While Mike has been singing the praises of Nina and her crazy experiences with the soundtrack to "Sita" for awhile now, I've only recently indulged myself in her work. What a fool I've been for waiting.
Nina (er, Ms. Paley?), great stuff! I've also managed to make a few more fans for you. I want a Mimi and Eunice t-shirt!
A+ seconded. I recently started re-watching M*A*S*H from the first episode, sans laugh-track (which makes it so much better) and it still holds up today as an amazing show
"Without love, what are we worth? Eighty-nine cents. Eighty-nine cents worth of chemicals walking around lonely." - Hawkeye Pierce
It's an amusing cartoon, if it was true. But really, fair use has continued to be expanded since it's legal creation, not contracted. Nobody is shooting holes in it, rather it is being claimed as a defence for everything under the sun, and failing in many of them. That doesn't mean fair use is failing, just the people who try to use it to cover questionable activities.
Once again, Nina preaches to the choir. A few giggle, anyone with a brain dismisses it for the propaganda it really is.
" But really, fair use has continued to be expanded since it's legal creation, not contracted."
aaaaaaand no citation. Not suprised.
"Nobody is shooting holes in it, rather it is being claimed as a defence for everything under the sun, and failing in many of them."
Interesting that you don't address whether or not those defenses could be accurate and fair defenses... just that they're losing. And you also don't go out to state that the defenses are being denied on correct and fair interpretation of Fair Use... after all, we've seen over the last few months that many judicial entities are interpreting the law in what could be considered 'questionable ways'. Without citations to back up your claims, I’m going to hang my hat on this side of the pole. It’s just as reasonable as yours.
So, is Nina trying to say that Fair Use is bleeding on the floor? Maybe, maybe not. Is it clear, to those of us who feel that Fair Use is being shot down out-of-hand, that it is not as formidable a protection as it once was (and should be)? Apparently.
"Once again, Nina preaches to the choir. A few giggle, anyone with a brain dismisses it for the propaganda it really is."
ZZZZZZOMG! You mean Nina drew a political cartoon which expresses her opinion and posted it on her website which is probably viewed by those who share that opinion!?!?111!?!?!??!11111one!!2
Nina! You evil, dastardly, devious, subversive mind! Propaganda?! Sounds like something the NAZIS would use!!!! YOU MUST BE CHANNELING SCHWEITZER!!!!!!!!one!!!o!!!n!!!e!!!
crap. broke the exlaimation button on my keyboard. Well, AC, I hope I successfully illustrated how foolish that last part of your opinion [sic] was.
Oh Gabriel, why would a citation be needed? Since the creation of fair use, there has been plenty of well documented and well discussed expansion of it. One only has to look at the results of the VHS taping debate to know that. We also all know that things like time shifting television through digital methods has been allowed, extending fair use rights.
As for Nina's cartoon, I disagree with the opinion, I find it to be without merit, and mostly the whining of someone still pissed off because she can't make a living on the back of other people's work.
Perhaps you would like to stick to debating the concepts rather than going for mocking. It makes you sound like an idiot.
"Oh Gabriel, why would a citation be needed? Since the creation of fair use, there has been plenty of well documented and well discussed expansion of it."
When you say things like 'well documented' and 'well discussed' without citations, people (rightfully) think you're pulling things out of your ass. And if it is so 'well documented', leaving out the citations is lazy at best... dishonest at worst.
"One only has to look at the results of the VHS taping debate to know that."
You and I have a different opinion of "know" and "expand". I look at the VHS (and other such situations) as the spirit of Fair Use being applied to new technology that has never been addressed before. Since the spirit has not been changed, I wouldn't call that 'expansion' in the same tone you use.
" As for Nina's cartoon, I disagree with the opinion, I find it to be without merit, and mostly the whining of someone still pissed off because she can't make a living on the back of other people's work."
and your opinion has been noted and filed under "troll".
"Perhaps you would like to stick to debating the concepts rather than going for mocking. It makes you sound like an idiot."
Of what concepts would you be speaking? the only 'concept' (read: opinion) you brought forward that wasn't lacking in needed citation was that this cartoon is propoganda. Sorry, but I fail to see how that concept is worthy of anything but mockery... much less debate.
I promise you... of the two of us, I'm not the one in danger of looking the fool.
You really shouldn't be surprised if you get a cold reception for your posts. You still fail to provide anything other than your opinion, which you are quite welcome to, but if you fail to provide citations to support it, it is only an opinion.
Are you one of those that decry people going to sites that support your opinion and stating our own? I know there are many that come here and do just that.
Hey... that would be a CWF+RtB. Look! Nina can monetize something she does for free without charging a pay wall for her site, or controlling the distribution, or suing the shit out of people! Neat!
Christopher Best: He was a disturbed individual, and a disgruntled software developer. There's explicit tax law that treats software developers very unfairly if they try to work as independent contractors... yaga: that's very true CB Alana: AJ Seriously just compared arguments against copyright infringment to rape. ... Yeah, nobody should take him seriously at this point. err, against copyright* silverscarcat: seriously? Jay: Glenn Beck asking for a 9/12 movement isn't the least bit suspicious? Along with all of the other issues with the IRS right now? Ninja: I am honestly amused that the community is marking the comments of that "horse" guy as funny silverscarcat: Who takes Glenn Beck seriously? Jeff: did the 'new' comment color bars go away? dennis deems: ya I hadn't noticed until you said that. I don't recall seeing them the last couple days. Mike Masnick: new color bars ran into some big technical problems. :) we took them down while we fix them. fix is currently going through testing and should be back (and better than before) soon. dennis deems: yay! the color bars rule! Jeff: whew! Thought I was going... wait for it... "Color Blind" thanks! I'll be here all day... :-) Jay: @ssc I'm talking more in 2011 at the peak of TP hysteria TheResidentSkeptic: @mike - mod for your business model - CwF+RtB+DoP..too many miss the "Deliver On Promises" silverscarcat: Piracy will destroy software! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlniehU08ks Back in 1985
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"Ya'll done used my IP... now ya'll goan do right by 'er, y'hear?" Click-Clack.
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The one showing Mimi going to the underground and joining the rebels alliance.
People take away all the legal options people have, sooner or later they will join the "other side" of the debate.
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IT'S INSANE.
But, just like poor Klinger, it's not insane enough.
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Nina scores again...
Nina (er, Ms. Paley?), great stuff! I've also managed to make a few more fans for you. I want a Mimi and Eunice t-shirt!
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"Without love, what are we worth? Eighty-nine cents. Eighty-nine cents worth of chemicals walking around lonely." - Hawkeye Pierce
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So A+ not "seconded". Instead I move that this reference also be graded A+ :)
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Once again, Nina preaches to the choir. A few giggle, anyone with a brain dismisses it for the propaganda it really is.
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Interesting that you don't address whether or not those defenses could be accurate and fair defenses... just that they're losing. And you also don't go out to state that the defenses are being denied on correct and fair interpretation of Fair Use... after all, we've seen over the last few months that many judicial entities are interpreting the law in what could be considered 'questionable ways'. Without citations to back up your claims, I’m going to hang my hat on this side of the pole. It’s just as reasonable as yours.
So, is Nina trying to say that Fair Use is bleeding on the floor? Maybe, maybe not. Is it clear, to those of us who feel that Fair Use is being shot down out-of-hand, that it is not as formidable a protection as it once was (and should be)? Apparently.
ZZZZZZOMG! You mean Nina drew a political cartoon which expresses her opinion and posted it on her website which is probably viewed by those who share that opinion!?!?111!?!?!??!11111one!!2
Nina! You evil, dastardly, devious, subversive mind! Propaganda?! Sounds like something the NAZIS would use!!!! YOU MUST BE CHANNELING SCHWEITZER!!!!!!!!one!!!o!!!n!!!e!!!
crap. broke the exlaimation button on my keyboard. Well, AC, I hope I successfully illustrated how foolish that last part of your opinion [sic] was.
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As for Nina's cartoon, I disagree with the opinion, I find it to be without merit, and mostly the whining of someone still pissed off because she can't make a living on the back of other people's work.
Perhaps you would like to stick to debating the concepts rather than going for mocking. It makes you sound like an idiot.
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Gotta love Toledo for /something/.
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You and I have a different opinion of "know" and "expand". I look at the VHS (and other such situations) as the spirit of Fair Use being applied to new technology that has never been addressed before. Since the spirit has not been changed, I wouldn't call that 'expansion' in the same tone you use.
and your opinion has been noted and filed under "troll".
Of what concepts would you be speaking? the only 'concept' (read: opinion) you brought forward that wasn't lacking in needed citation was that this cartoon is propoganda. Sorry, but I fail to see how that concept is worthy of anything but mockery... much less debate.
I promise you... of the two of us, I'm not the one in danger of looking the fool.
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Are you one of those that decry people going to sites that support your opinion and stating our own? I know there are many that come here and do just that.
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You look like quite an idiot. Promise.
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Me too!
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HERAPARA JAYDEEP
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School
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