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Officials Receive Requests To Censor 79 Websites Under Spain's SOPA-Like Sinde Law

from the censorhsip-is-fun dept

Thanks to tremendous pressure from the US entertainment industry and the US government, Spain passed the Sinde law, putting in place a Spanish version of SOPA that creates a blacklist of naughty sites to be burned at the stake... or, failing that, have access blocked by ISPs. The Sinde law has been in effect for a month, and Spain's Ministry of Culture has admitted to receiving over 300 complaints calling for the death of 79 sites. The copyright commission is investigating the allegations and has not yet shut down any sites. Either way, this gives you a sense of the entitlement feeling of many in the industry. Given the chance (and the original SOPA gave them the chance), they will claim all sorts of horrible things about very useful services -- and then order them shut down. We know, for a fact, that takedown systems like the DMCA get regularly abused. Expanding such powers by allowing for the complete closure of sites is something that will be widely abused too. Complaints targeting so many sites upfront certainly suggests that the law itself is quite problematic.

Make no mistake about it. This new law is a censorship law, that allows private parties to make claims that could lead to competitors being knocked offline. The Spanish public was against it, as were many politicians. But the supporters of the bill finally got it through, and the fallout is a big bureaucracy and lots of accusations flying -- accusations that may never be dealt with in a real trial. Letting private companies effectively run a system for censorship, and seeing it being used in action, should worry most people. Unfortunately, "most people" seems to exclude the big copyright industry players and the politicians they love.


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    C. Sahed, Apr 4th, 2012 @ 11:51am

    Generalissimo Francisco Franco's ghost

    rides again.

    Viva Espaņa!

     

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    anonymous dutch coward, Apr 4th, 2012 @ 11:52am

    flood

    flood the system with fake requests.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 4th, 2012 @ 11:53am

    "The Sinde law has been in effect for a month, and Spain's Ministry of Culture has admitted to receiving over 300 complaints calling for the death of 79 sites"

    You make it sound like they were trying to hide the numbers. Seems like a pretty reasonable count for the initial 30 day period. That means on average about 4 complaints per site. Doesn't seem like just random moves, does it?

     

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    Jeffhole (profile), Apr 4th, 2012 @ 11:58am

    SIGH

    I just...I'm sick of it. I don't watch TV any more. I don't watch movies any more. I don't go get new music. I don't buy new books, I just go to the library.

    I used to like watching some TV shows when I had the time. I used to like taking my girlfriend to the movies or buying movies for us to watch. I used to like finding new music. I used to like filling up my bookshelves. I can't let myself do any of those things anymore. All of this money-grabbing greed-driven fucking bullshit has simply put me off of almost all media.

    And you know what? It's the best goddamned thing I could have ever done for myself. My girlfriend and I take our library books to the park and read them. We hike. We go see live theater. It's wonderful. I've lost 12 pounds. My girlfriends buttcheeks firmed up.

    Fuck big media, remove them from your lives. You'll fucking love it.

     

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    Rob (profile), Apr 4th, 2012 @ 11:59am

    Please take down Apple.com, HP.com, Dell.com, etc. They make the tools that allow us to infringe. /sarcasm

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 4th, 2012 @ 12:23pm

    the law was introduced and basically forced through by a politician that is also a member of the entertainment industries. BIG MISTAKE! the US threatened trade sanctions against Spain and inclusion on the 301 list. disgraceful! the people were ignored, as usual. despicable! the new government were against the law until they were elected. less than three months later, i believe, they not only reintroduced the law but passed it as well, ie, deceived the people until they were in power. disgusting!

    nothing different to any other country, really!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 4th, 2012 @ 12:24pm

    and gets it wrong again

    30 days
    300 complaints
    79 sites

    AND NO SITES HAVE BEEN TAKEN DOWN
    they are being looked into, you said it yourself, so how is this abuse??? censorship?????

    IT ISN'T, its you making up a sky is falling story to justify your position, which is becoming laughable
    you have an entitlement feeling about anything you don't agree with is censorship and evil and everything must be free....

    your horse is dead, let it go

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 4th, 2012 @ 12:26pm

    Finally...

    ...the buttcheek dividend.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 4th, 2012 @ 12:27pm

    Re:

    Darryl, please enroll in a remedial reading course.

     

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    :Lobo Santo (profile), Apr 4th, 2012 @ 12:28pm

    Re: ...?

    So... you're just sorta dis/agreeing in an angry manner?

    I see you've so very ragefully covered the points which were brought up in the article, and then tacked on a little ad-hom for good measure.

    4/10. Style, but no substance.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 4th, 2012 @ 12:32pm

    Just out of curiosity, do you have the names of those sites? I'd like to see who is being "censored"

     

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    Another AC, Apr 4th, 2012 @ 12:37pm

    Re:

    Is your attitude stupidity or ignorance?

    The point of the complaints is to get the sites taken down.

    To use your analogy, just because the sky is falling slowly doesn't mean it's not falling...

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 4th, 2012 @ 12:44pm

    "Either way, this gives you a sense of the entitlement feeling of many in the industry."

    I guess if by "entitlement" you mean demanding the ability to stop people from stealing your shit then I guess they are acting entitled. As opposed to the "Entitled Generation" who feel that they are entitled to download music even if it is from illegal sources, download movies from illegal sources, and download cracked games from illegal sources.

    "This new law is a censorship law, that allows private parties to make claims that could lead to competitors being knocked offline."

    When you are competing against your own product offered illegally for free it really isn't competition is it?

     

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    Dave (profile), Apr 4th, 2012 @ 12:46pm

    Re: SIGH

    I've also stopped going to the movies and watching episodic TV. Most of what I watch on my TiVo comes from the web (TWiT, TED, Rev3, several YouTube channels , etc.) rather than cable, which I only keep because I'm too big a sports fan to let it go completely. (Though I am weighing some options on this end.)

    However, as a longtime music podcaster who *does* seek out music from small indie labels and unsigned artists to share with people, I'd be remiss if I didn't suggest giving indie music podcasts a try, because there's LOTS of great music out there that has no ties to big media. Start at musicpodcasting.org and go from there. You'll be glad you did.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 4th, 2012 @ 1:04pm

    Hey, why should governments have all the fun censoring content they don't like? In Spain EVERYONE gets to play the role of an evil dictator censoring foes they don't like!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 4th, 2012 @ 1:05pm

    Re:

    Last I knew, those agencies providing the 79 websites to be taken down, had not taken them to court.

    Where is the due process or just because an *AA said it was a "Bad Place" the government buys off on them as trusted reporters?

    Your rant is noted and dismissed as the frustrated mumblings of a control freak. When the public of Spain has a say in this ramrodding of the law, then I'll bow to your mumblings as insightful.

     

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    Jeffhole (profile), Apr 4th, 2012 @ 1:37pm

    Re: Re: SIGH

    Absolutely, give smaller/indie/unsigned bands a shot. I'm sure that I'll get back into new music eventually (how can one not?) but...for now, I'm just tired. All of this stuff just puts me off.

    Keep on suing, record labels. Keep it up. You're just putting your own methods (and quite possibly your industry as you know it) into the ground. And good riddance. Keep it goin'.

     

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    wallow-T, Apr 4th, 2012 @ 2:27pm

    Re: Re:

    "Where is the due process...?"

    The loss of due process isn't a bug, it's a feature!

    Think of Due Process as quality control. The problem that the copyright industries face is that, with allegations of infringement running in the millions, they cannot afford quality control.

    A loss of quality control means substantial number of innocents will be treated as copyright infringers: yet that is the only way to hope to throttle mass-scale infringement.

    To the copyright industries, the Internet, and any service and user on it, is acceptable collateral damage.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 4th, 2012 @ 3:07pm

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    If they are found innocent their sites will be restored. This has happened in the past. This is no different than the cops seizing equiptment from a SUSPECTED meth lab, or impounding a car used in a robbery. Notice how something is temporarily seized BEFORE someone is proven guilty. This is commonplace in law enforcement.

     

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    Cowardly Anonymous, Apr 4th, 2012 @ 6:51pm

    This is news?

    Not that I support what is being done, but those numbers actually seem a little underwhelming.

    First of all, the laws are new and it is likely that these 79 sites were being watched by various copyright holders prior to the passage of the law. In fact, their activities likely provided the motivation for pursuing the law in the first place.

    As such, if they did not update their site to become compliant with the new law, it stands to reason that they would be targeted right away.

    Further, as to the sheer number, this site has mentioned the whack-a-mole effect a number of times. In that instance, the industry is going to have a lot of targets.

     

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    PaulT (profile), Apr 5th, 2012 @ 1:50am

    Re: Re:

    "Is your attitude stupidity or ignorance?"

    Both.

     

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    PaulT (profile), Apr 5th, 2012 @ 3:10am

    Re:

    "I guess if by "entitlement" you mean demanding the ability to stop people from stealing your shit then I guess they are acting entitled"

    No stealing is happening, stop being a moron.

    Oh, and perhaps if they offered legal services online, maybe people wouldn't go for the free option? What an astounding thought! If legal services existed, people wouldn't use the illegal ones! Wow!

    "When you are competing against your own product offered illegally for free it really isn't competition is it?"

    Only if you're the sort of idiot who thinks that price=value and that's the only factor you can use to compete. Reality begs to differ, as ever.

     

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    Niall (profile), Apr 5th, 2012 @ 5:05am

    Re: Re: Re:

    And in the meantime it's perfectly acceptable for them to suffer loss of business, earnings or reputation on the say-so of someone who could all too easily?

    Forget patent wars, get your competitors' sites taken down!

    If all that is triggered by this process is an investigation of those sites, but they are allowed to continue as is, then great. If they are taken down in the interim, espcially if it is over the actions of third parties, then no, that's not good. And we have yet to see a law of this sort that isn't abused by the content crybabies. They'll find some loophole to use to persecute those sites they don't like and keep pounding until they think they've got their way. Then they'll ramp things up more, or buy some more laws.

     

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    abc gum, Apr 5th, 2012 @ 5:09am

    Re: Re: Re:

    There is a difference between civil and criminal, to compare the two is a bit silly.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 5th, 2012 @ 9:27am

    Re: SIGH

    Firmer buttcheeks you say... BRB, gonna go destroy the TV.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 5th, 2012 @ 10:54am

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    The suspected meth lab is losing business. The suspected robber is losing the use of his car. It's the same thing. If they were allowed to continue to offer pirated content then the policing agencies would be allowing crime to continue. What you are asking is that the meth lab continue to be allowed to make meth and the robber be continued to rob until his/her court date. It makes NO SENSE!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 6th, 2012 @ 7:27pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    And if, in fact, the meth lab is NOT a meth lab and the robber is NOT a robber, your confiscation of their facilities and amenities would not be allowed. Why would this case be different?

    Like you said, you make NO SENSE.

     

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