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Vic Toews Apparently Not A Fan Of Others Seeing His Personal Data

from the is-he-for-child-porn? dept

You may recall that Canadian Minister of Public Safety Vic Toews announced Canada's "lawful access" (read: government monitoring of the internet) bill by saying that if you weren't in favor of the bill, you supported child porn. Over the weekend, he also seemed to admit that he didn't even understand the bill he was supporting.

That was pretty ridiculous, and a Twitter meme was developed in which lots of people shared info with Toews about things that were going on in their lives. Of course, it was only a matter of time until someone did the opposite... and started revealing info about Toews. Indeed, late last week, a Twitter account calling itself Vikileaks showed up on the scene... leaking info about things like Toews' divorce. After that created a lot of press attention and controversy, the anonymous person behind the account shut it down. However, Brendan noted that for a while it appeared to be blocked in Canada, but not elsewhere. He provided a screenshot from Canada where it says no such account exists, as well as one via a proxy which shows the account. If the user deleted the account, it's possible that it was a caching issue...

Either way, it appears that Toews is not at all happy that his own personal info is being shared. There were some claims that the account holder was accessing the account from within the Canadian House of Commons (something the user denied), leading Toews to demand an investigation into who was behind the account. Of course, as the report notes, it may be difficult to impossible to get any useful info, since all House of Commons traffic shows up as coming from one of just four IPs, so zeroing in on the particular user may not be possible.

But, no matter, Toews wants an investigation (at taxpayer expense). And who gets to investigate those who abuse Toews' lawful access proposal to access private info of citizens? Perhaps, rather than chasing down a ghost, Toews would be better served to think a little more seriously about the complaints people have raised about government over-surveillance.



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    lolzzzz, Feb 21st, 2012 @ 3:57am

    JUST so you know

    ALL htat was released was on public record , JUST not all nice n neat in one place.
    In other words GOT YA...what ya going to investigate nothing illegal was done.

     

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    lolzzzz, Feb 21st, 2012 @ 3:58am

    OH and

    Sorry for double post but he degraded his reputation by calling every Canadian that likes privacy names in the house of commons.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 21st, 2012 @ 4:05am

    same old story. politicians that have no understanding AT ALL concerning the Bills they are introducing, have no clue AT ALL about the implications of the Bills they are introducing, no clue AT ALL about how the Internet works, are TOO FUCKING OLD to be telling people what they can and cant do, where they can or cant do it, yet insist there is nothing wrong with the Bills they are introducing, even though they are gonna allow infringement of privacy, freedom and human rights. that is, until exactly what their Bill will do comes back and bites them well and truly in the arse! funny how they think it's perfectly ok for everyone's information to be broadcast and available to whoever wants it (the governments), as long as it isn't their information!

     

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    TheLaughingMan, Feb 21st, 2012 @ 4:06am

    Who Watches The Watchmen?

    Stephen Harper, John Baird, Rob Nicholson and Vic Toews should be tarred and feathered, then banished from Canada!

     

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    Fat American, Feb 21st, 2012 @ 4:14am

    What's going on up there?

    Come on guys, get it together up north. I need somewhere sane to flee to if things go off the rails completely in the US.

     

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    Paul Renault (profile), Feb 21st, 2012 @ 4:22am

    Rick Mercer's Rant covers this tonight

    He address Toews proposed legislattion. One line from a preview (I'm quoting from memory) is "almost all people, if they knew they were going to die in five minutes ... would take a minute or two and go to their computer and erase the hard drive..".. Heh.

    In the interim, here's an applicable rant about the Harper government:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWwEwUz45_I

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 21st, 2012 @ 4:49am

    And yet...this isn't enough.

    Someone needs to get into his personal computer(s), his cell phone, etc., and publish EVERYTHING. He's publicly volunteered to be an example, so why not take him up on the offer?

    He won't learn the lesson, of course, he's far too stupid. But perhaps others will benefit from observing.

     

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    Yogi, Feb 21st, 2012 @ 4:53am

    Waiting...

    I can't wait for these old farts to finally die out so we can just go on with our new digital lives without having to worry all the time about these pompous know-nothings messing with stuff they don't know.
    It's like having a baby wandering around in a nuclear reactor - you're either crazy or you're saying: "what the hell is a baby doing in there" and you're rushing to get him out.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 21st, 2012 @ 4:59am

    Moose time to rebel.
    It is now or never :)

     

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    Bhargav.Y, Feb 21st, 2012 @ 5:15am

    Honorable ???

    Since when was accusing people of being pro-child porn and ignoring all their arguments "Honorable Debate"

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 21st, 2012 @ 5:23am

    His objection is a political matter within the House of Commons, and he has every right to be upset that someone apparently associated with the House in some capacity is playing games to try and score political points.

     

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    fairusefriendly (profile), Feb 21st, 2012 @ 5:23am

    so he objects to a consequence of proposed bill

    If this bill goes forward every isp will have a database of data, that could be hacked and release to the public.

    The embarrassment he is currently objecting to is the same problem millions of Canadians will face from this bill.

     

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    The eejit (profile), Feb 21st, 2012 @ 5:28am

    Re: Who Watches The Watchmen?

    Who would want them?

     

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    The eejit (profile), Feb 21st, 2012 @ 5:31am

    Re: Honorable ???

    Since Fox News was created.

     

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    The eejit (profile), Feb 21st, 2012 @ 5:32am

    Re:

    He was trying to use MORAL OUTRAGE to score cheap political points. Turnabout is fair play.

     

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    Yogi, Feb 21st, 2012 @ 5:33am

    Waiting...

    I can't wait for these old farts to finally die out so we can just go on with our new digital lives without having to worry all the time about these pompous know-nothings messing with stuff they don't know.
    It's like having a baby wandering around in a nuclear reactor - you're either crazy or you're saying: "what the hell is a baby doing in there" and you're rushing to get him out.

     

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    Don't Toews Me Bro, Feb 21st, 2012 @ 5:34am

    it seems that mr. toews is unwilling to impose upon himself that which he is quick to impose upon others.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 21st, 2012 @ 5:36am

    Re: Re:

    Which is common in parlimentary debate. Personal matters is quite a different story.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 21st, 2012 @ 5:40am

    "Increased surveillance is fine, as long as it's not increased surveillance of me."

     

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    fogbugzd (profile), Feb 21st, 2012 @ 5:41am

    Re:

    >>politicians that have no understanding AT ALL concerning the Bills they are introducing, have no clue AT ALL about the implications of the Bills they are introducing, no clue AT ALL about how the Internet works, are TOO FUCKING OLD to be telling people what they can and cant do,

    Politicians don't need to know. The lobbyists tell them everything they need to know. If anonymous wants to upset someone who really matters, they should hack the lobbyist who wrote the bill.

     

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    DogBreath, Feb 21st, 2012 @ 5:47am

    Re: Re: Re:

    If he has nothing to hide and he hasn't done anything wrong, he shouldn't be afraid... unless he has something to hide.

     

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    :Lobo Santo (profile), Feb 21st, 2012 @ 5:56am

    Re: Who Watches The Watchmen?

    Don't you mean they should be set adrift on an ice floe?

     

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    Loki, Feb 21st, 2012 @ 6:28am

    If the people creating these bad legislations and bad business models don't want them used against them, perhaps they should stop proposing them.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 21st, 2012 @ 6:42am

    Umm...If I read that right, he's fine with doing it in public. So, I'm not exactly sure of this (this being Canadian politics), but couldn't some other politician get up and filibuster with this same personal information that was publicly available? In the house of commons or whatever meeting they have next?

     

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    The Groove Tiger (profile), Feb 21st, 2012 @ 6:49am

    Re: Re: Who Watches The Watchmen?

    I can imagine their reactions...

    "You'll regret this day, friend!"

     

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    The Devil's Coachman (profile), Feb 21st, 2012 @ 7:06am

    Re: Re: Re: Who Watches The Watchmen?

    They would soon be forced to realize the sheer ludicrousness of that remark, once the hypothermia set in.

     

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    Beech, Feb 21st, 2012 @ 7:09am

    Poetic justice, while not always savory, is nonetheless usually satisfying

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 21st, 2012 @ 7:26am

    canadian gov eh

    Canada-eh... the "53 state wannabee" of the US run by america's ho's... our canadian politicians love to be in bed with the US (any position anytime u big US boys) but when the tables are turned on the politicians they sure have a high pitch scream.

     

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    Pickle Monger (profile), Feb 21st, 2012 @ 7:34am

    I call BS

    Perhaps, rather than chasing down a ghost, Toews would be better served to think a little more seriously about the complaints people have raised about government over-surveillance.


    What I would rather have is a clear explanation of why the government doesn not want to keep a registry of guns (Conservative-dominated parliament voted to discontinue it last week) but want to keeps a detailed info on internet users. Regardless of how people feel about the gun registry, it would be the height of intellectual dishonesty to assert that internet user history is more dangerous than guns.

     

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    LMG, Feb 21st, 2012 @ 7:53am

    "However, Brendan noted that for a while it appeared to be blocked in Canada, but not elsewhere. He provided a screenshot from Canada where it says no such account exists, as well as one via a proxy which shows the account. If the user deleted the account, it's possible that it was a caching issue..."

    Had similar issue, but it wasn't just vikileaks, it was about 80% of the profiles I tried to visit for a brief period. I think it was just twitter acting up like it usually does as sometimes vikileaks showed and sometimes it didn't.

     

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    Josh (profile), Feb 21st, 2012 @ 8:16am

    Umm...

    "This attempt to smear my name using taxpayer-funded resources"

    Is he implying that Twitter is funded by the Canadian taxpayers?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 21st, 2012 @ 8:18am

    Re: Re: Re:

    How are public documents a personal issue?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 21st, 2012 @ 8:45am

    Re: Re: Re: Who Watches The Watchmen?

    To which someone will respond, "I'm not your friend, buddy!"

     

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    Toews Lover, Feb 21st, 2012 @ 9:01am

    What a douchebag politician

    This douchebag Toews should be exposed for being a fraud upon the Canadian voters. First, he doesn't even understand the legislation he's supporting (duh) and then his linking people who don't support the bill to being child porn lovers, well Vic the payback for you was sweet. Maybe next time you get some legislation, you actually read it and understand it. This is what you and your other child porn loving buddies in Parliament should do. Douchebag, just resign now.

     

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    The eejit (profile), Feb 21st, 2012 @ 9:16am

    Re: Re: Re:

    He represents THE PUBLIC. He should be scrutinized by the public to ensure that he is actually able to do the damn job.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 21st, 2012 @ 9:17am

    Re: I call BS

    FYI, the gun registry was for long barrel weapons only. So only hunting rifles.
    When was the last time you saw a 7-11 knocked over by two thugs wielding hunting rifles?
    Not to mention the billions of dollars wasted making sure the farmers and hunters weren't the criminal types.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 21st, 2012 @ 9:17am

    Re: What's going on up there?

    Then you may want to consider Mexico. Or better yet, stand up and fight back! :{

     

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    Joe, Feb 21st, 2012 @ 9:20am

    Re:

    ' and he has every right to be upset that someone apparently associated with the House in some capacity is playing games to try and score political points.'

    A politician has every right to be upset someone is playing political games..... That guy is going to have pretty high blood pressure...

     

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    Joe, Feb 21st, 2012 @ 9:23am

    This is just a strategy play

    and a good one at that. He's turning the conversation away from the bill and making accusations that one of the opposition parties is responsible forcing them on the defensive. Shifting the narrative off of the legislation allows them to get it through with the least amount of trouble.

     

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    Joe, Feb 21st, 2012 @ 9:23am

    This is just a strategy play

    and a good one at that. He's turning the conversation away from the bill and making accusations that one of the opposition parties is responsible forcing them on the defensive. Shifting the narrative off of the legislation allows them to get it through with the least amount of trouble.

     

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    Joe, Feb 21st, 2012 @ 9:28am

    apologies for the double post. double clicked the submit button...

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 21st, 2012 @ 9:30am

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Because in legislative proceedings courtesy and decorum should rule the day (yes, even if your opponent is such an idiot that you want to call him/her out).

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 21st, 2012 @ 9:43am

    Guess who else deserves this?

    Lamar Smith. HR 1981.

    That is all.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 21st, 2012 @ 9:46am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Opponent? Oh right, we actually don't know who the leak was. Hey, it could've have been his "side" for all we know, makes for a good narrative, the victim angle.

    I think we can safely say that the political realm in the 21st century will be decidedly different than, oh wait, it's always been this way.

     

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    whatever (profile), Feb 21st, 2012 @ 10:39am

    Just something to add

     

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    radarmonkey (profile), Feb 21st, 2012 @ 10:48am

    Who sent it?

    Of course, as the report notes, it may be difficult to impossible to get any useful info, since all House of Commons traffic shows up as coming from one of just four IPs, so zeroing in on the particular user may not be possible.
    But ... but ... but ... all the Big Content says you can positively identify the *PERSON* by an IP address! I'm so confused.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 21st, 2012 @ 11:01am

    Hey Mike your site seems to be blocked in Canada?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 21st, 2012 @ 11:43am

    So.. what's a new career for someone that's been in IT for 20 years? Maybe I could go collect garbage...

    Thank you Toews for killing more jobs.

     

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    Nick Fillmore, Feb 21st, 2012 @ 11:48am

    Harper is the bad one . . . .

    Poor old, stupid Vic Toews got his toes caught in this one! He should resign, but incompetent or lying Conservative cabinet ministers never seem to resign or fall on their sword -- these guys should live in Japan! They might be more hones.

    In reality it is Stephen Harper who is the bad guy in all of this. he dislikes and mistrusts ordinary liberal-minded Canadians so much, he wants us spied upon. He has some very evil ideas:
    http://nickfillmore.blogspot.com/2012/02/is-stephen-harper-displaying-fascist.html

     

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    Nick Fillmore, Feb 21st, 2012 @ 11:48am

    Harper is the bad one . . . .

    Poor old, stupid Vic Toews got his toes caught in this one! He should resign, but incompetent or lying Conservative cabinet ministers never seem to resign or fall on their sword -- these guys should live in Japan! They might be more hones.

    In reality it is Stephen Harper who is the bad guy in all of this. he dislikes and mistrusts ordinary liberal-minded Canadians so much, he wants us spied upon. He has some very evil ideas:
    http://nickfillmore.blogspot.com/2012/02/is-stephen-harper-displaying-fascist.html

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 21st, 2012 @ 12:46pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Who Watches The Watchmen?

    I'm not you're buddy, guy!

     

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    Kage, Feb 21st, 2012 @ 2:34pm

    They love their rights.

    Isn't it funny how those who wish to deny the average citizen of their basic rights to privacy, feel that on the other hand, their rights are somehow more valid and important.

    We're all equal, they're just more equal.

     

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    Ed Allen, Feb 21st, 2012 @ 2:47pm

    Re: Guess who else deserves this?

    I second that. He needs an awakening to what draconian laws do to people's peace of mind and take away freedoms like privacy.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 21st, 2012 @ 3:05pm

    We still haven't heard

    Just how old was the babysitter when Vic first "interacted" with her?

     

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    That Anonymous Coward (profile), Feb 21st, 2012 @ 3:05pm

    And I'll just leave this here....

    Anonymous video threatens Canada's domestic spying minister with embarrassing disclosures

    http://boingboing.net/2012/02/21/144816.html

    But this point it really is a shame no one expects them... they warned you.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 21st, 2012 @ 5:23pm

    Re: JUST so you know

    what ya going to investigate nothing illegal was done

    And yet he seemed to have no trouble determining the IP address associated with the account—something which would allegedly be difficult under current law if the account had just been used for child pornography.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 22nd, 2012 @ 3:00am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Yeah, they should. So why is it that John Steele is allowed to accuse the EFF of being quasi-anarchist?

     

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    Overcast (profile), Feb 22nd, 2012 @ 7:42am

    What a snake of a hypocrite.

     

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    btr1701 (profile), Feb 23rd, 2012 @ 11:23am

    Re: Re: Re:

    > Which is common in parlimentary debate.
    > Personal matters is quite a different story.

    Bottom line, if he wants to pass a law which would make all my personal data open to scrutiny, then he has a helluva set of stones objecting to his own data being treated the same way.

     

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