The Internet Strikes Back: Anonymous Takes Down DOJ.gov, RIAA, MPAA Sites To Protest Megaupload Seizure

from the doj-does-not-understand-what-has-been-unleashed dept

I'll have a more detailed look at the Megaupload indictment tomorrow (there are some really ridiculous claims in there, but also some evidence of bad actions on the part of Mega, which isn't too surprising). However, even if you're 100% positive that Megaupload was a bad player in the space, you have to question both the timing and the process of completely taking down the site/company the day after practically the entire internet rose up to protest the threat of similar takedowns under SOPA/PIPA. For them not to think the reaction would be fast and furious shows (yet again) just how incredibly, ridiculously, out of touch with the internet the DC establishment is.

Within minutes of the site being shut down, and DOJ releasing its statement, Anonymous sprang into action and started taking down a ton of sites -- including websites for the DOJ, the US Copyright Office, Universal Music, the RIAA, the MPAA and a bunch of other sites. They're apparently still targeting more.

Think of this as the flipside of yesterday's protests. Yesterday the internet folks went dark to protest things. Today... following the government's decision to show off its existing censorship powers -- mocking yesterday's protests -- it appears that the industry/government supporters of online censorship are going dark involuntarily... in a different form of protest.

When will the government learn: don't muck with the internet?


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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 3:05pm

    I think this is a horrible change of events

    The government, at face value, has a strong case against megaupload. Even if it was weak though, this threatens to undermine the results of the protests. They can say we just want to defend pirates, not that we are protecting legitimate websites. Megaupload is one of those websites which it seems the government has pretty damning evidence against, and is not one that we necessary want to protect against SOPA/PIPA, and would have been targeted by OPEN with this damning evidence if there was no jurisdiction here.

     

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      demented, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 3:16pm

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      I think they've figured out by now that nobody outside the MAFIAA and crony companies cares what they say.

      Besides, they figure that OPEN will never pass, because they want to bully us into submitting to SOPA/PIPA.

       

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      Devonavar, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 3:42pm

      Re: Horrible change of events

      Here's the thing. Regardless of the strength of evidence against Megaupload, the internet has two major, legitimate complaints here:

      1. The site has been taken down with no warning after a secret hearing at which the site was not represented. This is a violation of due process and, indirectly, free speech.

      2. Neither the company that owns the website, nor its principles are subject to American law. The American DOJ does not have jurisdiction over them, the NZ justice system does. This is a violation of national sovereignty.

      Both of these deserve a strong response - they are violations of the foundational principles that democratic nations are built on. #2 could be considered an act of war. It's ok to be upset about this, no matter how bad the perpetrator is, or how much it "deserves" to be taken down.

       

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        Michael Talpas (profile), Jan 19th, 2012 @ 3:45pm

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        Unfortunately, it looks like the raids were done with the permission and cooperation of the New Zealand government. But, you are correct about everything else.

         

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        Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:04pm

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        1. The site has been taken down with no warning after a secret hearing at which the site was not represented. This is a violation of due process and, indirectly, free speech.

        Nope. Grand juries have proceeded in secrecy since the 1600s, and grand jury secrecy is an integral part of due process, not a violation of it.

         

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          fogbugzd (profile), Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:09pm

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          >>Grand juries have proceeded in secrecy since the 1600s, and grand jury secrecy is an integral part of due process, not a violation of it.

          That is true, but Grand Juries are not supposed to hand down penalties, just indictments. Taking a business offline is effectively a death sentence.

           

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            Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 6:07pm

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            Nope. The same thing would happen in a drug raid, or in any other indictment handed down against a criminal enterprise.

             

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              btr1701 (profile), Jan 20th, 2012 @ 12:35am

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              > Nope. The same thing would happen in a drug raid, or
              > in any other indictment handed down against a criminal
              > enterprise.

              Nope. A grand jury has no legal authority to seize or shutter a business, drugs or no.

               

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          bob, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:11pm

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          That's what is quite funny about how people toss around the "due process" idea. When the cops decide you've broken the law, they come and arrest you. The trial comes later. But all of the complaints seem to feel that the trial should come first. If only people realized what "due process" means.

          It reminds me of this exchange from "Heathers":

          Veronica: Why can't you adults treat us kids like normal people?

          Veronica's mother: Well little miss 'voice-of-a-generation', how do you think adults treat each other? Usually when teenagers complain that they want to be treated like adults, it's when we ARE treating you like adults!"

           

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            Hans, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:55pm

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            'When the cops decide you've broken the law, they come and arrest you. The trial comes later. But all of the complaints seem to feel that the trial should come first. If only people realized what "due process" means.'

            Really? Ever heard of a pre-trial hearing? Bail? Reasonable time to file charges or release you?

            What a foolish argument. The police don't deprive you of your liberty or livelihood indefinitely, without a hearing in front of a fracking judge.

             

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              bob, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 6:04pm

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              Sure they do. It's called being arrested. They seize your property and if you make bail, you can stay out of jail until the trial. But only if you make bail.

              And you're right it's not indefinitely but then I never said that.

               

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              hmm (profile), Jan 20th, 2012 @ 2:48am

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              Well cept that senate bill 1847 gives them the right to DO JUST THAT ..well to US citizens.

              I wonder how many people Obama and Biden have already 'disappeared' across the world, where they can happily sit in a military prison, not be allowed a lawyer or even to find out the charges against them until "the war on terror is over".

              Funniest point is now the GOVERNMENT is the biggest terror we have, so it should be fighting to destroy itself...oh wait it already is............

               

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            jjmsan (profile), Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:57pm

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            I believe that when police decide you have broken the law and come and arreswt you they are required to have something called a warrent. This allows them to physically take you into custody. You then have to quickly be given a hearing on whether they can keep you in custody ane whether they can keep property as evidence. They don't get to grab things keep them for a year or two and then ask.

             

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              Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 5:57pm

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              I believe that when police decide you have broken the law and come and arreswt you they are required to have something called a warrent. This allows them to physically take you into custody. You then have to quickly be given a hearing on whether they can keep you in custody ane whether they can keep property as evidence. They don't get to grab things keep them for a year or two and then ask.


              Frustrating to have to explain the obvious, but: To the best of my knowledge the co-defendants were arrested in foreign countries. So the arrest/bail proceeding are governed by their sovereign laws. Next comes the extradition hearing. Then they'll be treated to a ride in a private jet to the Eastern District of VA. Then they'll get an arraignment where matters of bail and disposition of seized property will be argued over. Then a trial date will be set and then the trial will occur. However, most likely one of the guys listed third or lower on the indictment will roll over like a happy puppy and plead guilty in exchange for a light sentence. He will have told the prosecutor everything needed to put everyone else away for decades. The rest will quickly plead guilty, hoping for the best. Their best will likely be 10+ years if the money laundering sticks. Seems like if they were making that kind of money, it should have been an easy matter to have paid the license fees and still made a shit pot full of money. Greedy dopes instead get wiped out financially and go to prison. Pretty stupid.

               

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                hmm (profile), Jan 20th, 2012 @ 2:46am

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                or the government will make them sit in prison for 12months, release them without charge claim they "lost some records" and then try to deny it ever happened....dajaz1 anyone?

                 

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            Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 5:23pm

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            bob, are you so clueless that even having it pointed out and explained to you multiple times in the past you still don't get it?

            Yes, when the cops determine that you have broken the law (it's not "decide"), they come and arrest you. The trial indeed does come later.

            What you seem to keep overlooking, rather stupidly or ignorantly (whichever you prefer/fits), is that you are not held indefinitely. You are arrested and imprisoned immediately. At which point, you may post bail (depending on the charges) immediately and go free. To appear at a later trial date, set by the prosecution/judge.

            Or, you immediately get a quick hearing with the judge (not always quick, but not after months of waiting or any such time length) who determines at what amount bail will be set at. At which point, again, you pay and are released on your own recognizance.

            Apparently your knowledge of "due process" must come from some shoddy place. Since it is you, may I venture a guess? I'm thinking you got your intelligence (or some of it) through your genes, so I'd blame Big Parents. As for the rest of it, I'd wager Big Education. With a dash of Big Conspiracy thrown in for good measure. Big Am I Right?

             

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              bob, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 6:07pm

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              Am I the only one who reads what I wrote?

              When the cops decide you've broken the law, they come and arrest you. The trial comes later.

              Of course there will be a trial. I was merely reacting to the idea that some people thought that the arrests in NZ were proof that someone was not following "due process." And I was kind enough to explain that they were. I said nothing about indefinitely.

              You guys have been listening to the loons in the Internet echo chamber too long.

               

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                Anonymous Cowards, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 7:53pm

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                No bob, you say they come and arrest you and a trial comes later. By that it's inferred that you are saying you sit in jail for however long it takes until a trial that proves your innocence or guilt. We may be wrong to infer it, but coming from you it is a reasonable assumption.

                If you were CLEARER in your comments, we could avoid such situations.

                Also, it's wrong to just say "the cops decide you've broken the law". That sounds rather problematic. I've decided bob that you have broken the law, I shall contact my friends in law enforcement and tell them this. Then I hope they decide to agree with me and you are arrested.

                See how that sounds wrong? You make it sound like the cops are just sitting around or whatnot and take it into their heads all of a sudden to just randomly arrest people.

                "Hey, Jim, I've thought it over and made a decision. Bob is a criminal. Let's go arrest him." To which Jim replies, "Well, I was going to do paperwork, but what the heck. I've decided I don't really want to, so let's go!"

                What you mean is AFTER the cops have determined that you have indeed broken the law, through investigations and with evidence, a warrant is issued (usually, unless they actually catch you in the act of committing a crime in which case no warrant is needed) and you are arrested and detained until a preliminary hearing to determine if bail will be set, at which point you can pay it (if one is set) and are released on your own recognizance. This is due process. This is what you SHOULD be saying when you try and correct people or put them in their place in regards to how "due process" is being followed.

                But the truth is, either way, it's an assumption on your part and on the part of others leaving comments that due process has or has not been followed. Without all the facts, without actually being there and seeing for ourselves, we can't with any certainty say we know for sure one way or the other.

                (Hint: This is a comment on how to properly explain things to people. Use it as an example for the future.)

                 

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                  Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 8:33pm

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                  First of all it's "implied" not "inferred" professor. Second, how do you think many intricate, high profile crimes are investigated and prosecuted? By information from tipsters. Bernie Madoff came undone in part due to a competitor trying to replicate his so-called success in investment returns with mathematical modeling. They found it impossible and suggested to the SEC that a closer look was warranted. An indictment comes after a grand jury has heard evidence of your crime presented by the prosecutor.

                   

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                    Bosso Grammaro, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 10:16pm

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                    He absolutely used "inferred" correctly. Bob was implying it (perhaps not intentionally)... and we inferred it.

                     

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                    Anonymous Coward, Jan 20th, 2012 @ 7:52am

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                    No, it's "inferred" in this case, not "implied". "Implied" would be better suited if I was merely saying "By that you, bob, IMPLIED etc etc etc." But the rest of us inferred from what bob was saying etc etc etc. Not professor.

                    Second, those intricate high profile crime investigations are NOT the same as "decide to arrest you and hold you indefinitely" as bob IMPLIED. A tip starts the process, presumably (per your words). At which point a preliminary investigation is begun, from there assuming there does appear to be wrongdoing, further investigation and evidence gathering is conducted.

                    "An indictment comes AFTER a grand jury has heard evidence of your crime presented by the prosecutor."

                    By your own words, there is evidence of wrongdoing AND THEN an indictment comes. Which is essentially the same thing I said up above in my follow-up comment to bob.

                    In your attempt to either defend bob or take a shot at me for pointing out his poor/inaccurate choice of words, you've repeated what I said. You shouldn't be so quick to try and correct others who are merely pointing out problems in what people said. I did bob a favor, pointed out his error, explained how to correct it, and clarified things for others who may have commented after in regards to what bob originally said.

                    Sorry if that makes me come off as "professor". I'd rather have the errors in my thinking/what I say pointed out and corrected, than keep going off sounding/thinking/looking like an idiot. But hey, that's just me.

                     

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                Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 7:55pm

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                "You guys have been listening to the loons in the Internet echo chamber too long."

                Also, it really doesn't help you out to say such things when your often saying things like "big search" "big piracy" etc. If anything, throwing around such terms makes you come off as being a much bigger loon yourself. I'm not saying that to insult you, just point out how it's like the pot calling the kettle black.

                 

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                certainly not anon, too lazy to log in (profile), Jan 20th, 2012 @ 3:03am

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                Taking down a website before any trial is an infringement on DUE PROCESS.

                There has been no trial, and yet the FBI took down a website. On what grounds did the FBI have the right to do this?

                 

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            Colin, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 5:29pm

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            It reminds me of this exchange from "Heathers":

            The MPAA is coming for you just fyi.

             

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            Anonymous Coward, Jan 20th, 2012 @ 12:17am

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            The difference is that you're arrested ON SUSPICION OF COMMITTING A CRIME. Getting another sovereign nation to do your work for you is just lazy.

             

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          Natai (profile), Jan 19th, 2012 @ 8:44pm

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          A good point, but I also think it's important to consider the fundamental difference between a website and a brick-and-mortar business. I somehow doubt that getting a court order to shutdown a physical business with locations in countries around the world would be nearly as easy as getting an order to shut down a site. At a minimum you would typically have to notify and arrest individuals BEFORE closing all the businesses.
          This is one of those situations where I think the internet may need to be treated differently. Just providing the accused with an opportunity to respond to the allegations before switching off their business would go a long way.

           

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          btr1701 (profile), Jan 20th, 2012 @ 12:34am

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          > Grand juries have proceeded in secrecy since the 1600s,
          > and grand jury secrecy is an integral part of due process,
          > not a violation of it.

          A grand jury can't erase a web site from the internet in another country.

           

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      Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:04pm

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      Actually, I think that you are trying to put 2 and 2 together....


      They stayed out of it yesterday, while the protests were going on. They could have EASILY taken down any site they wanted and smothered it with anti-SOPA/PIPA during the protest.

      They didn't. They allowed us to speak our voice.

      This is flat retribution for Megaupload. Don't confused that with the protests.

       

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      Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:06pm

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      regardless of if there are bad actors etc how they executed it is what people are protesting against. Arrest them, go to court, get through trial. THEN take the website down.

      Do not censor the web prior to due process. It looked like they had a good case against Dajaz1 too and look how that turned out.

      This is exactly what people were protesting against.

       

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        Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:10pm

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        regardless of if there are bad actors etc how they executed it is what people are protesting against. Arrest them, go to court, get through trial. THEN take the website down.

        Do not censor the web prior to due process. It looked like they had a good case against Dajaz1 too and look how that turned out.

        This is exactly what people were protesting against.


        No you were busy protesting SOPA. This is longstanding U.S. seizure law. It's been on the books for a long time. Seizure is effectively the arrest of property.

         

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          jjmsan (profile), Jan 19th, 2012 @ 5:03pm

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          Nope, seizure is confiscation of property. Arrest is depriving someone of liberty. Pretrial confiscation is supposed to prevent the destruction or disposal of property before it can be seized. Was there some concern this site would be moved to a different internet?

           

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            Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 8:48pm

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            Wrong again. There is a separate forfeiture hearing regarding the ultimate disposition of the property. There is certainly a threat that the evidence of infringement, money laundering, incriminating e-mails etc would disappear. Seriously, are you slow?

             

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          JMT, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 8:00pm

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          It's amazing that anyone thinks long-standing physical property seizure laws are appropriate for dealing with websites that are nothing but information in the form of electronic data. No surprise that the legal system is lagging a decade or two behind technology.

           

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          Anonymous Coward, Jan 20th, 2012 @ 3:35am

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          Today seizure means legal theft of property for use to finance the excesses of law enforcement.

           

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      Zos (profile), Jan 19th, 2012 @ 5:12pm

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      frag their evidence. Isn't 50 years of drug war enough to teach you not to throw people under the bus?

       

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      Loki, Jan 20th, 2012 @ 6:34am

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      The government may indeed have a very strong case against Megaupload. But even if Megaupload has committed some seriously bad juju they face several serious problems:

      1) The biggest one is that the entertainment industry has cried WOLF!! so many times, even if it turns out to be a wolf, nobody cares to even come look anymore. Real criminal enterprises get ignored, because listening to the entertainment industry everything sounds like a criminal enterprise.

      2) The timing of the takedown could probably not have been worse if they'd tried. Coming just a day after a massive protest amid fears of potential censorship and breaking the internet just makes it look like the government (and by extension the entertainment industry) are just thumbing their noses at people saying "we can just do what we want anyways"

      Even if it was weak though, this threatens to undermine the results of the protests. They can say we just want to defend pirates, not that we are protecting legitimate websites.

      Maybe. But even if they do make such a claim, the speed and thoroughness with which reprisals came also highlights one of the many points that the protests were trying to make: that the people trying to "stem the flow" of piracy have no real understanding of the technology the are attempting to regulate.

      The entertainment industry only exist because of the work of the tech people, and even then they almost always have to be dragged screaming into it while the tech people have long since gone back to working on the tech. The entertainment industry will ALWAYS be behind the tech community no matter how many laws the manage to buy.

       

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    Troglodytarum_venator (profile), Jan 19th, 2012 @ 3:12pm

    I kinda think that this was a standing order for the police in NZ as soon as he entered the country. the Timing is just so so so completely wrong for this to have been set into action right now.

     

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      JMT (profile), Jan 19th, 2012 @ 8:02pm

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      He's been in NZ for a few years.

       

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        Chargone (profile), Jan 21st, 2012 @ 6:39am

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        gets better: the current government has some absolutely bullshit cash for residency deal: dump enough money into the system on the way in and you completely bypass the entire process. (including, so far as i am aware, any part which might check to see if you're a known terrorist etc... ) had the normal system applied various issues with the guys past (less than legal behaviour) would probably have prevented him entering the country.

         

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    ChurchHatesTucker (profile), Jan 19th, 2012 @ 3:15pm

    Whoa!

    It looks like the DOJ is protesting SOPA!!

    http://www.justice.gov/

    (It's sort of busy right now, so just keep clicking if you don't get through right away.)

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 3:45pm

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      I keep refreshing but it doesn't seem to work.

       

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        Troglodytarum_venator (profile), Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:07pm

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        Yeah ... what the hell Chris ... even "Ping -n 1000000" gives me dodgy results!

         

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        Violated (profile), Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:11pm

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        That is what a Distributed Denial Of Service (DDOS) attack is supposed to do. Looking at the bullshit nature of this attack it is little surprise they are firing off their Low Orbit Ion Cannons (LOIC).

        I can't blame them when I can name 150 million users who are a touch upset today. Many lost their lawful content, paid subscriptions, not to forget that the DoJ just declared War.

        Screw the DMCA, screw Justice, when their attack was just to completely fuck them over.

         

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          Jay (profile), Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:47pm

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          You have no idea... All of my legal files that I made? Gone because of a lawsuit that has nothing to do with me. I will do everything in my power to tell people that this is an especially large pile of bs.

           

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            ChurchHatesTucker (profile), Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:54pm

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            Yeah, all of those 'cloud storage' companies have to be a bit nervous right now.

             

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            Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 6:10pm

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            Who told you your files are gone? This is like a bank that was involved in money laundering. The feds seize the bank and they run it. I don't know why they'd want to confiscate your shit unless it was illegal.

            I do expect that the feds will be wanting to talk to anyone with child porn, volumes of infringing content, terrorist training manuals etc. Perhaps some folks should look toward the exit door now. Also, if I was someone getting cash or prizes for uploading infringing content- I'd be concerned about my own personal indictment, as well as a body cavity search from the IRS if I failed to declare the money they paid me as income.

             

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              Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 7:07pm

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              This +1000.

               

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              That Anonymous Coward (profile), Jan 20th, 2012 @ 12:37am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Whoa!

              Except they will ask the **AA's what is infringing, and they use the awesome technology of we don't like it its infringing.
              The guys name is Usher it must be a song, even if he is a professor that shares the same name.
              We uploaded this ourselves, it must be infringing.

               

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              btr1701 (profile), Jan 20th, 2012 @ 12:44am

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              > This is like a bank that was involved in money laundering.
              > The feds seize the bank and they run it.

              Then why isn't MegaUpload still running, Einstein? Why don't the innocent people have access to their files the same way they'd have access to their money at a seized bank?

               

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      Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:14pm

      Re: Whoa!

      By visiting any of the website currently being desecrated by anonymous you are participating in the attack. You will be hence for charged as so.

       

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        FuzzyDuck, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 6:19pm

        Re: Re: Whoa!

        Bull shit.

        Sites charging their visitors, people who only try to load a few pages, for participating in a DDOS attack? Now granted there are a lot of morons in charge in the US, but I doubt they are /that/ stupid. Or maybe they are but a log file with a few entries with your IP isn't going to stand up as evidence of participation in court.

         

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          Chargone (profile), Jan 21st, 2012 @ 6:43am

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          ... well, so one would like to think.

          reality has a way of proving that people can be infinitely more stupid, and never the less somehow Effective, than you'd think.

           

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      Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 6:12pm

      Re: Whoa!

      Do you have a screen cap?

      It's seems to be something nice to add to the SOPA blackout gallery.

       

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 3:15pm

    This is good and also bad.

    Public: Hah! We taught them a lesson-
    RIAA: CURSE YOU, PIRACY!
    Public: D:

     

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    Pjerky (profile), Jan 19th, 2012 @ 3:16pm

    Our Government/Entertainment Industry must be stopped!!!

    Looks like the government is at it again. Megaupload is just like YouTube or PhotoBucket. It allows users to upload whatever they want. But like YouTube and PhotoBucket they also have DMCA takedown procedures. Legally they should be covered by the SafeHarbor provisions for service providers as long as they comply with DMCA takedown procedures.

    This is just ridiculous. You know the entertainment industry would have done this to YouTube already had it not been for the fact that a gigantic corporation with the power to fight back owns it. There was a complete violation of due process in this case.

    Not only that but they are having foreign governments arrest their own citizens for breaking AMERICAN laws. This is a complete overreach of government powers. But then maybe our government thinks that protections only apply to US citizens.

     

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      demented, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 3:18pm

      Re: Our Government/Entertainment Industry must be stopped!!!

      "... maybe our government thinks that protections only apply to US citizens who have lots of money and make huge 'donations.'"

      FIFY.

       

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      BlackBloc, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 3:43pm

      Re: Our Government/Entertainment Industry must be stopped!!!

      I've read the indictment (or a good chunk at least, before I almost fell asleep from legalese). If half the claims in there are true, Megaupload is fucked. There are some very specific grievances that makes this different from a YouTube, assuming they were founded.

      Apparently if you uploaded a file that was already there, they would not spawn a new copy but they'd generate a new link. Any takedown request would only disable that one link, meaning it was more or less useless for content owners to request a takedown. Even though Megaupload had the tools to take down all the links at once, they would not do so.

      There's also allegations that the site was used by the people running it to themselves commit copyright infringements, and that it was also used as a money laundering scheme.

       

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        bob, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:13pm

        Re: Re: Our Government/Entertainment Industry must be stopped!!!

        What do people expect? These aren't the shining lights of propriety. They're not interested in sharing any of that money with the folks who did the heavy lifting. So it's not surprising that they're caught up in money laundering allegations.

         

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          The eejit (profile), Jan 20th, 2012 @ 2:25am

          Re: Re: Re: Our Government/Entertainment Industry must be stopped!!!

          And yet, MU were in talks directly with artists about making money for the artists. Funny how that works.

           

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            certainly not anon, too lazy to log in (profile), Jan 20th, 2012 @ 3:11am

            Re: Re: Re: Re: Our Government/Entertainment Industry must be stopped!!!

            This was a total grab for control. The RIAA couldn't have it happening that artists would 'make money' through other means than their jacked up services, thus they asked their good friends over at the DOJ and FBI to get the site hijacked sorry taken down, and have the owners arrested.

             

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        mischab1, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:33pm

        Re: Re: Our Government/Entertainment Industry must be stopped!!!

        Apparently if you uploaded a file that was already there, they would not spawn a new copy but they'd generate a new link. Any takedown request would only disable that one link,

        But that makes perfect sense. Just because one copy (link) of the file was copyright infringement doesn't mean ALL copies were infringement. Some of them could be personal unshared backups or some other fair use.

        On the other hand, it would have been better if Megaupload had some process to give the other links greater scrutiny.

         

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          Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:57pm

          Re: Re: Re: Our Government/Entertainment Industry must be stopped!!!

          What he said. If I had decided to pay for a sub and backup my lawfully acquired music collection to MegaUpload - I'd be losing my data anytime someone else committed an act of infringement. It's the way the had to do it to make sure they weren't screwing over people who were legally storing files.

           

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      mcbeese, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:58pm

      Re: Our Government/Entertainment Industry must be stopped!!!

      "Legally they should be covered by the SafeHarbor provisions for service providers as long as they comply with DMCA takedown procedures."

      They regularly didn't comply with DMCA takedown procedures.

       

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        That Anonymous Coward (profile), Jan 20th, 2012 @ 12:38am

        Re: Re: Our Government/Entertainment Industry must be stopped!!!

        [Citation needed]

         

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        btr1701 (profile), Jan 20th, 2012 @ 12:48am

        Re: Re: Our Government/Entertainment Industry must be stopped!!!

        > They regularly didn't comply with DMCA takedown procedures.

        Why should they have to? The DMCA is a US law. The site was owned and located in Hong Kong.

        Did Hong Kong become the 51st state or something while I was on vacation?

         

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          certainly not anon, too lazy to log in (profile), Jan 20th, 2012 @ 3:20am

          Re: Re: Re: Our Government/Entertainment Industry must be stopped!!!

          The trolls haven't learned since the Pirate Bay's public taunts for sending DMCA requests to a Swedish site.

           

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          Jeremy, Jan 20th, 2012 @ 9:04am

          Re: Re: Re: Our Government/Entertainment Industry must be stopped!!!

          Megaupload has servers in the United States you idiot. There is a lot of sheer stupidity being thrown around on this matter.

           

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            Chargone (profile), Jan 21st, 2012 @ 6:45am

            Re: Re: Re: Re: Our Government/Entertainment Industry must be stopped!!!

            ... you do know the difference between stupidity and ignorance...

            right?

             

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      gorehound (profile), Jan 19th, 2012 @ 5:30pm

      Re: Our Government/Entertainment Industry must be stopped!!!

      I am on a total Boycott of all Big Content.I have a Facebook Group called Boycott Big Content
      I am happy to see Anonymous do its thing.The Government has mocked yesterday's protests and they will in fact try if not now then later this year to pass some kind of Censorship Bill.They have lied and schemed and took Corporate Money so it is high time for payback.

       

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        bob, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 6:09pm

        Re: Re: Our Government/Entertainment Industry must be stopped!!!

        Take a look at Big Search. They're even bigger and scarier than Big Content.

         

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          FuzzyDuck, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 6:24pm

          Re: Re: Re: Our Government/Entertainment Industry must be stopped!!!

          Big Search isn't busy trying to destroy the Internet, trying to buy our politician or trying to remove our rights.

          Fuck Big Content.

           

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            Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 8:57pm

            Re: Re: Re: Re: Our Government/Entertainment Industry must be stopped!!!

            Big Search isn't busy trying to destroy the Internet,

            No just exploit it

            trying to buy our politician

            you obviously didn't hear about the hundred + lobbyist Google employed in DC

            or trying to remove our rights.

            Just your right to privacy

            Fuck Big Content.

            Yet you are hopelessly addicted. How sad.

             

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              demented, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 9:15pm

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Our Government/Entertainment Industry must be stopped!!!

              It's even sadder when there are open, proud shills for Big Content.

              I'll take Big Search anyday. At least they haven't violated our rights and whined if there are any obstacles to doing so.

               

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                PaulT (profile), Jan 20th, 2012 @ 1:17am

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Our Government/Entertainment Industry must be stopped!!!

                "open, proud shills"

                No, they're quite accurately labelled as anonymous cowards. If they were open and proud, they wouldn't feel the need to hide their identities to shield repercussions from their idiocy and lies.

                 

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                  Anonymous Coward, Jan 20th, 2012 @ 3:39am

                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Our Government/Entertainment Industry must be stopped!!!

                  Hey, watch it!
                  I read that.

                   

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              btr1701 (profile), Jan 20th, 2012 @ 12:49am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Our Government/Entertainment Industry must be stopped!!!

              > No just exploit it

              What's wrong with that?

               

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              The eejit (profile), Jan 20th, 2012 @ 2:32am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Our Government/Entertainment Industry must be stopped!!!

              No just exploit it

              I thought that was free-market principles?

              you obviously didn't hear about the hundred + lobbyist Google employed in DC

              AS opposed to...the many hundreds of thousands employed by Big Content.

              Just your right to privacy

              Like the MAFIAA have been trying to do for the past ten years...

              Yet you are hopelessly addicted. How sad.

              My last major media purchases were the Humble Indie Bundles. I don't need Skyrim or CallofModernBattlefieldDutyWarfare 9001.

               

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              btrussell (profile), Jan 20th, 2012 @ 9:54am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Our Government/Entertainment Industry must be stopped!!!

              "Yet you are hopelessly addicted."

              Addictive?

              We need to eliminate addictive substances.

              Seems it creates more problems than pot, but much easier to eliminate.

               

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                Marcel de Jong (profile), Jan 23rd, 2012 @ 4:03am

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Our Government/Entertainment Industry must be stopped!!!

                I'm on a cold turkey detox. I'm thinking I'm not missing much though.

                 

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      Dave Keays, Jan 20th, 2012 @ 9:54am

      Re: Our Government/Entertainment Industry must be stopped!!!

      My understanding is that it would require American web services to block foreign services it condemned. The bit about demanding foreigners to be jailed is new to me.

      Anonymous ruined the possibility of a civilized dialog on SOPA and PIPAA. They've given the common enemy reason to fight with the big guns and now it will turn into a cage fight. I wonder who will get KO'd first. Time for me to sit down and quit letting the legislatures know their errand ways.

      Too bad they weren't patient enough to give peace a chance. Bunch of 13 yo script kiddies.

       

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 3:18pm

    I'm afraid anonymous may have been played. What the content industry needs most right now is for someone to change the subject, and thanks to anonymous, they just got it. Anonymous has taken the bait, as they say.

    The conversation will now move away from the incredible democratic outpouring by millions of ordinary citizens around the world toward the lawless acts by anonymous.

    Next we'll start to see op-eds about why the Internet is too wild as it is and needs more government control.

    IMO this is a terrible turn of events for SOPA/PIPA opponents.

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 3:25pm

      Re:

      As funny as the anonymous acts are, I have to agree. This really required the Gandhi approach of letting them beat down people till an uproar from everyone was heard. Picking up sticks ourselves just makes it seem like they're justified.

       

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        Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 3:30pm

        Re: Re:

        The Gandhi approach works best when there are millions of people who will react badly if you beat down on Gandhi, so in many ways this is the Gandhi approach.

         

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          Troglodytarum_venator (profile), Jan 19th, 2012 @ 3:33pm

          Re: Re: Re:

          Ah, but the true question is ....
          If someone took a stick to a Record label CEO .. would anyone care ?

           

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            demented, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 3:34pm

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            No, they'd record it and upload it to youtube for the masses' entertainment. I know I would do that!

             

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              Troglodytarum_venator (profile), Jan 19th, 2012 @ 3:37pm

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

              =) me too.
              The point i was trying to make tho is that the Ghandi approach only works if you can pull off looking like a victim.
              10+ Years of the media industry playing the bully has me not all that sympathetic to them getting beat on.

               

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              DogBreath, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 8:10pm

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              No, no one would care (maybe the stick might not want to touch a Record label CEO), but the Record label CEO would claim that his cries of "Ouch! Somebody help me!" produced by him in a now tangible medium, was copyrighted audio and would file a DMCA claim to get Youtube to take it down, then sue the person who recorded it for violating his publicity rights.

              They'll do "anything" for money.

               

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            btrussell (profile), Jan 20th, 2012 @ 9:56am

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            They are so full of shit, you wouldn't even hear a splat!

             

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          Anonymous Coward, Jan 20th, 2012 @ 12:10am

          Re: Re: Re:

          Not quite: this is more like the Civil Rights, where we had MLK and Malcolm X. One promised peaceful change, but if that failed, there was always revolutionary talk as a fallback.

           

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          Anonymous Coward, Jan 20th, 2012 @ 12:00pm

          If I remember correctly...

          Things didn't end well for Gandhi.

           

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        MrWilson, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 3:36pm

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        To be fair, Gandhi was fighting foreign oppression. We're fighting the efforts of our own countrymen and our own government officials. The French monarchy would have continued to beat people into submission had the French revolutionaries decided to try pacifism instead of uprising.

        I'm not saying I support an actual armed response, mind you. This is all a metaphor for political actions rather than military ones.

         

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          Go Anon, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 3:49pm

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          >To be fair, Gandhi was fighting foreign oppression. We're fighting the efforts of our own countrymen and our own government officials.

          Hey, for some of us this is an issue of fighting foreign oppression. The US gov should bloody well stop forcing its legal system down other countries throats...

           

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      Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 3:40pm

      Re:

      I'm afraid anonymous may have been played. What the content industry needs most right now is for someone to change the subject, and thanks to anonymous, they just got it. Anonymous has taken the bait, as they say.

      The conversation will now move away from the incredible democratic outpouring by millions of ordinary citizens around the world toward the lawless acts by anonymous.

      Next we'll start to see op-eds about why the Internet is too wild as it is and needs more government control.

      IMO this is a terrible turn of events for SOPA/PIPA opponents.


      I don't know whether it was a set-up or not, but the effect will be the same. Cyber-terrorism will be the new mantra. And the laws based on terrorist threats like the Patriot Act will pale in comparison to the laws invoked in the name of cyber-terrorism. Skirmish won, war lost.

       

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        demented, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 3:47pm

        Re: Re:

        The war's not over yet. Never give up, never stop fighting.

        The sketchy timing of Megaupload's seizure and the way it was handled are ugly aspects that I doubt the government will be able to explain.

         

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          Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:21pm

          Re: Re: Re:

          There's an easy explanation. Obama needs tech, net roots and Hollywood to win. Throw Hollywood under the bus by siding with tech and pretending they care about the unwashed former Occupy __________ who signed petitions and sent e-mail. Then pull Hollywood out from under the bus, brush them off with a spectacular bust of one of their major boogeymen. Next step will be to tighten screws on treaties tying aid, commerce or defense to copyright and extradition. Rinse and repeat. Oh, and after today's "cyber-terrorist" attack, 1/19 will be the little brother of 9/11 and spawn Cyber-Patriot bills that will make SOPA look like a breath of fresh air and enlightenment.

           

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        Anonymous Coward, Jan 20th, 2012 @ 6:05am

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        Skirmish won, war lost.

        No I don't think it's lost by a long shot. Some of them, as the protests/blackout showed, are getting upset because of the entertainment industry's effort to try to control the net, legislate away potential competition, and treat it's customers like criminals.

        A lot more people, however, are getting angry because of the continued financial problems of this country and the abuses/mismanagement of financial institutions and the failure of government to rectify these matters. People who I hear, almost on a daily basis, complaining about losing/having lost thousands, sometimes tens of thousands, of dollars in 401Ks/retirement funds/savings. I even personally know of two examples of people losing jobs, not being able to afford/acquire needed meds and passing away.

        These people don't really care about the internet, or media, or "file sharing", or even so much about civil liberties to some extent. They neither know about, nor care about anonymous. What they are getting upset about is hearing about Congress "wasting time catering to a bunch of people with inflated senses of entitlement who want to complain about not being able to make money for doing nothing while they continue to cut our benefits, raise our taxes, and not fix the stupid economy."

        No, the truth of the matter is the war hasn't even really started heating up yet.

         

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          Anonymous Coward, Jan 20th, 2012 @ 6:17am

          Re: Re: Re:

          A lot more people, however, are getting angry because of the continued financial problems of this country and the abuses/mismanagement of financial institutions and the failure of government to rectify these matters. People who I hear, almost on a daily basis, complaining about losing/having lost thousands, sometimes tens of thousands, of dollars in 401Ks/retirement funds/savings. I even personally know of two examples of people losing jobs, not being able to afford/acquire needed meds and passing away.

          Funny that 7 million will sign a Google petition, websites around the world will go dark to promote continued access to free content- yet not much about the real ills of the country. Shows where your priorities lie, I suppose.

           

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            PaulT (profile), Jan 20th, 2012 @ 6:34am

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            Yes, because the Occupy movement doesn't exist, and none of these other issues are ever discussed.

            "websites around the world will go dark to promote continued access to free content"

            Your pro-corporate, lying bullshit accepting bias is showing.

             

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              Anonymous Coward, Jan 20th, 2012 @ 8:11am

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              Where's your moral outrage over Romney paying taxes at a rate lower than his chauffeur? Where is your outrage over people without health insurance facing a choice between bankruptcy or medical care?

              I guess you spent it all on the possibility of not being able to get free movies and music. Pitiful.

               

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                PaulT (profile), Jan 20th, 2012 @ 8:21am

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                If you'd spend 10 seconds not being a drooling moron and actually look at the public information I post in my profile, you'd see I'm not American, nor do I reside there. Romney's actions and the setup of your screwed-up healthcare system don't impact me in any way.

                SOPA, on the other hand will, as it's specifically directed at sites that are legal in my country, and which service demand that your corporate gods won't. So, that explains my difference in opinion without having to overstretch your feeble mind, even before I start correcting you about the lies you're trying to spead about my character (hint: I pay for my media, asshole).

                But as we know, your kind are allergic to facts, since they undermine every weak position you hold and require intelligent thought.

                 

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                The eejit (profile), Jan 20th, 2012 @ 11:34am

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                I have more than enough outrage to power fucking China, never mind your pissant little country! Oddly enough, I can even vent my spleen at more than one thing at once!

                Marvellous, having an evil twin to take care of the loittle things...like posting here.

                 

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          btrussell (profile), Jan 20th, 2012 @ 10:01am

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          The only way to win is to quit giving them money.

          Not only quit buying but quit watching/listening.

          Watching movies you already own is no different than watching tv anyway.

           

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    kleuske (profile), Jan 19th, 2012 @ 3:24pm

    snigger

    Give 'm hell, Anons. Don't get caught.

     

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    Another Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 3:25pm

    Why can't these guys do the same to the IRS? Just kidding;) Really.

     

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    Another Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 3:25pm

    Why can't these guys do the same to the IRS? Just kidding;) Really.

     

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    gojomo (profile), Jan 19th, 2012 @ 3:33pm

    So censorship by the government is wrong, but censorship by 'Anonymous' is teaching a valuable moral lesson?

    I prefer: all censorship is wrong.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 3:35pm

    If I were a member of Anonymous, I'd start preparing for an extended vacation on a sunny island south of Florida.

     

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    Dave, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 3:37pm

    PIPA SOPA crap

    From what I believe is that these are all a political farce. The party that brings these acts down wins the vote!!

     

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    ervserver (profile), Jan 19th, 2012 @ 3:37pm

    war has been declared - I don't think the US govt will win in the end

     

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    KingFisher, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 3:39pm

    Poor judgement on Anonymous

    Seriously this isn't going to help people who are opposed to SOPA and PIPA. This was bait. Bait, lined and hooked. Anonymous fell right into the trap that supporters of SOPA and PIPA and internet censorship. This will just diminish our credibility. Way to go Anon. You fucked the internet users over. This makes me so mad. We had a good momentum going and this strike back is just going to make things worse for internet activists.

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 3:41pm

      Re: Poor judgement on Anonymous

      Actually before yesterday it might have been.
      Today with everyone wondering what the heck the government is doing immediately after yesterday, the authorities may find that they've bitten off more than they can chew.

       

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      Chronno S. Trigger (profile), Jan 19th, 2012 @ 3:45pm

      Re: Poor judgement on Anonymous

      "We had a good momentum going and this strike back is just going to make things worse for internet activists."

      If this is true, then we had no momentum at all. If this one action by Anonymous was able to turn the US government against what we did yesterday, then the US government was never turned our way to begin with.

       

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        demented, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 3:49pm

        Re: Re: Poor judgement on Anonymous

        Good point. I think the actions of the JD may enrage people even further and inspire them to keep fighting.

         

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        Suja (profile), Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:45pm

        Re: Re: Poor judgement on Anonymous

        yeah i think you pretty much said it

        though i think it was already true to begin with, the government was never on nobodies side but their own

        you know what they say about governments are like diapers, well i think it's time for a serious diaper change

         

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        Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:57pm

        Re: Re: Poor judgement on Anonymous

        Seems like this may have changed the paradigm. New battle lines: US gov't versus cyber-terrorists. Very different than: Censorship v. Free Expression.

         

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          Natai (profile), Jan 19th, 2012 @ 8:56pm

          Re: Re: Re: Poor judgement on Anonymous

          I agree that Anon may have made a mistake here, but I think the government has to be cautious too. A lot of people have come out against SOPA/PIPA lately, and the government's actions and timing were not well chosen. If the government handles this poorly, we may see larger groups within the mainstream population start viewing Anonymous more sympathetically.

          There is no scenario where large numbers of average people even having to think about if they should side with the government or a group of "cyber-terrorists" is a good thing for the government. This needs to be handled intelligence and rational consideration. Unfortunately, the government has not displayed much of either lately.

           

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    The Anonymous Buddha, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 3:40pm

    Go Anonymous! I support ya! Keep up the good work! This is what they need. Of the people against SOPA, can get behind this.

     

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    Benjo (profile), Jan 19th, 2012 @ 3:40pm

    How does it feel?

    For seem reason I feel like censoring these sites isn't going teach them anything. So, in all likely hook this is largely counter-productive but still funny.

     

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    xenomancer (profile), Jan 19th, 2012 @ 3:43pm

    Fire! Fire! Fire!

    Hello DOJ, MPAA, RIAA, hadopi, BMI, UMG, copyright.gov, ...

    I'm in your internetz, crippling your websites.

    We asked them to respect us. They kicked dirt in our faces and called us names.
    We told them we wouldn't be kind when pushed too hard. They laughed and spread rumors of false entitlement while enjoying the profits of others' labor.
    We told them to expect us. They took down Megaupload.
    We returned fire. They cried with regret under OpMegaupload.

    It has been confirmed (on IRC), this is the largest attack with LOIC in history.

     

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      xenomancer (profile), Jan 19th, 2012 @ 3:46pm

      Re: Fire! Fire! Fire!

      5635 people on LOIC as of 6pm EST.

       

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        Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:00pm

        Re: Re: Fire! Fire! Fire!

        Why would you need loic? I have the same functions from my console

         

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          xenomancer (profile), Jan 19th, 2012 @ 6:36pm

          Re: Re: Re: Fire! Fire! Fire!

          Not all of the newfags are as tech savvy. They wanted a button on the screen, so we gave them one. Then they wanted a button that didn't require them to download anything, so we gave them a javascript version. The same way we gave them a web version of IRC that just takes the click of a link to access, we're making it easier for them to get in on the action. Its basic capitalism and attention is the currency. Cater to your market or they go elsewhere.

           

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 3:44pm

    There's an ongoing civil case against MegaUpload, so a criminal case now is a bad idea.

    If MU wins the civil case, then the criminal one will have a massive hole shot in it.

    It's easier to win a civil tort case than it is a criminal one, QED OJ Simpson.

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:30pm

      Re:

      There's an ongoing civil case against MegaUpload, so a criminal case now is a bad idea.

      If MU wins the civil case, then the criminal one will have a massive hole shot in it.

      It's easier to win a civil tort case than it is a criminal one, QED OJ Simpson.


      Everything (evidence, depositions, etc) from the civil case will come to play in the criminal one. Seizure of the bank accounts alone will be a bitch for both cases. And like Ninjavideo, the smartest one will rat out the others and walk, the rest will be keeping O'Dwyer company.

       

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        The eejit (profile), Jan 20th, 2012 @ 2:38am

        Re: Re:

        o'Dwyer, the same guy who never actually broke his sovereign nation's law and yet still has to face up to 20 years in US jails?

        yeah, I think America has lost the face of its father.

         

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          Anonymous Coward, Jan 20th, 2012 @ 6:14am

          Re: Re: Re:

          Well, well, well... Lord Herpsly of Derpington speaks. Yes, that O'Dwyer. The dope who foolishly exposed himself to US jurisdiction. Not unlike the halfwits from Megaupload.

           

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            The eejit (profile), Jan 20th, 2012 @ 11:36am

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            How? His servers were hosted in the UK and the Netherlands, NOT the US.

             

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              PaulT (profile), Jan 20th, 2012 @ 11:18pm

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              One of the many logical and personal flaws I've noticed about the ACs is a deep seated sense of entitlement on the behalf of the US. Not too long ago, I was arguing with one of these pricks (possibly the same guy above) about the RojaDirect case and trying to explain why, since the activity on the site was perfectly legal in Spain, subjecting the site to US law was not only stupid, but illogical.

              His response was that since the site served pages in English, the site must be targeting the US. It didn't occur to him that there's hundreds of thousands of British ex-pats in Spain, that there's millions of English speaking tourists in the country every year who would have no other way to access the content while here, or that there's hundreds of millions of English speakers within Europe. No, according to this idiot, any site in the English language has to be directly targeting the US.

              Once again, these people have no concept of reality. In this moron's mind, whatever he's decided the US law is should be applicable to the entire planet, because his masters feel entitled to absolute control.

               

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    HUMAN, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 3:55pm

    Like I typed before that this has been going on for two years now.

    Anyone who believes that their copywritten material has been infringed upon? Can get the ISP to take down the information, and there is also financial repercussions.

    But it is not limited to just lawsuits with in this country, but also from other countries members.

    The ACLU also supported this from the get go.
    Forget about the aclu helping you out in Freedom Of Speech issues when it comes to the internet.

    The ones who really come out really sweet ARE The Lawyers.
    Then you got First To file vs. First to invent, and in the U.S. it use to be for 200 years First To Invent vs. First to File, but not anymore.

    Obamacare does NOT include the Severely Disabled community of which they USED them to push it "Obamacare" through.

     

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    Always Right, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 3:56pm

    SOPA is SUCH a FAIL. I mean, Congress, are you serious? Taking off internet? I swear, if that law passes, this country will be in chaos. You know all those crazy teenagers that are obsessed with Facebook? Take that away we'll have a serious riot on our hands. Actually, your hands. Your fault.Your just being stupid Congress! For a group of smart-political people, your making a BIG mistake by even MAKING the law.

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 5:50pm

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      What kind of idiot thinks SOPA would take down Facebook? LOL

       

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        demented, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 9:19pm

        Re: Re:

        One who is smarter than you?

         

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          That Anonymous Coward (profile), Jan 20th, 2012 @ 3:21am

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          Actually Facebook would stay up, only because of the sheer amount of data they keep on people. Its better than the secret Hoover files they kept on the "bad peoples".
          Facebook is more than willing to hand it over to anyone with the right money.

           

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:05pm

    When will the government learn: don't muck with the internet?

    Really? I think it's just part of their agenda.

    - Step one: seize "rogue site".
    - Step two: watch attacks poor in and start logging software.
    - Step three: point out that pirates are helping the rogue sites and use that to push more bad laws.
    - Step four: arrest a few "protester" and have them extradited.
    - Step five: be very very public about it.

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 6:15pm

      Re:

      When will the government learn: don't muck with the internet?

      Really? I think it's just part of their agenda.

      - Step one: seize "rogue site".
      - Step two: watch attacks poor in and start logging software.
      - Step three: point out that pirates are helping the rogue sites and use that to push more bad laws.
      - Step four: arrest a few "protester" and have them extradited.
      - Step five: be very very public about it.

      - Step six: ??
      - Step seven: PROFIT!!

      FTFY

       

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:06pm

    As the government soweth, that shall it also reap...BEYOTCHES!

     

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    Tim Edwards (profile), Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:07pm

    Devonavar:

    I agree with part of point #1. The fact that there was no due process (at least that I heard of) seems to be a travesty. BUT... there was no violation of the right to free speech. No ones voice was forced into silence while trying to voice an opinion.

    I also agree with part of point #2 neither the company nor its principals are subject to American laws - BUT by choosing to do business in the United States (renting server space in northern Virginia), they opened themselves up to those laws.

    You also fail to acknowledge the fact that it wasn't US law enforcement going to NZ to execute the detainment of these people, it was in fact NZ law enforcement cooperating with the USDOJ / FBI in this matter.

    I feel that all the work that was being done yesterday to avoid the possibility of passing poorly written and one sided legislation may have been undone in a matter of short hours by a group of anonymous people not willing to stand up under their real names (which most of the people that protested yesterday did by the way) and take responsibility for what they have done and said.

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 5:53pm

      Re:

      I feel that all the work that was being done yesterday to avoid the possibility of passing poorly written and one sided legislation may have been undone in a matter of short hours by a group of anonymous people not willing to stand up under their real names (which most of the people that protested yesterday did by the way) and take responsibility for what they have done and said.

      And you would be correct.

      How many congressman now want to be known as supporters of cyber terrorists?

       

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        Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 6:18pm

        Re: Re:

        "I feel that all the work that was being done yesterday to avoid the possibility of passing poorly written and one sided legislation may have been undone in a matter of short hours by a group of anonymous people not willing to stand up under their real names (which most of the people that protested yesterday did by the way) and take responsibility for what they have done and said."

        And you would be correct.

        How many congressman now want to be known as supporters of cyber terrorists?


        Don't know of any members of Congress, but I do know of a certain douchebag Senator who will be paying a price for his relationship with Anonymous. This is going to get hung around Wyden's neck like a burning tire:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiMG6A_kUBY

         

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      Natai (profile), Jan 19th, 2012 @ 9:03pm

      Re:

      Well said.
      Of course, there may a significant number of content creators who are now unable to retrieve their own data, which I have a serious problem with. If the government wants to move forward smartly, their next step should be to allow users to access Megaupload to download their own files. Just order the site back online for 48 hours, no uploads, no deleting files, no downloading from other users, just access your own stuff.

       

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      Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 9:49pm

      Re:

      There is an incredible amount of free speech included the files contained on the servers the FBI confiscated (I'm not talking about copyrighted material). This is exactly the kind attack on freedom we are afraid of.

       

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      Anonymous Coward, Jan 20th, 2012 @ 12:14am

      Response to: Tim Edwards on Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:07pm

      Bollocks. By that standard, any Afghan can legally file a criminal suit against POTUS and have him extradited. Or any Iraqi.

       

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:07pm

    When will the government learn: don't muck with the internet?

    Keep up the cheerleading, Chubby. I'll bet you see a Cyber-Patriot Act come out of the Republican Congress and signed by a Republican President within in a year's time. No one is going to tolerate the kind of cyber-terrorism sponsored by your friends at Anonymous. This is a prime example of what lawlessness on the internet promotes. Thanks for the gift.

     

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      demented, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:12pm

      Re:

      I'm sure you and your corporate/MAFIAA buds don't understand this, but I'd rather live in a semi-lawless country than a fascist one. Less dangerous.

       

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      Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:17pm

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      I think you missed the part where "cyber-terrorism" is already illegal on your imaginary "lawless internet."

       

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      Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:17pm

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      I think you missed the part where "cyber-terrorism" is already illegal on your imaginary "lawless internet."

       

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      Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:18pm

      Re:

       

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      Suja (profile), Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:51pm

      Re:

      This is a prime example of what lawlessness on the internet promotes.


      if you mean "lawlessness" as in "dosen't give a fuck about oppressive, broken bullshit laws like copyright" you're right

      if you mean "lawlessness" as in saying a nice big "FUCK YOU" to the true leeches and trash of society, you're abso-fucking-lutely right

      if this is the kind of "lawlessness" the internet promotes, then i hope it never stops

      i hope it goes on, 'till the next things that's censored is the MAFIAA, and all their supporters... "permanently"

       

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      Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 5:26pm

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      Lawless? The US is extraditing people from countries where they haven't broken any laws. If anything is lawless it's the US government.

       

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      E. Zachary Knight (profile), Jan 19th, 2012 @ 8:14pm

      Re:

      Ummm. Today is Jan 19. The president is not sworn into office until Jan 21 the year following the election. Which means it will take more than a year for a republican president to sign SOPA into law if it gets to that point.

       

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    Brent Ashley (profile), Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:08pm

    Operation IP Freedom

    It was only a matter of time before Megaupload was brought to justice and all the IP was freed from this tyrannical regime.

    Serves them right for continuing to develop Weapons of Mass Distribution.

    Oh yeah, sure, they say they're just a bitlocker, but those are entertainment-grade bits.

    Mission accomplished.

     

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    ervserver (profile), Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:22pm

    SOPA

    This action confirms what everyone has been saying, SOPA isn't needed the US Govt can already deal with foreign websites.

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:24pm

      Re: SOPA

      This action confirms what everyone has been saying, SOPA isn't needed the US Govt can already deal with foreign websites.

      So are you saying that you prefer this sort of seizure to Megaupload being delisted from US search engines and having its payment processor and ad accounts curtailed?

       

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        Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:26pm

        Re: Re: SOPA

        No, what he is saying is that the supporters of SOPA claimed there was no way to deal with sites they called rogue that were outside of US jurisdiction.
        This demonstrates that not only are there ways but the ways they already have are complete overkill so they certainly don't need even more powers.

         

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          Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:40pm

          Re: Re: Re: SOPA

          Megaupload had the misfortune to lease servers in Virginia, subjecting it to the jurisdiction of the United States.

           

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            Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:42pm

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            That's how it works?

            Cool, I think Apple, Microsoft and others have some equipment in Ireland, perhaps the Irish can shut them down and extradite their CEO's if they believe them guilty of some crime or other like I don't know, patent infringement.

             

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              Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:52pm

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: SOPA

              Not sure that patent infringement is a criminal offense in Ireland. But I'll bet money laundering is. You're not comparing Megaupload to Apple or MS are you?

               

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                Planespotter (profile), Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:59pm

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: SOPA

                Seems you have already made up your mind... better call ICE and tell 'em that you don't need a judge or jury. Guilty as accused, no need for a trial.

                 

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                Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 5:01pm

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: SOPA

                Well now that's right lets focus on what you feel about the rightness or wrongness of the business models used and not about the ridiculous amount of power a government could exercise.

                I think a very good case could be made against pretty much any electronics company for child endangerment given the nature of the places producing those devices.

                I would consider child endangerment more serious than money laundering... see, its not just copyright maximalist who can play why won't anyone think of the children, it's incredibly flexible.

                 

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                  Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 5:02pm

                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: SOPA

                  mind you copyright infringement used to be a civil matter which somehow is now a criminal matter when it suits the US administration.

                  Goodness, can a western country actually go any more rogue in any more ways than the US has done over the last 12 years.

                   

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                    Just John (profile), Jan 19th, 2012 @ 10:42pm

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                    They say that approximately 70% of the prison population are drug related crimes since our "war on drugs" campaign started, and many of those are casual users. Smoke a little pot, get down with Bubu tonight.

                    Now it is the "war on pirates". Download an mp3, get down with Bubu tonight.

                    Am I the only one who find it extremely stupid?

                     

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                      The eejit (profile), Jan 20th, 2012 @ 11:37am

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                      Well, I find it laughable, but that's only because if I didn't, there'd be a lot of blood on the streets.

                      *Cheshire cat grin*

                       

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                Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 9:54pm

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: SOPA

                NATJAPS - Not a troll, just another paid shill

                 

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:23pm

    this is the icing on the cake!


    A spokesman for the MPAA told the Associated Press in an email Thursday that the group's site had been hacked.

    "The motion picture and television industry has always been a strong supporter of free speech," the spokesman said. "We strongly condemn any attempts to silence any groups or individuals."

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:25pm

    Well with megaupload taken down, the music and movie industry will be better off by 10 million dollars a month at least.
    That is assuming the loss to the rights holders of over 500 million dollars over 5 years is correct.

    So now lets watch them sit back while their coffers overflow.
    Or is it possible, that, that won't happen.

     

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      Natai (profile), Jan 19th, 2012 @ 9:08pm

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      The most intelligent thing these so-called "rogue" sites could do would be to voluntarily black themselves out for a month. Then just point to the sales data from that month and laugh.

       

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    submetropolis (profile), Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:44pm

    Yesterday was peaceful. Today not so much

    Being that I'm completely sick of the government's BS. I hope they pass SOPA, NDAA and the like. I hope people really start to see how FUCT our government has become. God forbid if Twitter, youtube or Facebook went down. Then we'd have a real revolution.

     

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      LyleD, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 5:08pm

      Re: Yesterday was peaceful. Today not so much

      I have to agree.. I hope everything passes and that it wakes up the citizens.. The US Government is not this worlds Sheriff.. More like the rich kid bully in the playground..

      Won't be long now till you'll be in yet another war with Iran this time and your sekrit prisons will be overflowing with renditioned file-sharers..

      Your Government makes me sick!

       

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    Suja (profile), Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:53pm

    and so world war 3 starts today, time to sharpen the knife and put on the combat boots, who knew it would take place on internet?

     

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    Chilly8, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 4:58pm

    There is one fundamental difference between Megaupload and TVShack. Megaupload had its servers at a US data center. That makes the servers subject to US laws, and only to US laws. Megaupload should have realised that and located their US servers elswhere.

     

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    B, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 5:16pm

    WTG Anon :)

    the whole idea of controlling the content of the internet is laughable. Only an ancient group of mislead fools would think they are rich and mighty enough to control people and ideas on the largest information network in existence. Not only are they ignorant to think they can pull it off but they are even bigger asshats for not understanding why it wont work. SOPA/PIPA are non issues, They are locks on glass pane windows. We dont need a key, We'll break it. I'd like to see everyone stand together and OUR internet will likely be a major component of that process. Soon enough people all over the world will become aware and make this sort of oppression just a blink of an eye in human history.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 5:22pm

    It's been an interesting couple of days. I don't know what else to say. Strap in and hang on it's going to be a wild ride.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 6:12pm

    Hey Mike! Are you letting Anonymous use your servers for these DDOS attacks?

     

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      DogBreath, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 8:35pm

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      Hey Mike! Are you letting Anonymous use your servers for these DDOS attacks?

      No, they are using yours.

      Have fun at your new place of incarceration with your "laws" and "justice".

      Remember now, if someone drops the SOPA-on-a-rope in the shower, do not bend over to pick it up, or you're likely to get PIPAed in the ACTA.

       

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    DueDoe, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 6:32pm

    Anonymous

    Give em' Hell Anonymous! The government is out of control in this country! Bought off and paid off by the rich! Power to the real people us working people!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 6:43pm

    I had to come back, just to comment on this.

    Someone took your binky away. WAH WAH WAH!

    Fucking idiots.

     

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    Eileen (profile), Jan 19th, 2012 @ 7:25pm

    I will only note that I am a long-time reader of CNN, mostly for the comments which I consider a barometer of the US public (sad as that sometimes reveals itself to be).

    This was the one story where the most recent 25 comments were ALL UNANIMOUS, and against the government action taken today. I find that to be an interesting trend. I think the administration will find this was a serious mistake going forward.

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Jan 20th, 2012 @ 9:09pm

      Re:

      I agree. Even on other general sites when there's been a story related to piracy, the comments are overwhelmingly negative and hostile towards rightsholders. That's been going on for some time.

      So why doesn't anything ever "trickle up"?

       

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    A Guy (profile), Jan 19th, 2012 @ 7:25pm

    It's too early to know if this is justified

    I would like to see the governments rational before over reacting. Maybe megaupload wasn't complying with the DMCA, or maybe they paid company officers to upload copyrighted material.

     

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    Ted E. Bear, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 7:49pm

    Similarities?

    Curious if anyone else can see the similarities to our own history (U.S)? Stamp Act, Boston Tea Party, Boston Massacre.
    Ramrod legislation, Internet blackout Friday, megaupload massacre. I see a dissertation here for any political science or history phd candidate. Just make sure to give me proper credit :) We are truly in a global age.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 7:58pm

    I do believe it is time for all citizens to exercise their second amendment rights.

    Go out and buy a gun, if enough people do this it will send a clear message to our wana be leaders that we are sovereign individuals who are ready to exercise our rights.

     

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      Don't Tread on Me, Jan 20th, 2012 @ 9:57am

      Re:

      This is already a noted trend. With the Patriot Act and Obama's massive expansion of government control and size, Americans who pay attention have run in droves to buy firearms.

      This is exactly why we have a right to keep AND BEAR arms. Not for hunting or protection from robbers, but for protection from our own government if they go too far.

       

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    Rekrul, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 8:36pm

    Well, that was disappointingly short-lived. All the sites seem to working fine now...

    I wanted to see them offline permanently.

     

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      The eejit (profile), Jan 20th, 2012 @ 2:42am

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      I'd love for Google to quietly redirect all the MAFIAA sites to an advocacy campaign overwrite, directing them to contact their Senators/Congresscritters about this.

       

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        That Anonymous Coward (profile), Jan 20th, 2012 @ 3:25am

        Re: Re:

        It would be much more fun for Google to delist the sites, and all of their holdings.
        Would be a shame if no one knew about your new movie opening soon, because there were no hits leading people to an overproduced trailer that gives away all the best parts.

         

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 8:41pm

    The internet is relentless.

     

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    Digitari, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 9:03pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    the first DDos attack in America was the Boston tea party


    How'd that work out for them???

    if every other business in the world that gets "stolen" from can give you figures almost to the penny, why can't the content industry? I mean if there is so much "thievery" going on you should not have to "estimate the Loss"

     

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    demented, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 9:26pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Our Government/Entertainment Industry must be stopped!!!

    Here's a question: why is Anonymous' attack SO SURPRISING? Why are people actually shocked? they threatened to do stuff weeks ago, and now they have.

     

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      The eejit (profile), Jan 20th, 2012 @ 2:43am

      Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Our Government/Entertainment Industry must be stopped!!!

      Hey, at least when Anonymous rattles theiur sabers, they'll stab you.

      Which is more than I can say for the cunts up on the Capitol.

       

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 10:02pm

    And the war for the internet begins.... I'm betting on Internet for the win! I'll give 5to1 odds

     

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    lol, Jan 19th, 2012 @ 11:40pm

    nice job

    Good Job guys!
    Operation Megaupload in pictures: http://goo.gl/2CL44

     

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    hmm (profile), Jan 20th, 2012 @ 2:34am

     

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    hmm (profile), Jan 20th, 2012 @ 2:35am

    websites

    First post went blank for some reason

     

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    hmm (profile), Jan 20th, 2012 @ 2:36am

    Why is it posting blanks? with only the first line visible....

    ...websites for DOJ, the US Copyright Office, Universal Music


    Has anyone checked lately that all those sites aren't running off a Universal server? cause it sure seems that way.

    Heck half the time it seems like the DOJ website is just the mirror backup of Universal.

     

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    anonymous, Jan 20th, 2012 @ 3:43am

    'The DOJ web server is experiencing a significant increase in activity, resulting in a degradation in service. The department is working to ensure the website is available while we investigate the origins of this activity, which is being treated as a malicious act until we can fully identify the root cause of the disruption.'

    the 'root cause of the disruption' is you idiots taking down another site without due process, like you did with Dajaz1, because the entertainment industries have told you to!

     

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    The Luke Witnesser, Jan 20th, 2012 @ 4:46am

    Here lies the truth about SOPA/PIPA that even TechDirt has yet to report: what MPAA, RIAA, and Hollywood execs do not want you to see.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJIuYgIvKsc
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzS5rSvZXe8

    The truth behind why these big companies responsible for SOPA and PIPA are also responsible for piracy itself is far more insidious than even their outmoded business model.

    Hint: can you say, do as I say so I can crush you under heel?

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Jan 20th, 2012 @ 6:04am

      Re: Here lies the truth about SOPA/PIPA that even TechDirt has yet to report: what MPAA, RIAA, and Hollywood execs do not want you to see.

      Damn, the hole was far, far deeper then I thought.

       

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    Jeremy, Jan 20th, 2012 @ 9:02am

    This article is stupid. Indicments were filed against these people on January 5th, which last I checked was 14 or so days after the internet sites blacked out to oppose PIPA/SOPA. Stupidity at it's finest.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 20th, 2012 @ 9:19pm

    Sen Lamar was using a photo he didn't have copyrights to on his official website. That shows how much he knows about the bill he sponsored.
    http://www.lolme.org/lolpics/the-awkward-moment-when-you-break-the-law-you-proposed-lama r-smith-sopa/

     

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    Boldhawk, Jan 21st, 2012 @ 1:55am

    Guilty until proven innocent

    There are a number of things wrong on the part of the Justice Department... And it is not a new way to deal with people and businesses that are purportedly breaking the law.

    Raid without care to damage to property; shut down their source of income, confiscate property and inventory... you name it... And that's something I observed without even looking for the type of information...

    Aside for this one, I saw another here: http://www.naturalnews.tv/rawsome_foods.asp

    Raid of natural food store... cooperative.

    They pass laws and regulation in the middle of the night, away from public scrutiny, without notice nor consultation. They have the guns ready to attack the public by the following morning.

     

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    Androgynous Cowherd, Jan 22nd, 2012 @ 7:21pm

    When will the government learn: don't muck with the internet?


    Typo alert. There's an 'm' in there that should be an 'f'. HTH.

     

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