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More Fraud Investigations Over Recording Industry Execs; Swiss IFPI Boss Resigns

from the well,-look-at-that dept

Following the news of corruption charges in Spain over SGAE execs, comes the news that the head of the IFPI in Switzerland has been forced to resign over some sort of scheme to avoid paying taxes. The details are a bit convoluted, but, basically, it sounds like he was able to route some IFPI things through a separate company he ran, in order to get a more favorable tax position. The IFPI is trying to throw the guy under the bus, but the report suggests other IFPI honchos knew all about the scheme. I find it amusing, by the way, that our regular commenters, who (falsely) call me a criminal, haven't had anything to say about these music industry folks and their scams.


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    :Lobo Santo (profile), Jul 8th, 2011 @ 2:15pm

    It'd be nice

    It'd be awful nice if those few rare gems in the United States military-industrial complex who're still interested in justice started doing something like this to the MAFIAA.

     

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    Dirk Poot (profile), Jul 8th, 2011 @ 2:17pm

    Make that three...

    BUMA/Stemra of the Netherlands is in hot water as well.
    Dutch opposition party D66 requested an inquiry into the organisation, describing it as poorly managed and non-transparent. Losing 14Million of artists revenues didn't help things either.

    Translated WebWereld article: http://is.gd/8YXLhi

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 8th, 2011 @ 2:23pm

    It's simple Mike, on the one hand we have people in the "entertainment" businesses on the other hand we have pirates.
    Piracy sounds like it should cost the industry money, it's on e of those common sense things that everyone knows without having to think about it. Just like we know that the world can't be a globe(we'd fall off) so it must be flat and that stars aren't massive balls of flaming gas but tiny little pinpricks of light, it's just obvious, so piracy costs money.

    Sure the figures don't actually bear that out in any way whatsoever, but that doesn't stop it being common sense.

    Major labels, licensing organisations etc are what bring in money so why focus on minor hiccups with them, sometimes things go wrong and when they do those issues get addressed which is what's happening.
    Whatever, issues around those are complex and difficult to follow, what's easy to follow is that piracy is theft and piracy is increasing despite all the efforts made so far.
    Any idiot can grasp that point so they do.

     

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    Hephaestus (profile), Jul 8th, 2011 @ 2:31pm

    You know full well the only reason they come here, is to shout down dissenters to the party line, and to prevent any meaningful conversations. Where industry wrong doings are concerned they ignore it, in the hopes it will go away.

    All in all its pretty much politics as usual ...

    1) Get as many people (blogs, etc) as you can to praise what you are doing and disallow or censor comments.
    2) Shout down and disrupt any actual conversations.
    3) Ignore any negatives in your industry unless they gain popular traction.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 8th, 2011 @ 2:32pm

    Embezzling money is a minor hiccup eh? Why the audacity of the governments to think corruption could cause the artists they claim to represent to lose money. This from the paragons of virtue when presenting their 'we gotta do something cause piracy is stealing all our money'.

    Again it is shown that money is the root of all evil when it comes to morality. So how long till a friendly investigating committee comes to visit in the US?

    How much of the artist's money will it take to defend them?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 8th, 2011 @ 2:38pm

    Speaking as a musician...

    ...I'm FAR more worried about being ripped off by executives, agents, licensing organizations, venue owners, managers, and all the other middlemen than I am by fans.

    These recent disclosures simply reinforce what I've known for 40 years: anybody standing between musicians and music afficionados is there because they have their hand in someone's pocket.

     

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    HothMonster, Jul 8th, 2011 @ 2:42pm

    Hey these guys are fighting a WAR its a tough and stressful job any you know they DESERVE to MUWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH, damn thought I could get through that. Being a shill must be harder than I thought.

     

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    MrWilson, Jul 8th, 2011 @ 2:48pm

    Re:

    You must have missed the part in the shill job description that stated, "must have no sense of humor and a blind acceptance of cognitive dissonance to apply."

     

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    Atkray (profile), Jul 8th, 2011 @ 2:56pm

    Let me try

    I can't believe how blindly you all follow little mikee. These are simply allegations and until proven in a court these businessmen are innocent. It isn't like they stole music and we have a clear recored of their IP address to clearly identify them as criminals.


    It is just like you coolade drinkers to to try to equate slanderous allegations with stealing music and movies.

    Nice FUD.

     

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    Prisoner 201, Jul 8th, 2011 @ 3:01pm

    Re: Re:

    Don't forget the paradox absorbing crumples zones.

     

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    Ron Rezendes (profile), Jul 8th, 2011 @ 3:10pm

    Re: Let me try

    It isn't like they stole music and we have a clear recored of their IP address to clearly identify them as criminals.

    Of course not! They actually STOLE MONEY!! That is already clearly illegal just about everywhere in the civilized world. Now once the court finds them guilty they will get their day in court that they are always blathering on about!!

    Nice FUD, jackwagon!

     

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    Prisoner 201, Jul 8th, 2011 @ 3:12pm

    Re: Let me try

    This made me laugh out loud. Thankfully no beverages were involved.

    You have some impressive paradox crumple zones. You don't see the parallell when you are saying "These are simply allegations [...] until proven in a court" and the so called "graduated response" based on accusations NOT proven in a court.

    I'm still giggling. I owe you one.

    And even if in a hypothetical world IP addresses did "clearly identify" a person, shouldn't that be treated like any other evidence? That is, be used as part of a case in court?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 8th, 2011 @ 3:14pm

    I'm sure the RIAA is out looking for a new massive pirating ring to bring to justice in order to bury this sort of bad news. It's just unfortunate that it will likely be Mike's grandma that is the ring leader.

     

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    :Lobo Santo (profile), Jul 8th, 2011 @ 3:23pm

    Re: Quotes!

    Dear coward:

    If you're going to quote something, please at a minimum attempt to quote it correctly.

    The line is "The LOVE of money is the root of all evil."

    Thanx,
    teh interwebz

     

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    Marcus Carab (profile), Jul 8th, 2011 @ 3:27pm

    Re: Let me try

    ...your sarcasm was not lost on everyone, Atkray :)

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 8th, 2011 @ 3:55pm

    Breaking the law is legal, protesting the law is illegal.

    Next time, Mike, instead of protesting the law, simply break it instead. You'll get in a whole lot less trouble and you won't have false accusations thrown at you.

     

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    freak (profile), Jul 8th, 2011 @ 3:57pm

    Re: Let me try

    Excellent attempt!

    I looked at the subject, giggled, and then looked at the responses, and LOLed.

    I give you an A+ for effort, an A+ for execution, and bonus marks for callbacks to common arguments from Mike.

     

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    Ron Rezendes (profile), Jul 8th, 2011 @ 4:03pm

    Re: Re: Let me try

    Yep - caught me off guard for sure. My sarc meter must need adjusting! Oh who cares it's late on a Friday, libations for everyone! \_/...\_/...\_/...|_|...|_|...|_|...

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 8th, 2011 @ 4:07pm

    I find it amusing, by the way, that our regular commenters, who (falsely) call me a criminal, haven't had anything to say about these music industry folks and their scams.

    I've never called you a criminal. A coddler of criminals, yes. An apologist for piracy, yes. But in this particular case I believe that if these people violated the law, they should pay the price. Just like anyone else who takes something of value that they are not entitled to.

     

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    Marcus Carab (profile), Jul 8th, 2011 @ 4:18pm

    Re: Re: Re: Let me try

    Ah well, it can happen to anyone. Not long ago I think I went three rounds with someone who was pulling my chain, and didn't even realize until Mike pointed it out a day or two later :)

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 8th, 2011 @ 4:51pm

    Re:

    "Embezzling money is a minor hiccup eh?"

    There are two sets of laws, those that protect the rich and those that protect everyone else. Those that protect the rich carry steeper penalties.

     

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    Vukovar (profile), Jul 8th, 2011 @ 4:55pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Let me try

    Wow. What a weird world of absolutism you live in.

     

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    Marcus Carab (profile), Jul 8th, 2011 @ 5:07pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Let me try

    Er... I'm not sure I understand what you mean...

     

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    Prisoner 201, Jul 8th, 2011 @ 5:23pm

    Re: Re: Re: Let me try

    WTB: Sarcasmometer tuned to within 40 microironies.

    Totally blindsided. Well played Atkray.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 8th, 2011 @ 5:41pm

    Re:

    And what price should they pay? If a woman who downloaded $30 worth of songs has to pay $1.92 million, what do embezzlers who steal hundreds of thousands of dollars pay?

     

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    vukovar (profile), Jul 8th, 2011 @ 5:45pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Let me try

    My fault - directed at the AC comment "I've never called you a criminal...." Shouln't post and eat at the same time.

     

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    vukovar (profile), Jul 8th, 2011 @ 5:49pm

    Re: Re:

    Lawyers.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 8th, 2011 @ 5:50pm

    Well, in addition to a felony conviction, restitution, fines and job loss; I'd gather that rich, soft, former execs fare particularly poorly in a prison environment.

     

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    Marcus Carab (profile), Jul 8th, 2011 @ 6:40pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Let me try

    ah - heh, that makes more sense :)

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 8th, 2011 @ 7:37pm

    Re:

    A coddler of criminals? How about a promoter of simple reality. I make a living off of digital goods which used to be exclusively tied to little plastic disks which cost money, my business has it's own share of issues but it is "moving" with the times and changing where it makes it's income. Business's which don't adapt, die, fact of life.

    "criminal", "piracy", how do you define this? As has been repeated over and over, there is nothing but data replication on the internet. No one has lost anything except the "old guard" which made money off every replication because it was a physical item. If you remove the old guard and assume all free, artists still make the same or probably MORE than they did before. I feel absolutely no pitty for the recording industry, they need to go, the "MUSIC" industry (and most notably the artists who are actually making money instead of being in permanent debt) is doing just fine or even better than ever before.

    The movie industry is slightly different, don't know where free fits into their model but I think it probably involves making folks "WANT" to pay to see things. 3D is a start, unfortunately with the exception of Avatar and Transformers 3, it has been a complete waste of effort and actually ruined the new medium by pushing crap at audiences. On the other hand, how about making going to the theaters a nice night out again instead of the current hit and miss uncomfortable and potentially annoying (kids, cell phones, etc) experience.

    Mike doesn't coddle pirates or criminals, just points out the reasons no one wants to do the things we used to do because: one- we don't have to, two- everything is corporatized and "maximized for profit" which basically means against the comfort and enjoyment of the consumers.

    Things change, but that's what you argue against, so no reason explaining common sense to a hack yet again.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 8th, 2011 @ 7:56pm

    @AC

    So you don't see a problem with a website that takes the work of another to which it is unentitled and distributes for its own personal gain? Interesting moral perspective but also against the law (making it criminal). Masnick constantly raises specious free speech and due process smokescreens to make excuses for this sort of behavior. I have no idea why you feel entitled to get something for nothing or profit from the work of another. If you feel the price is too high, don't buy it. It's entertainment for Christ's sake.

     

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    Nicedoggy, Jul 8th, 2011 @ 11:22pm

    The nice thing about all this "war on piracy" crap is that it will bring greater accountability to an industry that had none before.

    Will it ever happen on the U.S.?

    How can music and movies sell billions and still make no profit?

     

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    The eejit (profile), Jul 9th, 2011 @ 12:40am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Let me try

    It'll cost you $100, and you'll get 14,000 free gold in the MMO of your choice. You just need to put your e-mail and password here...

     

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    The eejit (profile), Jul 9th, 2011 @ 12:41am

    Re:

    The bigger the cushion...

     

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    PaulT (profile), Jul 9th, 2011 @ 12:55am

    Re:

    "on the one hand we have people in the "entertainment" businesses on the other hand we have pirates."

    False dichotomies are a very bad debating technique and obvious ones like this make you look like an idiot. Just saying.

    "Major labels, licensing organisations etc are what bring in money so why focus on minor hiccups with them"

    Yeah, erosion of free speech, the hijack of Western culture, removal of due process and the assumption of guilt before innocence is fine as long a handful of corporations make some money.

    "Any idiot can grasp that point so they do."

    Then maybe you should start looking at the real reasons why rather than the half-assed assumptions the above are based on.

     

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    justsyin, Jul 9th, 2011 @ 5:05am

    Re:

    Please, do recalibrate your sarcasm detector :-)

     

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    abc gum, Jul 9th, 2011 @ 8:36am

    Re:

    4) ?????
    5) profit

     

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    abc gum, Jul 9th, 2011 @ 8:47am

    AC vs AC

    MAD mag - awesome comic

     

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    The eejit (profile), Jul 9th, 2011 @ 1:31pm

    Re:

    You mean like the IFPI?

     

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    Pixelation, Jul 10th, 2011 @ 8:33am

    Re: Re: Re:

    Politicians.

     

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    Jay (profile), Jul 10th, 2011 @ 10:55am

    Re:

    The best accountability?

    If the government would get out of the way of the economy.

    This is why copyright enforcement is the wrong path.

     

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    AJBarnes, Jul 11th, 2011 @ 4:56am

    Stop Tax Piracy NOW

    We need an organization for those who are Tax Pirates. Getting free gubment goods and services without paying for them makes this guy (and many of our represenatives and senators) PIRATES. How much revenue do we lose to the Tax Pirates? It's time to get the gubment to take over the tax system and stop this piracy NOW.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 11th, 2011 @ 1:39pm

    Re: Re:

    Their lawyers....

    BadaBing..BadaBoom....

    Thank you, Thank you, I'll be here all week....

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 11th, 2011 @ 1:42pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    Drat... beaten to the punch by Vukovar

    I'm sure I thought of it first, and since this isn't a first to tell society, I'll be expecting appropriate licensing fees for that one (or an honorable mention at the appropriate comedy roast).

     

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