It's Official: Wikipedia To Go Dark On Wednesday

from the pipa-protests dept

Last week, we noted that Jimmy Wales was in favor of a blacking out Wikipedia on Wednesday in protest of PIPA, joining with Reddit and lots of other sites, but that the community need to weigh in quickly. It appears they've now done so, as Wales is telling students to do their homework early, because the site is a goner for Wednesday: In fact, it appears they're going even further than Reddit, who is going down for 12 hours. All English-language pages on Wikipedia will go dark for 24 hours -- starting at midnight DC time on Wednesday. For what it's worth, I've been told by multiple Congressional staffers that Wikipedia is a tool they all rely on pretty much every day -- so expect this to get some attention. The site will also be replaced with an action alert, asking people to call and write Congress -- and Jimmy says his goal is to "melt the phone lines." Considering how much usage Wikipedia gets, that's entirely possible.

This is a big move, and it's great to see Jimmy and the community willing to take a stand like this. Jimmy is also tweeting up a storm about why this is so important. He's also responding to false claims that the bills are "dead," by noting that SOPA (1) may rise again and (2) that PIPA is still alive and well.

Either way, come Wednesday, I'm curious if Congress is still going to be claiming that it's just a "small minority" of people who dislike these bills.


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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 12:10pm

    Now SOPA supporters will just claim it's google AND wikipedia supporting piracy and opposing SOPA. After all, a lot of stuff on wikipedia must be stolen word for word from someone else, that's as good as piracy!

     

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    weneedhelp (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 12:15pm

    I would like to see the search engines join in as well. Even if it was only business hours say 6am-9pm, that would be great.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 12:20pm

    I hope Techdirt goes dark too.

     

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    al, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 12:21pm

    Good for them. I have been an artist for 25 years the past 8 were dedicated to 3d gaming. After several attempts to get investors I succeeded. Unfortunately due to the pending SOPA legislation again I say "pending". I lost my investors, and 8 months worth of work, my employees 10 in total, not including myself.

    I thought SOPA was going to protect American Job's not loose them. This law has not even been passed, and it lost me and 10 other Americans Their Jobs. I can just imagine when it is passed. Hold on tight Here goes the small buisness. Thank You

     

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    Chris Rhodes (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 12:22pm

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    *squint* Not sure if trolling or legitimate request for activism.

     

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    ShellMG, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 12:22pm

    Glad to hear they're encouraging people to give congress an earful. Including a simple link to a page listing all phone numbers would be ideal.

     

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    al, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 12:25pm

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    I am doing niether simply stating a fact.

     

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    Chris Rhodes (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 12:30pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    Might want to view the comments as threaded. I wasn't responding to you. :P

     

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    FM Hilton, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 12:34pm

    SOPA isn't dead, merely 'resting'

    Good for Wikipedia.
    But with some good news (SOPA might be delayed), there's also a rumor going around that SOPA might be given to the HSA for total rule adoption-which means we're doomed.

    The Homeland Security Agency would totally love absolute control of the Internet.

    I hope the rumor isn't true, and it's just fear-mongering-but if it is, there's no way to fight a 'formal adoption of rule' by a government agency that can't be bought.

    At least legally.

     

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    TheNutman69321 (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 12:35pm

    I am very glad Wikipedia decided to join in. They will get far more attention than anyone else.

     

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    :Lobo Santo (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 12:35pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Titles

    Post titles are awesome for telling who is responding to whom, even when the replies aren't threaded.

     

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    Marcus Carab (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 12:41pm

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    I think Techdirt can contribute a lot more by remaining live to cover the blackouts and reactions to the blackouts.

     

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    Donny (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 12:45pm

    Hrm

    But guyz what if the ends don't justify the means? What if using a reference tool as though it were political activism tool is not ok? What if 'effectiveness' is not a measure of what's acceptable? What if doing all this is some kind of transgression of duty?


    Also, can someone explain what's to stop this decision opening the door for subsequent political abuse of wikipedia? Pleading special circumstances? Isn't that the same logic behind why it's ok for PIPA to mangle established law and muzzle free expression?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 12:53pm

    It's already been announced SOPA won't even be voted on.

    But he's going to politicize the internets' encyclopedia anyway?

    Jimmy fucked this one up. Sad.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 12:53pm

    Re: Hrm

    First and foremost Wikipedia is an independent corporation. That is not owned by any government. I see no conflict here. Unless you think that corporations themselves should stay out of politics which I totally agree with.

    When the RIAA, MPAA NBC, and all other corporations stop trying to act like they should have free speach then Wikipedia should follow suit.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 12:54pm

    Re: stolen words

    If somebody does not want his words stolen, let him not tell anything. Given there were times nobody could imagine he would have to pay to go to the toilet or drink water, it's easy to imagine they try making others pay for talking or breathing.
    I hope world starts now thinking how to make life better than arguing if it is piracy to copy a bunch of crap bits of data.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 12:54pm

    Re:

    Holding the internet hostage will not win you any friends in Congress.

    But hey, why don't you guys go for it and see what happens?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 12:54pm

    Re:

    First and foremost Wikipedia is an independent corporation. That is not owned by any government. I see no conflict here. Unless you think that corporations themselves should stay out of politics which I totally agree with.

    When the RIAA, MPAA NBC, and all other corporations stop trying to act like they should have free speach then Wikipedia should follow suit.

    Nope no fuck up sorry, And FYI Wikipedia has been politicized since inception. This isnt even the first protest they have done.

     

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    Suja (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 12:55pm

    Re:

    I thought SOPA was going to protect American Job's not loose them.

    it does protect them.... American entertainment industry's jobs

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 12:57pm

    Re:

    You're a liar.

    No one with third grade spelling abilities gets VC from anyone.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 12:57pm

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    Nah, this is just Jimmy saying he thinks all the SOPA supporters need a high five. in the face. with a chair.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 12:58pm

    Re: Re:

    As far as I see the intent is to show what happens if the stipid acts get approved prior actually being approved. I hope google does not stop working during my working hours though or I must get a day off :)

     

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    crade (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:00pm

    Re: Hrm

    They don't need a special reason to black out their own website, its that the law allows censoring other people's sites that is a problem, not your own. You are already allowed to use your own website as you like and put up or take down whatever you like on it. I'm not sure I'm following how you think it's the same logic at all. They don't need any special circumstance if it's their own site, they can change the content whenever they like. They could take their server and throw it in the bathtub if they wanted.

     

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    PCDEC, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:01pm

    Re: Hrm

    One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. -Plato

     

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    The eejit (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:02pm

    Re:

    You forgot about PIPa which has similar provisions, and is being voted on next week, as well.

    So if he changes SOPA to SOPA/PIPA, it's still valid.

     

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    crade (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:03pm

    Re: Re: Hrm

    The penalty for participating in politics is that you have to talk to them :)

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:06pm

    Re: Re:

    Ah yes, you must be one of the people who claimed that by moving sites away from GoDaddy, people were violating GoDaddy's right to free speech.

    No one is "holding the internet hostage". They are merely blacking out a few (emphasis on "a few") sites in protest of a bad law.

    This is the equivalent of a sit in, of Rosa Parks refusing to move to the back of a bus, etc. I'm not comparing what they're protesting over or equivocating it in any way. I'm merely pointing out the measures they are taking in their form of protest are reasonably similar. Peaceful. With no intention to cause harm to anyone.

    Or are you against workers going on strike to protest bad working conditions too? Because that's holding the companies who have bad working conditions, use child labor, etc "hostage"?

    I wouldn't be surprised if you did think that way. Or perhaps you don't. Perhaps you only think that way when it's convenient to you.

     

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    rubberpants, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:07pm

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    Concern Troll.

     

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    Suja (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:08pm

    Re: Re:

    i type worse on the internet than i do elsewhere, true story, i'm sure others do the same

     

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    CD (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:09pm

    Re:

    The search engines could respond by filtering all the RIAA and MPAA links in their databases. Reply to questions why it's gone...well there was this guy that said that he owned this line of code in the source of your HTML and it fell under his copyright. So, we had to remove all of your sites that had this comment in them...

     

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    Hephaestus (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:13pm

    Re:

    That my dear AC will cost you $100,000,000 USD.

     

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    crade (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:14pm

    Re: Re:

    Are you on crack? Taking down your own site for a few hours is not holding anything hostage dumbass.
    You can still use all the awesome tools the morons who support bad legistation can build. For all the good it will do you.

     

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    Zacqary Adam Green (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:15pm

    Re: Re:

    We don't want to be friends with Congress. We want them to stop fucking shit up.

     

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    Gwiz (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:15pm

    Re: Re:

    Holding the internet hostage will not win you any friends in Congress.

    How so? This seems similar to a work stoppage to draw attention to a law or proposed law. Actually, this is even a more reasonable response since the decisions to blackout are being made by the business owners themselves and not just the employees.

     

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    Hephaestus (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:15pm

    Re: Re:

    I agree. How many politicians do you think are going to back away from SOPA PIPA after this?

     

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    Bengie, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:15pm

    Re: Re:

    "American entertainment industry's CEO jobs"

    Fixed that

     

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    crade (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:16pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    You forgot they are blacking *their own* sites in protest, which they have every right to do for any reason they choose. They aren't slaves who are forced to provide the services they provide, they CHOOSE to.

     

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    RevCharlieD (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:16pm

    SOPA & PIPA

    DO youactually think that Congress cares about us? Do you think we represent a significant portion of the world; enough so that we could garner support or even gain there ear? When we contribute the amounts of money that the proponenets and benificiaries of these bills do we will have Congress ear, then thsy will listen, not before.

    Good luck

     

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    Zacqary Adam Green (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:16pm

    Re: Re:

    Some people are dyslexic.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:17pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    Too bad it wasn't a typo, but a mistake commonly made on the Internet by the uneducated.

     

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    weneedhelp (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:18pm

    Re: Re:

    Holding the internet hostage will not win you any friends in Congress.

    Yeah and if asinine laws pass you will watch the internet darken because every asshole in the world will be running around using this to censor what they dont like.


    Under these laws, it would be easy to get any one of the services we use and depend on daily to get shut down.

    Holding hostage? No sir, a glimpse into the future.

     

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    Donny (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:18pm

    Re: Re: Hrm

    Agreed.

    But you're conflating "wikipedia the website & reference tool" with "wikipedia the organisation & people who maintain it".

    Should the latter get involved in politics? Definitely.

    Should the former? I kinda think 'no'.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:19pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    We don't want to be friends with Congress.

    If you want a friend in Washington, get a dog.

     

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    Hephaestus (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:20pm

    Re: Re: Hrm

    I so love that quote. 2000 years later, and stuff from before copyright still has relevance.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:22pm

    Freetards united against tyranny! (Trademark pending) ;)

    How can you equate a group of free content sites (or freetards as they are sometimes referred to) choosing to not provide their FREE service for a day as "holding the internet hostage". Get real!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:22pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    LOL

    Yes, blocking What.cd, waffles, TPB, Demonoid, etc will destroy the Internet!!!

    LOL at your FUD, Freetardo.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:23pm

    Re: Re:

    Holding the internet hostage will not win you any friends. But hey, why don't you guys in Congress go for it and see what happens.


    FTFY.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:24pm

    Re: Freetards united against tyranny! (Trademark pending) ;)

    Why are you a liar?

    Wikipedia isn't called a freetard site.

     

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    Hephaestus (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:25pm

    Re: SOPA & PIPA

    You are so wrong, you are seeing the first steps towards fixing the political system in the US. People actually taking an interest in the laws being passed. Much like the NRA supports the second amendment, we the people are saying, in no uncertain terms, do not fuck with the first, and fourth amendments. If you do, we will remember and vote you out of office.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:26pm

    Re: Re:

    There are people who would make this site go dark for far less money, I'm sure.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:31pm

    What needs to be included into the memo of these protests is something mentioning copy protection lengths and something about people demanding that copy protection extensions be retroactively repealed so that works can finally enter into the public domain.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:33pm

    let's hope wikipedia stays dark

     

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    Jeffrey Nonken (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:33pm

    Re: Re:

    It's well known the Internet is only used for downloading porn and stealing music and movies. So there's no reason it would have an effect anyway.

     

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    crade (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:37pm

    Re: Re: Re: Hrm

    Websites don't do things like become involved in politics :) The organization is just taking down the website as part of the organization's protest.

     

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    Jeffrey Nonken (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:37pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    I'm looking through the list of common logical fallacies trying to find one this argument doesn't violate. I think I found one! It's the If-By-Whiskey fallacy.

     

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    Jeffrey Nonken (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:38pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    Bad spellers of the world, untie!

     

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    Rikuo (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:41pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    LOL at the fact you haven't been keeping up, since Mike covered the fact that this legislation won't even be ABLE to target the Piratebay, since the Piratebay mainly uses .org, and the bill doesn't target .org websites.

     

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    crade (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:42pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    Don't knock it, thats for a whole year!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:42pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    [citation needed]

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:43pm

    Re: Re: Freetards united against tyranny! (Trademark pending) ;)

    Wikipedia isn't called a freetard site.

    It will be. Or just has been.

    After the umpteenth-gajillionth time that you get called “freetard”, well, you just sorta get over it.

    After the umpteenth-gajillionth time that you get called a “piracy-supporter”, well, you just sorta start to think that “supporting piracy” might not be such a bad idea.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:43pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    I think you aimed your reply at the wrong person. I'm with you on this, these sites are blocking themselves and no one else in protest. Which is their right as you said.

    So the original AC is very much wrong. But that shouldn't strike any of us as a surprise.

     

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    Jeffrey Nonken (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:45pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Hrm

    Users' protest. We users were asked what we wanted to do. Last I checked we'd voted "yes" by quite a margin. Favorite was to black out the US and put up a banner worldwide.

     

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    crade (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:46pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Nono, I replied to the right person I was just reinforcing you :)

     

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    gorehound (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:46pm

    I am glad that Wikipedia and others are making a stand against these awful and corrupt Bills.
    Please nameless groups on the Internet expose the dirt behind these two Bills for the public to see.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:48pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hrm

    voted "yes" by quite a margin

    According to a link I saw an hour or two ago:
    85% Yes
    15% No

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:48pm

    Re: SOPA isn't dead, merely 'resting'

    Got a citation for that? Also, the authority under which the rule is being made?

    By the way, it's called the "Department of Homeland Security", not the Homeland Security Agency.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:48pm

    Re: Re: Freetards united against tyranny! (Trademark pending) ;)

    Considering he didn't call Wikipedia a freetard site, it's hard to see how you came up with the reply you did.

    Also, he (the AC you're replying to) is referring to the various sites participating in the voluntary "dark" time. Wikipedia, XDA, etc. These sites are all willingly going dark to protest internet censorship in general. Not just "freetard sites" as you like to spew.

    One man's "freetard site" is another man's information site. XDA would be a fine example of that. Plenty of information on there on how to bypass cell manufacturer and cell phone company restrictions and limitations. They also provide applications and tools for doing so. Some (perhaps the cell companies and manufacturers) might label them "rogue".

    I think it's kind of "let's stand together or fall separately" mindset at the moment with these sites who are going to go dark. Not a bad idea.

    Do try and provide facts when you comment. Rather than insults, misinformation, etc.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:50pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    LOL

    Yes, blocking What.cd, waffles, TPB, Demonoid, etc will /end piracy/!!!

    LOL at your delusions, shill.

     

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    Derek Kerton (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:52pm

    Wikipedia: You Win 2 Internets

    Hmmm. Time to make that donation to Wikipedia that I've thought they deserved for years.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:53pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Here the trolls are, reduced to acting like a bunch of skiddie 4chan tools (LOL, freetard, FUD) now that their bill is going down in flames.

    I suppose we get the last LOL.

     

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    weneedhelp (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:54pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Exactly!!! Where am I going to get my movies and mp3's from?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:55pm

    Re: Re: Freetards united against tyranny! (Trademark pending) ;)

    Yes, it is a freetard site, because it gives stuff away for free. Anyone who gives away ideas for free is a freetard - they should pay you money, right?!

    Copytard shilling over 9000.

     

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    ArkieGuy (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:57pm

    Re: Freetards united against tyranny! (Trademark pending) ;)

    The real question is "why are SOPA supporters liars"?

    But seriously, I wasn't meaning that Wikipedia is a "freetard site", I was actually pointing out the irony in SOPA opposition (a FREE site choosing to go offline) being viewed as "taking the internet hostage".... Ok, maybe I wasn't pointing out irony, maybe it more pointing and laughing at an inane post. ;)

     

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    rubberpants, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:58pm

    Re: Re:

    What would win us friends in Congress?

     

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    Josh in CharlotteNC (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:59pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    Are you advocating an illegal act?

    So you've thrown in now with the pirates?

    Welcome to the fold, comrade.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 1:59pm

    Re: Re: Re: Freetards united against tyranny! (Trademark pending) ;)

    One man's theft is another man's sharing.

    Your propaganda only becomes valid when you decide to share your money with me.

    Paypal me here: Skullfuckedpirates@parasites.cd

     

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    Jeffrey Nonken (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 2:03pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hrm

    I was mistaken about the method. Looks like a global blackout is the favored method at this time.

     

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    ArkieGuy (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 2:03pm

    Re: Re: Freetards united against tyranny! (Trademark pending) ;)

    Oh, and I wasn't logged in when I posted the original "Freetards united against tyranny", line. Consider me logged in now!

     

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    Chuck Norris' Enemy (deceased) (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 2:09pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    Armored trucks filled with unmarked bills!

     

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    TheBigH (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 2:13pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    Bucketloads of cash.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 2:16pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    What would win us friends in Congress?

    Dogs. Lots of dogs. Lots and lots of dogs.

     

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    Chuck Norris' Enemy (deceased) (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 2:16pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Might want to view the comments as threaded.

    "Learn to threaded mode" is the proper term according to one of our AC's a few months ago.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 2:22pm

    Re:

    Please explain how your project lost funding because of SOPA. Were you writing software to steal movies and music? I don't understand why an investor would pull out of a project that creates original material, the law would actually assist you in your endeavors rather than hinder them.

     

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    John Fenderson (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 2:23pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    Money. Lots of it.

     

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    Hephaestus (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 2:27pm

    Re: Wikipedia: You Win 2 Internets

    I am actually doubling my yearly donation to 1k this year.

     

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    Hephaestus (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 2:28pm

    Re:

    To bad this isn't a video game we could cast a spell that keeps trolls quiet.

     

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    crade (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 2:39pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hrm

    It's still the organization's choice, both whether to put it up for vote and what to do with the result. I would call it the wikipedia's organization's protest, supported by most wikipedia's users.

     

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    Richard (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 2:42pm

    Re: Re:

    Holding the internet hostage will not win you any friends in Congress.

    So why does SOPA have friends in Congress - since that is pretty much what it does!

     

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    Violated (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 2:53pm

    Heroes and Chickens

    Nice to hear the official word.

    I discovered the poll results earlier by accident while checking through who joined this SOPA/PIPA blackout and who did not. It was a very close tie between full site blackout and a top banner announcement but I was glad to spot a full English language blackout.

    I did not spot their part about 24 hour blackout when I only noticed the approval for the 18th.

    Well this is sure a great start in giving them a day they will never forget. I have already been going around asking sites like FaceBook to join this strike. I joke this could make good "nuclear blackout" recovery testing for their employees.

    Wikipedia is a very big site but you have to wonder if Mark Zuckerberg really has "balls" big enough to take out his FaceBook creation? Scared are we? Chicken? Recovery possible? We shall see.

     

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    Violated (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 3:03pm

    Re:

    Oh and what if FaceBook go down? I expect most of their regulars would freak out like WW3. Some people I know have even urged eBay and PayPal to join this blackout but these two go beyond my belief.

    Wikipedia (Wikimedia) sure is a big site but there are bigger fish in that sea and asking them to sign up may prove fruitful.

     

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    Violated (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 3:13pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    Whenever I see spelling on punctuation mistakes this always reminds me of that movie "The Secretary" where he punished her mistakes with a spanking over her boss's desk.

     

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    Almost Anonymous (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 4:05pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

     

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    Mischa, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 4:07pm

    Re: Re:

    If al had been 'writing software to steal movies and music' then he probably couldn't have gotten an investor in the first place. They tend to frown on illegal activities.

     

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    anony, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 4:11pm

    Re: Re:

    wikipedia has to get involved, its very corporate existence is threatened by this bill

     

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    LC (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 4:30pm

    Excellent.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 4:31pm

    Re:

    Good grief! Who is politicizing the internet? Jimmy Wales? In what sense is respecting the wishes of an overwhelming majority of the users "fucking up"?

    I think you are a spambot?

     

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    LC (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 4:36pm

    Re: Re:

    I agree. If sites like Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, Google and others that receive high amounts of traffic were to go down for 24 hours it would get PIPA/SOPA stacks of extra attention. Especially Facebook and Youtube, who could be considered rogue sites under the laws and shut down.

    Wikipedia is a very good start though.

     

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    LC (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 4:47pm

    "Holding the internet hostage will not win you any friends in Congress"

    It to attempt to show those who aren't quite-so-net-savvy what the future WILL hold under these bills. A 12-24 hour long taster, if you will.

    And if that statement was true, why do the bills have any support at all in Congress? They'll will effectively leave the internet at the mercy of the RIAA/MPAA, their archaic business models and anyone else whom has the capacity to take the time required to put up a real or false copyright claim against a website or business.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 5:14pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    Liar.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 5:16pm

    Re:

    Archaic business models like offering their content for sale?

    You're right, they should just spend all the money producing it and then let you rip it off.


    You're a fucking idiot.

     

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    TtfnJohn (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 5:21pm

    Re:

    Somehow I'm not surprised that the bill has cost you and others. Nor does it surprise me that the supporters of the bill really don't care. It's not about start ups and small business but about giant established companies and protecting them.

    It's just to bad you got caught up in this mess.

     

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    TtfnJohn (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 5:28pm

    Re: Hrm

    Wikipedia is violating no laws in going dark nor does it endanger free expression as the Wikimedia folks have decided to exercise just that by going dark.

    The reason they too so long to come to this decision is that they were concerned about their place as a reference work taking part in politics but have decided that this is well worth the risk. Good for them!

     

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    TtfnJohn (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 5:31pm

    Re:

    Don't worry it will be back to annoy you.

     

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    abc gum, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 6:38pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Who let the dogs out !
    Woof .. woof .. woof woof

     

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    Hephaestus (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 6:40pm

    Re: Re:

    "Holding the internet hostage will not win you any friends in Congress."

    It will however hold congress hostage. "This far no further". I think this is the sentiment of all of most people.

     

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    Hephaestus (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 6:45pm

    Re: Re:

    All they need to do is say, due to on going and legal disputes with content holders we will no longer be hosting links to ANY of their content, on any sites legal or infringing. We do this because there is no way to determine what is and is not infringing.

    Go SOPA!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 7:05pm

    Re: Re:

    Yes, insult him and provide nothing to disprove what he says.

    They are archaic business models. Focused entirely on physical goods, when what people want is digital content (in non-physical format) at reasonable prices with as little delay as possible easily accessible to them and to be used as they see fit (on any device they may own).

    If they can't/don't want to meet their customer's wants, somebody else will. It's that simple. This is how business works.

    Now if the people meeting the demand are doing so illegally, while that is wrong, at least they're willing to step up. If the people able to provide the product legally aren't willing to do so, that's their loss obviously. And only further distancing themselves from their customer's and their customer's wallets/purses.

    Me thinks the "fucking idiot" is the you and anyone who thinks that in this day and age you can still dictate terms to customers, as if they have no other options available to them. The truth is they do. Whether you approve of them or not. You won't give them what they want, well... as I said, your loss.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 7:38pm

    Re: Re:

    Off your meds?

     

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    ike, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 7:45pm

    Ironic

    Oddly enough, Wikipedia going dark might prevent some people from being informed about the reason for which it's going dark.

     

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    roskorapikov, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 8:16pm

    I can read the wikipedia in spanish, no problem if they shut it down in english for 12 hours.
    I can´t read simplified chinesse.

     

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    JMT (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 8:35pm

    Re: Re:

    "Archaic business models like offering their content for sale?"

    Archaic business models like offering their content for sale in outdated formats at prices that exceed their value, while delaying or crippling the same content in methods and time-frames that newer technology allows and customers want.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 8:45pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Liarar.

     

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    tsavory (profile), Jan 16th, 2012 @ 9:21pm

    Re:

    Techdirt can go dark there is two ways for you to make sure it happens for you.

    1. Follow the instructions on this page.
    2. A Techdirt goes black for a year.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 16th, 2012 @ 11:13pm

    I wonder about something. The U.S. Government thinks it can shut down the internet. What I'm wondering is whether the exact opposite is in fact the case: that the internet could shut down the U.S. Government.

    "For what it's worth, I've been told by multiple Congressional staffers that Wikipedia is a tool they all rely on pretty much every day -- so expect this to get some attention." Ok, so what would happen if, instead of a 'blackout' of Wikipedia and other important sites for one day, a blackout that would harm everyone who wanted to access those sites that day (including innocent students trying to do their homework), what if those sites implemented a selective blackout, refusing to serve their web pages to any IP address that resolved to a .gov or related domain? If no senator, no representative, no congressional staffer, no federal agent at any federal agency no matter how large or small, could use Google or any other search engine, could not access information on Wikipedia or any other online encyclopedia or dictionary or archive, could not get the news from the NY Times web site or any other newspaper, not just wednesday but every day thereafter, would that get the government's attention better than hurting all the other people who use the internet?

     

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    PaulT (profile), Jan 17th, 2012 @ 12:53am

    Re: Re:

    "Holding the internet hostage will not win you any friends in Congress."

    Given that this is exactly what your friends are lobbying congress to achieve, where does that leave you?

     

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    martyburns (profile), Jan 17th, 2012 @ 5:45am

    Re: Ironic

    Except that isn't the site going to have a big banner saying why?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 17th, 2012 @ 6:37am

    "SOPA" in portuguese means soup.

    heh.

     

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    Call me Al, Jan 17th, 2012 @ 7:58am

    This is bringing attention to the issue

    I'm not sure what it is like over in the US but Wikipedia's stance here has brought a lot of attention to the issue in the UK. Last I looked the most shared BBC article today was about this and the Telegraph also has a front page article on their website.

    The Guardian has one in their Tech section, although they are using "Twitter boss slams 'silly' Sopa protest" as their headline which I'm not particulary keen on.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 17th, 2012 @ 8:59am

    Re: Re:

    "Holding the internet hostage will not win you any friends in Congress."

    Wikipedia offers a free service. What, are you worried that you might lose your free service for a day? Freetard.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 17th, 2012 @ 4:26pm

    Re: Re:

    Prove that the material is "original"; prove that the material does not infringe on anything. You can't, and neither can investors.

     

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    ike, Jan 17th, 2012 @ 7:03pm

    Re: Re: Ironic

    Sure, but one might be driven to look up details about the acts, or the politicians involved, or the DMCA, etc. Wikipedia is normally a good place to start such research.

     

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    TheNutman69321 (profile), Jan 17th, 2012 @ 9:21pm

    Blackout is live and can easily be gotten around by stopping the page from loading completely. Good news for those of us that already know SOPA sucks but still want access to Wikipedia.

     

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