FBI Successful In Breaking Up Yet Another Of Its Own Plots To Bomb The US

from the what-an-amazing-track-record dept

We've discussed this a few times in the past, but the FBI's main counter-terrorism initiative these days appears to be centered around creating its own terrorist plots to thwart. First, they find clueless, easily manipulated people (frequently young and Muslim), who have no actual connections with terrorists. Then, they concoct entire terrorism plots, where every other person is an FBI agent, and any tools, "weapons" and money are supplied by the FBI. Finally, they "bust" the guy just before he carries out the plot that never would have happened anyway, because it's not like the FBI would supply the actual weapons. We see this pattern again and again -- and each time the press uncritically hypes up how the FBI successfully stopped a real "homegrown" terrorist.

Of course, it's happened once again, and the basic plotlines are identical to ones in the past. And, of course, the press is describing it like it was an actual terrorist plot, pretending that people was actually at risk. Glenn Greenwald's summary of this and other cases is pretty spot on:
None of these cases entail the FBI's learning of an actual plot and then infiltrating it to stop it. They all involve the FBI's purposely seeking out Muslims (typically young and impressionable ones) whom they think harbor animosity toward the U.S. and who therefore can be induced to launch an attack despite having never taken even a single step toward doing so before the FBI targeted them. Each time the FBI announces it has disrupted its own plot, press coverage is predictably hysterical (new Homegrown Terrorist caught!), fear levels predictably rise, and new security measures are often implemented in response (the FBI's Terror plot aimed at the D.C. Metro, for instance, led to the Metro Police announcing a new policy of random searches of passengers' bags).
Now, I'm sure some will argue that these efforts highlight those who may be pre-disposed to taking part in such activities if given the chance for real. But in the US, I thought we didn't believe in arresting people for crimes that they're pre-disposed to doing if they haven't actually done them. On top of that, with the FBI providing most of the actual plot here, it's difficult to see how this isn't a classical case of entrapment. Finally, it's not clear what good this really does. Putting people who had no real means of attacking the US in jail isn't likely to scare off anyone else.

It also makes you wonder if the FBI shouldn't be spending more time trying to stop actual plots that involve people who have the means to actually hurt people, rather than these plots which have exactly 0% chance of causing any harm.


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    Killer_Tofu (profile), Sep 30th, 2011 @ 8:11am

    Homegrown

    Homegrown terrorist plots brought to you by the FBI. Started right here in the US, by the US, and for the US.

    Sponsored by the Government Terrorist Foiling Organization (GTFO)

     

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    lucidrenegade (profile), Sep 30th, 2011 @ 8:30am

    Makes you wonder if the 9/11 "crackpot" conspiracy theorists were that far off after all.

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Sep 30th, 2011 @ 9:30am

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      If the "crackpot" conspiracy theorists" were right then they would not be "crackpot" conspiracy theorists" but they would be right.

       

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        Some Other Guy (profile), Sep 30th, 2011 @ 1:13pm

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        You can be right and still be a crackpot.

        Not that I am suggesting that any particular conspiracy theory is right or commenting on the crackpot status of any particular people.

         

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      The Groove Tiger (profile), Sep 30th, 2011 @ 11:04am

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      It makes sense, after all, the terrorists didn't notice their knives were made of plastic until it was late.

      The FBI didn't count on them being successful tho.

       

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    jupiterkansas (profile), Sep 30th, 2011 @ 8:35am

    Maybe there just aren't enough terrorist plots in the U.S. to justify their bloated budget or our foreign wars?

    At least this generates press, keeps the public in fear, and keeps sweet funding flowing. And they get to put potentially dangerous Muslims in jail - Americans won't complain about that.

     

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      MrWilson, Sep 30th, 2011 @ 9:43am

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      "Americans won't complain about that."

      Except maybe the Muslim Americans who are being targeted by the FBI...

       

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        PaulT (profile), Oct 1st, 2011 @ 4:14am

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        A lot of people do seem to have the habit of forgetting that Muslim is neither a race nor a nationality. Yet, we seem to try to expect them to realise that it's not a terrorist creed either...

         

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    pixelpusher220 (profile), Sep 30th, 2011 @ 8:36am

    What I've read...

    is that this kid had posted anti-US stuff on websites. He indicated he wanted to attack the US and kill Americans.

    That's at least a 'small' step towards actually doing something rather than Mike's description of being target simply because he was young and Muslim.

    I agree the FBI and the press wildly inflate their successes, but there is a grain of truth here that shouldn't be dismissed me thinks.

     

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      WysiWyg (profile), Sep 30th, 2011 @ 8:42am

      Re: What I've read...

      Which means that they could have kept an eye on him for a while, you know in case some real terrorists make contact.

       

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      HothMonster, Sep 30th, 2011 @ 8:47am

      Re: What I've read...

      well we all know people do everything that they say they are going to do on the internet.

      I mean sure he didnt have a target, weapons, knowledge to make weapons, money to buy weapons, or any criminal contacts but he said he hated the government and wanted to kill all the bastards in power on the internet. So obviously he was a real threat.

      Now if you excuse me I have to go fuck a gaggle of supermodels on a pile of money before i jump my lambo over the grand canyon

       

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      Pseudonym, Sep 30th, 2011 @ 5:54pm

      Re: What I've read...

      Even if you're right, it's irrelevant. If a young disaffected urban kid posts anti-police stuff on a web site, no sane person would ever consider setting up a fake gang for the kid to join, giving him weapons and encouraging him to commit some crime, then arresting him right before the crime occurs.

      It's almost an axiom of modern policing that we're supposed to steer people away from crime. For a modern police force to deliberately steer vulnerable kids towards a life of crime... I have no words for how much this disgusts me.

       

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      Rabo, Oct 7th, 2011 @ 11:21am

      Re: What I've read...

      "is that this kid had posted anti-US stuff on websites. He indicated he wanted to attack the US and kill Americans."

      Those are actually constitutionally-protected activities.

       

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        nasch (profile), Oct 7th, 2011 @ 5:29pm

        Re: Re: What I've read...

        "is that this kid had posted anti-US stuff on websites. He indicated he wanted to attack the US and kill Americans."

        Those are actually constitutionally-protected activities.


        Maybe, it depends what exactly he said. It's possible he could run afoul of the Smith Act, which prohibits advocating the overthrow of the US government by force or violence.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_Act

        Though it hasn't been repealed or fully overturned, it also hasn't been used in decades.

         

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    Anonymous Coward, Sep 30th, 2011 @ 8:36am

    It's easier to fish in a bucket than the ocean...

    'Homegrown' terrorist results guaranteed by the FBI, I'm sure there is a quota or minimum that they have to catch to keep funding or make it look like they are doing something useful (other than wasting taxpayer's money).

    Since it's easier to fish in a bucket (especially one they create), I'm not surprised that they continue this charade.

    There is probably a money trail (that we can't see) as well leading from some of the larger 'non-military' enforcement agencies back to the FBI as long as they keep ratcheting up the perceived need for security at home(ie. military contractors that we pay to do most of the 'real' military work these days).

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Sep 30th, 2011 @ 3:20pm

      Re: It's easier to fish in a bucket than the ocean...

      "It's easier to fish in a bucket than the ocean..."

      It's called terrorist farming. If you can't catch terrorists in the while, farm your own.

       

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    HothMonster, Sep 30th, 2011 @ 8:37am

    4 times while trying to read this story that stupid braun add popped up and took over my screen. 4 times mike, not cool.

     

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      out_of_the_blue, Sep 30th, 2011 @ 9:19am

      Re: "stupid braun ad" -- Get Noscript and use "hosts" file.

      HothMonster, Sep 30th, 2011 @ 8:37am
      4 times while trying to read this story that stupid braun add popped up and took over my screen. 4 times mike, not cool.

      I don't see a single ad nor even image here. Had to host out the latter after annoying image of some conference. Add them as Mike clutters up the site, as I did with bandcamp.com. -- Result is just text, and better arranged, like it.

      Mike doesn't object to this. Can't, logically. If everyone did this, cut off the 12 parasites that run javascript here and images too, I'm sure he'd fund the site out of good will.

      Way the net inevitably goes IS as Mike says: "free" content. It's entirely up to Mike to "monetize" the content. While the advertising income holds up, he's an "entrepreneur": when users demand content in their own way -- ad free -- he becomes a "dinosaur". See how that works? Mike is just enjoying the same old advertising supported system while the bubble lasts, but if ads here begin to annoy regulars, it's collapsing.

       

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        HothMonster, Sep 30th, 2011 @ 9:26am

        Re: Re: "stupid braun ad" -- Get Noscript and use "hosts" file.

        my home computer is mostly ad free, i dont really fuck with my work browser that much so im subjected to this shit, which normally doesnt bother me but some stupid video for razors keeps popping up, taking over my window and greying everything else out. Its even more annoying because it takes a good 20 seconds to load and the X doesnt show till its loaded so i just have to sit there and stare at a grey box that covers all the text until i can click it closed.

         

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          Anonymous Coward, Sep 30th, 2011 @ 9:42am

          Re: Re: Re: "stupid braun ad" -- Get Noscript and use "hosts" file.

          how in the world did you manage to find anything discernible in ootb's post to reply to is beyond me.

           

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            HothMonster, Sep 30th, 2011 @ 10:30am

            Re: Re: Re: Re: "stupid braun ad" -- Get Noscript and use "hosts" file.

            i worked with special needs populations for a few years so im used to it

             

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      Mike Masnick (profile), Sep 30th, 2011 @ 9:46am

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      4 times while trying to read this story that stupid braun add popped up and took over my screen. 4 times mike, not cool.

      I agree. Not cool. The ad definitely should not do that. Yes, it does expand, but it should only expand if you directly move your mouse over it and then there's a countdown to give you a chance to move the mouse away if you don't want the expand. I'll talk to our ad partners about this. It shouldn't behave the way you describe...

       

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        Robert Freetard, Sep 30th, 2011 @ 10:17am

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        I call pbcak, it dosen't do that to me.

        This is one of the very few sites I have whitelisted for adblock and noscript.

        Funny thing is my current razor's battery is all but dead and I actually looked at those at the store the other day, I need to go find a couple of actual reviews.


        (PS, it's "Problem Between Chair And Keyboard")

         

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          HothMonster, Sep 30th, 2011 @ 12:47pm

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          its pebcak

          problem exists between...

          try saying pbcak, now try pebcak see how that rolls off the tongue

          no reason to have an acronym to insult the computer illiterate right in front of them if you can't actually say it

           

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          ltlw0lf (profile), Sep 30th, 2011 @ 1:40pm

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          This is one of the very few sites I have whitelisted for adblock and noscript.

          +1. Mike has been very careful in the past...he is one of the few that have done so. I hate 99% of the websites out there because they allow their advertisers to pop-up, pop-under, and play ridiculous noises ("You've won!") I have whitelisted this site for adblock/noscript/noflash, because most of the ads here are stuff that I might use and I have yet to see any stupidity here that I've seen elsewhere.

           

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            Prisoner 201, Oct 1st, 2011 @ 10:36am

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            NoScript all the way. Anything that is not absolutely necessary to get the site working is blocked. On every site.

            I can trust Mike 150%, but that's no comfort when some of his ad partners might screw up and let a malicious ad through.

            Each script you allow is a potential attack surface.

             

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        HothMonster, Sep 30th, 2011 @ 10:29am

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        im definitely not mousing over it because my window is shrunk down to not show the ad/top stories frame

         

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          Mike Masnick (profile), Sep 30th, 2011 @ 12:31pm

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          im definitely not mousing over it because my window is shrunk down to not show the ad/top stories frame

          Ok. Talking it over with our ad partner, and looking to see if we can replicate and also ways to make sure this kind of thing doesn't happen accidentally.

          Can you say what browser you're using? That might be helpful as well.

           

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            HothMonster, Sep 30th, 2011 @ 12:41pm

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            firefox 3.6.13

            hasnt happened again since i complained, just the 4 pop ups on this story and it popped up once before that on the main page

             

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    Anonymous Coward, Sep 30th, 2011 @ 8:46am

    Hate to say it, but if I wanted to "Kill Amearicans!" and go jihad on people, I would calmly walk into a collage chemistry department and ask to be trained in chemistry.

    In a few years I would have all the skills needed to blow stuff up and do it in such a way that no FBI dude would ever know I was going to do it. In fact I would keep my hate of Americans secret and pretend to be an american loving, red meat eating local boy.

    Sting operations like this only show people how to dodge the FBI. That and watching Burn Notice.

    Please note: I am not trying to blow anything up!!

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Sep 30th, 2011 @ 9:05am

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      THIS GUY IS A TERRORIST! HE ADMITTED IT!

      QUICK, SOMEONE CALL THE F.B.I

       

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      MrWilson, Sep 30th, 2011 @ 9:52am

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      The stupidest thing that this FBI tactic does is reveal how they contact suspects and pretend to help. Now real terrorist cells will learn to work more independently in order to not have the possibility of getting infiltrated by the FBI. They won't trust anyone they don't know. The FBI is playing pretend terrorist cell and revealing their hand. This makes the US far more insecure than some kid with no means and pent up rage.

       

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        Jay (profile), Sep 30th, 2011 @ 11:40am

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        It never was a secure position in the first place.

        The main thing terrorists want is the US spending time on taking away American freedoms and showing the hypocrisy of the American government.

        It worked perfectly.

         

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        The Groove Tiger (profile), Sep 30th, 2011 @ 5:42pm

        Re: Re:

        Maybe they didn't do it on purpose. Like that episode of Get Smart, where Agent 86 pretended to go rogue to infiltrate a secret organization that was plotting some kind of dastardly plot.

        After everyone in the organization nearly killing each other, they find out it was entirely composed of CIA, FBI, IRS agents that had infiltrated it.

         

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    T, Sep 30th, 2011 @ 8:57am

    Disgraceful

    I want to know how much they egged them on. If they did the prompting - of course we will not hear that side of it. If the foolish person who said they wanted to attack believed that the person they were listening was a trustworthy source then it says more about the ability of human relationships to leverage someone towards a despicable act then it does about the person who had no intention at the beginning...

    Justice will be served. Maybe not now, but it will be dispensed and those, be they Muslim or not, we rue the day they were unjust.

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Sep 30th, 2011 @ 11:43am

      Re: Disgraceful

      Ya know, I thought the same thing when I was reading about it on the news sites. I hadn't actually voiced my concern, so I'm glad someone did.

       

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    anonymous, Sep 30th, 2011 @ 9:08am

    and the papers dont print the real story, once they have it, because???? are they scared of the FBI, ordered not to by the FBI or are they just scared of making themselves look like what they are, complete prats for printing a load of crap in the first place!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Sep 30th, 2011 @ 9:16am

    All this pre-invented plot pushing tells me is that the FBI is uniquely prepared to commit terrorist acts on American soil.

    They might want to rethink their PR.

     

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    fogbugzd (profile), Sep 30th, 2011 @ 9:21am

    >>because it's not like the FBI would supply the actual weapons.

    Of course they wouldn't do that. They would not want to step on ATF's turf.

     

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      Nick, Sep 30th, 2011 @ 9:34am

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      I wondered why, when I first read this story, the FBI seemed to constantly assure us that there was no danger of FBI equipment and supplies being used in this plot if it ever went through.

      As for entrapment, I wonder if the FBI is bored of waiting for actual plots (of which either there are such scarce few, or the government is NOT taking credit for keeping us alive by hiding hundreds of them) that they decide to make up some to stop. If they got time to do this, maybe we're NOT in constant danger of being blown up by the guys who "hate us for our freedoms."

       

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      Joe Publius (profile), Sep 30th, 2011 @ 9:50am

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      Anyone up for a little Operation Fast and Furious?

      I think we should demand a new agency with sweeping security powers to protect us from the agencies that continually endanger and sometimes even hurt and kill US citzens with their operations.

      As I have read before on this very site by an AC, "If it saves even one life..."

       

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    Anonymous Coward, Sep 30th, 2011 @ 9:24am

    Mike has become a LOLcat

    people was at risk? FBI can haz terrorist!

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Sep 30th, 2011 @ 5:48pm

      Re: Mike has become a LOLcat

      "...legally binding the US to a trade agreement without no congressional authorization..."


      It's the TD theme of the day!

       

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    TheStupidOne, Sep 30th, 2011 @ 9:33am

    The Office of the Director of the FBI

    Sir, We've been going after success stories in dealing with terrorism because it gives us more money and power. But Agent Smith just realized something. Our most dramatic increase in power and funding came just after the 9/11 terrorist attacks. So what if next time we build a homegrown terrorist plot, why don't we let it succeed? We have access to the CDC and can get some disease that we could release in NYC. The best course of action would be to select one that we can rapidly distribute vaccinations for. I've already spoken to my contacts in big pharma and they can be ready to push smallpox vaccinations to the entire country in a matter of weeks, days if we give them advance notice so they can get ready. Just give me the go ahead and I'll make sure it can't ever be traced back to us.

     

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    Someantimalwareguy (profile), Sep 30th, 2011 @ 9:38am

    Exploiting the mentally ill

    All this is is exploiting someone with an obvious mental instability to perform an act he/she was predisposed to commit given resources and some backing. I see nothing different with this person's ranting on the internet with any other paranoid, anti-social rantings of a disturbed mind.

    Once identified, that person should have been simply watched and perhaps even taken in for using hate speech. At the very least, examined by mental health professional that might have been able to help him rather than encourage him to more violent action...

     

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    John Doe, Sep 30th, 2011 @ 9:40am

    You are confused

    But in the US, I thought we didn't believe in arresting people for crimes that they're pre-disposed to doing if they haven't actually done them.

    We have busted people with drugs for years and charging them with the intent to distribute even though they weren't actually caught distributing. This country is a police state now and there doesn't appear to be any way of going back. All the government has to do is scare the sheeple and they roll over and let the government have its way with them.

     

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      Ninja (profile), Oct 3rd, 2011 @ 10:47am

      Re: You are confused

      That. Which takes us to the usual theories that 9/11 was actually sponsored by the US Govt and then used as an excuse to 1- burn the US Constitution to ashes and 2- start a few wars that made a few pockets burst with money (don't forget, after the war is 'over' you can always earn more money with consultants for rebuilding).

      Sweet. I sometimes pity the Americans.

       

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    Havoc (profile), Sep 30th, 2011 @ 9:46am

    'Pre-disposed', the same argument used when 'potential' child molesters/sexual predators are rounded up in stings that result in life sentences for a crime never committed against a minor who never existed.
    This current mindset in the courts, whether it's terrorism or predation, ought to scare the hell out of everyone.

     

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    Greevar (profile), Sep 30th, 2011 @ 9:56am

    Hmmm...

    Is this what is meant by the phrase "manufacturing consent"?

    They manufacture a terrorist threat, which they use to justify giving them consent to a whole lot of unconstitutional things.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Sep 30th, 2011 @ 10:09am

    It also makes you wonder if the FBI shouldn't be spending more time trying to stop actual plots that involve people who have the means to actually hurt people, rather than these plots which have exactly 0% chance of causing any harm.

    Not really, the only real people trying to hurt us are now mostly dead since we've spent the last 10 years killing everyone that challenged us on their own turf, and the other element is lone nutjobs with their half-baked plots that get thwarted by normal citizens using common sense.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Sep 30th, 2011 @ 10:24am

    While there certainly are homegrown terrorists, they aren't like the kinds of people the FBI is catching and labeling homegrown terrorists.

    The real term for it is 'Domestic Terrorism', and it's most often done by highly political people (they don't have to be a politician, just a radical in their political beliefs). Domestic terrorists most often go after people/groups they view as part of their political opposition who they view as destroying America and/or causing great evil.

    For example, remember that guy who shot an abortion doctor in a church? That's domestic terrorism, using fear and murder to try to scare other Americans out of doing/getting abortions.

    Then there was the guy who shot that congress woman Gabriele Giffords.

    There was also a gunman who tried to shot up some economic group in California (I forget it's name) because the shooter listened to Glenn Beck constantly rail about how evil the group was and how they wanted to bring communism to America (they didn't, they were just a liberal economic thinktank group).

    Domestic Terrorists tend to pop up when a group feels totally shut out of power, which often occurs when one party controls both houses of congress and the white house. It happens with supporters of both political parties. Though I only named conservative domestic terrorists from the last few years (since they're recent) there's been a bunch of liberal ones over the decades to, the most famous ones being anti-war people in the Vietnam era.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Sep 30th, 2011 @ 10:57am

    i harbor animosity for the US government. Come arrest me.

     

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      Also dissenting citizen (not law enforcment), Sep 30th, 2011 @ 11:05am

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      hi sir, i dont work for the FBI, would you like some explosives and this powerpoint about blowing up train-stations? jihad!

       

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    Bill M., Sep 30th, 2011 @ 11:08am

    Well....

    At least SOMETHING is still made in the US.

     

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    marlin, Sep 30th, 2011 @ 11:39am

    prove it

    No links? No sources? These are pretty bold accusations you're making with literally zero evidence to back it up. Not even an attempt. Stop spreading this conspiracy theory crap unless you plan on backing it up.

     

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      Anonymous Coward, Sep 30th, 2011 @ 11:45am

      Re: prove it

      no u

       

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      Mike Masnick (profile), Sep 30th, 2011 @ 12:33pm

      Re: prove it

      No links? No sources?

      Are you reading the post? There are both links and sources.

       

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      Anonymous Coward, Sep 30th, 2011 @ 12:39pm

      Re: prove it

      he linked to a bunch of stories in which a terrorist ring was foiled, only of course there was only one person in the ring that wasn't an FBI agent. This keeps happening, a person who is vocal about there dissatisfaction in the way the US is run and probably mentally unstable is approached by the FBI who then assist him in planning and preparing for a terrorist attack and then arrest him as he is about to go through with the plan the FBI developed and funded. If you think that is a real win for law enforcement than good for you.

      Though some of us think that there are more credible threats the FBI should probably be looking into rather than staging and busting there own attacks. Not to mention a better way to handle the individual, either by helping him or monitoring him until he becomes a real threat. This is dancing a fine line with entrapment, would this guy have ever had access to the explosives the FBI was "going to" provide him? Would he have ever found people to back him? Would have have ever even tried to find a backer and supplier if the FBI hadn't approached him? How much did the FBI encourage him to do this? Did he have doubts they talked him out of? Did they convince him this would be a good thing to do? Personally I think these questions should be looked into which is why I am upset that the press is uniformly calling this a win for law enforcement.

       

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    gorehound (profile), Sep 30th, 2011 @ 12:01pm

    FBI = FAT BELLIED IGNORAMUS

     

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    FM Hilton, Sep 30th, 2011 @ 12:09pm

    It's not the first time, nor the last

    The FBI has done this countless times in the past 10 years-but before that, they were actively enabling Whitey Bulger avoid arrest and one agent actually became a partner in crime to Bulger.
    That enabled Bulger to avoid arrest for over 20 years. It took a private citizen to get him caught. The FBI claimed they didn't know where he was.
    The point is that the FBI likes to create cases they can 'solve' easily without a whole heck of a lot of work or money.
    "Homegrown terrorists" fit the bill. Helping them create a case to prosecute is even more fun.
    It sure looks like they don't have enough to do. Perhaps we should look into their funding next time their budget comes up for review.

     

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    weneedhelp (profile), Sep 30th, 2011 @ 12:40pm

    Patsies and homgrown terrorism

    Patsies and homgrown terrorism brought to you by the FBI, and Al-CIA-da. Old news to us conspiracy theorists.

     

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    Tim, Sep 30th, 2011 @ 12:53pm

    Not the first time

    Does everyone forget that '93 WTC bombing was planned and carried out by "terrorists" under the direction of the FBI? And the FBI is the group that /gave them the explosives!?/ That the only reason it wasn't successful is because the "terrorists" didn't park where the FBI told them to?

     

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    Jaded, Sep 30th, 2011 @ 1:28pm

    John P O'Neil

    John P O'neil second in command at the FBI spent years hunting down Osama.

    Shortly before 911 He left the FBI through frustration at His requests to take Osama down being scotched from above.

    He then gets a job in the twin towers and dies on his 1st day due to a plane hitting them.

    He was the one FBI Guy that could have told the story of how those above wanted Osama to start the war of civilisations and would practically let Him go free until that fateful day in 2001.

    They got their wars and diverted attention away from the coming financial disaster.

    Now those terrorism laws can be used to stop protest and GOD help anyone who thinks that their own government wants to keep them safe... they'll kill You as soon as look at You.

    Wake up people time is short....

     

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    Anon, Sep 30th, 2011 @ 1:36pm

    The DEA does the same thing to catch "drug producers". I know someone who's in jail because the DEA convinced him to buy fake precursors and promised to teach him how to make a schedule one drug. As soon as the DEA sold him the fake chemicals they busted him for felony trafficing. There were never any real real drugs involved, there were no real precursors involved, and no one involved had any idea how to carry out the chemical procedures. If they DEA had never contacted him with promises of chemistry lessons and big profits he would have never even thought about drug production.

    If you ever find youself alone with a federal drug attorney they'll be able to tell you dozens of stories just like this one. They don't necessarily want the law changed though because everyone the DEA busts brings in $50K for the lawyers.

     

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    Jaded, Sep 30th, 2011 @ 1:49pm

    John P O'Neil

    Look up that name and you'll find some interesting details which demand further reading....

     

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    ECA (profile), Sep 30th, 2011 @ 2:50pm

    A question

    If this person was on his own...
    HOW much would it cost him to set this up on his own?
    WHAT would it TAKE to setup and plan? WITHOUT help from the FBI!

    There are so many regulations and controls setup on ANYTHING that could be used to EXPLODE, its getting hard to even find rocket motors for sci class..
    Next thing you know, they will regulate Vinegar and Soda, Because it can put an eye out.

     

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    F-, Oct 2nd, 2011 @ 8:26pm

    Sad

    Hard to believe Americans are letting this happen.
    I guess some people just like to be submissive.

    Seriously people? What the hell are you waiting for? You want them to get the right to shoot you if you're acting in a strange way? Because that's what will happen if you let your government take away your rights any longer! Act now!

     

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      nasch (profile), Oct 2nd, 2011 @ 8:38pm

      Re: Sad

      Hard to believe Americans are letting this happen.
      I guess some people just like to be submissive.


      You're right! I'll make the FBI stop doing this right away. Thanks for the suggestion.

       

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    Ninja (profile), Oct 3rd, 2011 @ 10:35am

    Next, MAFIAA style:

    Homegrown terrorists are killing Americans.

    I know, bad joke but that's the first thing that came to mind..

     

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