Michele Bachmann Comes Out Against PROTECT IP

from the interesting-developments dept

Whatever you might think of Rep. Michele Bachmann, she certainly gets attention, and as a bunch of folks have just sent over, she's just come out against PROTECT IP. In a letter responding to someone asking her opinion, she stated:
Thank you for taking the time to contact me with your opposition to S. 968, the Preventing Real Online Threats to Economic Creativity and Theft of Intellectual Property (PROTECT IP) Act. As your Representative for the 6th district of Minnesota, your views are very important to me and I appreciate hearing from you.

While I understand the importance of safeguarding Americans' intellectual property rights, I have serious concerns about government getting involved in regulation of the internet, and about ambiguities in this legislation which could lead to an explosion of destructive, innovation-stalling lawsuits.
This is likely as a result of recent Tea Party concerns about the bill as well, since Bachmann is often associated with the Tea Party.

The interesting bit here is that it certainly sets things up for some more vocal opposition of PROTECT IP. Supporters of the bill had been arguing that it would just be "the usual suspects" who were against PROTECT IP, and would talk about how they had bipartisan support for the bill. But we're seeing more and more people in the House begin to express concerns about the bill... and do so on both sides of the aisle. Intellectual property issues, for better of for worse (and I think, for better) have never been a really partisan issue, and I do hope it stays that way, but Bachmann's opposition puts up another roadblock in place to getting PROTECT IP passed. We'd heard that the House version of the bill was supposed to drop today... (after a couple months of being told "in the next two weeks"), but then late yesterday heard that it was pushed back again. It wouldn't be surprising to find out that Bachmann taking a position on it is part of the delay. At the very least, this is going to mean that PROTECT IP won't be able to sail through as supporters expected, and (most importantly) there is likely to be a lot more public scrutiny of a bill that is nothing but a favor to the MPAA/RIAA.

In the end it's good news that people elected officials are increasingly realizing that IP issues aren't as simple as has been put forth by the entertainment industry for so long. The fact that entrepreneurs, venture capitalists, and top technologists have already vocally expressed their concerns about PROTECT IP hindering innovation, it's nice to see that these voices are starting to be heard. Maybe, just once, the entertainment industry won't get away with a bill to prop up their failing business models without everyone else just letting it happen.


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    Jesse Townley (profile), Oct 14th, 2011 @ 4:07pm

    This proves that...

    ... even a broken clock is right twice a day.

     

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      A Dan (profile), Oct 14th, 2011 @ 4:19pm

      Re: This proves that...

      Are we sure this is that time? What's the source for this story?

       

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      Anonymous Coward, Oct 14th, 2011 @ 4:25pm

      Re: This proves that...

      Uhm ... if this clock is five minutes per month fast and it were five minutes ahead of time ... it would consistently be wrong for days at a time without being right even once.

       

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        Anonymous Coward, Oct 14th, 2011 @ 4:32pm

        Re: Re: This proves that...

        Maybe you should put the pipe down now and go take a nap.

         

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          Anonymous Coward, Oct 14th, 2011 @ 4:46pm

          Re: Re: Re: This proves that...

          How is what I'm saying wrong? "Broken" could mean a lot of things. It could be five minutes fast, and if it were, it would stay wrong because no matter what time it is, the clock will be five or so minutes ahead, which would consistently be the wrong time.

           

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            Anonymous Coward, Oct 14th, 2011 @ 5:28pm

            Re: Re: Re: Re: This proves that...

            You're sorta right, but it doesn't really matter

            The expression is actually about a stopped clock being right twice a day.
            Stopped is what was meant here by broken
            What you're describing in your 2nd example is a clock keeping perfect time but where the time is set wrong, the clock isn't broken there, but a broken clock might not have the ability to show time at all and therefore wouldn't even be right twice a day.
            You're first example was better so you're not completely wrong, but you are pedantic as hell.

             

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              PaulT (profile), Oct 15th, 2011 @ 12:41am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: This proves that...

              "you are pedantic as hell"

              Wow, look who's talking! All he was doing was point out that, just as there's a situation where a broken clock can be right, there's a situation where a working clock is never right. Meaning that there's a simple opposing counterpoint to that common saying.

              Not hard to understand, but as usual an AC has to jump to conclusions and launch personal insults...

               

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            Anonymous Coward, Oct 14th, 2011 @ 9:29pm

            Re: Re: Re: Re: This proves that...

            Now comes the part where you tell us about the perfect clock that is never fast nor slow. Go ahead, I'm all eyes.

             

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      Anonymous Coward, Oct 14th, 2011 @ 5:01pm

      Re: This proves that...

      I believe the expression is "Even a STOPPED clock is right twice a day."

       

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      btr1701 (profile), Oct 14th, 2011 @ 6:28pm

      Re: This proves that...

      At least when someone writes to Bachmann about PROTECT IP, her response is about PROTECT IP.

      I wrote my two senators (Feinstein and Boxer) about it, and never heard back from Boxer at all. Feinstein gave me a lengthy description of her stance on net neutrality.

       

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      hmm (profile), Oct 16th, 2011 @ 12:39pm

      Re: This proves that...

      ... even a broken clock is right twice a day.


      Not if you put the Tea Party in charge of it it isn't!

       

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 14th, 2011 @ 4:11pm

    PROTECT IP has zero safeguards it will allow others to abuse the system for pecuniary reasons with zero consequences for those abuses.

     

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    A Dan (profile), Oct 14th, 2011 @ 4:16pm

    Interesting

    Even if she is completely insane, maybe she could have a real future representing her constituents in Congress.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 14th, 2011 @ 4:17pm

    PROTECT IP like the DMCA has a complete lack of transparency and accountability, there is no way to challenge the classification of "rogue sites", there is no obligation to make that list public so people can see what is being blocked, there is no tough penalties for abuses committed.

    PROTECT IP is a censor tool, one that should have even more safeguards because of its potential for infringing on the First Amendment and still there is not a shred of that in that bill.

    Not to mention it is useless since others can just create forums that cannot be blocked by any government on earth, the technology is not there, the means are not there, why risk so powerful collateral damages to democracy?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 14th, 2011 @ 4:21pm

    No offense, but I don't trust her for a second. She's just another Sarah Palin, she's ignorant and she'll say absolutely anything to get elected. She'll change her tune upon election, just like Obama did on many issues.

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Oct 14th, 2011 @ 6:23pm

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      Not offended, but show me this history of flip flopping you claim she will undergo. Past history is a very good indicator of future actions.

       

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    E. Zachary Knight (profile), Oct 14th, 2011 @ 4:25pm

    Help!

    Help! Someone please stop me from liking Michelle Bachmann!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 14th, 2011 @ 4:28pm

    A stopped clock is right twice a day. She's still batshit insane.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 14th, 2011 @ 4:37pm

    It is from a response to a constituent letter. Assuming the letter was properly vetted, it is accurate.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 14th, 2011 @ 5:15pm

    She probably thinks IP stands for Internet Porn

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 14th, 2011 @ 5:31pm

    derp derp clocks

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 14th, 2011 @ 5:54pm

    I would like to see the letter she sends to constituents who contact her urging support for the legislation.

    Experience suggests it may be a polar opposite to what is quoted in the article.

     

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    abc gum, Oct 14th, 2011 @ 6:11pm

    Actions speak louder than words.

     

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    Karl (profile), Oct 14th, 2011 @ 11:50pm

    Bachmann

    Ah, that might explain why I also got a response email from Scott Brown... despite emailing him about ACTA months ago.

    I guess this means that Bachmann is also one of "Google's pet senators." Obviously, she's just a hippie freetard who is spouting Socialist propaganda about how nobody deserves to get paid.

    Having said all that: I know "the enemy of your enemy," and all that - but still: yikes. With friends like these...

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2011 @ 12:18am

    Oh boy, you guys are in great company. Sort of shows where PROTECT IP lands, somewhere between Bachman and Palin and the rest of the tea baggers.

    Congrats Mike, you are clearly on the #winning team.

     

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      surfer (profile), Oct 15th, 2011 @ 3:10am

      Re:

      um, this IS an open forum, like the old town hall meetings.

      there can be derp arguments over stopped/broken clocks on one side of the room, while debates over Bachmann being Palin in the center, et al..

      although, typically, the intellects converge in one corner or another, usually by the free coffee, to discuss the ramifications of infringing on the 1st Amendment with no oversight, something we have seen before.

      just saying..

       

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      BeeAitch (profile), Oct 15th, 2011 @ 3:29am

      Re:

      Still tired of losing, eh?

      At least you didn't mention Marcus' ass this time...

       

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      Karl (profile), Oct 15th, 2011 @ 2:03pm

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      Oh boy, you guys are in great company.

      Wow, talk about the pot calling the kettle black... Bachmann may be horrible, but the RIAA/MPAA/COC aren't any better.

      It's also somewhat ironic, since your side has been lobbing the "hippie"/"socialist" accusation against the free culture movement for years.

      It pisses you off that PROTECT IP opponents aren't so easily pigeonholed, huh?

       

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      The eejit (profile), Oct 16th, 2011 @ 4:22am

      Re:

      Remember that your side of the argument has accused murderers Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh. Crazy isn't excluded to just one side of a debate.

       

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    Chilly8, Oct 15th, 2011 @ 10:25am

    If a fundammentalist Chritian nutjob, like Michelle Bachmann, comes out against Protect IP, then it must be bad.

    As anybody who has followed censorship issues since the CDA days know, the Christian Right has tried to censor the Net. It someone from the Christian Right opposes a censorship bill, then you know its bad

     

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      hmm (profile), Oct 16th, 2011 @ 12:44pm

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      She might be IN FAVOR of Protect IP and by publicly siding with it she hopes many people playing "dodge the loony" will switch sides thinking whatever she does, they must do the opposite.......................

       

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    Chilly8, Oct 15th, 2011 @ 10:39am

    If a fundammentalist Chritian nutjob, like Michelle Bachmann, comes out against Protect IP, then it must be bad.

    As anybody who has followed censorship issues since the CDA days know, the Christian Right has tried to censor the Net. It someone from the Christian Right opposes a censorship bill, then you know its bad

     

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      hmm (profile), Oct 16th, 2011 @ 12:45pm

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      You'd think Christians would be in favor of the Net for several reasons:

      1. Lets you spread lies and sell bibles with ease
      2. A Net can be used to snare unwary children to drag them back to your vatican hideaway so you can molest them..

       

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      hmm (profile), Oct 16th, 2011 @ 12:45pm

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      You'd think Christians would be in favor of the Net for several reasons:

      1. Lets you spread lies and sell bibles with ease
      2. A Net can be used to snare unwary children to drag them back to your vatican hideaway so you can molest them..

       

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      hmm (profile), Oct 16th, 2011 @ 12:45pm

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      You'd think Christians would be in favor of the Net for several reasons:

      1. Lets you spread lies and sell bibles with ease
      2. A Net can be used to snare unwary children to drag them back to your vatican hideaway so you can molest them..

       

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      hmm (profile), Oct 16th, 2011 @ 12:45pm

      Re:

      You'd think Christians would be in favor of the Net for several reasons:

      1. Lets you spread lies and sell bibles with ease
      2. A Net can be used to snare unwary children to drag them back to your vatican hideaway so you can molest them..

       

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    Mark Th (profile), Oct 15th, 2011 @ 11:01am

    Protect IP

    It seems to me that this is not the most well considered piece of legislation. It clearly has what could charitably be considered dual use.

    i.e.; While we might be thinking of some link-bucket aggregator site in some legislatively intractable country today, it could easily be interpreted by political opportunists against any site. I.e.; Accusing Matt Drudge of the eponymomous site, or Justin Raimando of AntiWar.com or Markos Zúniga of DailyKos to shutdown because they aggregate or provide content some original content provider might object to, such as a police beating or military protest,some utterance of corporate malfeasance or political gaffe.

    So while there is a serious problem around content aggregator sites, the web is an inherently public forum and designed around the notion of sharing information.

    If there is high-value information, it is presumed to be in the public fora OR behind some password/ssl protection at the least.

    So much as it pains me, I find myself on the same side of an argument as Michelle Bachman although I do hope my rationale for arriving at my viewpoint is more sound than hers.

    I would MUCH rather have myself on the side of having the right to show whatever I want, and have a complaint filed under existing mechanisms; because at the end of the day, if an author or private holder asked me to remove something, I almost certainly would, unless it was clearly some ideologically non-negotiable point. However this does not consider the person who operates exclusively from a malfeasant perspective.

    It seems to my mind that the greater harm is done to the well meaning person who may constitute an objector to some ideological item, than harm or constraint imposed upon the malfeasant person who simply can effort in another direction.

     

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    gorehound (profile), Oct 15th, 2011 @ 12:04pm

    I still won't vote for her.That is the only thing I have heard from her that I support.Well at least one has come out against the hated PROTECT-IP Toilet paper bill.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 15th, 2011 @ 2:29pm

    This is ironic as hell, as her good friend and ally Bradlee Dean (Smith), in his ongoing efforts to stop people from using his own words to describe him, has gone from attempting to sue for pseudo-slander (the "false light" nonsense) to abusing copyright law in order to keep the general public from hearing what he tells his followers:

    http://www.dumpbachmann.com/2011/10/censored-you-tube-terminates-dump.html

    http://thecuckings tool.blogspot.com/2011/10/running-from-their-own-words.html

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 17th, 2011 @ 6:55am

    It wouldn't be surprising to find out that Bachmann taking a position on it is part of the delay.

    Hahahahahahahaha....... do you seriously think anyone in the House cares what Bachman thinks? She's a nutjob.

     

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    rxrightsadvocate (profile), Oct 17th, 2011 @ 2:17pm

    PROTECT IP flaw jeopardizes affordable meds

    This article illustrates again that many groups from “both sides of the aisle” are expressing their opposition to this bill. RxRights is also concerned “about ambiguities in this legislation.” Specifically, PROTECT IP could cut off Americans’ online access to safe, affordable prescription drugs from legitimate international pharmacies.

    There is a major flaw in the PROTECT IP Act’s definition of what constitutes a “rogue” website. In terms of online pharmacies, it fails to distinguish between the “good guys”--the licensed, legitimate pharmacies that require a doctor’s prescription--and the “bad guys” who sell everything from diluted or fake medicine to narcotics without a prescription.

    RxRights is dedicated to promoting and protecting American consumer access to sources of safe, affordable prescription drugs. We are asking Americans to contact their legislators to urge them to oppose PROTECT IP due to its threat to our access to affordable medicine. Find out more at www.RxRights.org.

     

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    Kamikaze, Nov 16th, 2011 @ 9:15pm

    Impossible

    I can't believe Bachmann is actually agreeing with my side on something. This has never happened before.

    I hate her slightly less for this.

     

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