FBI Stops Yet Another (Yes Another) Of Its Own Terrorist Plots; This Time: Anarchists!

from the anarchists-running-amok dept

Following our post about the NY Times highlighting how the FBI seems to spend an awful lot of time foiling its own terrorist plots, some of our commenters pointed us to the news that the FBI has done it again (just in time to coincide with our story), arresting five individuals in a plot that appears to have been coordinated by the FBI itself. Even though some of the "anarchists" arrested expressed concerns about how resorting to violence would help, the FBI helped supply fake explosives and that appears to have convinced the group to move forward with its "plot." Prior to that, they seem to have had little actual ability to do much of anything, other than thumbing through The Anarchists' Cookbook and talking about what they'd like to do.


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    The Devil's Coachman (profile), May 2nd, 2012 @ 7:41am

    Well, the FBI needs to look like it does something

    And that got them in the newspapers as being an effective anti-terrorist organization, instead of a stooge for industry.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 2nd, 2012 @ 7:42am

    Re: Well, the FBI needs to look like it does something

    Stooge for what industry?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 2nd, 2012 @ 7:43am

    The government is just, like, so dumb! OMG! I wish everyone could be as smart and as perfect as Mike Masnick. He's my Pirate Hero! Yeah!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 2nd, 2012 @ 7:47am

    What mass psychosis?

    Look! Over there! Terrists! We made 'em an' we got 'em! Hekkuva job!! High fives!!

    Your tax dollars at work, America.

    Meanwhile, Hilary and the wall street money troll are in Beijing to beg for more money from The Evil CommiesŪ to keep paying off the Wall Street felons who are really killing the country.

    Can you say "laughing stock"?

    Mission accomplished, Osama.

     

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    Pixelation, May 2nd, 2012 @ 7:48am

    On the one hand, it is amazing the only plots they can foil are the ones they are involved in. On the other hand, maybe, just maybe someone will not get involved in a plot out of fear the FBI is involved.

     

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    Simon, May 2nd, 2012 @ 7:53am

    Re: Re: Well, the FBI needs to look like it does something

    The fake explosives industry.

     

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    justok (profile), May 2nd, 2012 @ 7:53am

    Re: Re: Well, the FBI needs to look like it does something

    More like what Ike talked about, the Military-Terrorism Complex

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 2nd, 2012 @ 7:55am

    This is the perfect industry for purpetual employment, create plots, foil plots, increase funding to foil more plots which they made. THIS IS A PONZI SCHEME. ha

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 2nd, 2012 @ 8:00am

    Foiling plots they have started. Before you know it, we'll be paying bankers to solve the problems they created!

     

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    Ed C., May 2nd, 2012 @ 8:01am

    Kids these days...

    Kids these days have no initiative! Back in the day, if they wanted to start a rockband, or an anarchist revolution, they didn't just sit around sulking in their mom's basement, waiting for someone in pressed suit to hand them a golden ticket.

     

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    Overcast (profile), May 2nd, 2012 @ 8:02am

    Maybe they too are busy with 'secret service' in the strip clubs and brothels, so this just makes it easier?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 2nd, 2012 @ 8:04am

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    I wish everyone could be as smart and as perfect as Mike Masnick.

    I wish some of our Anonymous Cowards would post comments that are actually coherent and have some sort of point.

    I guess you don't always get what you wish for. *sigh*

     

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    Ed C., May 2nd, 2012 @ 8:04am

    Re: Kids these days...

    [The above comment may contain sarcastic material, and, as such, may not be suitable for all IQs. Any failure to detect the presence of sarcastic material will require the recalibration or replacement of any requisite sarcasm detection device, or a exculpatory colon cleaning for those who do not possess such device.

    Safety notice of the Sarcasm Advisory Council]

     

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    :Lobo Santo (profile), May 2nd, 2012 @ 8:04am

    Re: Fonzi Scheme

    A Ponzi scheme requires investment, that means "buy in"

    One cannot buy into something in which they have no belief.

    The government is becoming so transparently pathetic in their attempts to assert control that even the 'normals' are beginning to recognize the farce for what it is.

     

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    MrWilson, May 2nd, 2012 @ 8:05am

    This is a reality show waiting to happen. Tonight, on The Terror Games, undercover special agent John Smith must convince terror suspect and dopey 14 year kid Joe Johnson to carry out that bombing plot that the FBI came up with in the previous episode.

     

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    Pixelation, May 2nd, 2012 @ 8:07am

    Re: Re: Fonzi Scheme

    Fonzi scheme?

    Aaaaaaay! /thumbsup/

     

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    johnny canada, May 2nd, 2012 @ 8:09am

    One day the FBI will not be able to stop one of their own plots. Then what?

    Like the ATF on the Mexican border

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 2nd, 2012 @ 8:09am

    It's like sprinkling cocaine. lol

     

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    :Lobo Santo (profile), May 2nd, 2012 @ 8:19am

    Re: Okie Doke

    Not a problem! The FBI learned their lesson with the Oklahoma City bombing and now take great care to never provide the "suspect" with actual explosives.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 2nd, 2012 @ 8:22am

    Re: Re:

    Well what do you expect? They are trying and failing at being a troll. Proper trolling takes time and must be learned. All trolls must start as Newbs at some point.

    Also to the OP, it is Yay! and not Yeah! If you are going to fake enthusiasm at the very least do it correctly.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 2nd, 2012 @ 8:22am

    Re: Re: Well, the FBI needs to look like it does something

    ISTI: Industrial Security Theatre Industry.

    As redundant as it is redundant.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 2nd, 2012 @ 8:27am

    Re: Re: Re: Fonzi Scheme

    Wakka Wakka Wakka

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 2nd, 2012 @ 8:28am

    Creating terror threats to justify the billion dollar war on terrorism, meanwhile you have families struggling to get by.

    Do Americans even know what common sense is?

     

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    Mike42 (profile), May 2nd, 2012 @ 8:33am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Fonzi Scheme

    No, that's the Fozzie scheme...

     

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    :Lobo Santo (profile), May 2nd, 2012 @ 8:35am

    Re: CoSen

    I hear Americans recognize 'Common Sense' when they see it, but cannot afford to keep any at home...

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 2nd, 2012 @ 8:38am

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    Of course we do. It is was Benjamin Fraklin invented, the $100 bill :D

    I would really like to tell you that the above is not true for the majority, but I have little faith in my country's people. In fact I doubt the majority would get the joke about that.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 2nd, 2012 @ 8:38am

    Nice way to discredit "OCCUPY"

    "During the course of the alleged plot, however, Baxter later expressed reservations, saying that blowing up a bridge "would not stop money flowing to the 'one percent,'" the complaint says."

    You can bet that photos of these "TERRORISTS" will be plastered all over as "THE FACE(S) OF THE OCCUPY MOVEMENT"

     

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    Berenerd (profile), May 2nd, 2012 @ 8:39am

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    Many do, sadly not enough to out vote the Corporations dollars.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 2nd, 2012 @ 8:40am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Fonzi Scheme

    Personally I would rather get my money taken by a Muppet. At least with a Muppet you know that is can not go to certain things.

     

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    andycapp, May 2nd, 2012 @ 8:42am

    Re: what a shame

    one of the many problems with this is that many people will not discuss there plans with anyone else and go it alone, thereby causing the FBI to have no way of tracking the real terrorists, as they did when there were real terrorist threats.
    One other major problem is that those people enticed into these plots will leave jail eventually much better informed on how to actually make a successful attack and feel more justified in doing so.
    There are many ways that these FBI planned attacks could cause more damage to the country, encouraging terrorists to be extra careful when planning and implementing attacks is just one of them.

     

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    BentFranklin (profile), May 2nd, 2012 @ 8:47am

    The way to stop this sort of thing is to honey pot the FBI. Make vague assertions on websites about your willingness to blow things up, wait for them to contact you, and document the hell out of it.

    It would make a good project for a patriot. Pretty risky, I won't be trying it, but if you document it well and have a good lawyer advising you, your defense should hold up.

     

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    :Lobo Santo (profile), May 2nd, 2012 @ 8:50am

    Re: Re: what a shame

    The current system is designed to keep ex-cons in a sort'of felon-loop-shuffle where they'll never actually be free of the system, regardless of having served their time.

    For the rest of their lives they will have no privacy, pay almost all their income to the government, and be forbidden from having rights. Just like normal citizens, except moreso and they aren't allowed to vote.

     

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    BentFranklin (profile), May 2nd, 2012 @ 8:54am

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    In general, whenever someone is over-reaching they are unbalanced, so there's always a way to trip them up.

     

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    DaveINnc, May 2nd, 2012 @ 9:01am

    C'mon people... really?

    If you actually read up on this, the FBI infiltrated the group, and after the occupy clowns came up with a plan (not to blow up the bridge, but something else) the "plant" stated that he could get them some C4... It was after that, that the occupy group came up with the idea to blow up the bridge. It wasn't like the FBI plant said... "Hey! Lets blow up this bridge!"

    Unlike others here, I believe the FBI did just fine in this instance.

     

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    Bruce, May 2nd, 2012 @ 9:02am

    So let me see, a group of men plot to blow up a bridge, the FBI gets wind of it at an October Occupy Protest and begins to investigate, decides to gauge their seriousness by providing fake explosives, they accept the FBI's gracious offer and continue their plot, planting the explosives on the bridge, drive several miles away and then enter what they thought were codes to detonate the explosives but nothing happens, then they are arrested later that day.

    And all of the geniuses on this site blame the FBI.

    Only in America!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 2nd, 2012 @ 9:06am

    I guess better off foiling their own created terrorists than out screwing prostitutes in other countries on the US taxpayer's dime.

     

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    Torg (profile), May 2nd, 2012 @ 9:08am

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    Unfortunately Americans don't decide where America's budget goes. The point where Congress listens to average citizens calling its bullshit is somewhere around half of DC standing in front of the capital building chanting about how stupid it's being.

     

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    Ruben, May 2nd, 2012 @ 9:09am

    Re: Re: Re: what a shame

    For the rest of their lives they will have no privacy, pay almost all their income to the government, and be forbidden from having rights. Just like normal citizens, except moreso and they aren't allowed to vote.


    Thereby creating a 'nothing-to-lose' scenario for the incarcerated.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 2nd, 2012 @ 9:11am

    i suppose that if anyone called the FBI out over these 'plots', they would want to know why they shouldn't be practicing ready for the real thing. those that get 'caught' atm are just unfortunate collateral damage!

     

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    anonymous dutch coward, May 2nd, 2012 @ 9:15am

    america

    no bruce, they were americans and by definition incapable of doing anything serious without chinese skill, ingenuity, labour or money. the feds should have left them alone playing call of duty.

     

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    Raybone (profile), May 2nd, 2012 @ 9:20am

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    already happened..look up '93 WTC bombing which actually did kill people...Feds supplied the explosives..Their undercover informant secretly recorded the transactions he had with the Feds. Solid proof, yet nothing was done.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 2nd, 2012 @ 9:23am

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    that would be some lulz until you're arrested and convicted for lying to the feds

     

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    Chuck Norris' Enemy (deceased) (profile), May 2nd, 2012 @ 9:30am

    Re: C'mon people... really?

    Or the FBI show up at the suspects houses (well, they aren't actually guilty of anything yet) and start asking questions. I'm sure that would simmer down any plans from the group just knowing that the FBI has them on their radar.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 2nd, 2012 @ 9:36am

    Re: C'mon people... really?

    I don't know how it works in the States, but around here, facilitating and instigating criminal acts is a crime. A very serious one.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 2nd, 2012 @ 9:37am

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    Way to show your maturity, yay


    Cheerleaders, altogether now

    Your number one

     

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    varagix, May 2nd, 2012 @ 9:43am

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    We aren't already?

     

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    Chuck Norris' Enemy (deceased) (profile), May 2nd, 2012 @ 9:45am

    Re: Re:

    Whoosh!

     

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    Chosen Reject (profile), May 2nd, 2012 @ 10:08am

    Re: Re: Fonzi Scheme

    The government is becoming so transparently pathetic...
    Yay! Finally some transparency.

    In all seriousness, I suspect that a big reason governments are so hesitant to be transparent is they know how much incompetence it will reveal. There's very little we'd let the government do if we knew exactly how incompetent they are at doing it.

     

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    ltlw0lf (profile), May 2nd, 2012 @ 10:17am

    Re:

    And all of the geniuses on this site blame the FBI. Only in America!

    Techdirt is available worldwide, and many of the folks here aren't from the United States, or even from America (US, Mexico, and Canada, are all part of North America.)

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 2nd, 2012 @ 10:22am

    I don't see what's so wrong with this. Making up bogus fake terrorism to catch prospective terrorists seems like a decent way to stop them early and safely. Yeah, youll make some "terrorists" who wouldnt otherwise be, but you may catch a few of the genuine article too.

     

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    gorehound (profile), May 2nd, 2012 @ 10:28am

    Re: Well, the FBI needs to look like it does something

    +1

    And if you try to bring out the point of how the FBI finds people who are pissed off at the Government like these guys (who look like a punk or Alt.Rocker in a local band) and then eggs them on and sucks them in to a plot they may not have done in the first place well..............

    Read Comments on News Sites as US Citizens are braindead and do not realize this one bit.All they care about is We Caught A Terrorist.USA Is going down more and more each year.

     

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    The Amazing Sammy (profile), May 2nd, 2012 @ 10:30am

    Quick thought

    Seems like the FBI is bored, does not have enough to do with their time, which can only mean that they need to be downsized. It's sad when they're the biggest source of terrorist plots in America.

     

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    Pitabred (profile), May 2nd, 2012 @ 10:35am

    Re: Re:

    My number one what?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 2nd, 2012 @ 10:42am

    My daily schedule, by an FBI agent

    8:00 AM Bow down before our holy gods and masters, the MPAA and RIAA. Kiss Chris Dodd's ring and vow eternal vigilance against the enemies of the state: college kids sharing mixtapes.

    8:30 AM Briefing on Occupy Wall Street protest. Protesters heavily armed with signs and songs, maximum response required.

    9:00 AM Requisition gear for Occupy response. Body armor, heavy weaponry, shields, tasers, water cannons, armored vehicles, air-to-ground missiles, pepper spray, barbed wire, and the old standby, truncheons.

    9:30 AM-12:30 PM Uphold the First Amendment by beating as many protesters as possible.

    12:30 PM Lunch. (Today: provided by our friends and benefactors on Wall Street)

    1:30-1:31 PM: Seminar on fundamentals of public service, including protecting the rights of American citizens.

    1:35-3:15 PM Undercover detail. Susie Creamcheese (6th grade) was recorded saying "I hate Mrs. Crabtree!" after school and may be a dangerous anarchist communist socialist Muslim Mexican homosexual feminist threat to the security of the United States. Infiltrate soccer team and offer to provide nuclear weapons.

    3:30 PM Briefing on religious threats to civilians. Ignore clear and present danger such as North Carolina Pastor Sean Harris: Parents Should 'Punch' Their Gay-Acting Children or the long-term institutionalized practice of systematic child rape (and its coverup) conducted by the Catholic church and focus entirely on THE threat: Muslims on the other side of the planet who are too busy trying to survive to pay any attention to us.

    4:30-5:00 PM Write up daily report. (Special crayons today!)

     

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    Ninja (profile), May 2nd, 2012 @ 11:00am

    Re: Re:

    I think that's why this comment got both the insightful and LOL voted. The irony in it is so bitter that it gets one wondering...

     

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    hierno, May 2nd, 2012 @ 11:06am

    Reality show is now.

    I would submit that the show is already in progress.

     

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    Manok, May 2nd, 2012 @ 11:16am

    The FBI always delivers fake explosives, so next time, better skip the blowing-up stuff, and anarchise like these dudes did.

     

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    arcan, May 2nd, 2012 @ 11:20am

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    not sure if troll... or moron

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 2nd, 2012 @ 11:21am

    Re: Re: Re:

    It's your number one, number two.

     

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    DaveINnc, May 2nd, 2012 @ 11:29am

    Re: Re: C'mon people... really?

    Well here in the states, if you're a civilian and you facilitate a criminal act, yes.. it's a crime. If you're a government agent trying to stop terrorism though.. hey, guess what... you're allowed to pretend you're part of a group that, ya know, might want to do us harm in some form or fashion.. and yes... you're allowed (I'd say even encouraged) to say to that group "Hey.. what if we had some C4?". Guess what? when the group says "Oh hell yeah!! With some C4 we can blow up that bridge!" THAT sir... is a very serious crime... and more power to the FBI for nailing these guys now, rather than after they actually did blow something up. I hope those clowns have "fun" in prison with their new room mates and enjoy tossing salad!

     

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    Random Guy, May 2nd, 2012 @ 11:38am

    Put it in song

    Come on guys...just figuring this out now?? It's already been made a song a few years back ;)

    A pretty awesome song too I must add...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zKE-LfdM5E

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 2nd, 2012 @ 11:51am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Fonzi Scheme

    Yes, but who has their hand shoved up the Muppet's metaphorical metal arse?

     

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    Colin, May 2nd, 2012 @ 11:54am

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    I was actually seriously considering this after the last article. Maybe they think that if news comes out that every single attempted terrorist attack is actually a government plot, people won't become involved? Backwards logic, but logic nonetheless I guess...

     

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    Beta (profile), May 2nd, 2012 @ 12:08pm

    Re: Re: Re: C'mon people... really?

    "...More power to the FBI for nailing these guys now, rather than after they actually did blow something up."

    Arresting them after they'd actually blown something up was never an option. There was never any plan to blow up anything other than with the "C4" which the FBI offered.

    "Let's arrest murderers before they commit murder" (with its equivalents) is almost my least favorite popular political catchphrase, coming in a close second after "if you have nothing to hide...".

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 2nd, 2012 @ 1:19pm

    Re:

    So...

    Should the FBI have a team online that connects with people that like porn and say "hey check out this link" which leads to child porn? Then they arrest anyone who clicks the link. Hey we stopped somone that could have been driven to child porn so it is a success

    Or...

    Have undercovers at grocery stores (or art galleries, etc.)give away free samples of beer / wine then arrest them for drinking and driving (regardless of BAC since they will have a record of you consuming alcohol just prior to driving) as they leave the parking lot. Hey, these are people that could be led to drinking and driving.

    Or..

    I could come up with multiple examples of entrapment that we could use to put potential evil dooers behind bars, but you should get the idea.

    And a question for you: Do you like cigars? Have you ever wondered what all the rage is about Cuban cigars? ...careful how you answer. I could think that you plan to start importing Cuban cigars. I am sure that I could convince you that it is a good idea to try.

     

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    Joe Publius (profile), May 2nd, 2012 @ 1:40pm

    Re:

    Then what?

    Most likely scenario:

    Everyone involved points a finger at each other. A Congressional inquiry will be made where loud voices will be spoken, and more fingers pointed. A mid-high level functionary will be forced to resign into an executive level position with a security or defence company. The government claims immunity from prosecution as the culprit was a terrorist anyway (that they created the terrorist is beside the point), so no restitution is made for the victims.

     

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    John Fenderson (profile), May 2nd, 2012 @ 1:58pm

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    Right, because the ends always justify the means.

     

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    Bergman (profile), May 2nd, 2012 @ 2:24pm

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    Or better still, run it as a sting operation. When the FBI mole gives them the Go-order, turn the guy in to the police. The group will, after all, have all the weapons and explosives the guy supplied them, and have tape recordings of him planning the terrorist attack, etc, etc.

    It's bound to happen sooner or later, and can you just imagine the sort of PR disaster it would be for the feds?

    They might have to go back to investigating crimes and chasing real terrorists. Apparently, real terrorists are too rare to justify the FBI budget, so they have to make their own at home in their garage.

     

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    Bergman (profile), May 2nd, 2012 @ 2:26pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Fonzi Scheme

    I dunno, I hear Fozzie occasionally snorts carpet cleaner in his dressing room...

     

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    Bergman (profile), May 2nd, 2012 @ 2:27pm

    Re: Reality show is now.

    Coming soon to a Courtroom near you!

     

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    Bergman (profile), May 2nd, 2012 @ 2:29pm

    Re: Re: Okie Doke

    Real explosives aren't hard to make. Guy Fawkes tried to blow up a large building with simple black gunpowder, after all.

    Yeah, the explosives the FBI supplies are fake. But it'd be a hell of a black eye for the agency if a fake terrorist plot turned real and successful because the "terrorists" used the FBI plan with their own home brew explosives and successfully blew up a federal building.

    If a sting like that goes wrong, can the undercover agent(s) be charged with conspiracy to commit terrorism?

     

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    Bergman (profile), May 2nd, 2012 @ 2:35pm

    Re: Re:

    RICO Act. Criminal conspiracy. Felony murder.

    All of these things could land on anyone even remotely connected to a successful terrorist attack, if it comes out that the plot was created, planned, driven and all but carried out by the feds.

    Conspiracy laws are scary. You can wind up in prison for a LONG time despite having no knowledge whatsoever of the actual conspiracy or crime, simply for associating with people who do. Witness what happened to Osama bin Laden's limo driver! All he did was be employed to drive a car for a wealthy man from a respected family. And from a criminal conspiracy standpoint, that driver is just as guilty as Osama.

     

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    Bergman (profile), May 2nd, 2012 @ 2:40pm

    Re:

    It has been said that a committee is the only known vertebrate organism with two dozen feet and no brain.

    A bureaucracy is a massive network of committees. Do the math.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 2nd, 2012 @ 3:49pm

    Granny Warned Me

    Granny told me when I was young. Listen to me boy and learn something. Don't you ever trust Police, Lawyers or Politicians. They lie for a living and can never stop, because once you learn how to lie real good. It becomes easier than telling the truth.
    Remember........
    I tell granny they will steal the rest of your houses with reverse mortgages. Pretty soon no one will own anything.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 2nd, 2012 @ 3:51pm

    Re: Well, the FBI needs to look like it does something

    Perhaps this is an appropriate context in which to suggest a second-order corollary to the Shirkey Principle, to wit: Problems that do not actually exist will be created by the institutions whose purpose it is to solve them.

     

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    radiatorninjaen (profile), May 2nd, 2012 @ 4:03pm

    Well, without advocating violence, blowing up billboards on top of buildings would actually make sense in the Fight Club kind of way, I guess. At least it would be a powerful statement.

    But blowing up some random bridge in a national park somewhere? Who even came up with that idea? "Now that'll teach them to... not... drive in national parks". Even from an anarchistic point of view, I have a hard time seeing how this makes any sense at all.

     

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    Ed C., May 2nd, 2012 @ 4:42pm

    Re: Re: Re: C'mon people... really?

    You're glossing over the fact that these guys never would have got their hands on the C4 otherwise. And the last time I checked, plotting to do something without actually having the opportunity or means to commit the crime is not a crime.

    For instance, who hasn't heard an angry guy at a bar saying he'd shoot is boss, wife, ex-friend, neighbor, coworker, etc., etc.? Hell, I've heard more than one man say he would shoot Bush if given the chance. I've heard others spout off about Obama too. There's millions of people who at one time or another said they would intentionally kill someone. Now, if some guy where to approach any of them and say, "Hey, I could get you that gun." Never actually give it to them, just merely offer it. How many would say "Oh hell yeah!!"? By your account, every last one of them should be in jail right now.

     

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    Cowardly Anonymous, May 2nd, 2012 @ 5:09pm

    Re:

    The precept "innocent until proven guilty," integral to the American Justice system originated under the theory that it is better to allow some who are guilty go free than it is to allow even a single innocent to be convicted.

    Catching even one "terrorist" who wouldn't otherwise be is entirely unacceptable under that theory.

     

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    Cowardly Anonymous, May 2nd, 2012 @ 5:14pm

    Re:

    That's how you know it was the FBI's idea all along. A nice safe target just in case they supplement with a little homemade stuff. Really, it is a three-ring-circus of pathetic. Pathetic media eating it up, pathetic FBI unable to do anything better and pathetic anarchists believing the plant.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 2nd, 2012 @ 5:33pm

    The "thought police" are already here, friends.

    It won't be long before they don't even need to supply fake explosives to start throwing people in jail.

    Actually, they're already here. Examples can be found I just can't be bothered to search for URL's. Do your own research. If you've read this far on this thread you're already curious enough to find out, which is a good thing...

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 2nd, 2012 @ 5:58pm

    Re: Re:

    They aren't mutually exclusive

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 2nd, 2012 @ 7:02pm

    Re:

    Really, what does this topic even have to do with pirates? You're beyond desperation. You're little more than a joke.

     

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    chelleliberty (profile), May 2nd, 2012 @ 10:38pm

    Imagined press conference (with imagined actual journalist):

    Reporter: "But, wasn't the informant, whom you are primarily relying upon for your information, actually paid over $6,000 by the FBI and later jailed for passing bad checks even though you were aware that, of his convictions on robbery and at least three other time on passing bad checks?"

    FBI Spokesperson: "Umm... But, terrorism! Mohawk!"

    Reporter: "And didn't this paid informant (contractor?) basically entice these folks into planning acts they had never thought of on their own and would likely have never done so had it not been for your informant plans created by the FBI?"

    FBI Spokesperson: "But... but... Topple! Bridge! 'Occupy!'..."

    Reporter: And weren't you just reprimanded by a judge in September about a similar case, saying the 'essence' of the operation was that you 'created acts of terrorism out of the fantasies and the bravado and the bigotry of [those involved]', that you 'made them terrorists,' and that she was 'not proud of [her] government for' those actions?

    FBI Spokesperson: "Well... Um... Anarchist's Cookbook!!... ANARCHISTS!!!"

    Reporter: "And ... mrrffle pfrrt ..."

    FBI Spokesperson: "Any more questions? No? Okay, well, I want to thank all of you for coming today to help us get the word out about how we're keeping America safe."

    FIN

     

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    The Devil's Coachman (profile), May 3rd, 2012 @ 5:19am

    Re:

    I believed it all.......except for the imagined part.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 3rd, 2012 @ 8:14am

    Re:

    I wonder how many times the FBI has busted up an ATF plot?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 3rd, 2012 @ 12:33pm

    Re: Re:

    you catch prospective terrorists by turning them into real terrorists. you're not sending prospective terrorists to jail which havent been turned into real terrorists yet, at least, real terrorists as defined by the law.

    AC's examples are all terrible.

    would clicking a link thats not known to be child porn (but actually is) be a crime? is buying bombs with the other documentation of terrorist intent a crime? don't compare apples to oranges.

    regardless of BAC? drinking and then driving isn't a crime. driving with intoxicated is a crime, which you wouldnt be after a taste, and your BAC would bear that out.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, May 3rd, 2012 @ 12:45pm

    I am disappointed

    I am disappointe with those anarchists. What where they thinking? How was it possible they accepted such a pointless plan?

     

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    teka, May 3rd, 2012 @ 8:22pm

    Re: Re: Re: C'mon people... really?

    you are eager to send people to jail for thought-crimes that a skilled FBI agent manipulates them into, with the added bonus of insisting that they are sexually assaulted while being unlawfully imprisoned for these un-crimes.

    wow.

    This is the kind of person they must be recruiting. Scary, isn't it?

     

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