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   Dr. EVil, Dec 5th, 2011 @ 5:47am

   
   

   iz it free?

   my guess, the library pays some sort of license fee to Sony. So its paid for by the taxpayer but seems to be free to the user. This is still a much better model than what existed before..bravo DC...

    

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   Nate, Dec 5th, 2011 @ 5:52am

   
   

   It's not free!

   That's not free music. It's a service that the DC Public Library is buying from Library Ideas LLC.
   
   In effect, the DCPL bought a volume license for the songs. Once they get X number of downloads the DCPL will either have to buy more licenses or turn off the tap.

    

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   arcan (profile), Dec 5th, 2011 @ 5:52am

   
   

   The record labels are being hypocrites? what kind of vile trickery is this black magic?

    

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   Planespotter (profile), Dec 5th, 2011 @ 6:09am

   
   

   Not quite what it seems? Free to the library card holder but not to the tax payer (one and the same?)? I'd be interested to hear how much it costs DCPL per track.

    

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   The Infamous Joe (profile), Dec 5th, 2011 @ 6:29am

   
   

   Tricky

   So, if I then upload the free song to tpb, have I committed copyright infringement? Am I lost potential sale?

    

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   AJ (profile), Dec 5th, 2011 @ 7:08am

   
   

   Re: Tricky

   "Am I lost potential sale?"
   
   Depends on who's math you use. If you use "normal" math, your just some dude who would have probably never purchased the song in the first place, and are contributing to others who would have probably never have spent any money either. So not really a lost sale, more of a missed opertunity....
   
   If you use the AA's math. You have just single-handedly cause the collapse of civilization as we know it. Because of you, a kitten has just died, and a baby seal was clubbed. Your upload has been downloaded by at least a million people, and at $150,000 a pop.. that's.... that's... well its a fucking lot OK! Were going to wrap you up in the legal system for 20 years, take every penny you fucking have, and burn your picture at PRO-IP rallies for decades... friggin freeloading pirate!
   
   /sarc

    

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   Anonymous Coward, Dec 5th, 2011 @ 7:32am

   
   

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   In that case you be glad to know that no music is free nowhere, because every time you go shopping, exercise in a gym, go eat in a restaurant you pay for the music and it accrues to thousands of dollars in a lifetime, so you can probably say that all your pirate music was already paid in advance.

    

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   Friggin Pirate, Dec 5th, 2011 @ 7:33am

   
   

   Re: Re: Tricky

   First you need to locate me.

    

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   Overcast (profile), Dec 5th, 2011 @ 7:36am

   
   

   Remember, the public service announcement created by NBC Universal and used by both the city government of NY and the federal government as an "anti-piracy" advertisement states that "there's no such thing as free" content.
   
   Radio.
   Broadcast TV.
   Libraries.
   
   For consumers - they are free. How are we expected to have decent digital media concepts with this group of idiots trying to run the show?
   
   Problem isn't the digital media - it's the above idiots making moronic comments like the above in italics.

    

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    out_of_the_blue, Dec 5th, 2011 @ 7:39am

    
    

    "three songs per week"! Holy cow! Can Sony stand the expense?

    It's mere advertising loss leader, Mike. You should stop characterizing EVERY bit of ancient advertising practice as validation for your "give away and pray" notions.
    
    Unusually, in this case you have the facts right. Sony also "gives" away videos on Youtube. I had cause to look up a certain "artist", and all of its videos began with a Sony copyright notice. So big deal.
    
    SONY can give away SONY products as much as they please, MIke. (And giant SONY can bear the expense!) DOES NOT MEAN that you pirates can legally "help" them by distributing their files even if for "free".

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 5th, 2011 @ 7:45am

    
    

    I think this may actually be tied to the original, rootkit imbroglio of a few years back? not sure

     

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    gorehound (profile), Dec 5th, 2011 @ 7:49am

    
    

    To me it won't matter as I will have nothing to do with Big Labels/RIAA and have not done so for many years.Even well before the Internet was a WWW I was already not buying into or caring about any Artists who had "sold out" to the Corporate Entities.I became a Punk rocker in 1976 and never looked back.
    I really would rather listen to and purchase DIY/Obscure Bands Music than go near any sell-out.

     

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    The eejit (profile), Dec 5th, 2011 @ 7:57am

    
    

    Re: "three songs per week"! Holy cow! Can Sony stand the expense?

    Don't bother replying, just report and move on. If there was any more logic-fail in this one, the paradox crumple zones would fold into a counterlogical Einstein-Rosen bridge.

     

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    Benjamin C. Wade, Dec 5th, 2011 @ 8:11am

    
    

    Re: Re: Tricky

    You forgot that it supported child pornographers and Al Queda.

     

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    Andrew (profile), Dec 5th, 2011 @ 9:21am

    
    

    Re: "three songs per week"! Holy cow! Can Sony stand the expense?

    "give away and pray"
    
    I've lost count how many times Mike says this is not what he suggests. But keep on going OOTB. Maybe one day you'll quote him correctly and stop deionizing everyone on the site.
    
    On a side note you seem not to understand how Youtube works do ya?

     

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    Berenerd (profile), Dec 5th, 2011 @ 9:49am

    
    

    Re: Re: Re: Tricky

    and kicked puppies in the laps of invalid soldiers

     

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    Chronno S. Trigger (profile), Dec 5th, 2011 @ 10:07am

    
    

    Re: Re: "three songs per week"! Holy cow! Can Sony stand the expense?

    "If there was any more logic-fail in this one, the paradox crumple zones would fold into a counterlogical Einstein-Rosen bridge."
    
    And create exotic particles on the other side threatening to destroy an entire universe?

     

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    Rich Fiscus (profile), Dec 5th, 2011 @ 10:31am

    
    

    Free? I think not.

    Actually, this doesn't appear to be a true giveaway, at least not by Sony. The service is provided by a company called Library Ideas, and according to at least one librarian who has dealt with them, they aren't really offering much of a deal at all, and appear to be at least a little on the slimy side.
    
    http://librarianinblack.net/librarianinblack/2011/04/just-say-no-to-freegal.html
    
    Apparen tly the library pays at least $1 per download on average, and the company has horrible customer service.

     

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    Chris in Utah (profile), Dec 5th, 2011 @ 10:35am

    
    

    Re: Re: Re: Tricky

    Woops we are talkin Sony, they already released your profile to the public.

     

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    Rikuo (profile), Dec 5th, 2011 @ 11:05am

    
    

    Re: "three songs per week"! Holy cow! Can Sony stand the expense?

    Yeah, that's right. Every time I watched a Sony video on Youtube, I took it off their channel and Sony had to spend precious time and bandwidth putting it back up for the next person.

     

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    DannyB (profile), Dec 5th, 2011 @ 11:22am

    
    

    The DC Library is one of those Rogue web sites

    Enablers and Facilitators of piracy.
    
    Piracy is when you get music for free.
    
    So this must be piracy? Isn't it?

     

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    The eejit (profile), Dec 5th, 2011 @ 12:06pm

    
    

    Re: Re: Re: "three songs per week"! Holy cow! Can Sony stand the expense?

    Not yet, but Donnie might drop a jet engine on you.

     

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    gort-o-matic (profile), Dec 5th, 2011 @ 12:07pm

    
    

    Library Membership is Limited -- Drat!

    The DC Public Library is not permitted to issue electronic download only cards to those outside our service area (as listed above--D.C., Maryland and Virginia). If you live outside these areas, you may apply for a regular library card by visiting the Martin Luther King Library in person. The cost is $20, and the card is good for one year.
    
    Now I'll have to see if I can get a similar deal from my local library.

     

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    Joe Perry (profile), Dec 5th, 2011 @ 12:49pm

    
    

    Re: Re:

    yes, but a corporation deciding to charge based on total operating costs, including the price of the music they play, is still giving you the choice of shopping there. if it's a government tax you are paying for music you aren't hearing unless you go to the library and download three songs. everyone who doesn't is still paying anyway.
    
    it's sort of how the record industry views people not buying as losses. well, this is their solution. sell it to the government, and through taxes everyone buys, whether they like it or not.
    
    and besides, a lot of stores just use the radio, which is public and free, to cut costs. at least, they do around where I live.

     

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    heyidiot (profile), Dec 5th, 2011 @ 1:10pm

    
    

    Re: It's not free!

    Yes, and this is to avoid the simple purchase of music CDs, which patrons then can check-out, rip, and check back in. Hopefully all the same day.
    
    Do what I do: take your notebook to the library, and rip the CDs without even checking them out.
    
    Hmmm... I wonder: is there a law against that?

     

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    RonKaminsky (profile), Dec 5th, 2011 @ 1:18pm

    
    

    Not legal in US or UK

    > a lot of stores just use the radio, which is public and free
    
    Nope, AFAIK it's only free for non-commercial use, if you are a store/bar/restaurant/waiting room/... you have to pay the collection agencies (ASCAP/BMI in the US).
    
    There has even been a case where the UK collection agency wanted money for one of a supermarket's employees singing in public while working.

     

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    Christopher Bingham, Dec 6th, 2011 @ 5:53am

    
    

    Sony calls it Freegal (owned by Library Ideas, who I would guess are owned by Sony) and depending on the contract, they get $1.29 per song from the library. Some libraries love it, some hate it. It's a lot of money.

     

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    Joe Perry (profile), Dec 6th, 2011 @ 2:17pm

    
    

    Re: Not legal in US or UK

    interesting, I still stand by my point, but that is something I did not know.

     

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    Rich Fiscus (profile), Dec 6th, 2011 @ 9:15pm

    
    

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    Actually they don't appear to be owned by Sony at all. Sony just happens to be the only label they have a deal to distribute songs from.

     

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