Google Is To Pink Slime As Apples Are To Airplanes

from the they're-nothing-alike dept

Copyright maximalist operation "The Copyright Alliance," purveyors of ridiculous copyright propaganda, has really topped itself with a recent blog post. It is trying to compare Google to "pink slime." You know pink slime -- the stuff that got all sorts of attention a few months ago as being a somewhat disgusting looking output of excess beef products all mashed up together and then reused in other foodstuffs. What does one have to do with the other? Well, according to the absolute geniuses at The Copyright Alliance:
Among the reasons I believe companies like Google are so hostile not only to copyright but to other regulations, is that their revenue and aspirations are anathema to distinguishing value (prime meat) from muck (MSM). To the contrary, their business models are literally based on grinding up all content into a homogenous slurry in order to turn billions of clicks into billions of dollars. To companies like Google, torrent sites, and many aggregators, everything goes into the big, digital grinder — a John Irving novel, some bits of junk journalism, a few stupid cat videos, Lawrence of Arabia, several thousand mail-order brides, a hard-news report from Central Africa, trafficked children, an episode of Downton Abbey, counterfeit pharmaceuticals, The White Album, years of scientific research, and of course several jiggling pounds of college chicks shaking their booties at webcams. It’s all just ones and zeroes, right? It’s digital pink slime.
I've now read this paragraph a dozen times. And my only conclusion is the person who wrote it has never used Google or, perhaps, any search engine. Because it gets the story exactly, 100%, completely backwards. It's not reality. It's the opposite of reality. Up is down, black is white, day is night kind of backwards.

The whole point of any search engine is to distinguish the value from the muck. The reason Google became such a huge phenomenon when it first came out (long after people had declared the search engine wars "dead") was that Google did a much better job finding what you wanted. How does it do that? By properly finding the value and surfacing it at the top while pushing down the muck. A search engine that doesn't distinguish the value from the muck is no search engine at all. It's a random website generator.

Search engines care deeply about finding the best value. Hell, just a week or so ago, Google explained how it had made 39 changes to its search in May alone, with the goal of helping people better find value out of muck. There may be all sorts of reasons to dislike or distrust Google. The company is very big, and has lots of info on you, which raises plenty of privacy concerns. But to claim that it wants to homogenize all content and that it's against their best interest to distinguish value from muck makes zero sense. If it were true, we'd immediately see tons of other search engines and do the exact opposite: provide more value and take over the market (just like Google did a decade ago).

I'm all for discussions about copyright issues, but can we at least keep them in the realm of reality, rather than fantasyland?


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    Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 5:10am

    How dare he attack American Innovation....
    The most creative thing to come out of America is pink slime.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 5:11am

    Oh, they hired Bob to do their writing.

     

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    Digitari, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 5:16am

    Well I have to sorta agree with them, if you use google to look up The Copyright Alliance, or the RIAA or the MPAA you can find them, so at least the slime part is correct.

     

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    PaulT (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 5:22am

    Yay, in before bob and his conspiracies! Anyway;

    "To companies like Google, torrent sites, and many aggregators, everything goes into the big, digital grinder"

    Well, no shit. If I'm looking for new reports, I don't want cat videos. If I'm looking for cat videos, I don't want scientific research reports. If I'm looking for scientific research, I don't want naked college chicks (well, maybe!). Everything goes into that "grinder" so that it can be separated out into relevant results. How else is Google meant to suggest relevant sites if it doesn't?

    To use the silly grinder analogy, what this person seems to be suggesting is that we could have a better cup of coffee if only Google would stop grinding the beans and we used whole ones instead. How silly can you get?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 5:26am

    The spirit of that paragraph applies to the people that the Copyright Alliance represent. To wit, create the cheapest product which people will consume in large numbers.

     

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    abc gum, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 5:44am

    "their business models are literally based on grinding up all content into a homogenous slurry"

    This person clearly knows little about the topic - OR - is full of pink slime.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 5:47am

    Ohhhhh!

    I honestly thought "pink slime" was referring to the stuff in Ghostbusters 2 - you know, the stuff that made the toaster dance?
    It was a more logically thing to compare Google to at any rate.

     

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    Killer_Tofu (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 5:48am

    They almost had me

    Their argument seemed entirely convincing until they said:

    a few stupid cat videos

    Now I can never trust them again. What a sad day.

    Oh wait, I never trusted anything they said to begin with.
    On the other hand they also said:

    and of course several jiggling pounds of college chicks shaking their booties at webcams

    Sounds like they are finally spending some time on the internet!!!! Welcome to the interwebs "The Copyright Alliance"! From the sound of that last bit there you are going to enjoy it just as much as the rest of us. =D

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 5:51am

    Please, nobody tell these people about the library file system. There's just not enough pearls in the world for the heavy duty clutching such knowledge would drive them to.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 5:52am

    Let's slightly re-phrase most of what Techdirt has been saying for quite a while...

    "Value" is an interesting term here. What the consumer wants (what the consumer assigns value to) is not always what the media companies want it to be (what is valuable according to the RIAA/MPAA/Copyright Alliance). The copyright battle we've been seeing is a failure to agree to complete a transaction; what the media companies want to sell is not the product the consumers want to buy.

    Back to the article. Google doesn't magically direct customers to the product you want to sell. It directs people to the product they want. It was never intended to correct people's wants.

     

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    Dark Helmet (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 5:57am

    Re: They almost had me

    Yeah, reading the piece, it essentially said, "Don't go to Google! It has all the stuff you know you want like college chicks shaking their ass and funny cat videos, AND it has all the stuff you might want but didn't know it because before search engines and the interwebz there wasn't an easy place to find it! So...avoid...at...all...costs....holy shit, is that girl shooting ping pong balls out of her va-jay-jay!?!?!"

    It's the interesting pedestal a good search engine sits on where it's detractor's arguments for their evil are also the search engine's best advertisements....

     

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    Colin, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 5:58am

    And grocery stores, am I right?! Just one giant physical grinder! The meats, the veggies, the snack foods, the sodas, the TV dinners. What am I supposed to do, have everything in one convenient place and sort it out based on my needs while ignoring the things I'm not interested in? Good one, Big Grocery. We're onto you.

     

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    PaulT (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 6:04am

    Re: Ohhhhh!

    A stream of relatively neutral goop that causes good or bad things to happen depending on whether it absorbs good or bad feelings from the people on it?

    You could be on to something...

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 6:08am

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    +1 Internets to yo Sir. Well defined.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 6:10am

    those that matter power-wise are the ones that count and they are the ones that will believe this shit. i think it's such a shame that there are no such shit claims made that are in the opposite. perhaps then, those same powers that be, might listen to the people.
    i also have to wonder what sort of label is attached to what the entertainment and content industries do to the people of the world? is it right that everyone is branded a criminal over ones and zeros? is it right that everyone is now guilty unless able to afford and prove innocence? is it right that people should be jailed for sharing something with a friend or re-formatting a song? is it wrong to not be able to resell a previously owned item? what label is given to all this shit? 'c'est la vie'?

     

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    Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 6:14am

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    He really hasn't got a clue. #facepalm at his understanding.

    If, also I where "to use the silly grinder analogy" , I would say....
    The internet is like a trillion types of ground coffee mixed together.
    Google is the coffee filter. If you use the filter right, you can filter out all the unwanted flavours and be left with one, if you use the filter smartly, you can even filter out everything except the actual grain you want.

    BUT.... Are they really that stupid !
    Is this attempt a blatant Lie or truly, are they too thick to use Google ?
    No... does not matter.
    The Copyright Alliance have been awarded ZERO internet points.
    wtf....I think I just saw them throwing their own feces.

     

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    Cory of PC (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 6:14am

    Man, my head is hurting from slamming against a digital wall and desk from the amount of stupidity. If it weren't that that it's making me lose brain cells (or hitting said objects in real life), it's reading their explanation. It just makes you stupid reading how these people don't know anything about the Internet! Granted I don't have that much knowledge but at least I have the basics and I am learning some new stuff everyday. If these people do take the time out to actually research (shock!) the people using the Internet and the sites these people are using instead of relying on just one source of information, then we wouldn't have these stupid comments in the first place!

    But sadly it will never happen and the cycle will continue no matter how hard we try to knock some intelligence into these people. Until that day comes, I will search the Internet for the things they proclaimed and see if I can find some cat videos that aren't stupid.

     

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    Mega1987 (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 6:17am

    I wonder if the guy wrote that thing spends around a week or two, trying to find that little topic he's looking for in the world's biggest library that haven't updated it self for nearly a year or so?

    Or even worse, gone to country to country, trying to get that latest topic so he just can put it on his paper in the following day.

     

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    JackHerer (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 6:18am

    Different interests

    I think what the Copyright Alliance is getting confused between Google providing the user with results the user is looking for and Google providing the user with the results that a bunch of third parties would prefer. Google is in the business of serving up relevant results to users and that is exactly what it does. Providing results on keywords as determined by third parties is called advertising and if that is what the Copyright Alliance and it's members want then they can just buy Google adwords like everyone else.

     

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    TasMot (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 6:20am

    The TCA = High School Bullys

    What the TCA is really saying is that "THEY" want most of that content NOT found. How can they control "it" if anybody can find it. As some of the other commenters have mentioned, some people just love cat videos. Some people like to find out more about pink slime and how to avoid it (like anybody without a financial gain from it), BUT, if a search engine is available, you don't need TCA to point you in the right direction (for a fee). You don't need to buy a newspaper every day just to keep up on the pink slime controversy. Just "Google it" on the days that there is time to read up on it. Who is creating the next neat YouTube video. For a fee, TCA members want to be able to tell you about it.

    If one day, say yesterday, I became interested in micro-hydroelectric power generation, I could research it with Google. I didn't have to go out of my way to go somewhere else (where would I go to find information on that - oh year, the library, which they also don't like), only to decide that it was too much trouble and not do anything about it. Without organizations like TCA to control and charge for information, their cozy jobs of collecting money and giving "some" of it to the rights holders (if they could ever be found) would go away.

    At this point in time, you can see their true colors, just like a bully in school, they are not getting their way, so they bring out the name calling. Can you just hear the the jeer in their voice "Google, you are nothing but slime".

     

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    Josef Anvil (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 6:26am

    That took a while

    The blog post is written by David Newhoff who has been mentioned on TechDirt before.

    I had to reread his comment a few times before finding the flaw in his logic. His premise is that:

    "(Search engines)...their business models are literally based on grinding up all content into a homogenous slurry in order to turn billions of clicks into billions of dollars."

    So it would appear that he believes that search engines are responsible for populating the internet with content. Even if that were true, it wouldn't make his argument much less crazy than it is.

    He doesn't seem to understand that the search engines are what allow you to find what you are looking for in the pool of pink slime. His lack of understanding is best illustrated when he says:

    "The paradigm Google wants to foster is one that asserts that the booty-shakin’ college girl video has the same intrinsic value as the Emmy Award-winning TV show and that the value of either will only be determined by the number of hits each receives in cyberspace."

    If I search for a specific Emmy Award-winning TV show and I get a booty-shaking' college girl high in the result as well, then yes that would imply that they have the same intrinsic value.

    As much as I personally would like this to happen, it never does.

    Search engines assert that the result that best matches the query has the highest value, which is how search is supposed to work.

    According to David Newhoff's version of search, when I type in booty-shaking college girl, I should get some sort of high value artistic result from the search engine instead of what I actually asked for. If it worked like that then I guess it Google would be creating pink slime.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 6:28am

    Re:

    Having read the post and a couple of the other posts, all I can figure is that they think the public is stupid and unmindful of what they are being provided. i.e. Whatever Google provides is what the public will consume.

    That is profoundly insulting to the public at large. While I am not a fan of humanity at large, I do think most people do understand what they are searching for. i.e. If they are searching for cat videos, being offered stupid human tricks will be ignored by most in favor of more cat videos.

    In another woefully wrong post, the author states that having all information at your finger tips from the web is a waste for most people. They will spend too much time on Facebook and forget to shower was one example. Really?? Does he really think that the general public cannot recognize it's time to sleep, shower, etc??

    I must conclude that the author of these blog postings think 99% of the public are stupid sheep that will slurp up whatever is fed to them. No wonder they see no need to change anything, much less copyright.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 6:30am

    Re: Re:

    Also, I could not find the comment button, which I don't think is there at all.

    Why is it that these insulting bloggers never want feedback from the public? Oh wait, I think I understand now...

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 6:32am

    Pussycats and Boobs

    Apparently they don't like either.
    Could be a consequence of believing they're own BS.

    They probably go ballistic when they see a copycat.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 6:34am

    Re: Re:

    Yes, another +1, and thank you from all ACs everywhere for being an example of !bob, or in other words, "smart."

     

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    Cory of PC (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 6:36am

    Re: That took a while

    "The paradigm Google wants to foster is one that asserts that the booty-shakin’ college girl video has the same intrinsic value as the Emmy Award-winning TV show and that the value of either will only be determined by the number of hits each receives in cyberspace."

    And yet somehow, I would watch the booty-shaking college girl as opposed to the Emmy Award show. It all depends on what the show is and what it is about. If it matches my likes, then I will watch it. Otherwise, the guy's spouting nonsense. But we could dream we could get an Emmy-winning booty shaker, can we?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 6:43am

    Re: Re:

    I don't think it's that they're too thick to use Google, I think they just assume that Google==Internet.

    They want to use the internet, so they open their web browser. There is Google, asking what they want. They're too stupid to understand what Google is, and what it does.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 6:50am

    Re: Pussycats and Boobs

    Cat video?

     

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    Doug B (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 7:03am

    Feel free to tell David how you feel. His site actually has comments turned on for this post:

    http://davidnewhoff.com/2012/06/19/pink-slime-culture/

     

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    Simple Mind (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 7:15am

    one person's muck ...

    To a copyright maximalist torrents are pink slime. To the majority of people they are prime beef.

     

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    Pickle Monger (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 7:18am

    Diagnosis

    I've now read this paragraph a dozen times. And my only conclusion is the person who wrote it has never used Google[...]

    I've read that paragraph several times as well and my conclusion, considering how much sense he's making, is the person who wrote it is having a stroke.

     

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    xebikr (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 7:26am

    Re:

    They're probably more upset that Techdirt is on the first page of results when you search for "Copyright Alliance". Quick! Everyone do that search and click on the Techdirt link. Maybe we can get it higher on the page.

     

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    Jeff (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 7:34am

    Bob has a day job!

    Now we know where bob is employed! The (links) are falling into place.

    "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it" -- Upton Sinclair

     

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    ComputerAddict (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 7:34am

    Re: Re: Re:

    Simple Solution to this, Institute a new group policy on all senate / house computers to reset the default homepage of IE to www.bing.com & reset their default search engine to dogpile.com. That way they will have to search for google using someone else's search engine. (because lets me honest they dont know what the address bar is.)

    Now M$ is "Teh Interwebs" and everyone will go after Macro$uck

     

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    jupiterkansas (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 7:50am

    Re: Different interests

    It sounds more like they think Google providing the actual content.

     

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    Killer_Tofu (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 7:53am

    Re: Re: They almost had me

    It's the interesting pedestal a good search engine sits on where it's detractor's arguments for their evil are also the search engine's best advertisements....

    Like The Pirate Bay? *cough cough*

     

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    New Mexico Mark, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 8:01am

    News Flash from David Newhoff

    Alphabetizing, the Dewey Decimal System, and catalogs turn information into pink slime! By using these "tools", who knows what customers will find? Where will this madness called "libraries" end?

     

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    The eejit (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 8:05am

    Re: Re: Pussycats and Boobs

    No, a copycatgirl hentai linked on Youtube for all of a minute.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 8:07am

    Re:

    tick, tick, tick...

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 8:16am

    Wait wait wait....how many movie remakes have been produced in the last several years? There must be more meat left on all those movie bones to sell to consumers.

     

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    Lord Binky, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 8:17am

    Google sorts for what you typed in, if you typed in all that crap, well...that's your business, Google's business is giving the most useful results to your input. So WHY?! is he bitching about HIS search history? I'm really concerned about a few of them. Why is he searching for trifficked children and several thousand mail-order brides on the internet, presumably at work?

     

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    Marcel de Jong (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 8:26am

    Re:

    Beer companies are looking into ways of getting the vegetable aisle out of the store, as they need more room for their bottles, so that the rubes are more inclined to buy more beer instead of something healthy.

     

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    Marcel de Jong (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 8:28am

    Re: Re: Different interests

    That's actually worse than the people who believe that Facebook === the Internet.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 9:15am

    Honestly....

    I miss the days where sometimes Google WAS a pink slurry mess of results.

    For example, if I am looking to purchase something, I wish I could put it in "Purchase" mode. (aka recent Google)

    If I am looking for specific info for research, put it in research mode.

    If I just want to find "off the beaten path" stuff, I can put it in Google 1998 mode (actually, would prefer to put it in Altavista mode circa 1996....but you get what I mean.)

     

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    Anonymous Coward of Esteemed Trolling (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 9:26am

    Personal army request
    status :GRANTED


    1.) Google: "Copyright Alliance"
    2.) Click the TECHDIRT link
    3.) ??????
    4.) profit!


    You should make a poster, and post it everywhere.

     

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    technomage (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 9:31am

    Re: Re: Re: Pussycats and Boobs

    maybe not on youtube, but coincidentally I did find one on an IP website :)

    http://ipkitten.blogspot.com/2010/04/warning-kenzero-can-be-bad-for-your-er.html

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 9:39am

    Masnick shilling to be the Evil Empire's 'Employee of the Month' again.

     

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    Eponymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 10:57am

    The operative word in all this: Relevance. Google cares about what is relevant to their end user and wants to get as close to it as possible. Meanwhile the legacy media companies only care about what's relevant to them, their bottom line, and pushes what they want on their end user regardless if it's what they want or not.

     

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    TtfnJohn (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 11:17am

    Re: Re: Different interests

    They DO think Google is providing the content!
    Seriously.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 11:42am

    Re:

    Except the comments are being moderated, so really, none are getting through.

     

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    jupiterkansas (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 12:18pm

    Re: Re: Re: Different interests

    "Tell the messenger that from now on, it should only deliver good news."

    "Yes sire"

    Doesn't fix their problem.

     

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    Jim, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 12:19pm

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    What a well reasoned argument you have here. Do you have a website I can read?

     

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    JEDIDIAH, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 12:59pm

    ...and now for something completely different.

    It's worse than that.

    The Internet allows individuals to choose Fark, or Slashdot, or LOLCats, or even Techdirt over paid-for-content.

    It's not just that piracy is displacing paid media consumption. Random highly individualized forms of distraction are displacing media consumption entirely.

     

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    TtfnJohn (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 1:34pm

    I can understand where people come away with the idea that Newhoff and others haven't the faintest idea what Google does and how it does it. It certainly reads that way.

    It's not so much that he doesn't, I hope, but he has another point to make about what he sees as competing utopias with his being the correct one.

    This is where I think the schism between technologists and creators becomes ideological and sociological. The serious artist is offended to have his work ground into mouse fodder, valued identically with the garbage; and the consumer should be offended, too. The paradigm Google wants to foster is one that asserts that the booty-shakin’ college girl video has the same intrinsic value as the Emmy Award-winning TV show and that the value of either will only be determined by the number of hits each receives in cyberspace.


    Now that certain Emmy award winners do have the cultural impact of MSM isn't important to his argument either though he could have tried to come up with a parallel. Emmys, even more than Oscars, award shows with the largest audience for the major awards and quality, such as it is, is reserved for the lesser awards. In short the number of hits in "the real world". There are worse ways of doing things nor does it mean that the general populace is arts ignorant it reflects that evening television and audiences for most movies is looking for entertainment after a long day. They want to escape, thank you, and if the Emmy winner does that then it ought to be rewarded. To that extent its done what it needs to do. PBS sneaking the odd "I, Claudius" into the mix doesn't hurt either.

    The reality is that should I query a drug I was recently prescibed, Epival, I wouldn't expect to see a result for Newhoff's short "Gone Elvis" nor do I. The most relevant items are returned long before college girls shaking booty. I don't see that using the search term "Gone Elvis" either. In fact David Newhoff's short is the first item returned. No MSM that I can see there.

    If there is one related to the search term its too, too many pages into the results for me to bother looking for it.

    As a Canadian army veteran I'd be offended to see the two linked terms linked on the first page or two of the returns but it doesn't.

    One point about Newhoff's utopia's is his dismissal of programmers and tech types as creative or creators. There has been a lot of creativity put into programs such as Photoshop, video editors, operating systems and the desktops they display.

    In fact Newhoff's definition of artists worked with the creators of picture and video editors very closely to get what we have today.

    Equally the tech industry relies on copyright as much or, or more, than artists do even for "simple" things such as enforcing licensing terms. Even open source software is covered by copyright for exactly that purpose. I'd suggest Newhoff wade through the GPL license, for example.

    Techies are every bit as creative as sculptors, writers, painters, photographers and others and their work enters our culture indirectly but as profoundly as do the artist classifications I've just used. By and large, though, the tech industry understands that it is built on what came before and that copyright protects a single expression of an idea not the idea itself. I'm not sure Newhoff does, though I'll happily admit that I'm wrong if he says I am.

    I'm also not as fearful of the ability of the general populace to identify quality in the artistic realm when it encounters it. There may be differences on the leading edge, avant guarde end but by and large we're able to tell the difference between, say, "My Favorite Martian" and "I, Claudius".

    The dissonance between the tech world and Newhoff's is less than he wants us to believe or that he seems to believe. Not in the need for some form of copyright, even if it's not the corrupted version we have today. It's more in the understanding that the tech world has that sharing is vital to progress even if it's not line-by-line copying of code. Newhoff buys into the views of his patrons in the RIAA and MPAA that they must control who enters and what leaves the realms they "control". And that only they know who can enter or leave those realms. That only the gatekeepers have the faintest idea of what "art" is. It certainly isn't the general public.

    So he focus's his argument on that rather than on any merit that sites like Techdirt may have to their/own views and diverts it to a concern for art and culture.

    The thing is that the diversion is transparent and does nothing but point blame rather than seeking a way out of what his patrons see as a problem.

    David, I'm sorry to tell you this but recording and movie studios don't give a damn about culture they want what sells the most. Bums in seats. The same thing Shakespeare wanted when he ran the Globe Theatre. The same applies to book and magazine publishers. If there's a positive cultural result then fine. But that's not what they're in business for. That's not what they pay you for.

    Should you get bums in seats cranking out pink slime then you do that as far as they're concerned. It isn't why you went into the arts but that's what your patrons want and they, ultimately, are the ones signing your cheques. After we great unwashed in the general public pay them.

    As for piracy/infringement or whatever the discussion here has centred around the economics and market demand for certain things like singles, movies released quickly, and other things they paying public wants if they were given a chance to pay. Where there's demand there will be supply. Legal or not. See: War on Drugs/Alcohol Prohibition should you need further explanation. No amount of enforcement is going to change that, I'm sorry to say.

    More importantly the "content" industries need to start to understand that. And they need to stop our ability to do with our legal downloads what we would do with, say, a book. If it is, as you insist, property, then whether the property is in bits or bound and printed on paper we, as consumers, ought to be able to do the same things with them.

    Phased releases of movies have pretty much had their day. Is it going to take people who really want the same thing bashing their heads on each other before that stops?

    IF there's the dissonance you say there is, David Newhoff, that's where it is. What goes where and when. Not who should get paid. OF COURSE THE ARTIST OUGHT TO BE PAID if there are enough buyers. Economics, right?

    (Different arguments apply to pharmaceuticals and software than to the arts for importantly different reasons.)

    I'll end my "screed" by heartily recommending the short movie Gone Elvis to everyone who got this far. I don't like your opinions but, as a piece of work, this is great.
    Not just because you're offering it for free.
    http://goneelvis.com/view/

     

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    Chronno S. Trigger (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 2:36pm

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    Actually, since Google doesn't just count if you clicked on it, but if you keep going in the clicked on page, we would have to actually surf Techdirt for that to work.

    So, next time you want to reach Techdirt while simultaneously pissing off the Copyright Alliance, search for them and click on the Techdirt link.

     

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    John Fenderson (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 4:31pm

    Re: That took a while

    "The paradigm Google wants to foster is one that asserts that the booty-shakin’ college girl video has the same intrinsic value as the Emmy Award-winning TV show and that the value of either will only be determined by the number of hits each receives in cyberspace."


    This jumped out at me, too. He's wrong, of course. The booty-chakin' college girl video has a much higher intrinsic value than the average Emmy Award-winning TV show.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 28th, 2012 @ 1:29am

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    No, it's macrohard, why none get name right? ;_:

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 28th, 2012 @ 4:40pm

    I love how when anyone calls him out on this obviously being the opposite of what search actually does he backpedals furiously and claims it's really about 'Google the Company' and anyone that doesn't follow 'just doesn't understand the metaphor' even though he hasn't said what Google is actually doing that's tantamount to pink slime.

     

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