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   ScytheNoire, Dec 12th, 2011 @ 11:16pm

   
   

   I think I found the problem

   I think I found the problem. You got Copyright in my creativity. If we can just remove that, it seems like all will be fine from there on out.

    

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   Getefix, Dec 13th, 2011 @ 1:43am

   
   

   Trade Weapon

   SOPA is a trade weapon, and that is why it will pass. As more and more business is done over the internet it gives the U.S. a more delicate tool for trade sanctions. Sure, a review might clear the major Icelandic fishery websites of charges of linking to infringing content, charges that could coincidentally follow Iceland being the first Western nation to recognize Palestine, but in the meantime a lot of business could potentially be lost.

    

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   Andrei, Dec 13th, 2011 @ 2:03am

   
   

   Dell McAfee And Microsoft switched sides

   Dell McAfee And Microsoft switched sides. BSA Switched sides. They are against SOPA

    

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   PaulT (profile), Dec 13th, 2011 @ 2:04am

   
   

   Re: Trade Weapon

   "delicate"
   
   Erm, from what I've read this is not the best word to describe SOPA...

    

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   Anonymous Coward, Dec 13th, 2011 @ 2:28am

   
   

   And it leaves out the the language in the current bill!
   
   How convenient!
   
   Nice job using Nazi Germany propaganda tactics in all this, Masnick.
   
   But at least some of us know that you and Google are the true face of evil.

    

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   Anonymous Coward, Dec 13th, 2011 @ 2:29am

   
   

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   Go on, then. Tell us what was left out.

    

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   Anonymous Coward, Dec 13th, 2011 @ 2:36am

   
   

   I love this sort of thing. Mike, you admit they got some of it wrong. If this was a pro-SOPA thing, you would be calling them out as spinmeisters, as incompetent, and as liars.
   
   I guess you run it because it supports your position, even if you know that the graphic is wrong. Pathetic!

    

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   Anonymous Coward, Dec 13th, 2011 @ 2:36am

   
   

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   You're such a sad human being.

    

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   Anonymous Coward, Dec 13th, 2011 @ 2:56am

   
   

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   Careful, your desperation is showing.

    

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 13th, 2011 @ 3:25am

    
    

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    You're complaining that he's recognising the flaw in something that you disagree with?
    
    What?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 13th, 2011 @ 3:38am

    
    

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    First, Mike Masnick was "wrong"...
    
    After that, he was "stupid"...
    
    Then, he was a "pirate"...
    
    Now he's the true "face of evil"?
    
    What's next? Will Masnick be the "Anti-Christ"? "Satan"? Or "Wand of Gamelon"?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 13th, 2011 @ 3:39am

    
    

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    No I am complaining that he glossed over a problem, and didn't call the rest of the information into question - which is what he would have done if it supported SOPA.
    
    Things like this just show how one sided Mike's views are.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 13th, 2011 @ 4:03am

    
    

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    No, probably something in the range of "douche". But that isn't my opinion, just something I heard somewhere or read or something.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 13th, 2011 @ 4:04am

    
    

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    Maybe Christ will now have to be referred to as the Anti-Mansick.
    
    After all, the horror of presenting an informational graphic that is largely true, but has some possibly out of date information is clearly among the greatest evils in human history and worthy of being compared to nazism.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 13th, 2011 @ 4:16am

    
    

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    Just maybe because most of the information is correct and he just bothered to point the wrong parts, different from the likes of you that come here only to troll.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 13th, 2011 @ 5:02am

    
    

    Response to: Anonymous Coward on Dec 13th, 2011 @ 2:28am

    Please point out where it actually dehumanises the opposition, or stop comparing it to Nazism, you Godwinning fuck.

     

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    Anonymous Poster, Dec 13th, 2011 @ 5:09am

    
    

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    Things like this just show how one sided Mike's views are.
    
    Yet, the very moment Mike makes a "mistake", people like you are ready to shove it in his face, call him a Nazi freetard socialist copyright-raping rat bastard, and do everything you can to show that your views are as one-sided as you claim Mike's are.
    
    If your views aren't as one-sided as your raging against Mike would have everyone believe, then you'd be able to admit that there are problems -- lots of them -- with SOPA and PIPA, and those problems stand a damned good chance of causing a lot of collateral damage.
    
    I'm willing to admit that piracy is an issue that deserves smart, laser-guided legislation to deal with (if the Big Media companies are truly set on not adapting to modern day technologies).
    
    Are you willing to admit that SOPA and PIPA could censor legitimate websites/content, force existing Internet services to drastically change the way they operate in order to avoid legal liability, and prevent new Internet services from starting up in the face of massive legal liabilities?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 13th, 2011 @ 5:12am

    
    

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    There are issues with SOPA - but there are issues with the current state of affairs that cannot be tolerated.
    
    "Are you willing to admit that SOPA and PIPA could censor legitimate websites/content"
    
    No. Not at all. There is nothing that says this will happen, except the scare mongers. Legal, legit websites with legal, legit content don't have anything to fear. Websites who don't check content, or don't give a shit what is on their sites will suffer - and they should.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 13th, 2011 @ 5:44am

    
    

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    I heard this one website receives 60 hours of content per second, and you want them to check it all? For infringing content?
    
    Good luck with that.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 13th, 2011 @ 6:45am

    
    

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    Websites who don't check content, or don't give a shit what is on their sites will suffer - and they should.
    
    
    
    
    So you are admitting that you want to get rid of the DMCA's safe harbor?
    
    The DMCA does not require a site to monitor user generated content, only taking down infringing content after a valid DMCA notice.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 13th, 2011 @ 6:46am

    
    

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    Websites who don't check content, or don't give a shit what is on their sites will suffer - and they should.
    
    
    
    
    So you are admitting that you want to get rid of the DMCA's safe harbor?
    
    The DMCA does not require a site to monitor user generated content, only taking down infringing content after a valid DMCA notice.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 13th, 2011 @ 6:47am

    
    

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    Websites who don't check content, or don't give a shit what is on their sites will suffer - and they should.
    
    
    
    
    So you are admitting that you want to get rid of the DMCA's safe harbor?
    
    The DMCA does not require a site to monitor user generated content, only taking down infringing content after a valid DMCA notice.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 13th, 2011 @ 7:03am

    
    

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    The safe harbor is a wonderful idea, but has been abused by certain companies and individuals to the point where it is no longer doing what it should do.
    
    It has created a situation where anyone can post anything, without rights, and profit from it until someone says "oh, wait, that's mine... you can't be using it". Then the website takes it down, and says "oh, sorry!". But they keep the profits. Oh, and they can have another "rogue user" upload it again minutes later, and since it's a new URL, it needs to be DMCA'ed by the owner again, if they find it.
    
    Basically, it turned into an open license to use content without permission, and with no downside to doing so.
    
    So yeah, for many sites, the safe harbor provisions of DMCA are too much.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 13th, 2011 @ 7:05am

    
    

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    :There are issues with SOPA - but there are issues with the current state of affairs that cannot be tolerated."
    that is so true...
    there should be some sort of law to prosecute any organization that tries to hold back innovation and harm society as a whole by buying stupid ineffective laws...
    
    funny how SOPA supporters always claim it will only harm those evil pirates, even though everyone knows SOPA will have 0 effect on piracy, just like every other stupid law put forth by our Benevolent Media Overlords...
    the genie is out of the bottle, and it is only going to get worse...
    they have gone from fight ctrl=c/ctrl-v to trying to fight single mouse click... wonder what will be next?

     

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    Spaceman Spiff (profile), Dec 13th, 2011 @ 7:48am

    
    

    Al Franken?

    The illustration of Al Franken being a supporter of this train-wreck-waiting-to-happen really surprised me, given his support for many more sensible and progressive agendas. Did someone hypnotize him? Bamboozle him will bullshit? Hold his kids hostage?

     

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    Hephaestus (profile), Dec 13th, 2011 @ 8:10am

    
    

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    The AC left out the alternate Goodwin of CP.

     

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    The Devil's Coachman (profile), Dec 13th, 2011 @ 8:48am

    
    

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    Actually, he's not sad. He is pathetic, and I take great joy in that.

     

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    The Devil's Coachman (profile), Dec 13th, 2011 @ 8:50am

    
    

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    Situational ethics is what I believe you are in support of.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 13th, 2011 @ 10:53am

    
    

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    I think that was called Jackson's Law.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 13th, 2011 @ 11:28am

    
    

    Comments held for moderation

    Why are comments held for moderation for several hours?

     

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    PaulT (profile), Dec 13th, 2011 @ 12:19pm

    
    

    Re: Comments held for moderation

    They're not, unless you write something that gets caught up in the spam filter. Try creating an account and logging in, or not pasting a lot of links? One of those might help.

     

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    apparently, Dec 13th, 2011 @ 1:35pm

    
    

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    your one of those retards that think you can just push a button and scan the internet.
    
    but what did i epect from the country that came up with the idea of preventive war?
    
    PS: i am american....sadly...
    
    *gets depressed thinking of why i was not born in iceland*

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 13th, 2011 @ 4:57pm

    
    

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    I've been pointing it out in the other thread and this series of responses just cements it - for the troll(s), they don't/he doesn't really care if Wikipedia does get shut down based on SOPA accusations despite their insistence that it wouldn't. Indiana Gregg or anyone with a want to suppress/claim copyright over information will just say "Fugg dis shit mang" and complain that Wikipedia didn't take down the information quickly enough.

     

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    Jay (profile), Dec 13th, 2011 @ 5:47pm

    
    

    Re: Re: Comments held for moderation

    I've had one of my posts caught as well. It happens.

     

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    B Pickel (profile), Dec 13th, 2011 @ 9:02pm

    
    

    Re: Re: Trade Weapon

    it is "delicate"
    
    As delicate as a brick through a window

     

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    Jay (profile), Dec 14th, 2011 @ 8:34am

    
    

    Re: Al Franken?

    He used to work in the movie industry. So yes, he supports pipa.

     

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