Anti-Piracy Song Pirated By Anti-Piracy Group; Collection Society Fined For Failing To Get Royalties

from the follow-that? dept

Well, this is confusing. A few months ago, we wrote about how a composer, Melchior Rietveldt, was in a weird situation in which the song he wrote for a Dutch anti-piracy effort was showing up on DVD anti-piracy ads -- even though his contract quite specifically limited the use of the work to a local film festival. When he discovered that his song was all over some top selling DVDs (including Harry Potter) he sought compensation, going to local music collection society Buma/Stemra, asking them to get the $1.3 million he believed he was owed. Buma/Stemra initially ignored him, and then there was a weird situation in which a Buma/Stemra board member tried to offer to "help" Rietveldt, with some questionable conditions attached, including getting a cut of the money owed.

Apparently, the latest in the case is that Buma/Stemra has now been told to pay Rietveldt €20,000 and attorneys' fees -- and to continue its efforts to get him the royalties actually owed. And yes, this seems a bit confusing. Remember, it was the anti-piracy group and the movie studios who appeared to violate his copyright (yes, on his anti-piracy song). Buma/Strema's job was supposed to be to collect the money. So how is it that they're now the ones being fined? It appears some of it becomes a contractual issue in which Buma/Strema promised to try to collect the fees owed, but apparently didn't do enough after it decided it would be too much work to actually track down those who used the song. The judge in the case noted that, at the very least, Buma/Strema had a duty to inform Rietveldt that it had given up after promising otherwise. Either way, the end result is that the collection society now owes Rietveldt more money and has to continue trying to collect even more. All over an anti-piracy song that was pirated by anti-piracy groups (mainly NVPI, who is apparently the parent group for the well-known anti-piracy organization BREIN).


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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 18th, 2012 @ 7:21am

    FPIC EAIL

     

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    silverscarcat (profile), Jul 18th, 2012 @ 7:24am

    So...

    Why are WE the pirates again?

     

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    Blatant Coward (profile), Jul 18th, 2012 @ 7:28am

    Buma/Stemra Statement:

    Nooooo, you have it all wrong, we don't pay artists, we are a COLLECTION society. If we paid artists, we'd be a PAYMENT society. You pirates have it all wrong.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 18th, 2012 @ 7:31am

    See? Collection societies are there to help artists!

     

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    Ben S (profile), Jul 18th, 2012 @ 7:35am

    Do we get to call these collections societies "freetard pirates" now?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 18th, 2012 @ 7:35am

    please correct me if i am wrong, but i believe this involved BREIN, the collection company in the EU. now, had this case been one whereby BREIN was going after an individual that probably didn't have 2 cents to scratch his arse with, they would have demanded a gazillion euros in fines and a prison sentence as a very minimum. so, how can they get away with just being told to cough up what they should have done all along and get a slap on the wrist for being naughty? the old double standards coming in or the 'we own the courts as well' syndrome?

     

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    Planespotter (profile), Jul 18th, 2012 @ 7:40am

    You couldn't make this stuff up!

     

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    Ninja (profile), Jul 18th, 2012 @ 7:46am

    Re:

    High court, low court?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 18th, 2012 @ 7:48am

    "Buma/Stemra board member Jochem Gerrits"

    "Gerrits later claimed he was speaking as director of his record company"

    Can you spell Conflict of Interest?

     

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    Vidiot (profile), Jul 18th, 2012 @ 7:50am

    Dream story

    "Well, this is confusing..."
    No, this is DELICIOUS! Irony upon irony, treachery, deceit, payoffs, screwing the artist... this story hits all the marks!

     

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    Ninja (profile), Jul 18th, 2012 @ 7:52am

    Re:

    You wouldn't steal a car!

    But seems they would pirate a song. ARRRRRRRRRRRRR WE FOUND FRIENDS WITHIN THE MAFIAA

     

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    Ninja (profile), Jul 18th, 2012 @ 7:53am

    Re:

    And it's an EAIL on top of an EAIL!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 18th, 2012 @ 7:58am

    Re:

    Yes you are granted permission, have at you.

     

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    Planespotter (profile), Jul 18th, 2012 @ 7:59am

    Re: Dream story

    I know... I got so excited I had to knock one out in the toilets!

     

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    The eejit (profile), Jul 18th, 2012 @ 7:59am

    Re:

    No, you could. But you'd at least expect it to be fiction.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 18th, 2012 @ 8:06am

    Re: Re:

    Read in dracula's voice from SoTN

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 18th, 2012 @ 8:07am

    Re:

    They must have suffered BREIN damage.

     

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    Karim, Jul 18th, 2012 @ 8:11am

    Where are the trolls?

    Come on guys, you have to have a good excuse for this one. I'm waiting...

     

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    Almost Anonymous (profile), Jul 18th, 2012 @ 8:19am

    Probably not fair but...

    Buma/Strema's job was supposed to be to collect the money. So how is it that they're now the ones being fined?

    A collection society being unfairly fined? I'm oddly o.k. with that.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 18th, 2012 @ 8:30am

    Re: So...

    Because they stuff money in the goverment's bra & panties.

     

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    RD, Jul 18th, 2012 @ 8:34am

    Re: Re:

    High court, low court for certain.

    Big Media Corporation = instant action, attention and payment.

    Lone Artist = Fuck you little people, it's too much trouble to bother with you

    Also, malfeasance on the part of Big Media is met with a shrug, a slap on the wrist, a minimal fine, and apologetic language like "Well, it was just an oversight/error" and MAYBE a push to actually correct the situation, WHEREAS sharing 12 songs with an unproved number of people is met with the Legal Hammer of Justice rammed up your ass to the tune of $2.5 million US dollars, incarceration, years of legal trials (and retrials and appeals for more punishment), Scarlet-Letter-Style public character assassination, and the financial ruin of the rest of your life.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 18th, 2012 @ 8:39am

    Re: Where are the trolls?

    My guess is that they had a simultaneous orgasm when the NZ judge recused himself from the Megaupload case, and they need some time to find clean pants and clean their keyboards.

     

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    Baldaur Regis (profile), Jul 18th, 2012 @ 8:43am

    I'm not a big fan of schadenfreude (malicious enjoyment derived from observing someone else's misfortune), but it seems so appropriate here.

    I'm hoping Buma/Stemra refuses to pay, compelling the courts to send out a...collection agency.

     

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    silverscarcat (profile), Jul 18th, 2012 @ 8:47am

    Re: Re: So...

    Our government is funded by strip clubs?

    ...

    DAMN! Sign me up!

     

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    DOlz, Jul 18th, 2012 @ 8:50am

    The irony ... it burns.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 18th, 2012 @ 8:52am

    See that is what you get when you don't use CC-by-SA LoL

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 18th, 2012 @ 9:10am

    Re:

    Read The Brothers Karamazov by Fyodor Dostoyevsky.

     

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    SAG, Jul 18th, 2012 @ 9:10am

    Re: Re:

    Where's the "UUGGGHHH!" button when you need one?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 18th, 2012 @ 9:17am

    Re:

    please correct me if i am wrong, but i believe this involved BREIN, the collection company in the EU. now, had this case been one whereby BREIN was going after an individual that probably didn't have 2 cents to scratch his arse with, they would have demanded a gazillion euros in fines and a prison sentence as a very minimum. so, how can they get away with just being told to cough up what they should have done all along and get a slap on the wrist for being naughty? the old double standards coming in or the 'we own the courts as well' syndrome?


    The fine is on the company that was supposed to collect the royalties, not a fine on the infringer. Not that the infringers in this case wouldn't get by with just a slap on the wrist, this is just a different case from your example.

     

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    Malibu Cusser (profile), Jul 18th, 2012 @ 9:20am

    Objection!

    That article should be taken out and shot.

     

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    Ed C., Jul 18th, 2012 @ 9:38am

    One way street

    I guess Melchior Rietveldt didn't read the fine print, that these music collection societies only exist to stuff the pockets of large publishers by siphoning money from of rest of society. It can't work the other way around, because the whole legalized racketeering scheme would implode.

     

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    Rikuo (profile), Jul 18th, 2012 @ 9:47am

    Come on bob/darryl/who-else, where are you? I double dog dare you to spin this into a copyright maximilist position, to explain why the collection societies are the greatest thing since sliced bread.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 18th, 2012 @ 10:25am

    Just goes to show how crazy copyright is getting.

     

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    DannyB (profile), Jul 18th, 2012 @ 10:30am

    Re: Re: Re: So...

    Actually I think strip clubs are funded by government.

    (At least in the DC area.)

     

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    Digitari, Jul 18th, 2012 @ 11:35am

    Re: Re: Re:

    ..but pirates.....

    ......for the children.......


    ................creation of jobs..............






    (this is Hard)

     

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    Digitari, Jul 18th, 2012 @ 11:36am

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    forgot.....



    ...........get off my LAWN!!!!!!!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 18th, 2012 @ 12:20pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: So...

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 18th, 2012 @ 1:30pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: So...

    "We'll call it republicunts!"

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 18th, 2012 @ 3:14pm

    Re:

    Simple they can pay it.

     

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    Cynyr (profile), Jul 18th, 2012 @ 4:29pm

    Re:

    too bad this isn't in the USA... I'd hope he'd push for the whole $250,000 per infringement as this would clearly be commercial scale infringement.

     

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    Chris, Jul 18th, 2012 @ 6:44pm

    Funny

    I stopped reading comics because anti-piracy news gets better and more comical everytime.

     

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    Chargone (profile), Jul 18th, 2012 @ 7:05pm

    Re: Re: Where are the trolls?

    wonder what they did when they then found out that his replacement was another judge who was just as much in favour of actually following the law and seeking justice rather than bending over for the USG and their corporate puppeteers?

     

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    Justin Olbrantz (Quantam), Jul 18th, 2012 @ 7:24pm

    A Helpful Reference

    How to distinguish an anti-piracy crusader from a member of the general public:

    Anti-piracy crusader:
    - Rails about how important copyright is and how evil copyright infringers are
    - Has no respect for copyright

    General public:
    - Has no respect for copyright

    I hope that helps.

     

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    athe, Jul 18th, 2012 @ 9:53pm

    Drinking game

    So, who drank every time you read the words "anti-piracy" in the article...

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 18th, 2012 @ 11:19pm

    Re: Re: Re: Where are the trolls?

    Shit their pants, then go and find clean ones?

    It's messy business, being a Techdirt troll.

     

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    TJR, Jul 19th, 2012 @ 8:57am

    Deep sigh

    (Deep sigh)

    Musicians tries to help educate that illeagally downloading music without paying for it is wrong and hurts the musician.

    EU Publishing Rights Organization screws the musician by not doing their job and collecting the money that is owed them

    People who think it's ok to illegally download music without paying for it, read this article and use it as a justification to keep on illeagally downloading music without compensating the musician.

    (Deep sigh)

     

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