20 years.

     

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    Mark Gisleson (profile), Jul 18th, 2012 @ 11:10am

    What a farce

    Microsoft notoriously embedded code in Windows (and, for Mac users, in Word) that made your computer crash if you tried to use WordPerfect.

    I was running a resume service and, for conversion purposes, tried to install WordStar and WordPerfect on my computer numerous times. You could not launch those problems if MS Word was open. Period.

    For this alone Microsoft's corporate charter should have been pulled, yet all these years later they're still beating up their victim in court.

     

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    greatorder, Jul 18th, 2012 @ 12:28pm

    the look on my face was simply 'yerwha?'

     

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    Willifred, Nov 5th, 2012 @ 3:37am

    Re:

    Steve Ballmer, how have you been?

     

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