Pelosi: We Need To Find A Better Solution Than SOPA

from the good-for-her dept

Ever thought there would be a policy issue that both Michele Bachmann and Nancy Pelosi agree on? Turns out it's that SOPA is a terrible idea. Pelosi has stated on her Twitter feed that we "need to find a better solution than SOPA" in response to a question from another Twitter user.
This is pretty big. Very few people expected that Pelosi would take a direct position on SOPA at all, but the fact that she's publicly stating it's a bad idea is a pretty huge sign of the impact that yesterday's widespread opposition to SOPA had. Whether you like Pelosi or not (and I recognize she brings out strong feelings in some people -- similar to Bachmann, though at different extremes), having her come out against SOPA is a pretty clear sign that the bill is in trouble.

Update: And Darrell Issa responds on Twitter as well:
If even we agree...


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    Gordon (profile), Nov 17th, 2011 @ 11:50am

    Dammit I have to clean coffee of my screen now.....thanks Mike.

     

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    rubberpants, Nov 17th, 2011 @ 11:50am

    Raw roh

    About a dozen lobbyists are driving home right now to change their pants.

     

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    Brony Montana, Nov 17th, 2011 @ 12:04pm

    When even Nancy Pelosi thinks a government expansion bill is a bad idea, trust me, it's a HORRIBLE idea. This bill must NOT be allowed to pass... It would spell the end of the Internet as we know it. The Internet is the last bastion of free speech, and I would prefer it to remain that way.

     

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      el_segfaulto (profile), Nov 17th, 2011 @ 12:26pm

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      As a moderate Dem (yes I know both parties are virtually identical, the Dems just scare me slightly less) I have never agreed with Pelosi until now. Checking the temperature in hell...

       

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        The Incoherent One (profile), Nov 17th, 2011 @ 12:31pm

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        Having a snowball fight I would assume.

         

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        Toeing the Party Line, Nov 17th, 2011 @ 1:09pm

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        I'm a republican, so if she's against it I'm for it.

         

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          The Incoherent One (profile), Nov 17th, 2011 @ 2:04pm

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          You mean Tea Party. Not republican.

           

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            qkslvrwolf, Nov 17th, 2011 @ 2:11pm

            @The incoherent one

            There's a difference?

            Republicans: Old white people
            Tea Party: Old white people

            Republicans: get angry about stupid shit, but take a pass on the important things
            Tea Party: get angry about stupid shit, but take a pass on the important things

            Republicans: got theirs, so fuck you
            tea party: got theirs, so fuck you

            Nope..pretty sure that's the same people.

            The "tea party" was kicked off by a bunch of rich people who sponsored a bunch of poor stupid white people to sit around in lawn chairs wearing stupid costumes while the tradmed gave them more air time than half a million people on the national lawn. It's an astroturf front for the crazier republicans, not a movement.

             

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              The Incoherent One (profile), Nov 17th, 2011 @ 2:22pm

              Re: @The incoherent one

              The Tea Party is filled with insane people. I hate what the republican party has turned into, and people keep telling me "Oh, so you are a tea partier". FUCK NO! There nuts.

               

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              Karl (profile), Nov 17th, 2011 @ 11:31pm

              Re: @The incoherent one

              There's a difference?

              There certainly is. McCain running for President in 2002 was not a Tea Party candidate. McCain running nowadays is (forced to be) a Tea Party candidate. This is incredibly unfortunate.

              Please don't make the mistake of thinking that the Tea Party represents anyone other than themselves. They certainly do not represent your average mainstream Republican. They just have more press coverage.

               

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          Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2011 @ 2:27pm

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          Issa is a GOP Rep, IIRC. So that argument is full of shit.

           

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            Toeing the Party Line, Nov 17th, 2011 @ 2:36pm

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            I'll have Issa's resignation in my hand before morning. I won't stand for anyone in my party siding with her.

             

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          Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2011 @ 10:13pm

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          Somewhere I heard that Pelosi might be against child-rape too...

           

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      MattP, Nov 18th, 2011 @ 7:37am

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      So...I agree with a position taken by Nancy Pelosi!?

      Maybe there's something to the 12/21/2012 Mayan calendar thing after all.

       

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    The Groove Tiger (profile), Nov 17th, 2011 @ 12:06pm

    Even Evil Has Standards

     

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      MrWilson, Nov 17th, 2011 @ 12:17pm

      Re: Even Evil Has Standards

      I guessed that a was link to tvtropes before I moused over.

      You've just rescheduled my afternoon. Thanks.

       

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    pixelpusher220 (profile), Nov 17th, 2011 @ 12:07pm

    'better'

    lets just hope they aren't convinced that 'better' means *more* of the stuff in the bill that's bad...

     

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      DannyB (profile), Nov 17th, 2011 @ 12:19pm

      Re: 'better'

      I hadn't thought of that.

      If it is not possible to identify any websites that are NOT rogue websites, then it would be easiest to just shut down the whole internet.

      You know the copyright maximalists aren't going to be able to identify a single website, not one, that isn't a rogue website.

       

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      Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2011 @ 12:21pm

      Re: 'better'

      You do realize there will be a bill, right?

      Even the letter from Google, etc. said "We support the bill's stated goals".

      I don't think you understand the machinations involved with getting legislation through Congress.

       

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    Greg G (profile), Nov 17th, 2011 @ 12:24pm

    Pelosi

    Hmmm... Pelosi saying it's a bad idea. One of two things is happening here.

    1. Pelosi is being bombarded with emails/calls by people who voted for her and she's saying that to keep those votes next time she's up for re-election.

    2. The world is actually coming to an end in 2012.

     

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    Jim, Nov 17th, 2011 @ 12:26pm

    Listen Pelosi, you and your freetard garbage eating human filth for friends are just going to have to accept that your free ride is over. STOP STEALING AND STOP KILLING OUR CULTURE.

     

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    Hephaestus (profile), Nov 17th, 2011 @ 12:26pm

    I guess I will put off setting up a NameCoin dns server for a few months.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2011 @ 12:26pm

    Where does the committee stand?

    Do we have enough to let it die in the committee?

    On the good side of the Judiciary committee:
    Issa
    Lofgren
    Chaffetz( https://twitter.com/#!/jasoninthehouse/status/137190726860673026 )

    On the bad side:
    (Intersecting the cosponsor list, with the committee roster)
    Smith
    Conyers
    Berman
    Amodei
    Gallegly
    Goodlatte
    Watt
    Chabot
    Deutch
    Griffin
    Marino
    Ross

    I suppose there's always a chance that cosponsors can vote against their own bill (please). Anyone know where the rest of the committee stands?

     

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      Mike Masnick (profile), Nov 17th, 2011 @ 5:31pm

      Re: Where does the committee stand?

      Anyone know where the rest of the committee stands?

      Watching the hearing yesterday, it appeared that Lungren, Jackson Lee, Waters, Cohen and Johnson were skeptical, though I don't know that any have taken a specific position on the bill.

       

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    ZD (profile), Nov 17th, 2011 @ 12:27pm

    No no no guys. This is just Pelosi charming her knowledgeable constituents after she was side-swiped this past weekend, for unethical trading practices. It is just more theatre.

    Always question why they may feel this way. For politicians such as her, there is more than likely an ulterior motive. Or maybe I'm wrong and certain key players didn't offer enough money for her to sign the bill and she is holding out for that, and will give it an 'aye' with spoken intentions of 'correcting the issues with the bill later.'

    It is all bullshit, never forget this.

     

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    DannyB (profile), Nov 17th, 2011 @ 12:29pm

    Thanks Mike for covering this

    I appreciate your work covering this story.

    It's very much like how I appreciated Groklaw's coverage of SCO nearly a decade ago.

    Similarly to Groklaw, I'm sure you are deeply hated by the dinosaurs who can't evolve, just as Groklaw was hated by SCO who could't evolve.

    I just hope that it doesn't affect you in your personal life. The author of Groklaw was personally stalked and harassed. You're pissing off powerful interests.

    The name calling and lack of civility often seen here by the pro-dinosaur opponents reminds me of the same venom from the SCO supporters back then.

    Also very similarly with Righthaven. Their supporters argued until there was nothing left of Righthaven's cases to argue about. Then in the most recent story they just throw out personal insults because they have nothing left.

    In a way it has got to be rewarding to be on the right side of how things are changing.

    Thank you for your efforts covering the kind of stories TD regularly covers.

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2011 @ 12:33pm

      Re: Thanks Mike for covering this

      Are you mad for being so addicted to the "dinosaur's" content?

       

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        Dark Helmet (profile), Nov 17th, 2011 @ 12:40pm

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        Are you mad that tech folks are and always have been smarter than your content people? Shouldn't you go back to your silly little songs and your plays with your makeup? We're trying to change the world here....

         

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          Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2011 @ 12:52pm

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          aww, the truth stings, doesn't it?

          The only thing you'll be changing is your diapers when it becomes harder for you to rip off the content you're so hopelessly addicted to. Poor little drone.

           

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            kirillian (profile), Nov 17th, 2011 @ 1:02pm

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            Funny...Dark Helmet is a content creator...not a middleman pretending to care about content creators. His comments in regards to your stupidity ring well with both camps...the dinosaurs don't create. They stomp out anything that they don't control.

             

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              Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2011 @ 1:08pm

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Thanks Mike for covering this

              I aware of the "content" he creates. It has the same value as the brown stuff he leaves in the toilet bowl.

               

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                Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2011 @ 1:18pm

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                Show me your book and I'll show you mine.

                 

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                Marcus Carab (profile), Nov 17th, 2011 @ 1:35pm

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                I aware of the "content" he creates. It has the same value as the brown stuff he leaves in the toilet bowl.

                Joke's on you - those are bricks of heroin and they are worth millions!

                 

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            Planespotter (profile), Nov 17th, 2011 @ 1:03pm

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            oh boo hoo... I'm crying here... SOPA won't stop me getting access to the all the latest content... don't you know that we've already moved on?

             

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              Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2011 @ 1:09pm

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              Then you won't be complaining when members of your network get sued or put in jail, right?

               

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                Marcus Carab (profile), Nov 17th, 2011 @ 1:36pm

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                Then you won't be complaining when members of your network get sued or put in jail, right?

                What? What 'network'? I thought "foaming at the mouth" was a figure of speech but you might actually have rabies...

                 

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                Planespotter (profile), Nov 17th, 2011 @ 2:14pm

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                lmao... you just don't get it, you cannot stop "Piracy", like you cannot stop Drug Use, you cannot stop Terrorism, Under Age Pregnancy... should I go on?

                What you need to do is spend all the energies you exhaust on pointless laws in innovating, embracing and providing a 21st Century service to your customers... we want to pay you, you just aren't listening to us. We couldn't shout what we want any louder, you just think we wan't free.

                 

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            Dark Helmet (profile), Nov 17th, 2011 @ 1:11pm

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            Bwhahaha. Yeah, dolt, I'm horribly addicted to content I'm "pirating". That's why my TV almost never goes on. That's why, in between changing my diapers of course, I'm reading and writing on my deck or in my office. That must be why I haven't listened to music that wasn't given away by the creator in something like ten years, and rarely at that (I'm a talk/sports radio fiend, your crap music doesn't interest me).

            But, hey, maybe you can spend all the time you've saved up not learning how to capitalize the beginning of your sentences and take a class on knowing what the fuck you're talking about before you act like a class A dickhead.

            Ripping off content, you've got to be fucking kidding me. You fucks haven't made something in twenty years that would be worth the time and minimal effort to download. You and your kind should pat yourselves on the back; nobody knows how to generate more bad will for themselves as you idiots. So keep prancing around here, fuckhead. Keep at it. Keep frothing at the mouth and spewing your bullshit, because I promise you that people that you could have influenced with an actual fucking argument are paying attention, and they'll remember your behavior. They'll remember how you talked to someone who actually ISN'T doing you any harm.

            Enjoy your miserable fucking life, failure....

             

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              Jeff (profile), Nov 17th, 2011 @ 1:19pm

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              Breathe easy man... his little cockroach lies aren't worth getting yourself so worked up over...

               

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              Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2011 @ 1:26pm

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              I've gotta say, this how I feel lately when I read this idiots posts.

              A strange combination of anger and pity. Angry because they might actually succeed in changing laws that impact me and pity because I can't believe anyone is really this stupid and yet so persistent.

               

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            Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2011 @ 1:17pm

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            How exactly is someone addicted to content?

            Is it like being addicted to chocolate? Can your addiction only be diagnosed by a screeching housewife? I'm doubtful that anyone, anywhere, has ever gotten the shakes because they missed an episode of Gilmore Girls, but you keep on believing that MPAA and RIAA owned content is the most important thing in the world (even as their revenue is slowly eclipsed by other forms of entertainment).

            Does it butthurt that no one anywhere agrees with your opinions unless you pay them (or donate to their campaign)?

             

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              Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2011 @ 3:30pm

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              If you weren't addicted to content, then you wouldn't care about enforcement of piracy.

              You really think no one notices that?

              Plenty of people Congress do, believe me ;)

               

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                Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2011 @ 4:02pm

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                If you weren't addicted to content, then you wouldn't care about enforcement of piracy.


                I'm not addicted to content (as you mean it), but I care very very deeply about the enforcement of piracy. The efforts in that direction are so broad and heavy-handed that I'm likely to be collateral damage of them, even though I don't engage in or support copyright infringement. My fighting this stuff is nothing but self-defense.

                 

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                Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2011 @ 4:26pm

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                I believe those who are critical of these bills are concerned about the overreach, not that they're addicted to . . .

                Hey! You're just trolling, nearly got me!

                 

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                himey, Nov 17th, 2011 @ 6:37pm

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                If you weren't addicted to content, then you wouldn't care about enforcement of piracy.

                You really think no one notices that?

                Plenty of people Congress do, believe me ;)

                This is my first post on the subject. I just want to say that I am not trying to insult you or call you names. Just want HONEST discussion.

                The concern from just about everyone who opposes this legislation is not about wanting to get your content for free or drastically cutting your revenues to send everyone in your industry to the poor house.

                This bill is terrible due to the unintended consequences that we foresee and how it will be used to stifle legitimate innovation in your industry. We don't want content for free. We just want things to be convenient and easy. We have the tools to make a great new digital world, but the content industry stands in the way at every step demanding new license fees that make getting their media to a wider audience. Make it about volume. I would rather sell a million copies of a piece of media for $1 than trying to sell the same thing for $20 and only selling 1,000 copies. It gives me a much wider audience for my next project and made me more money. Seems very simple to me.

                The other horrible part about this bill is that the scope it too wide and it will kill innovative sites and businesses before they get off the ground. Being able to shut a site down over a mere accusation without oversight or a court order is a recipe for disaster. I don't know if anyone has gone on record to say this, but let's say for the sake of argument that the movie / music industries have said "We do not ever intend to use this law to shut down a business that we perceive as competition to us." Fine. Let's even take that at face value and believe it. It would be great.

                The problem lies in the fact that the law applies across the board and anyone could shut down anyone else for just about everything. If I were to start a website to sell t-shirts with witty sayings on they. Things start to go well and I am able to eek a living out of this site. In good faith and unknowingly, I start to produce a t-shirt with some silly catch phrase on that is the catch phrase of an auto dealer on the other side of the country that I have never heard of. With a few taps on a keyboard, he cuts off my source of income and I am shut down. It will take me MONTHS to get this innocent mistake cleared up and in the meantime I have lost all of my customers and business. That sort of thing WILL happen. Probably A LOT.

                Now please, Anonymous Coward from posting #68 (and anyone else who is on the side of SOPA), tell me why this bill as it is written and proposed is a good bill? No name calling or accusations. I have not used any towards you. Please do not use them towards me either. Just explain why this law is good for the whole of America.

                 

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                  David Evans (profile), Nov 18th, 2011 @ 3:41pm

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                  This is what it looks like when a troll wins. Sure wasted a lot of your time, there. Poking trolls to watch them spin is fun and all, but gee whiz.

                   

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                Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2011 @ 3:46am

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                Plenty of people Congress do, believe me ;)

                Why should anyone believe a shilling troll?

                 

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            SlinkySlim (profile), Nov 17th, 2011 @ 1:58pm

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            Is it just me or does monkey boy here truly not understand the depth of the lake he swims in?

            Access to your content is not limited to what you can see.
            Once digital it can be wrapped and stacked. This is the part we've been trying to tell you. It's cooked man. You need to find a way to serve the meal.. otherwise the world will grow their own.

            Christ, how can you not get that?

             

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            Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2011 @ 3:19pm

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            Yeah buddy keep telling yourself we all really need you and want you around, whatever helps you sleep at night. Hell maybe someday your kids will even speak to you again.

             

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            Colin, Nov 17th, 2011 @ 8:09pm

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            You should really look up the definition of "addicted" because you aren't using it correctly. At all.

             

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        Karl (profile), Nov 17th, 2011 @ 11:36pm

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        Are you mad for being so addicted to the "dinosaur's" content?

        I can't speak for anyone but myself, but if all of those "dinosaur's" content completely evaporated, it would still be better than if this bill passed.

        I can live without Transformers 3. I cannot live without free speech and an unhindered internet.

         

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        Anonymous Coward, Nov 18th, 2011 @ 3:44am

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        Are you mad that noone gives a fuck about your pointless accusations?

         

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    Paul (profile), Nov 17th, 2011 @ 12:50pm

    Isn't it rather strangely quiet from the pro-SOPA side of the house?

    Seriously, I expected to find some pro-SOPA spin in the comments.

    Where are our friends?

     

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      Planespotter (profile), Nov 17th, 2011 @ 1:04pm

      Re: Isn't it rather strangely quiet from the pro-SOPA side of the house?

      At the doctors getting their RSI looked at after all the bollocks they posted yesterday.

       

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      Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2011 @ 1:07pm

      Re: Isn't it rather strangely quiet from the pro-SOPA side of the house?

      Why? This post isn't about SOPA, it's about a flip flopping politician trying to cover up her own misdeeds by trying to "get in front" of something. She hopes to come out looking like a leader.

      Too bad she's on the wrong side of the issue here.

       

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        Karl (profile), Nov 17th, 2011 @ 11:38pm

        Re: Re: Isn't it rather strangely quiet from the pro-SOPA side of the house?

        This post isn't about SOPA, it's about a flip flopping politician trying to cover up her own misdeeds by trying to "get in front" of something.

        Lesson to Paul: ask, and ye shall receive.

        Lesson to the rest of us: don't ask.

         

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    FM Hilton, Nov 17th, 2011 @ 12:59pm

    Pelosi's under pressure

    from the people in the industries from her home state, California, where how many game, and electronic companies are there?
    How much money is involved in that? She'd better be against it, or else she's gonna be out of office next time.

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2011 @ 1:33pm

      Re: Pelosi's under pressure

      "rom the people in the industries from her home state, California, where how many game, and electronic companies are there?
      How much money is involved in that? She'd better be against it, or else she's gonna be out of office next time."

      Pelosi on our side and voted out in the next election because of it? I believe that is the very definition of a win-win situation now isn't?

       

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2011 @ 1:04pm

    LOOK HOW RETARDED I AM, TECHDIRT, HURR DURR

     

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      PrometheeFeu (profile), Nov 17th, 2011 @ 1:48pm

      Re:

      Look at the bottom left of your keyboard. You will see a key labeled "Ctrl". Right above should be a key called "Shift". Right above is a key called "Caps Lock". "Caps Lock" when toggled on makes you stupid. (Or at least it helps in that direction) Pressing it again might help make you look a bit less stupid. I suggest you press that button.

       

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        Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2011 @ 1:59pm

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    SpaceCase, Nov 17th, 2011 @ 1:21pm

    What's it mean

    This is a non committal answer. What does she mean? SOPA goes to far or does not go far enough.

     

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    PrometheeFeu (profile), Nov 17th, 2011 @ 1:35pm

    Wait, this is bi-partisan agreement not in favor of powerful interest groups. Are they even allowed to do that? OK, no more questioning. I'm just going to do a victory dance and hope this lasts until the vote.

     

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    ShellMG, Nov 17th, 2011 @ 1:42pm

    I can hear the ellipses after Pelosi's statement. "...but SOPA is better than nothing."

    If there's any reason to be optimistic, it's that Lofgren and Issa both support killing this mess. They're worlds apart in political views but they agree it's bad.

    There's way too much wiggle room in Pelosi's response.

     

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    gorehound (profile), Nov 17th, 2011 @ 1:43pm

    These are the traitors who would sell us out for a buck.WE the People have lived a life of freedom and you fuckers want to change that and start outright Censorship.We will show you what we think of you when it is time for your frakkenj Re-Election.If any of these schmucks are your Reps make sure to mail that nice peaceful and intelligent person a nice letter and ask them where their brain was when they agreed to a bill like SOPA.Each and every one of these should be taught that you do not open the door to outright Censorship in the USA.Not only are people in the USA waking up to SOPA but some of the latest news has the EU also supporting the freedom of the USA and the killing off of SOPA.If any of these were from Maine I would not vote for that person ever.

    Cosponsors of SOPA
    Mark Amodei [R-NV2]
    John Barrow [D-GA12]
    Karen Bass [D-CA33]
    Howard Berman [D-CA28]
    Marsha Blackburn [R-TN7]
    Mary Bono Mack [R-CA45]

    John Carter [R-TX31]
    Steven Chabot [R-OH1]
    John Conyers [D-MI14]
    Ted Deutch [D-FL19]
    Elton Gallegly [R-CA24]
    Robert Goodlatte [R-VA6]

    Tim Griffin [R-AR2]
    Peter King [R-NY3]
    Ben LujŠn [D-NM3]
    Thomas Marino [R-PA10]
    Alan Nunnelee [R-MS1]
    William Owens [D-NY23]

    Dennis Ross [R-FL12]
    Steve Scalise [R-LA1]
    Adam Schiff [D-CA29]
    Lee Terry [R-NE2]
    Debbie Wasserman Schultz [D-FL20]
    Melvin Watt [D-NC12]

     

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    qkslvrwolf, Nov 17th, 2011 @ 2:03pm

    similar to bachmann, mike?

    Ok, so I'll grant that there are people who really hate Pelosi. Got it. But saying "similar to Bachmann", you seem to be saying "Pelosi is kinda crazy, Bachmann is kinda crazy, and no one likes a crazy lady who disagrees with their own brand of crazy, right"?

    The difference here is that Pelosi, for all her flaws, is not crazy. She's moderately liberal, she's effective, and she's a strong woman. THAT'S why people hate her.

    We hate Bachmann because she's fucking crazy.

     

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    Rosco, Nov 17th, 2011 @ 2:51pm

    Big Business + Law = bad

    SOPA should not have even been voted on. It is disgusting to me as an American. This would be like Pfizer or P&G running the FDA.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Nov 17th, 2011 @ 6:20pm

    Bachmann and Pelosi agree on something? I think I just saw Satan ice skating to work...

     

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