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   xenomancer (profile), Jul 18th, 2011 @ 4:13am

   
   

   Clearly those indie labels deserve to be paid too. I mean think of the artists!

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   Forgotten Voter, Jul 18th, 2011 @ 4:20am

   
   

   Oh gee, it's not like the indie labels have/had any stake in the crux of the matter. I mean, what ever would the RIAA do, if they allowed every little indie/startup label to act exactly like they do? Where would the artists be?

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   Tribute to Dark Helmet

   

   cofiem (profile), Jul 18th, 2011 @ 4:32am

   
   

   So no matter what industry you might be in
   The solution when you cannot compete
   Is to sue or threaten or try to win
   However you can; thinking takes a seat.
   
   If competitors are showing you up
   and you are too lazy to innovate,
   stick your head in the sand, no way, nup,
   it's illegal, it's not fair, don't tell us we're too late.
   
   If piracy is killing you
   just start treating fans like crooks,
   It's what the lawyers say you must do!
   Spend money on lawsuits, hang them on hooks!
   
   Don't mind that there are ways to embrace
   this funny digital infinite supply
   ignore or dismiss case after case
   and stoop to FUD, lobbying and the occasional lie.
   
   Digital is not analog or physical
   What it allows cannot be constrained
   So much content - important and whimsical
   The trick is to innovate and see what can be gained.

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   Re: Think Of The Artists!

   

   Lawrence D'Oliveiro, Jul 18th, 2011 @ 4:34am

   
   

   Mmmmm ... artists ...

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   You're cloaking a defeat for your notions with focus on money.

   

   out_of_the_blue, Jul 18th, 2011 @ 5:11am

   
   

   The RIAA came out ahead on that lawsuit, didn't they? But in your prior piece, you shift the focus to where the money goes -- which is a good question, but totally ignores that your notions got shot down yet again in court.

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   Re: Tribute to Dark Helmet: Not only a Mutual Admiration Society,

   

   out_of_the_blue, Jul 18th, 2011 @ 5:20am

   
   

   but by fourteen year old girls with crushes on each other.

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   Re: You're cloaking a defeat for your notions with focus on money.

   

   azuravian (profile), Jul 18th, 2011 @ 5:52am

   
   

   Actually, this was a settlement, so nothing got shot down "in court". Limewire thought, rightly or wrongly, that it was easier to settle than fight.

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   Re: Re: You're cloaking a defeat for your notions with focus on money.

   

   Dark Helmet (profile), Jul 18th, 2011 @ 6:30am

   
   

   Which doesn't even touch on the question of how this is our "notions" getting shot down in court.
   
   Did all of us black out a few years back and buy Limewire?

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   Anonymous Coward, Jul 18th, 2011 @ 6:43am

   
   

   Why were the indies asked to stay out of the lawsuit?

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    Rabbit80, Jul 18th, 2011 @ 6:48am

    
    

    So the big labels could bleed Limewire dry then there would be no money left for the Indies?

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    Re: You're cloaking a defeat for your notions with focus on money.

    

    Chris Rhodes (profile), Jul 18th, 2011 @ 7:07am

    
    

    your notions got shot down yet again in court
    
    What notions?

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    Where is Limewire getting all this money?

    

    Chris Maresca (profile), Jul 18th, 2011 @ 7:37am

    
    

    That's what I don't understand... Was it such a profitable operation that there are hundreds of millions just laying around in the bank?

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 18th, 2011 @ 8:08am

    
    

    Well duh! ;) I thought maybe it was something more clever than that, but...sigh.
    
    From the article (which I've read and apparently cannot comprehend properly):
    
    "According to the complaint, Merlin [the firm representing indies] and its members originally agreed not to pursue legal action against LimeWire. Instead, the indie music community all owed the RIAA to pursue its own higher-profile case against LimeWire."
    
    Emphasis mine, but it seems fishy and/or slanted, that article, like they had any say in what the RIAA did or something. *snort*
    
    "After LimeWire agreed to pay $105 million to the majors, Merlin wanted a $105 million offer too."
    
    That just made me bark out a laugh.

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 18th, 2011 @ 8:10am

    
    

    Bolded word above should be 'allowed', not sure why it separated like that. I suspect operator error.

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    Re: Where is Limewire getting all this money?

    

    Huph, Jul 18th, 2011 @ 8:49am

    
    

    Limewire was owned and operated by Mark Gorton, who also owns a stock brokerage, a hedge fund, and a medical software company. Limewire was a very corporate operation. Gortan has a personal net worth of 10 million dollars, and I'm sure his companies are worth much much more. The 105 million dollar settlement is not much of a setback for him or his companies.

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    Re: Re: Re: You're cloaking a defeat for your notions with focus on money.

    

    Anonymous Coward, Jul 18th, 2011 @ 9:24am

    
    

    There was enough in the court rulings against Limewire that it is clear they didn't have a legal leg to stand on. Settling for an amount rather than having the court come to that decision is the only intelligent thing they did in the whole process.
    
    Limewire wouldn't be paying out anything if they thought their service was legal and above board and beyond reproach. You can draw your own conclusions from there.

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    Re: Re: Think Of The Artists!

    

    Jordan (profile), Jul 18th, 2011 @ 10:59am

    
    

    The "Law Artists"

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    Re: Re: Where is Limewire getting all this money?

    

    Chris Maresca (profile), Jul 18th, 2011 @ 1:27pm

    
    

    So did the courts pierce the corporate veil? I fail to see how the owner of the company could be held liable if the corporate structure was OK.
    
    And if his net worth is $10 million, how is he paying out 10x that?
    
    Very strange all around.
    
    Chris.

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    Re: Re: Re: Where is Limewire getting all this money?

    

    Chris Maresca (profile), Jul 18th, 2011 @ 1:32pm

    
    

    Never mind, looks like he was the sole director and owner. What an idiot.

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    Re: Re: Re: Re: You're cloaking a defeat for your notions with focus on money.

    

    HothMonster, Jul 18th, 2011 @ 2:27pm

    
    

    oh I agree they were going to lose, but i think the question is when did anyone here ever say limewire was legal? What notion was shot down? That a obvious, open, and massive infringement tool that is profited on by a corporation is going to get its ass sued off?
    
    What is the next piece of brilliance from captain ootb? That the industry hates thepiratebay?

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    cram, Jul 18th, 2011 @ 9:29pm

    
    

    Baidu Launches Landmark Licensed Music Service
    
    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/baidu-launches-landmark-licensed-music-service-12 5789699.html

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 18th, 2011 @ 9:30pm

    
    

    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/baidu-launches-landmark-licensed-music-service-125789699.htm l

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    Re: Re: Tribute to Dark Helmet: Not only a Mutual Admiration Society,

    

    Anonymous Coward, Jul 19th, 2011 @ 12:20am

    
    

    DNFTT

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