Ahh Mike your niavety and constand attempts to clumsily apply ‘spin’ to everything you say, is a constant source of amuzement… thanks..

But really Mike, you need to be a little carefull putting two statements side by side (or one above the other) and then proudly claiming “he said just what I said”!

You might get some people actually READ what both your said and what summers’s said.
They will find that what summers said is diametrically opposed to what you are claiming he is stating!

And that is a problem for you, or it should be.

You are stating in your little snippet the following:

The music industry is failing because they are using old and outdated business models.

Correct me if I am wrong on that, you said:

“They’ve got it backwards, The problem is the business model”.

At least on that one point you and summer’s agree.

Now, Mike I am aware you like to keep things simplistic and shallow here, to cater to your target demographic, but lets dig a little deeper shall we? for those who might want to think for themselves for a refreshing change!

That is, they look at infringement as the problem, and business model problems as the symptoms.

What does that mean Mike, lets try to make things a bit clear, so enough of the double talk.

How does that statement make any logical sense at all?

Infringement HAS to be the symptom, the symptom is “what it is that is wrong, or causing the problem”.

If you are sneezing that is a sympton, and an indication that you might have a cold.

The problem is you have a cold, the symptom of that cold is you sneeze

Infringement is not the symptom, it is the problem, the busines model is still the business model, right or wrong it has nothing really to do with infringement, or little to do with it.

As the people who are willing to infringe are not working within that business model, so to say it is that business model’s fault is largely incorrect.

You CAN lay claim to business model faults if it affects those who are working within that model. But not those (infringers) who are willing to bypass the business model regardless of what it is.

Now, if you read what Rene Summer says:

He is saying that the tried and true, good old, what we’ve always normally had, business model is what we need

He is also saying that is not what the music industry presently is in Europe.

Tell me Mike or ANYONE !!! what is what with this business model:

availability of legal, timely, competitively priced and wide-ranging choices of affordable [incert — product or servies] offerings.

Now Mike, read that and tell me where you said that ?

The infringement is the symptom — showing that they haven’t yet adapted. If you look at the history of infringement, it’s the same thing every time: it’s always been a leading indicator of industry not adapting fast enough.

Adapting ?? to what ??

“the availability of legal, timely, competitively priced and wide-ranging choices of affordable ‘products/services’ offerings.”

Lets hope many (every) company ‘adapts’ that amazing, new and innovative business model !!

But Mike, YOU do not say that, you launch into a complex word game trying to confuse ‘symptom’ and ‘problem’ and somehow relate that to ‘business model’ with no real reference or logic applied.

All you said is “it’s the business model stupid”, then you say ‘see Rene Summer is “business model” too so I must be right.

Then for some unknown reason you decide to take us on a history lesson,, (or at least mention the word ‘history’ again with no reference to anything, or argument you are trying to support with your ‘historical’ tangent.

Why dont you should us some examples of an industry that is not continuously adapting to new and varied markets and economic structures ?

Everyone adapts, all business models evolve and adapt with changing markets and market conditions, changing economies, demand, supply etc.

Sure, they might not adapt in the exact way Mike thinks they should or that Mike would like to see, but to say therefore they are not adapting is wrong.

It’s just that they are, but Mike does not like the way they do it, and of course Mike knows best, So if Mikes does not agree with it, it just MUST be wrong, or they are not doing it in the first place.

when clearly, all industries including the music industry is adapting in many different ways.

Rene Summers can see that, and he is stating that how they are adapting is not the best way for them to go (in his opinion), but Mike you are in denial, you are saying “they dont adapt at all’.

Rene is saying, they should go back to their old ways and Mike is saying their old ways did not work, and neither does their new ways. (or that they are still applying the old ways).

So which is it ??

Mike is telling me they are not adapting, and Rene is telling me that are adapting but not the right way, and that they should go back to the old ways, “historically”.

Mike is saying that historically they have always had this problem, and Rene is saying that they would not have this problem if they went back to the old ways they used to historically do !!!.

That is:

availability of legal, timely, competitively priced and wide-ranging choices of affordable digital-content offerings.

Rene says:
“File-sharing is a symptom of a problem, rather than a problem in itself.”

Mike Says:
The problem is the business model. The infringement is the symptom

You see Mike Rene is saying “file-sharing is a symptom of a problem

And he is correct, file-sharing is a problem, it is clearly defined and known as a problem.

Just like sneezing is the symptom of a cold, or bank robbery is a symptom of poor security, or falling over is a symptom of running too fast.

They are all ‘problems’ but more importantly is the ’cause’ of the problem.

Here again Mike, it appears you shoot but totally miss any point or conclusion.

Mike what would you do when you encountered a symptom to a problem ? I would guess you would adapt to overcome that symptom.

If you got a cold and the symptom is a cough, you might go to bed and eat chicken soup.

If you fall over when you run too fast, you might not run that fast next time, you adapt and you change your habbits.

The way you adapt to different problems is rarly the same way someone else would adapt to those set of cercumstances, but you make the claim that if they do not adapt the way you want them too then they are not adapting at all.

Then somehow magically relate that to the business model, sure the business model might not be perfect, but it is changing and adapting, as Rene Summers clearly stated.

Rene states they ARE and HAVE adapted but not in the right way (they introducted ‘windowing and territoriality’) that is an ADAPTATION that Rene does not agree with, then he clearly states they should go back to the old tried and proven business model, or proving legal, timely, competative…….. product…

Is this the point where I whine about being ripped off? I’m trying to understand how that works…

Me too !!!!